What's the future of the Competitive Gaming Mouse Industry?

We have so many great gaming mice on the market these days, but they're starting to get a bit "safe" and boring, because the formula has basically been perfected for ... well, sales. It's hard to get excited, but it's never been easier to give recommendations. So where to now? What's the next step?
Just wanted to give some thoughts on the industry and where it needs to go next, as well as some news on what I've been up to and what's to come. I'll have some announcements and updates over the next year (it's a long process), so stay tuned, I don't know how much time I'll have for content but will try to make more videos.
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[@arsenai4935]

Oh my fucking god the cut to the brick when he mentions the g502 and then pretends like nothings wrong 😭

[@browniex5120]

The irony when he spoke about the mouse 😂😂😂😂 To be honest, when I switched from a Basilisk V3 to a normal OP1, there were so many changes. The weight was cut by halved from 100-110g to around 50g, the thumb rest on the side was removed and it’s also slightly more narrow. The clicks are very light & easy to press, with the same going for the side buttons. To be honest, this mouse is pure perfection for me. I was actually thinking of getting the OP1 8K, but it was just out of stock before my mother managed to buy it, so I went with the OG version. I’m thinking of getting the 8K version, even if it’ll cost an extra $20.

[@stan.fromis_9]

spit my drink at 2:26

[@Spillow-C]

for a brick, the aim is pretty good

[@brumby92]

Went from the g502 to the superlight 2. Yeah it's a brick, but it's a brick that still lives in my top drawer. It's just great to use for certain games.

[@munfurai8083]

@@Spillow-C Nice Halo reference.

[@Kworks86]

RIP

[@Mezurashii5]

I didn't even realise what this comment was about at first because it looked right to my brain.

[@taeneli5384]

I actually can't get over the 2:26 either lmaoo. Thank you.

[@theofficialpollo]

I think the mouse market has just gotten so good It's a non issue for most people regardless of which mouse you go with, since there are so many good options.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yeah I'd agree, but I think shape could change that.

[@okanakgonul4473]

yea garbage qc and same shapes 7-24. fk mouse market.

[@DrizzIee]

Using the REDDRAGON 913 mainly for the shape.@@RocketJumpNinja

[@MekaniQ]

@@okanakgonul4473 lmao

[@domantasbronusas]

No. I can’t find suitable mouse and I didn’t get updated g305 (dont know where to put my pinky on all other mice) :( with type c and stuff love that mouse

[@ccomboxdd]

mans did a cinematic on a brick

[@Kelekona_808]

Best B-roll of the G-502 that I've seen recently. 💯

[@BeerDone]

Oh man, telling me to step off the MZ1 is a hard bargain, man. Those new shapes better be exciting. _clearly the future is trackball_

[@GRiMS2K]

I lowkey think trackball is insane in the right hands :D

[@zherxio]

G403 could use an update

[@HaploPrime]

I still can't believe they have not made a g403 superlight it would be such an easy sell.

[@MieziWithSunglxzz]

we need a real OG based G303x and a G703x (I guess they would call them that judging by the g502x name scheme lately.)

[@baconberries8097]

I see a g703 remake, but I guess I just don't see real potential in a new g403. Does it really fill some kind of niche that other mice don't? A new lightweight mouse with that old metal scroll wheel sounds sick though.

[@josko144]

​@@baconberries8097 what are u on? G703 = wireless g403

[@HaploPrime]

@@josko144 G703 is 95g. That is way too heavy.

[@lreismann9180]

I bought the Z1 Rail around the time when it came out and I don't ever want to switch my mouse again! But hearing about you designing new mice is getting me soo excited

[@habitat2907]

The popularity of the razer viper mini is a great example of shape being king, wired, 3399, and an amazing shape everyone loves!

[@Ishi112]

With it being cheap it was a no-brainer to pick one up and see if i like it, even if it was way smaller than what i was used to

[@fran2911]

I detest the viper mini, gpx is the true king

[@velvetfrog617]

Been using the viper mini since its release. Honestly completely forgot about mice since using it, its so reliable.

[@VileVamp]

Problem is razer's trash tier qc, or I'd probably have mained it before the op1

[@idkwhattonamethisyoutubeac4737]

@@VileVamp I had one. Scroll wheel malfunctioned in literally a month.

[@auslad]

I'm looking forward to seeing what shapes you come up with, very interesting. And I still use your MZ1 too ;)

[@kiwiskilled]

so excited for your mice shape designs.

