What's The Future Of The Boeing 717 In Hawaiian's Fleet With Alaska's Acquisition?

[@afb2]

It should be the A220, but knowing Alaska, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the MAX 7 or even some E175s

[@svenr101]

Southwest has made the inter-island 737 work, so I expect the 737 (any of its newer variants) to replace the 717

[@hanj31]

They'll just have to rotate them between inter-island services and mainline services like southwest does. IDK if the engines can handle the nature of the short flights (which means more cycles).

[@BrickStadiums]

I think they will keep the 717 for the 5 years, and by that time the max 7 should be certified and ready. I think that is the best way to accomplish Alaska’s goal of being loyal to Boeing.

[@scpatl4now]

The A220 would be the best fit, but I doubt Alaska would go with that

[@orionwesley]

I suddenly cringe for Hawaiian's future fleet.

[@sportsMike87]

The merger hasn’t been approved

[@wyoboatman]

Most likely the 737-700 but also could be the E175.

[@M167A1]

I think the e175s are going to be the final choice. There's really no reason to introduce Airbus into the fleet, the surviving airbuses from Virgin are on the way out.

[@hawaiifiles]

The A220 was the most mentioned 717 replacement until the merger news. I think that is out and probably the 737-7 Max is in the future. Boeing 737-200s used to fly inter-island with Aloha Airlines 1969 - 2008.

[@texasabbott]

The short-term future of the 717 is more 717s ! With four 717 Boeing Capital leased aircraft recently transferred from Delta Airlines to Hawaiian in June 2023: N728BC, N825BC, N826BC and N883BC.

[@uchikoshi-TL]

E195-E2 seems like the most logical solution

[@fabios.253]

If you look at PORTER and their E2, and how they are growing fast because their airplane is more efficient...well that would be my choice but everyone knows that there's a lot of politics behind airplane sales.

[@johniii8147]

Those Pratt and Whitney engines are not well suited to such short hops with quick turn times

[@fabios.253]

@@johniii8147 lol

[@soccerguy2433]

E195-e2 would be good. Great economics and no decade long wait-list

[@cmsimo999]

Maybe purchase 717’s from QantasLink for spare parts? Then fly them for many more years and by that time the 737 MAX 7 backlog could be cleared out? Not sure the MAX 7 backlog is substantial anyway.

[@johniii8147]

That’s actually likely to be Delta

[@ricahrdb]

The 737 MAX seems like the obvious choice. And Minicucci's remarks about extending operations of the 717 until the end of the decade strongly suggests that they are prepared to wait until the MAX becomes available again.

[@JamesHorton-fo3yv]

It will either be 737-MAX 7 or Horizon Air flying E175's under the Hawaiian name.

[@davidsilver4339]

E 175 is too small. Would be the E2 195.

[@MDE128]

I want the A220 because it looks like a CRJ, but E195s are most likely.

[@lotusupra]

People dont realize how perfect the 717 is for interisland travel. These interisland routes get about 16 flight cycles per day with quick 30min turnarounds, the 717 can easily handle that but the 737 powerplant is not meant to be turned off and on for quick turnarounds like that. Look at southwest's route, instead doing inter island back and forth with the 737, they do one island to the other then to mainland and back to hawaii. Also the a220 and e195 make a bit more sense but its a bit more than what is needed for interisland travel. 717 is truly meant for this type of route

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

Either the Boeing 737 MAX 7 or the Embraer E195-E2.

[@xDefender11]

Glad I got to ride on the 717, they’ll probably use the 737 max and cycle the planes so they don’t get worn down from the super short trips 😢

[@richjames2540]

Reports here in Hawaii say the decision of Max 7 is aleady taken.

[@johniii8147]

That’s just speculation of this point

[@hnlrarebirds5684]

With Alaska's input, Hawaiian's 717 replacement will most likely be the 737-7 or -8. It would allow Hawaiian to fly the 737s inter-island, then dispatch them to the west coast from the Neighbor Islands. Similar to what Southwest does with their 737-8s here at HNL. Some fly in from the west coast, spend several days flying inter-island, then return to the west coast.

[@PhilippDebus]

Wouldn't turboprop aircraft be most efficient on the short island hopping routes? They are also less expensive to purchase and the lower cruise speed is operationally insignificant.

