What's the true cost of a heat pump?

[@chestnutplanter]

I live in Maine and I love my heat pumps! They make heat pump water heaters too. Not having to order oil and dig out paths in the snow for fuel delivery in winter is nice.

[@coconutmacaroon4907]

Do you have any other source of heat? Do the figures in the argument here line up?

[@thewholesomevegan]

Hi Jason! Can you tell me what kind of heat pump you have? I just had a Carrier heat hump installed with a air handler and its not working. Takes hours to heat up a few degrees. The weather in San Jose California has been 34 in the morning and heating up to about 55 in the afternoon. The company that installed it is coming back on Monday so I'm trying to do my homework to investigate why the heat pump is not working in 30 to 50 degree weather. Would appreciate any insights. Thank you!

[@kimstpierre4591]

Hi Jason , I live in Maine and have 2 heat pumps 18000, and a 24000 and want to know what your electricity costs to run them are in Jan, feb, March seem like mine is high. Mine are set on about 66 all day. I don’t change them and work 530-am to 7 pm so almost all the bill is pumps running

[@jimmybrad156]

@@thewholesomevegan Have you looked at the units' spec sheet as to what the lowest temp it can heat in (outside) compared to the actual temp outside? Just a thought. If youve got a house and some spare cash & time, might wanna check out rocket stove heaters (burns wood, runs cleaner than gas.) I wouldn't have thought 34 f should be too cold for it though.

[@thewholesomevegan]

I found out they installed the wrong size air handler. They installed the correct size and it’s now working m. Whew 😅

[@paulmorrow8372]

I live in a house in the Southeast built in the early 1960’s. About a year ago I renovated the whole HVAC system (ductwork, units, insulation). I went with two variable speed dual fuel heat pumps and could not be happier. I was very impressed with how the heat pump performed in winter. Because of this renovation, my utility bill was reduced by 60% in the peak of summer and was about 30% lower in the coldest parts of winter.

[@zodiacfml]

I've been speculating on this if it is worth it the cost. one or two years ago, i simplified that it is worth it if you're going to use the cooling operation of the heat pump. otherwise, spend the money elsewhere like better insulation. heat pump costs is not limited to device cost but also installation, maintenance, and replacing it more often vs gas heaters.

[@Phrancis5]

I'm currently going through this calculation process to replace an old central AC. Four different bids place the AC replacement cost at $7k and the cheapest heat pump at $11k. As much as I want to go electric, it simply doesn't make financial sense to go the heat pump route. I'd have to remove the newish furnace and upgrade to the super efficient $14K heat pump to even get the full federal tax rebates, which will still have a hard time paying for itself since electricity rates are going up faster than natural gas rates in my area. It's a similar argument with EVs. It needs to be far more subsidized (like in Norway) for cost parity, since many households are struggling just to stay afloat.

[@banquo46]

I'm a pensioner living in a 1970s detached house with 12 large windows, solid uninsulated floor and cavity walls. For myself and probably most of the house owning population (UK) it's all about cost/benefit. To insulate my house up to Scandinavian standard (triple glazing etc), replace the whole pipe system (microbore) new radiators and underfloor insulation would be not be cost effective...Quite frankly I could not afford to use my savings for something that isn't a benefit. Like electric cars they are a great idea but only for people who can afford them-Good Luck

[@Alexandro345]

I switched to dual fuel. The furnace was relatively new in my case. So getting rid of it didn't really make sense at the time. However the a/c was 20+ years old. So I replaced it with a heat pump and have been running mostly on that. Have saved 66-75% on my oil costs. Also got mine installed for $4910, so make sure you shop around as these numbers can vary wildly on location and installer. Plus I added solar to compound those savings.

[@HonorKidsChannel]

What brand and model is your heat pump? What state and city is this?

[@Alexandro345]

@@HonorKidsChannel It is a bryant 215D, single stage, in baltimore md. It's a 3.5 ton. They also installed a 4'' thick media filter and redid the return to the furnace as well.

