What's The Deal With High Pivot Suspension? Your Questions Answered!

[@barkingmadman1169]

Haha! A lot of Eric and Yuka in front of the camera this week. Nice change of pace! I still watch despite lack of POV, Eric, so don't rush your healing process just to try and get video content. I'm healing from a clavicle break myself, so let's take the time to heal right. BTW, I noticed last time you seemed a little frustrated about the pace of healing. What is your age and do you think that is a factor in healing time? I am 54 and definitely healing more slowly than I used to.

[@YBMTB]

Well I don't even know what a normal full-suspension feels like sooooo 🤣

[@Dewoy1]

Rent a fully and have fun then.

[@greysenharrington7058]

Older downhill bikes like early 2000 bike are sold pretty cheap as well

[@YBMTB]

I have a nice hardtail, I'll upgrade one day but I'm doing fine for now :)

[@sniperdud3323]

I dont even know what suspension feels like on a bike

[@YBMTB]

@@sniperdud3323 i feel you bro, until like 3 weeks ago that was also me

[@ChefIan73]

Yeeewwww! I made it into the questions!! I’ve been drooling over a Druid frame in the Cosmic Eggplant to build up. Such an amazing looking bike and everyone who rides them just gushes over the performance.

[@MiataBeFaster]

Only reason why I've not got one was nowhere had stock so ended up with an offering

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

they gush just to self justify the price they paid for it for getting fooled by marketing youtubers. After all , it is a single pivot bike. How much of a gushing you think can someone give for it?

[@ChefIan73]

@@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ 🤣🤣

[@justhere4theoldskool]

I imagine with the high pivot it's more forgiving of casing as the wheel moves up and back rather than up and being forced forward.

[@sorinvladu7021]

Yeah

[@revystoked]

100%. It's very forgiving if you mess up.

[@lamefart]

Yeah and pedal feedback is virtually nonexistent..

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

not exactly. You see this suspension is an equivalent that in automotive industry is called trailing arm. A trailing arm doesn't care of up and forward or up and backwards in terms of suspension plushness and comfort. The only thing that matters, is where the main pivot is. If it is in the front of the wheel axle, then it absolutely does not make any difference if the wheel extends to the back or compresses to the front. Absolutely no difference in plushness what so ever. I see a mistake in the answers above. If the wheel travels up and backwards , the wheel is extending, there for pedal kickback is much more than it is with moving up and forward. This is because when the wheel extends, it pulls the chain with it, so pedal kickback happens. If it moves forward, closer to the chainring, it doesn't pull the chain with it, thus resulting in no pedal kickback. This old basic single pivot design bike we see in this video, is the proof of that. It needs an extra pulley to prevent pedal kickback because it is extending the wheel (up and backwards). And another thing. Pedal kickback only occurs to a stationary bike , so...only for expedition purposes as you realise, a moving bike doesn't suffer from this imaginery problem that marketing is trying to put down our throats by force.

[@aromaj8]

@@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ I would argue that pedal kickback isnt so much a thing as limiting the suspension action when you're standing on the pedals keeping them level.

[@corymcmanues7905]

Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions about high pivot. I know some of those where questions I had about the platform and how it would work.

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

it works exactly how it worked in the past. just like a single pivot ever worked.

[@downhilljedi]

I have been riding a type of high pivot bike for over 10 years . Canfield Jedi. I am surprised that it took so long for other companies to catch on.

[@alexreinhard982]

I gotta say, I've been growing to really enjoy your channel. Great video - keep it up, and hope you heal soon!

[@Tomidsch]

probably the simplest explanation of a high pivot system on a bike, thank you

[@kaydub4565]

Hope the wrist is healing up well. Great video by the way.

[@peoplesrepublicofchina8340]

Thank goodness you dropped sr as a sponsor . Every time you hit a bump the suspension would make lots of noise.

[@YBMTB]

lol yep, "Toogy Howser MTB" is still a sponser for them and his comment section is beautiful

[@buckroger6456]

Awesome video! We really do have so many great choices now a days that it can be a little tough when your picking out a new bike. The only downside I see so far with the high pivot system is with having to buy two chains, other then that the bike sounds like it rides really well.

[@davidlabelle1164]

Love you posted at the same time as Yuka did

[@danielsimpson7764]

ive had my eye on the druid for a while now, the problem is that i saw that prototype and dont want to buy a 130mm travel druid for them to then bring out a bigger one afterwards, so imma hold out until they eventually release the bigger travel. hopefully soon.