[@phucnguyen0110]

Ah the brick reference to the G502, I can't agree more haha. Great video king!

[@GalacticYuna]

i recently grabbed a keychron m4 cus i wanted to try a fingertip mouse. It's been really fun to try, and has made me more open to try different mice in the future. I'm excited to see what you and the mouse enthusiast industry has in store!

[@Teh-Penguin]

You were the one who convinced me years ago to have two different mice. One for productivity tasks and browsing and one for gaming. Best choice I made so far. And yeah, you're right. There isn't much to improve upon with what's on the market right now.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Well said RJN, cant wait to see what you bring 👍

[@cMarshallGo_]

Heck Yeah I'm stoked to see what you come out with next. No matter what I pickup I always end up back on the MZ1 it's just too good! (I hope the new design will include split mouse keys again, as someone with a 1/3/1 grip being able to rest my middle finger between the scroll wheel and PgDn is so handy for stability!)

[@pertsonvelts1699]

When it comes to shapes, makes me sad how we don't have much to choose from. Even the once classic MX518 shape isn't available in lightweight version - mouse industry playing it so safe that we can't even have a proper thumb groove anymore for better grip! Thumb groove gives the option to more effectively squeeze the mouse if necessary, which improves control for some players (just as the control can be better when the player has the option to push the mouse into mousepad when stopping). I'll always have respect for RJN for coming up with the MZ1 shape which was actually something different. Was disappointing to see how many of the reviewers couldn't celebrate innovation, and instead gave reduced review scores because the MZ1 shape didn't happen to suit their personal preference.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Funnily enough a few of the other reviewers eventually came around to it... after they gave it enough time and got used to the shape, which is why I'm trying to stress that as a community, we need to give mice a proper chance. 3 weeks is what it took me to get used to the Razer Diamondback, so that's the mark I set. And yeah agreed, it's just too safe now, we gotta start encouraging risks.

[@EaZynite]

Can't wait to see your new projects. I'm hoping to see something a little wider without the holes and RGB. I really liked the MZ1 wireless, I even modified it with a smaller battery to better suit my needs, but unfortunately after a while I started getting hand cramps. My aim was really good (same as w G PRO Wireless) and I think there was potential to be a bit better, but my consistency was worse, and the cramps remained even after 3 months. Unfortunately, the worst thing was the quality control. After 3 months, I was having trouble double clicking the left button. I tried adjusting the screw position first, then the debounce setting, but I didn't feel safe playing with debounce at 8ms. The only solution was to change the switches. Luckily, I had spare switches on hand when I changed them on my G PRO Wireless.

[@Hannigan501]

I think the next advancement in mice tech should be the addition of hall effect switches for the clicks, like what Wooting keyboards have.

[@Visstnok]

Wootings are just the best. Speaking of what's next, I wish they'd make a keyboard that you could plug your mouse into, and it would merge with the function layer system. I've gotten so used to pressing Alt or Win in my games as a modifier for other keys, and I really wish I could extend this to the mouse buttons. I know Razer has something similar called Hypershift, but it's _extremely_ lackluster and requires keyboard and mouse that are both Razer.

[@Mezurashii5]

@@Visstnok that exists. It's called rewasd, and I've used it a ton because I can't use a keyboard, meaning I need a lot mapped onto the mouse.

[@Peter-gb4ey]

🤯

[@Visstnok]

@@Mezurashii5 Oh, damn! I knew of reWASD, but wasn't aware it was that powerful - thanks. I need to look into it, although I would easily have paid many hundred bucks for an elegant hardware solution. I know if I install reWASD, I need to implement a workaround for the fact that Apex kicks you for it, lol.

[@Mezurashii5]

@@Visstnok It wasn't the installation, it was the fact that there's a process running in the background. They did something to fix it in the last update, according to their posts. Dunno if that means you can use the remapping or if they just turn the process off automatically when the game is launched.

[@plasma5656]

good to hear from you!

[@Alex-zm8ss]

Thank you for all the work you do, I just picked up a Pulsar X2V2 mini for my finger tip grip because it had optical switches. Next mouse you release please have those and I'll buy it!