[@Phrancis5]

Wow! only $5k? I'm currently going through this calculation process to replace an old central AC. Four different bids place the AC cost at $7k and the cheapest 3 ton heat pump at $11. I'm told they just mandated a refrigerant changed. As much as I want to go electric, it simply doesn't make financial sense to replace my newish gas furnace. I'd have to remove the furnace and upgrade to the super efficient variable speed $14K heat pump to even get the full federal tax rebates, which will still have a hard time paying for itself since electricity rates are going up faster than natural gas rates in my area and we plan on moving in maybe 5 yrs.

[@MrHoochMeister]

Live in southern Wisconsin in an older small (1200sqft) house from the '50s with some ok insulation I put the numbers into an online decent looking heating cost calculator. It gave me $6 savings in operating costs a year if I switch to heat pump over my existing gas furnace. No installation/equipment cost was included. I might just wait until the ac dies on me (or I do). It may makes sense in new houses with good insulation (and with milder winters) that are built with heat pump properly calculated and designed into them.

[@tonylarose4842]

You might just want to looking into getting your house more insulated! Sure a heat pump is a smaller upfront cost but better or thicker insulation could save you a lot more.

[@QiuyuanChenRyan916]

I had to redo a lot of those house here, some has no attic insulation and you have a massive 350K BTU furnace for a 2500 sq ft house.

[@petercollins7848]

In the UK a recent independent survey run by experts they have found that heat pumps cost more to run than a gas boiler/ furnace. You cannot compare one country with another, there are too many differences and variables. We generally don’t need a/c in the UK, it never hardly gets that hot.

[@jimmybrad156]

Sounds realistic. got a video link?

[@jimmybrad156]

Do you remember the last hot day you had, and how hot it was? Would you say that you get perhaps a few sweaty days a year? Or even less?

[@petercollins7848]

@@jimmybrad156 We rarely get temperatures above the high 20s C . Very occasionally, like last year, we had temperatures of 30degC for a couple of weeks, but that was a very rare occurrence. Nothing wrong with sweating either, it is the bodies mechanism to cool you down. The survey, by an independent body was reported in the Telegraph newspaper.

[@piee683]

​@@petercollins7848 exactly people wouldn't even be happy using a fan these days

[@mikegardner8450]

One huge thing you left out was that when you replace the fossil fuel furnace with another is you still have an old A/C system or none at all. When you replace the fossil fuel furnace with a heat pump you also get a new A/C system.

[@notbatman1001]

A heat pump does not move air into and out of house as you suggest. It moves heat (energy) and transfers that heat in the desired direction. That's why it's called a "heat pump".

[@radems]

A much better explanation is that a modern heat pump is more than 90% identical to a central air conditioning unit and looks and functions nearly identical to one. The cost specified is the cost of the outdoor compressor unit plus the cost of the indoor air handler unit and the refrigerant pipes between them. The total heat pump cost is only slightly higher than purchasing a new central air conditioning inside and outside units. A standard central air conditioner is a heat pump that only works in one direction. A modern heat pump has the ability to reverse the central air conditioner's coolant direction after the compressor so that it not only can move heat from indoor to outdoor to cool your home, it can be reversed by your thermostat to move heat from outdoor to indoor to heat your home. Heat pumps have the ability to have a supplemental heat source added to them for when it is very cold as they get less efficient moving heat from outside to inside the colder it gets. They will not save you nearly as much when it is very cold and they have to use your supplemental heat but they save a ton of money the rest of the year.

[@kyl3dr]

Don’t forget, if the homeowner has solar, the heat pump can represent major savings over even gas furnaces

[@davidhanson8728]

Thanks for the video. I love the idea of switching. Was excited to see air heat exchangers as retrofitting to geothermal seems prohibitively expensive for a retiree. I was hoping to get a better feel for how they operate in extreme temperatures. I do not think of Maine as the poster child for coldest (winter) states (no disrespect intended). I am in Minnesota, we will hit -20 degree F in the winter. Cold winters will be colder than -25F and record colds go into the -30F. Summers average 13 days of 90 degree temps (seems like we have been seeing more like 20 days recently) with a few days of triple digits. So, a heat pump will need to realistically work in a 100 to -30 spread. Generally, most of the housing stock hear is natural gas.