[@jaysmith1408]

Correct, efficient, inexpensive, and ground serviceable. But the choices are the ATR-72, or the Q400 (which I’m sure Viking would still make). However Alaska has made it abundantly clear how they don’t like the Dash-8’s, even leaving destinations served by them so I doubt they’ll like Hawaiian flying them (despite their mechanics still being familiar with them).

[@johniii8147]

Highly doubt they will be going turboprops

[@johniii8147]

@@jaysmith1408 the Q’are not made anymore

[@davidsilver4339]

I bet they would consider turboprop, but not the available planes. In 10-15 year, with larger turboprops with super-high efficiency, they will be back!

[@absolutefba241]

@@jaysmith1408gross, the Q400’s were terrible to fly on especially window seats unless you liked one leg higher than the other. 😂😂😂

[@momiami7974]

They're gonna go for the max 7s

[@alooga555]

The E190 could also work.

[@globetrotter7778]

Yes, also Alaska has E175s so their fleet would be simpler if they ordered E2s rather than A220s.

[@sleepyvtek9]

I think the E190 or A220 would be good for HAL.

[@iceman9678]

Alaska will use B737 variants to replace all of Hawaiian narrow bodies similar to what they did with Virgin America. The wide bodies will likely stay in the fleet but get replaced with 787 in the future. Wide bodies will be used on routes that are too far for narrow bodies. Domestically, I expect Hawaiian may be used to reach Alaska destinations on the east coast.

[@gteixeira]

Wow, the B377 haven't been used for Hawaii services for years. I'm glad they will be back!

[@petertang7717]

Do you think Alaska Airlines will keep B-787?

[@GregsWorkshopOregon]

E175's operated by Horizon

[@frankpinmtl]

Complete with scope clauses

[@bondisteve3617]

501...Hoorah!

[@Perich29]

I think they should replace the 717 with Embraer 175 and have Horizon Air operate the neighbor island and do the Island hopping run. and shuttle people to different island.

[@ManoPotogee]

I think they'll go with the 737 Max 7

[@bradrothberg5863]

embraer?

[@josesantizo4432]

A220

[@23merlino]

surely alaska and hawaiian serve different markets, if so then one aircraft type fit's all is probably not the way to go... also the saying "don't put all your eggs in one basket" springs to mind...

[@phillipparrish5577]

Max 7

[@delta_cosmic]

Alaska is just gonna scrap the a321neos and the a330s like what they did in their fleets.

[@erauprcwa]

The A330 was already scheduled to be replaced with the 787 BEFORE Alaska.

[@onhiatus526]

Maybe the 737 MAX 8

[@sportsMike87]

A220. The 717’s are so ancient now

[@ericjones7769]

Their not that ancient and if that's the case then the 737-800s and A320s are all ancient too because their even older than the 717s 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️💯💯💯💯

[@t10391]

A319 NEO or e190 E2

[@zloinaopako]

A220

[@mh12-47]

Rumour is thag 737 MAX 7 is the favourite to replace the 717

[@absolutefba241]

Max 7 is the only Max Alaska doesn’t have or ordered….. yet. 😂

[@reinheimerjohn]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@matzalso]

Absolutely the A220. There's no logical other option.

[@eliomarlacerda6943]

Embraer E2

[@Adumzzinthehouse]

737 Max 7, Hawaiian is opening up to more Boeing and Alaska is strictly Boeing on mainline.

[@Youtub77W]

Will Hawaiian aircrafts be painted in Alaska Airlines livery?

[@BrickStadiums]

Alaska has said that they will keep the Hawaiian branding, thus must likely for the time being, they will remain painted in the Hawaiian colors.

[@gregio6295]

I hope not Hawaiian has one of the most beautiful liveries, while I don't care much for Alaska's colors.

[@Mark-uh7cr]

Me wonders if the airline will stay with the Inuit face on the tails of their Hawaiian fleet or paint the Polynesian face specifically on that portion of the fleet.

[@leezinke4351]

What about CRJ-900 or 1000??

[@miguelbarrero5572]

Very simple, replace them with 737 Max airplanes.

[@InsertGenuineName]

To big for the 717

[@MichaelSeaBelA]

Please, Boeing, replace with Boeing 717 MAX planes for Hawaiian Airlines and other airlines worldwide.