[@h4zard455]

dope. im excited for your new mice

[@primelimitt]

dude you one of the few people that are so passionate about gaming mice and improving aim, its amazing. good luck your your new designs. one problem that I always had with mice is that I cant feel comfortable with griping a mouse that doesnt have a lot of space in thumb position, so I cant really try smaller mice. hope you make a shape for me too! :D

[@AlexDenton0451]

See I bought the G Pro X when it came out and just haven't felt the need to upgrade. I do miss your old videos from back when I was in Highschool, like 2018ish? Generally giving advice was really cool, its been a while since I watched. Its kinda cool to see how far things have come though I will say, both on your Channel and in this market.

[@umargod1954]

UPDATED MZ1 WHEN??? SHAPE IS SOO GOOD.

[@n07H1m]

Same

[@echohotelsix]

I always intrigued with flat mouse designs like mz1

[@Syntaxoutofmind]

Yeah, I would buy it if the sensor was updated.

[@CYNC33]

Been tempted to buy one a few times but just never pulled the trigger. If it was to be updated, and possibly without holes, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[@0xszander0]

The hump in the back is a little too in the way for me. Also not enough ring finger support. But it might work well with some hands! I went for the Zowie U2.

[@Hirens.]

Keep up the good work!

[@justinsanex]

We want an updated MZ1! It's the best. Here's to hoping you're working on a pen mouse.

[@ZenRyoku]

YES! THE SHAPE AND SIZE ARE ABSOLUTELY THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. i went to a viper mini to the updated version only has a slight height in the hump where the mouse fits in the middle of the palm...and it made all the difference...💯

[@Alexandra-Rex]

It will be interesting to see the new designs. I eventually got the MZ1. It's great. The only issue I have is I keep pushing the side buttons by accident and active the ability in QC when I don't plan to :P

[@blanke_bolster]

There are so many things to improve in the shape design. I've been searching for a perfect gaming mouse since the beginning of this century!

[@BigWaterDrinker]

alternate back shell mz1 is my actual endgame I really hope xtrfy don't abandon the shape, thank you for designing it.

[@koketsu]

truely shocking

[@koketsu]

nvm wrong video

[@DukeJukem-yg1le]

Gtfo and spell properly as well. Truly disappointing.

[@Alpha_Xero]

Nah he is the new GOAT of gaming mice

[@devinfraserashpole4753]

He will get bored as well.

[@robertbobbybob]

always try new shapes, it's what makes gaming fun imo. like choosing a weapon been going back to my mm720 and i love it

[@liquite]

I have 0 actual reason to buy a new mouse until I break the one I have, since its so good. G pro my beloved

[@fran2911]

Same.

[@vik1ng313]

I've been using the G403 since forever. It occasionally registers the infamous double-click issue but has otherwise been fine. I don't really have a need to change it but I really want to get a wireless lightweight mice.

[@GoldenPickled]

Sounds awesome good luck

[@StaySic4Ever]

Definitely to continue iterating on shapes, while obviously having top sensor, polling rate, full shell and low weight. When using current mouse over time I can notice where I could see it improved for me, be it how I hold a certain finger, or certain size dimension change. Noticed that lowering main clicks to have more vertical finger pressure on them helps.

[@OneLegHD]

When I got my xlite v2, I finally understood how important shape is. Playing it for about a year and I think it is my perfect mouse. That said, I am excited for future videos with interesting shapes 🤟🏻

[@0xszander0]

Have you tried the Zowie U2? I got it yesterday and it has such a unique shape! It fits so well when using claw grip. It's agile yet perfectly supports my ring finger & thumb. Zowie is all about shape as well.

[@matradz]

Good to see king of mices back in improving industry. Your channel taught us things that most of us don't pay attention but are so important. Btw do you plan to design mouse normal sized but shorter smaller back? This fingertip mices are too small for me (like HSK Pro 4K but bigger like half of best x cutter around side buttons)

[@NimbusTLD]

I'm stil rocking a G305 (with lithiums) based on your reviews back in the day. I agree, I haven't found any need to upgrade to any new mouse :)

[@michelebinetti9256]

but tbh i miss your videos. it was such a good guidance for my next mice to buy. maybe im just getting old now but youre the best mice reviewer

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

My Xtrfy mz1 started disconnecting after 8 months. Apparently a know problem with the cord breaking. causes mouse to freeze for a few seconds often in clutch sitatuations lol. I reached out to customer support today.

[@GRiMS2K]

Lovely video mate, I totally agree with this. - Any ETA on when we can hear about ur new mice/shapes/company stuff? :D cheers from Norway.