[@MrHoochMeister]

I live in the banana belt (S. Wisconsin) and it doesn't make any sense financially even here to have one installed. Love new technologies but it is just not there yet. When our AC fails in the future I'll take another look at it, but current tech still needs a backup furnace for those (many) windy sub zero days.

[@somebody6048]

It depends on the seers number and the efficiency of the unit. MrCool heat pump claims to operate in the freezing cold of Minnesota per their KZbin videos. But I think there are other brands of heat pump that is just as efficient as MrCool heat pump. Just have to look at the spec of the heat pump before buying it.

[@marksuave25]

So getting a heat pump is something for the financially better off. Most folks don't have 11k sitting around to put on the HVAC system. Had a heat pump in North East Ohio and it sucked. Especially when it gets down to 0 degrees fahrenheit outside. We got a 600 dollar light bill from all the excess heaters running and the emergency heat running. Maybe if you have a brand new, energy efficient home...maybe. But if you have a home built before 2000, I'd go with gas over a heat pump any day.

[@hrussell9677]

You can bring old homes up to being energy efficient with insulation, new triple panes windows, and weather stripping.

[@marksuave25]

@@hrussell9677 the things you mentioned, especially the TRIPLE PANE windows are expensive!

[@rett1015]

And expect to have the heat pump replaced around the 15 year mark. So much for savings.

[@vladnickul]

We live in a town house in europe, it was build in the 1800 :) we did a full restoration, basicly building a concrete builing inside it, with 15cm XPS foam on walls and 30cm basement and roof (spray on) , with heat pumps not gas we pay something around 40% of the gas money before instalation, and even now with putreagios electricty prices we did not pay full price. I must say multimilionare homes build in usa today are much draftier then paisent ones build in the 1600, from stick mud and cow dung. callacata marble on osb :)

[@philborer877]

Thanks for the video. As a Minnesota resident I'm looking into geothermal and heat pumps at this time and your video has added info to my process. I put in my high efficiency gas HVAC 20 years ago and it's working fine but heat pump technology has improved so much in the last 20 years that I'm thrilled to be able to switch over now. The savings are great but it's not my main issue. I just want to stop spewing tons of carbon into the air every year. The beauty is that I can do both with heat pumps. I'm getting rid of all my gas burning appliances, stoves, ovens, water heaters, everything and converting to electric. Next year I'm putting up solar with battery backup and then I'm kicking back. With my new EV in a couple years I'll be carbon free. 🤞 Every home needs to do these things for our planet. With the savings and the tax credits now is the time.

[@gailann4779]

What if you live in a state that gets cold but the average cost of electricity is much higher? I think we need these breakdowns by State to determine if it would cost a lot more for a whole house heat pump versus a gas heating system.

[@cryingleftists2290]

You forgot one big thing. What is your time worth? Maintenance on that heat pump is 20 times more than a natural gas furnace. Also in colder climates it has a 50% higher chance of failing. Another thing you did not mention is electric is not carbon neutral and in cold climates you have to have a alternate heat source when the heat pump can't keep up. Also you need a air filtering system because it does not move the carbon ( stale air) out and fresh air in. I have not even got into the cassettes that some have installed into ceilings. Heat pumps have come a long way but I would not make it your heat source unless you live in a moderate climate.

[@ej8710]

With no outside air, one builds up CO2, bacteria and viruses, like Covid. One of the reasons Covid spread so quickly is that we have spent the last 3 decades being "energy efficient" that there is no chance any outside air can get inside. We are killing ourselves.

[@lordbyrom100]

Thank you so much so when the weather is close to freezing outside you can take that cold air into a heat pump that takes the heat out of the cold air making it colder outside your home ,but inside your home will be warmer …..I think that’s what you said .What I would like to know is if my fridge were to work backwards how much heat would I get out of that ? Things I put in the fridge have heat taken out of them and that heat is dissipated via a radiator at the rear of the fridge .So my kitchen should be warm if I place the fridge with the door open outside and the radiator panel in the kitchen ? You still with me ? However the compressor needs energy and that is what this is all about .My question…..how much heat can I secure when the outside temperature is 5degrees C ??