[@TylerOnF1re]

Yeah im to broke to afford one

[@James-dn1hu]

Yea check out Lewis Buchanan on KZbin he’s got some good videos riding a bigger travel version. No details on it yet though

[@danielsimpson7764]

@@James-dn1hu yeah I actually live in the same area as Lewis but haven't caught him on his big travel one yet

[@revystoked]

The new frame should be out in January [theoretically]. Slacker front end, ~155mm travel, designed around 170-180mm fork travel.

[@AntBanksssssssssssssss]

Same, almost pulled the trigger and seen the video of the prototype so I’m holding off.

[@KestrelYI]

Appreciate the review - hope you are healing up well!

[@danielchapman3875]

I've never seen anything like it and I want it now

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

really? you haven't seen a single pivot ever before?

[@funin2wheels]

First, LOVE your RAW videos... I am interest in Onix hubs. Are they as good are they say. I like the silent ride, listening to your tires roll over leaves, rocks, dirt... What do you think? One more thing, you and your wife should come to Puerto Rico and ride. 365 days of riding!!! Thanks for the amazing videos...

[@sherandorider9831]

Back in the early 90s Cannondale made a full suspension frame. It was called the EST (Elevated suspension Technology). It looked very much like this frame....

[@asselinpower]

I absolutely love my Druid, sickest bike👊🏻. Hope you re back on the trails soon!

[@mtbak8580]

Eric: talking about his 130mm travel Me:cries in 80mm travel

[@tilenkovacic8548]

I bought used bike 2017 gt sensor carbon expert with fox 34, 140 mm of travel and it was 1700€. I have it for like 1 year and it works perfectly. So i think you can save your money and buy used bike.

[@DylanDavidVindasLopez]

72mm of REAR travel on mine :C

[@adlar2005]

I have a hardtail, LMAOOO

[@oogilyboogily9595]

@@DylanDavidVindasLopez what bike?

[@DylanDavidVindasLopez]

@@oogilyboogily9595 its a Huffy Elite TR-S 940 from 2016

[@DW-dl7bk]

Great video Eric, I enjoy videos like this....very informative. Heal up!

[@micheandmikey]

Great video Eric! I actually contemplated getting a Druid after waiting 6 months in for my V2 Ripmo. I think they're beautiful bikes! 9.5 moths later I have my Ripmo, it was worth the wait! I would like to demo a Druid some day though. As for Nobl wheels.........oh yea, I love my Noble 36 with Chris King hubs, so glad I pulled the trigger on them even though my wife said "doesn't your new bike come with wheels???" Yes it does dear, don't worry about it. LOL - CHEERS!

[@ChefIan73]

Have you seen Lewis Buchanan’s channel? He’s racing on the Druid and is an absolute beast on it. He smashed Fort Williams at full race pace and it was nuts!

[@vincedavis5326]

Heal well!

[@rizahafas6563]

I had GT Force. It has mainly high pivot. It's great. It just has steep head angle for nowdays.

[@nathanvanderpool1175]

I must admit, I’m just now realizing I’ve never seen his face before as it’s always POV riding footage from his perspective

[@mysticbricks9162]

I saw a guy with a Druid at my local mtb park and I asked him if you had an influence on him getting that bike and he said that he watched some of your videos and made the decision to get it off of your experience

[@BCpov]

That's awesome, I hope he's enjoying it!

[@jeskeland]

Hey thanks for answering my question man!

[@BCpov]

Thanks for asking!

[@MrRichjdillon]

Cool, I feel the same way about my Santa Cruz 😃. Great video

[@mtbohana]

At 5:34 you can see where the rear triangle has rubbed against the front triangle. That isn't good.

[@waynephilbert]

Really keen eyes there. Well spotted. I'd be pissed at that happening on a frame. Indicates a fair amount of lateral play.

[@waynephilbert]

These look so interesting and well made however I notice these for sale on FB pages a lot recently. Given their respective rarity that's noteable and maybe they're not working for some people. I'd love to try one though.

[@fillfreakin2245]

Agreed. I'd have a tough time committing to such a radical bike change without a test ride. Hopefully once this COVID thing is over I'll head to Vancouver Island and see if I get demo one. Heck, even with more normal looking bikes I would want to demo one before dropping all that money on a new one.

[@Rose_Butterfly98]

Lol same on my new bike I can climb with the shock in descend mode. Well there's only pedal bob when I'm in a low gear , I think that's just because I'm bouncing around when my cadence is too high. Suspension geometry is really important. Both Polygon, 1 pedal bobs so much I lock it out on flat ground sometimes , I have to climb in 1st to 3rd gear. The other I can leave in descend mode and climb in 8th to 11th. Pedal bob is probably the biggest issue for me actually, because I use my bike for transportation as well.