[@mikailkreuzer1202]

So happy to be part of this community :D

[@Skazzy3YT]

Zy's music has been burned into my head from all the gaming mouse videos I watched in 2016. Something I'll never forget even if the video production has slowed down

[@robodrome]

He has returned

[@zarco5855]

I use a G502 for everyday tasks, I love it and if it breaks down I'll buy another, but for gaming, the superlight is where it's at.

[@yinx9]

I wonder what your thoughts are about the WLMouse Beast X Mini, as a small mouse enjoyer. That thing is so good.

[@Bormen414]

Still rocking the OG viper. At first it felt big, but got used to it. Good enough and it takes me 2-3 months to get used to a new shape.

[@Transgenic86]

I'd love a G703 but a superlight version. I love the shape of that mouse. The closest I found was Viper V3 Pro, so I'm using that until something else comes out.

[@seba8600]

I've been trying the Logitech g302 with the diamond shape, i thought i wouldn't like it but I'm loving it, the cons are the side buttons are too squishy and the left side plastic started to rattle when I lift the mouse

[@aphae]

I’m still looking for a good shape for my mouse grip and hand size. None of the mouses in the market have my interest. Almost every company focuses on Claw and fingertip. Always the same shape with slight changes. I’m looking into the viper v3 pro and hoping it would be a great fit for me

[@GOGETAdu54]

Damn that's we know why the boys like the G502, it's sexy as heck lol. On a side note we can see your MZ1 is well used by the worn off coating just like mine. Gonna take some grip tape for it. My previous G403 was good but the issue was the rubber. My thumb digged a hole in it and it was cramping my hand. Curious what you're next designs will be, I like the MZ1 even though I took me more than 3 weeks to get used to it lol

[@plagx3428]

Do you think that FPS input method will change? With the addition of AR and VR. In somewhat far future we could be aiming with our bare hands. True 0 weight.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yeah but to controller with aim assist. Seriously though, aim is one thing, movement is another... I think VR would just make you sick if you played Quake with it, especially if you tried to rocket jump. I think for now, mice are going to be the best. Maybe pens eventually, maybe hand gestures in the even more distant future. The mouse just makes so much sense though, for now it's the best for aiming and movement.

[@RM-xq7gf]

takes on vertical mice? the wrist has much greater range of motion this way. Ive never used a vertical mouse so i wonder if u have any takes

[@manslaughter9746]

I got large hands, so when I first bought the MZ1 I put it away after a few weeks. Tried some other shapes the last year or so and I got bored and wasn't seeing any improvement. Got the MZ1 out again on a whim, started breaking aiming records. I don't hold it flat or fingertip like maybe I should, but for claw grip it's been really good for me even with larger hands. Recently got the wireless version and love the click improvement. It didn't come with the original back mold b/c I bought it used but I'm going to 3D print it and I think I'll be set for a long while.

[@yamato1420]

You should really look into higher-end audio. HD 560s, Hifiman headphones such as the Ananda nano, maybe IEM's. It's the next step after getting your PC, monitor and other peripherals right and it does help.

[@Guanjyn]

I’ve recently ditched Glorious and been pretty happy with Superlight 2. I would have been interested in your mouse if there was a bigger version.

[@TheXTREMEGROOVES]

when are you going to bring up an updated MZ1. I loved my old one but it needs to be lightened and new sensor and switches

[@Mrlolol7779]

Kind of a weird question, I'm addicted to the ergonomics and extra buttons of my MMO mouse. (G600) Specifically, the third click. Is it holding me back, and should I just learn to click a tiny mouse wheel and use keyboard to swap weapons like an adult?

[@michaelabdulnour7762]

bro i've been using the Rival 310 for years now and used the 300 before that, so im a big steelseries guy but i don't like anything they make now, they all seem very symmetric which i hate, i want something wireless with that og rival dna in the shape similar to my 310, what could you recommend? thanks and have a nice day

[@ModernHorrorGaming]

The razer viper mini signature is actually pretty damn sweet lol

[@mikekonkola1231]

Was wondering if we will get a upgraded mz1. Possibly a solid shell?

[@PinotNoir_]

6:17 this is true! if you want to change your mouse, try it atleast 3 weeks or even 1 month to adapt before you decide whether you keep it or sell it for another mouse. i've been using g502 clone for the past 3 years and it's a good mouse, just a bit heavy so i remove the back outer shell and put some holes in it, then i switch to Cobra Wired exactly 1 month ago and at first i feel the mouse is too small and a bit uncomfortable to hold with my hand and i can't aim because of that so i'm thinking to sell it to get a real g502, but i give it another chance and now i love it!