[@pascalouellette8516]

Hard to save any money on a heat pump when the annual bill before the new one is only about $1500 for the year for an all electric house...might save $2-300 a year so by the time you saved for the new one it will be obsolete or not working and need to also be replaced?

[@SanjanaRanasingha]

I really love this channel they spend so much time and research on making a video

[@climatecraze]

Problem is, they miss the main issue. More CO2 is needed ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH3RgqJuoZJ1fsU

[@kurtisallenb]

We Live in ND and have no problems with our geothermal unit, system is back up with Electric heat (that has yet to be used) if installed correctly and wright manufacture they work. The only thing I have changed was removing the ECM Motor. Power company gives us a discount for the power it uses. The down fall is when the power goes out you need a bigger generator to give it power to run, It is not a fast heating system as Gas it is a bit slower to get to set temp.

[@QiuyuanChenRyan916]

5:51, not sure if some has their roof heater? But you can tell how good the attic insulation by how much snow is on top.

[@PCenterNC]

I Live in North Carolina. I have a Large Double Wide ( Mobile Home) I bought in 2013. It came with a heat pump. I LOVE MY HEAT PUMP! Every time I pay My electric bill I am Thankful. I know NC has a Fairly moderate climate compared to a lot of States, And I know that Advancements have been made in recent Years. I know I can't speak for Everyone- But I don't see Why EVERYONE wouldn't try using a Heat Pump?

[@offgridwanabe]

I have had a Water furnace GSHP for 20 years and solar for 7 years, yes it is cheap to run especially since it has paid for itself.

[@IANREA]

But you are neglecting the way electricity is produced. As for 1 ton CO2 from flights, get used to the fact that you won’t be allowed to fly very soon, or perhaps leave your state. With Holland reducing flights by 20%, & other countries doing the same, like France any internal flight under 2 hrs won’t be allowed, travel by train.

[@jimmybrad156]

co2 shaming is another mega-scam.

[@joecliffordson]

How can you assign a heat pump savings without addressing the cost of electricity? I have heard price per kWh very from 20 cents to 9.5 cents. Soo what gives. Also isn’t the co2 greening dessert regions on the continental sized scale now. I like the heat pump technology. I am having an assessment done currently on a new build to see if we can heat and cool with floor heat and an air handler for ac. I worry about the blackouts in my area when all the e cars get plugged in. Will the extra demand on the grid make future electric more expensive?

[@mollyfilms]

I think you need to re look at the numbers.

[@angellestat2730]

But how much it can save on colling vs a normal air conditioner? Seem that everybody talking about heat pump avoid to answer that question.

[@Boz1211111]

Its the same thing, air conditioner may be refered to heat pumps that only cool but not heat

[@antonbakker2475]

Since everyone cares about money and only a minority about the environment, let's focus on the money savings. If you heat your house electrically and you have an A/C, you should switch to a heat pump. If you have a gas furnace, there is no financial reason to switch. There are better ways to reduce cost and save the environment: Move to a smaller home when your kids are out of the house. Insulate your home. Replace your old fridge, change your light bulbs to LEDs. All of these will save you both money and reduce your carbon footprint

[@Boz1211111]

Agreed

[@BrianBorges-ez3ls]

Very good assessment. We have an oil furnace in Ontario, so taxed to death, but, our central air is way past warranty, so replacing the AC and becoming dual fuel is awesome. But, I wonder, repairs on Central air or a Furnace run $250 to $500Cdn. Since Heat Pumps are 4 times as expensive, is it like luxury cars where the repairs will be 4 times as expensive? Because the massive installation subsidies (but still somehow leave us with an installation bill double what it used to be?) are only one time? And if the heat pump fails after the ever shortening warranty period, will we be screwed?!

[@frankversace2058]

How does comparing a heat pump ( electrical) vs electric baseboard save 7x carbon footprint, less than the others even gas. Makes no sense.

[@mcconnors23]

Wow someone that makes sense

[@andrewludwig9251]

The presenter never really went into detail about extreme cold weather climates and the back up heat necessary to heat a house when the outside temp is well below freezing. The back up heat strips need around 60 amps of current to operate. Now imagine 100,000 houses using their back up heat on at the same time. This will put a HUGE load on the electrical grid. Now factor in that most power generation plants are either coal or gas fired. Industry experts agree that most electrical grids operate at about a 50-60% efficiency from generation source to the house. The numbers just don't add up.