[@mikeysbikeadventures]

Pretty rad design bike!! Even the color is sick🤩🤘🏻😃😃

[@nismokure]

I was so confused when I saw the release of the druid.

[@hutchisontj4]

In terms of the 2 chains you can use just 1 ebike chain. They are the same you just get 136 links instead of a 112 links on a standard chain.

[@hotrodstu77]

Do you have the vespers or onyx originals? Im currently building a druid over the winter and plan to run nobl wheels with onux hubs but nobl themselves kinda recommended going hydra over vesper as the vesper has been finnicky since it came out. I would prefer a quieter hub so hopefully you can shed some light on the vespers if you have them. Thanks! Love the vids!

[@PuffinPete]

Good information. Thank you 🙏

[@sam_camer0n]

The new norco looks sick

[@stepanfojticek2069]

when you shave you look so much like Tomáš Slavík, i was so confused when you walked into frame

[@xjuanx92]

Hi pivot bikes have been around since the 90's. Its not a new design. Brooklyn Machine Works and the off shoot Superco then Zeroed, and now Comencal and Norco DH versions . I would argue to say it was brought to attention by Nicholas Voulouz and his suspension preferences.

[@lornehoover8424]

I'm surprised that nobody is talking about the Balfa BB7

[@xjuanx92]

Oh yeah totally forgot about that bad boy as well!

[@andrewgreenwood8727]

Hi Eric, firstly how close are you to be able to getting out riding with Yuka again ! Great question & Answer vid ! I strongly think that the druid has a very big chance of being my next bike 👍🤙🚵🌲🌲🚵🌲🌲

[@derekmeyers1513]

Great video. Subbed.

[@johnnigro4536]

You should come over to Ontario and ride Blue Mountain, when your better of course

[@YBMTB]

Hopefully itll be open next year, that is a very gnarly place

[@gsquared1997]

Hey sweet vid! I love the druid design, and was curious how tall you are, what size frame you have, and what size dropper? Im in between a L and an XL and curious how you have yours set up!

[@geargirlstravelingadventure]

What kind of bike frame are you riding in this video and would you recommend this for a 5’4” long arms woman? And will the bike climb technical? I live in Northwest Arkansas Eureka Springs lotta technical uphill and then fun downhill

[@moparmtb360]

Still riding my 2007 Trek Session 10.

[@TeamWombatMTB]

As with the Commencal HP system more parts equals more problems. Work really well when new but very expensive when things go wrong, which they will.

[@danadebois9947]

I do definitely think you would like the higher travel bike that forbidden is making but I think you should get the higher travel bike next year and keep your bike your riding now for lighter trail rides

[@BGWordneemig]

Nice Monster! Maybe testing at Hungary? :)

[@crushermwp6921]

Hey I was wondering if you could do a video about the best mountain bike riding spots in British Columbia? Or maybe reply to this comment with your favorite spots?

[@fillfreakin2245]

I'd say Rossland and Squamish are probably top riding spots, unless you're a park junky.

[@crushermwp6921]

@@fillfreakin2245 thanks!

[@DominikDeluxe]

A rear travel curve like this is also possible with a 4-link design.

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

that is how good the single pivot was in the first place

[@SHREDD-ED]

Ive ridden the AOS from GT, which is a high-ish pivot....i think it overperforms. Nice choice of bike man!

[@onlinefuturity4381]

Where we can purchase. Interesting and curiosity.

[@Psyplus]

Can you bottom out the bottom bracket?

[@victoriathegreencheekconur5477]

I have a question How is the shifting cause the upper pulley angles the top part of the chain does it make shifting weird

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

it doesn't shift right. lots of grinding through the chain.

[@chasekivelson5289]

Love ur vids.

[@TheAwast2]

Hi can you run the bike without the ziggy link with 650b back and front ?

[@McNulty030]

thx for the video, now i know what´s the thing with high pivot. Could you speak up a bit more clearly for the next Q&A?

[@backyardmtb2812]

Hey Eric I was wondering what bike I should get.I want the Santa Cruz 5010 and then I also want the Forbidden Druid but Idk what one I should get

[@aidenmtb5784]

Druid all the way

[@backyardmtb2812]

@@aidenmtb5784 u should sub

[@enzoardovino7458]

Why do you have a fox shock paired with a RockShox fork?

[@Johnnydammit]

Surprised you guys didn't hook up with Norco for the Aurum HSP

[@Tequila628]

8:00 Thanks for spoiling next Yuka's video, LOL

[@motoboy6666]

What front fender is that?

[@chrispalmieri8525]

What hub do you use? Or where can I find it. I love the sound

[@cadenhinshaw9038]

Onyx vesper. It has no sound

[@victoriathegreencheekconur5477]

Does the idler pulley make bad chain line?