[@VamarSwiss]

The simple answer is nothing

[@FeRnAnDo1538]

Embraer E2 or A220. Max 7 hasn’t even certified

[@johniii8147]

Doesn’t matter it’s not certified it will be very soon. Certainly has not stopped Southwest for more than doubling. It’s order for the type.

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

I would say the MAX 7 or the E195-E2. The MAX 7 is closing in on its certification though.

[@diamandohd5629]

a318

[@gooner72]

If this is Alaska making the decisions, Hawaiian can say goodbye to any Airbus aircraft that they currently have......

[@andrewsavage6738]

A220

[@phillipparrish5577]

Mergr is many moths ahead wifh this Administration.

[@68404]

The MC-21 should be considered. The design will be mature by the time the 717s are at the end of their service life.

[@soccerguy2433]

No

[@Dinson1]

I honestly don't think the 737 will replace the 717, I think instead Hawaiian will replace it with turboprop aircraft instead of using Jet engines because for the most part, Turboprops like the Q400, and ATR 42/72 are getting popular on regional routes and for the most part can land at remote destinations.

[@ericjones7769]

Highly Doubt That

[@absolutefba241]

@@ericjones7769me too since Alaska just got rid of their Q400’s

[@kingleolumaban5415]

.

[@stickynorth]

Airbus A220-100/300 is the best choice for most airlines on most routes...

[@bryanjennings5262]

If they sell off the 717s, Delta will probably buy them!

[@ilikebigbuttsandicannotlie8605]

Delta is planning on retiring the 717 by 2030 they don't want them they want more efficient A220-100 and 300. All their planes currently on order are the longer 300.

[@Tpr_1808]

Alaska will not take anything that's not Boeing

[@M167A1]

Or Embraer.

[@tallmansfavorites7563]

Assuming the acquisition is approved.. in other words, don't count the chickens until they hatch. Say, ... How is that NorthEast alliance with American and JetBlue going these days, or for that matter, the Spirit and JetBLue merger?? Hawaiian may well be Hawaiian well into the 2040's

[@james.gilley17]

* Delta Air Lines has entered the chat *

[@llondoskyllondosky8565]

B737MAX8 is good !

[@ericjones7769]

It's too big

[@llondoskyllondosky8565]

@@ericjones7769 > I think load factor B737MAX still relevant for market Hawai region up to US…🤓

[@Flightfest900]

anything but airbus please

[@militaryav8r]

1st view... 1st comment!

[@InsertGenuineName]

One must imagine Sisyphus happy

[@Your_Local_Nerd]

good job on this achievement, here’s your trophy and why not take 1 million dollars because you deserve it 🏆💰💰💰💵💵💵💴

[@militaryav8r]

@@Your_Local_Nerd why thank you kind sir! I happily accept cash or check!

[@Your_Local_Nerd]

@@militaryav8r cash 🤑🤑

[@ilmarilah1195]

Alaska airlines man and Hawaiian woman getting married confirmed

[@celebrityrog]

Alaska is one of the worst airlines for service, maintenance, stable mentality of employees. They’re also extremely expensive for what they are. Hawaiian should just fold.

[@erauprcwa]

LOL Not true at all, but pop off sis

[@orionwesley]

Ugh, they will probably go all Boeing. So much for the A220 in Hawaiian livery. 🗑

[@finleydoyle]

literally

[@4evertrue830]

Fear not. China's C919 commercial jumbo will replace the B717. What can go wrong? 😏🤗😂

[@umi3017]

Technically, ARJ21 is the direct replacement of 717 then...

[@jamiesworld1690]

B717 is so outdated and dangerous better of using a319 or a318

[@spades9048]

😂 😂 😂

[@christopherescott6787]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dmcr9525]

You are outdated and dangerous! 🤣

[@jamiesworld1690]

Absolutely nothing the b717 is the world's most dangerous aircraft of the world

[@jaysmith1408]

The most dangerous aircraft in the world has no hill losses? I’m sure the Comet is well ahead of it on this one.

[@well-blazeredman6187]

No hull-losses and no fatalities, according to Wiki.

[@christopherescott6787]

Click bait fool.

[@Sakura_Matou]

How is the 717 dangerous?

[@dmcr9525]

Stop with the lies man..... Its immature and nowhere near funny.