[@bowlampar]

Provided the heat source is not very difficult to access or too expensive to acquire, then heat pump is a better choice than gas furnace or heating elements. 🤔

[@Zn0nimus]

Sounds like it is not worth it in hot climates like Texas or Florida, especially if the current system is running on natural gas. Majority of the savings happen during heating, which is far and few between in Houston TX or south Florida, so the breakeven point might be 30+ years - far above the expected life of the system. Am I correct in my assumptions above?

[@QiuyuanChenRyan916]

I mean in some part of the world electricity is pretty much the only thing you can hook up to a house now. Heat pump residential wise can go down to -15C, but that would be expensive after all. COmpare to that, I would say upgrade your insulation would work out for any heating upgrade.

[@wulipondcatforeverwild3156]

Help me understand, please. The charts you show say that ELECTRIC baseboards are worst for carbon emissions and are also more expensive than gas/fuel powered sources (the latter I know for a fact. I live in a rural area in upstate NY, where electricity costs a lot. My current home, which is a 704 sq.ft cottage, has a home heating system that is powered by Propane, using a direct-vent constant pilot ignition 22kBTU free-standing propane stove, which will stay running even in a power outage, supplemented by a 17kBTU Rinnai direct-vent propane heater.) So anyways, if heat pumps are solely powered by electricity, I don’t see how that helps lessen emissions (since your chart says that electric usage, such as in the situation of using electric baseboards, cause high emissions), and how will I get a lower electric bill?? Seems to me that my bill will likely skyrocket.

[@wulipondcatforeverwild3156]

I think I found an answer to my question, and then some! Watch the KZbin channel of Benjamin Sahlstrom. The particular episode is, “can you use a mini-split in Extreme Cold?”. His explanations were very educational, I think. So, I am at this point inclined to get maybe a 9K to 12K BTU Mitsubishi H2i, AND keep my 22KBTU direct vent propane free-standing stove as my home heat sources for my 704 sq.ft. house. I will have these sources work along with each other. Also, the gas stove I can rely to stay on in case there is power outage, to keep my house from freezing. However, my homework is not done yet. I will need to be sure that this set-up is truly a good idea, or not. Because I have read elsewhere that if the room temp gets warm to your set point (thanks to the “team work” of 2 heating sources like it would be in my case), the heat pump will almost often be acting as an AC - that is, sucking out heat, to maintain desired temp/set point. So it ends up like I’d be running a heater (gas stove) AND an AC (the mini split) all at once in the same target area. Which definitely sounds horribly dumb. I guess I better do more research before I make a decision…

[@aldengushnowski6179]

I live in Alberta, Canada and the winters get down to -40 so I can't take a gamble on it working. What are the emissions from the source of electrical? And lastly, with more electric cars on boarding, will the infrastructure hold to support further demands on the grid?

[@JoeBlow-nh7mp]

The grid in Canada would have to be upgraded something like 3 to 4 folds to supply the electricity needed for this green revolution fantasy. The amount of copper and nickle needed to transition industrialized countries to green would take 200 to 400 years at current production rates. I actually saw the mining production charts on Kitco news (investment media company) since I manage my own investments. Our world governments, mostly liberals, are lying to the people and the people are believing the lies At some point though the truth will come out. All these initiatives wont' stop climate change. The amount of pollution to produce all the minerals needed is beyond imagination and in the end will destroy planet earth regardless. Humanity will have an interesting next few decades to say the least.

[@jimmybrad156]

Emission contemplation is as useful as make up. Make sure you have 2 or 3 redundant heating systems with temps that cold!

[@jimmybrad156]

If you've got your own place check out rocket heaters (wood, clean as a whistle.)

[@saynotop2w]

I live in a desert climate and a lot of people just put box fans on window sills. It’s super cheap.