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

yes. makes the shifting sketchy, thats why they were dithed years ago.

[@zachswiger8009]

thanks for the info!

[@justinojalapeno]

Did you film this in Squamish up at diamond head?

[@SPRailfan4449]

When will you get back making that trail ???

[@mariateresadunay573]

What price? I'm From Philippines

[@BenNemec]

How does high pivot compare to other multi-pivot suspension designs? My understanding is that DW-Link is intended to have a similar wheel path to what you describe for high pivot.

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

it is a single pivot. compare any high single pivot with dw-link and you'll have your answer. there are a lot of bike out there with this old design.

[@karnigriffin3103]

Eric would it make the chain fall off more like when the thing to go with was 3by7

[@NathanBake]

Do your pants or leg ever catch the idler?

[@DylanDavidVindasLopez]

Is the suspension active during braking?

[@pepeanza6187]

So yes you need more things to worry about need 1 and half chain to replace the old one and one more chianring to clean and replace. For shure this bike don't pedal well on longer climbs much more friction because more chain and one more chainring, the thing that make me ask why any big brand do this concept?

[@troyphillips1077]

High Pivot is just a high single pivot so basically a simple design . Longer chain and an extra cog so an extra set of bearings or bearing .

[@harenstv1285]

God bless you sir.

[@eduardomariadesouzasouza986]

São ótimos seus vídeos, 🇧🇷.

[@stiflermaster3677]

doesn't it help to pedal because of the extra roller?

[@GossieMTB]

What happened to your Norco Range? Did you sell it?

[@vdel7418]

probably gave it back to Norco

[@aidenmtb5784]

He more than likely sold it or gave it to norco for a showroom bike.

[@newb_ghost8272]

If I was to get a druid xt what size should I get I'm 5'4 and growing quick. What size should I get.

[@violent_bebop9687]

Go to your bike shop, test fit/ride

[@olivermoore1074]

How do you guys judge speed for gap jumps? I've just built a 5 foot double and I'm questioning my speed. I've hit bigger jumps, but none that I've built.

[@stevecrump1375]

Hi.Yuka...I really enjoyed your video you sounded so funny when you mentioned your bottom. ..Haha...Your bottom is safe now from that nasty big 29" tyre...Your riding skills are to be admired and you look so different without a helmet. ..Nice bike you have much better now for your bottom and all those steep trails...Please do another video for us you are a way cool chic...God bless.🙋 you guys....

[@jackzwart4443]

Does the suspension push or pull?

[@ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣΓΚΕΡΛΕΣ]

single pivot with high pivot placement has been around for ages. infact it is the simplest and earliest design of single pivot ever made. These bikes are a major single pivot comeback. This is how everyone, all of a sudden , will forget why they ditched them for multipivot frames in the first place. I guess in reality , the single pivot wasn't as bad as marketing hypes made it to be.

[@3mtech]

Haha. Elevated chainstay back in the day. My old Ironhorse, with literally one set of bearings, must be worth a small fortune.

[@drewsandlman1311]

When are you moving to Rumble?

[@andreibarbosu1429]

what size is it please

[@ph3skyy53]

you are the best

[@xhypnotic613]

Any good recommendations for a bike for like $400-$500 I just want a pretty nice bike to maybe do some mountain biking but I’m not taking it serious I just want a good reliable bike. And maybe if there is any good ones for like $200-300

[@davidmuresan6049]

i like hard tails but this is so nice

[@chill6018]

I think it looks cool

[@spuddo123]

Really the only two negatives about hp bikes is the high anti-rise and the lengthening wheelbase

[@mtb_king2716]

Have you ever considered a split pivot design???

[@bradymtb6507]

I would love this bike if it had a bit more suspension

[@remsi4u]

name of the front mud guard ?

[@crixus5885]

I think it's a mucky nutz

[@remsi4u]

@@crixus5885 thank‘s bro 👌🏽

[@mtb_king2716]

That new bike is the Drednought I think

[@lmandrums3118]

Why sram 11 speed and not 12? Is it because the chain would be too long for 12 speed?

[@leifberg2165]

The trek remedy is where it’s at

[@gaveltron]

Its too bad amazing bikes like that are impossible to get in Australia. At least, impossible to get for a price that doesnt make you cry.

[@grisperez3231]

How much did the bike cost???

[@davidc6032]

I'm sure it's safe, but that idler pulley gives me the creeps...like I'm going to rips some skin off the inside of my right calf during some funky move in a tech section.

[@darrensmith9182]

Looks like the derailleur does a heap of work ,every time the bike compresses the derailleur moves forward i bet the clutch wont last long.