[@hghjvgjhvghjgvhvjhgvjh]

Thanks for the video, but i have a question, im considering getting a mouse, and I've been interested in the Cobra Pro, but i hear there are problems. i wanna know what they are? (Btw to note, i need an ambidextrous mouse)

[@hghjvgjhvghjgvhvjhgvjh]

Like for me im more of a casual player so if there is a mouse thats the size of like a plusfire haste it would be great

[@Alpha_Xero]

Wait you're alive!

[@paulhatt5430]

LOVE THE BRICK

[@TheDonkeyFLOPPER]

When I first switched to pc I wasn't comfortable using my left hand to hit commands and prompts the g502 was a godsend to slowly get me comfortable with a keyboard for gaming there was a period where I was eagerly trying to find the next great mouse, buying every single mouse I could get to find the best one now i just use the g pro superlight no thought in my head when I go to grab it, no want for anything lighter or different shape it just fits, its comfortable and it works every time

[@dankvader420]

Even I switched from the g403 to the g305 I did start seeing why shape is the most important thing on a mouse. I since then moved to a razer viper mini, another great shape if you need a small mouse.

[@Ir0n_One]

I recently noticed once again how important shape is. I tried the Sora V2 bcs of the incredible specs, but it just is not for me. I was constantly actively thinking how to hold the mouse best. I am super happy now with a NP01 and even though it’s 30g heavier than the Sora, it just disappears in my hand and I stopped thinking about it.

[@Fate025]

The mz1 wireless has been my main mouse for more than a year, i've modded and shaved the interior to bring down the weight, but the shape and size is why it remained as my main even though so many competiting mice has cropped up. If RJN is designing more mice with different companies, I would love to try them out and see if they feel better, or if the mz1 remains as my main mouse

[@samuels8621]

I wish Logitech would bring back the G9x shape. I lost 4 of them to the cable connection and by that point it had been discontinued. G502 x grip feels similar in some ways but it's not the same. Do you have an opinion on the G9x shape?

[@theretrogamers7690]

What resources are you using to learn to develop games? Udemy? Books?

[@freezxng_moon]

tbh i am completely out of the loop with mice for the past 2years, maybe i already found my "endgame" for real this time but i've beenusing the lamzu atlantis og and the xm2we and just switching them up with each charge. Both have some drawbacks though and my absolute dream would be - atlantis shape with its crispy af left and right click, but with xm2we coating, side buttons and wheel.

[@billgrant7262]

Do you have any video or section or explanation about the pros and cons of wireless?

[@jaxsonsingleton7568]

g wolves is releasing a pretty interesting shape with the htr

[@drewfromoz2758]

Replacing the battery and removing the battery sliding compartment shaves off about 7 grams on the Xtrfy MZ1. Cutting out more of the plastic shaves also off a few more grams. Mine is under 50 grams. Bearded Bob's got some really good video mods for this mouse. It's one of the best mice for medium hands with finger-tip grip. Love this thing!

[@MushMunkey]

im on the op18k and its cool just wish it was a little wider I just have big hands. I feel like the dpi and everything has been smooth. I'm surprised how much tech goes into all this stuff though min maxxing it is almost impossible.

[@rikuclad1264]

Best wireless mouses to buy right now, one for for fps and one for mmo?

[@KiraDenys]

Haven felt the need to replace my mouse since switching to the G Pro wireless with the PowerPlay mat...

[@mlgpika6363]

I would love to see what you would think of the zowie u2

[@Kriskrieg]

I'd love for more of a push for ergonomics. We like our traditions and often play it safe but lets start looking at our hands and ask ourself If we continue to game for the next 15years is it going to be sustainable with the positions we put our wrists in while aiming?

[@2unguska]

what I want is exac G703 shape being updated with latest tech

[@casper3677]

Recently I've thought the same thing. Right now, sensors and switches have gotten so good, but there is one common problem that every company is sharing, "safe" shapes. I always bought a mouse based on your opinion and reviews, the first was back in 2018. I've tried a lot of your top choices, but every one of them always had a strange feeling. Right now, I've been using a Deathadder V3 wired for almost a year, but I found myself in multiple situations thinking that this mouse is missing something. One day, I decided to take a look in my storage and found some old mice, but one stood out from the others, the Rival 310! I immediately decided to feel it again and man... this mouse is crazy good in ergo and feeling for today's standards, so much better compared to a Deathadder V3. So now I've made a decision, i'm gonna mod it by using some TTC Gold switches, a new Kailh encoder, some PTFE skates and if possible some weight reduction. After all of those years there is still a lot of potential in that shape. Thank you for what you have done all these years, you have always been the one I trusted for mice recommendations, and I will continue to do so.