[@metuberob]

if the relative humidity of the heating/cooling area reaches a certain level it can actually stop heat pumps from working effectively thus making it useless

[@BenIsInSweden]

At what level is that? Because in cooling a heat pump acts as a dehumidifier dumping the moisture from the air outside, and with heating, as the temperature rises the more moisture content the air can hold. You might be getting confused with swamp/evaporative coolers, which often get missold as "air conditioning". Their other name is humidifier, because they add moisture to the air, and those have the problem of once you saturate the air with water, no more can be added, so the "cooling" effect doesn't work.

[@exoplanet11]

Excellent report. I'd love to see you crunch the numbers on comparing electric forced air heaters vs. heat pumps, both with and without solar panels. (You'll need to make some assumptions about the net metering policy in place, but if you use CA NEM 3.0 that will be relevant for a lot of people.)

[@平和-v1z]

Greatly explained!

[@superdanu]

how does this all compare (cost, environment etc) with geothermal?

[@Grist]

Geothermal heat pumps are even more efficient than the air source heat pumps that we described in the video -- geothermal is drawing heat from underground, which has a more stable temperature than the air outside. However, it's more expensive to install. Fixr (which estimates rough prices, but you should find exact info from installers) says it's between $12,000-$20,000 for geothermal vs. $5,000-$20,000 for air source: www.fixr.com/costs/heat-pump-installation

[@lxwing]

Does any know how long a heat pump would last compared to a gas furnace?

[@jimmybrad156]

I dare say a well-made gas furnace has less parts to potentially fail.

[@jimmybrad156]

That being said, you should get at least five to ten years from a decent one. 10+ years is a fair expectation.

[@lkw5699]

12 to 15 years. Most have warrantieson compressor for 10 to 12 yrs

[@johnkim1656]

How many years do heat pumps last?

[@rett1015]

15

[@Boodieman72]

3:34 Heat pumps that connect to existing ductwork are more like $4,000 to $6,000 not $10,500

[@chrisE815]

My casual shopping revealed its about 10k. Rebates might take a few grand off that.

[@andrewludwig9251]

Not in today's money!

[@Boodieman72]

@@andrewludwig9251 Yes in today's money. I sell them.

[@mangoesification]

In Ontario there's a $6500 rebate for switching to heat pumps now.

[@TimeInMotionKL]

I wish I could have you install in our remodel. Quotes for an 1800sq' house with ductwork starts at $25K in Maine!

[@ej8710]

Does it work when there is no electricity?

[@rett1015]

No. You will need a generator at least 10KW and probably running on Natural Gas.

[@agaragar21]

Brilliant !!!

[@Dailyvideodrop]

What about the maintenance cost

[@airtale.p]

same as for ACs

[@ChrisLee-yr7tz]

How realistic is a CoP of 4 though? I've seen some real world examples where they are only just getting close to 3.

[@jimmybrad156]

Not to mention when the outdoor unit defrost heating element is running.

[@ChrisLee-yr7tz]

@@jimmybrad156 Would be interesting to know how that went during the recent cold spell...must be sub 3, maybe sub 2...

[@johnzach2057]

These costs are ridiculous. A decent insulated house not in the cold north can easily be heated with two 24000 btu mini splits that cost $1000 each. And instead of replacing your oil or gas system you can use it as backup if temperature drops bellow 5F

[@Gabriel-vz7ml]

Thank you Shannon

[@jimmybrad156]

Keep your gas heating as a backup either way.

[@someidiot4311]

Yes. Most homes with heat pumps usually have backup heat for super cold days when the heat pump cant keep up. Gas is probably a better choice because its cheaper than resistive heating, and if the power goes out, you can run your furnace on a generator. A furnace only uses about 600 watts, most of that being the fan. Resistive heating uses a ton of electricity, more than some generators can produce.

[@luk5827]

Plants need CO2 for photosynthesis. Carbon dioxide helps plants grow faster, larger, and more efficiently by fueling the process of photosynthesis

[@themaverickmechanic7240]

Are we not calculating the cost of generating electricity, maintaining a power grid, and producing the materials to create and maintain electricity generation into the total amount of carbon produced? Perhaps it’s just the magical angry pixies that produce all this carbon free energy.