[@SaltedSlug85]

I am tired of switches failing and having to solder in new ones. When I tried earlier razer optical switches they were unusable because they were not spamable. They wouldn't register fast clicks. Like firing semi auto weapons fast like my old g303. Are there optical switch designs that allow that now?

[@InfectedByZanza]

I switched from potato Superlight to Pulsar xlite v2 wireless, it was little too small for my hands and extremely light, I gave it a go for 30 days, moved on to EC2 CW, the shape, perfect, the weight, perfect. I love it, I know this is the mouse for me, I never knew why I missed the shot, or why I had to adjust my hand everytime, now with the zowie ec2cw I know why Ive missed, I know what to improve on, my hand is always at the same place, my fingers always know where to be on the mouse, I can hold it for a whole day and have no issues. Trial and error

[@Adrian1408]

Think that's why I like gwolves so much cause they will toss some random designs along with the safe ones

[@MrInstinctGamer]

I juat wanted updated g900, by far my favorite shape, and while cloxks and even sensor have kept up, its just way too heavy

[@jake_with_the_BIG_snake]

shape is indeed king, my favorite shape so far is the XTRFY M42, with the hump(not the low standard one which is more like FK2 shape). furthermore the side buttons and click feel on the xtrfy is extremely solid. i have also logitech superlight pro x, but i don't like egg shape because it makes it difficult to switch between relaxed claw and tight claw which i find to be very natural. i dont like to play with a fully locked claw all the time. my hand is about 17.5, 9.5 but i still would like to have a little longer mouse and maybe an even higher hump. it weighs around 70 grams compared to logitech superlight that weighs 60 gram but still prefer it. another king shape for me is razer viper. but there is no wireless version which is a bit sad. heard good things bout the ninjutsu sora v2 with extended hump so gonna try that as my next mouse.

[@DaBoM1337]

One industry trend I absolutely hate is the removal of the top dpi button for weight saving. I don't use it for dpi switching but rather for profile switching so I can freely switch between a desktop and gaming config for my mouse. Nowadays almost none of the fps focused mice are including that button and I'm stuck between using two different mice or using one old sub-optimal mouse for my setup. And how much weight does removing that button save anyway?

[@iluu265]

It would be sick if you are making a mouse for the palm enjoyers, so hard to get a good shape for it. The zowie is so heavy and the stormbreaker has little grip because of the left side slits.

[@shabutie9598]

I wish my the mz1 wireless was optical switches, mine has been double clicking on both buttons 4 months after purchase. Sent it back to pccasegear for a replacement and they said that nothing is wrong with it after failing to correctly test the issue.

[@Gary_HTX]

Still rockin the old MZ1 wireless on superglides

[@1BlinkwithAngels82]

JFC, the G502 looks so solid there, it's truly a foundational building block for the mouse community.

[@Cooj11]

mice have been great lately, but hopefully we get more options in terms of different weights. personally am not a fan of very light mice. I still main the wired g pro hero, so hopefully 80-ish gram modern mice become a thing

[@djvidual8288]

I really enjoyed the Cooler Master MM 720. Its just so sad that it died just 2 years after purchase

[@Jamo4Gamez]

Being a left-handed fps gamer I have always struggled to find a light weight ambidextrous option with buttons on the right side of the mouse (using the blanking covers for left side) Currently using the Logitech G pro wireless and have tested Pulsar X2A and razer viper ultimate. The G Pro is the best fit but is on the heavy side. If anyone has suggestions that would be great!

[@delaschado8196]

My friend and me made the mod for my g300s shell. I used the interiors of a g pro wireless (A razer viper v2 would be better but i don't have one) and I freaking love it. I didn't find a similar shape or a mod for the mouse, so I said, fuck it, i'll try it, and it when pretty well. I'm proud of our creation cx

[@madhalf7059]

I have small hands and I'm yet to find a mouse that I can perform better with than with Intellimouse 3.0/pro. And I've tried most of the mixe that vaxee, xtrfy, razer, logitech, zowie, roccat and lamzu have to offer.