[@joeyanthony7831]

I like how no one answered your question lol. They don't discuss adult topics

[@mechanicalpirate664]

As a professional auto mechanic I would imagine some problems with the complex parts and controls on this stuff also refrigerant gas used has its own environmental impact she also forgot to mention most electricity is generated by natural gas turbines

[@jimmybrad156]

it won't make bugger all difference to the enivironment :)

[@jimmybrad156]

What's wrong with co2?

[@someidiot4311]

warms the planet

[@paulmaag6958]

This does not review the maintenance costs. Heat pumps last half the time of a gas furnace and can cost double the miniatous. Heat pumps are not as reliable as gas furnaces, due to the compressor electronics complexity. Figure that if you intend on selling your home in 5 years, buy the heat pump. But, if your natural gas is cheap in your area and you will be keeping your house....say over 10 years, go with the gas furnace. My small gas whole house furnace is 23 years old and still works great! Well cared for gas furnaces can last 30 years plus! Heat pumps....well maybe 8-12 years at best, especially the brands that are....well...cheap.

[@phillb9]

There is very little heat available when it is very cold. Most heat pumps use electric heat when it is that cold.Twenty years ago there was no supplemental heat in the units. If you prefer cold, the old ones worked fine.

[@pepehernandez9387]

I agree with you but still cheaper to warm the house with it than electrical resistances

[@andreycham4797]

do not buy American junk, buy something what produce heat at -22 F with 80 percent of nominal capacity without any electric heat strips

[@photo200]

Good video! In terms of heat pumps competing with natural gas economically, as you mention, that doesn't always pencil out, but there's another case that's worth mentioning, which is if you have already installed a solar energy system, especially one with battery storage. Of course, this will also be dependent on geography and how much solar exposure your location receives in winter, but there are many cases where an already existing solar installation can offset a significant fraction of the cost of running the heat pump.

[@GROWNGAS]

Heat pumps are horrible if u expect heat on demand! 20 minutes of cold air until ur refrigerant boils is insane, and adding heat strips to aid with it kills the efficiency. Gas furnace is still the best imo! 🤷💯

[@BERTO3127]

Heat pump don't work at 32 degree. Heat banks are super expensive. Heat pump are not ideal

[@noelburke6224]

A lot of people talking about heat pumps with no experience qualifications or proper information

[@bautista929]

Ok, who is the Community fan on your staff ??😂

[@Grist]

I, Daniel, the video editor, am said fan. 🙋‍♂️

[@bautista929]

@@Grist You're definitely streets ahead 🤙.

[@Grist]

everyone else better catch up, they're streets behind.

[@HuFlungDung2]

Nobody brags about how efficient their air conditioner is at moving heat out of a building but they do brag about how wonderfully they can pump heat in. Truth is, they are very efficient at moving heat from a hot volume into a cooler volume because that is the natural flow. Pushing heat into a hot volume or sucking heat out of a cold volume will NEVER be efficient because thermodynamics forbids it. And the pump sucks energy to reverse the flow. If you try to heat your house from winter air, it's the pump adding its energy consumption in the form of compressive effort that is giving the heat to the gas that you pretend you are 'pumping' in from outside. And the power used by your heat pump is coming from trainloads of electric car fuel. But you might not smell the smoke in your own backyard, so all is green, isn't it?

[@chuckr1951]

If a good heat pump has an HSPF of 9 and operates at that level over your heating season, it is less efficient overall than than a gas furnace. Why? Because delivered electricity is only about 25% efficient. Overall heat pump efficiency at 9 HSPF is not 260% but 67%. For each kWh you consume at the house, 4 kWh enter the environment. In the US natural gas delivery is about 90% efficient. A standard gas furnace converts 80% of that to heating the house. So it's 72% efficient overall. The US electric production is about 65% fossil fuels. So a heat pump uses more energy overall than a natural gas furnace but considerably less fossil fuel energy. Resistive electric heat gets clobbered by both heat pumps and natural gas. Much worse in cost, total energy, and fossil fuel energy. I live in Houston. There's little argument for heat pumps here because natural gas is inexpensive.

[@dann952]

I live in Massachusetts, where operating a heat pump is about 35% more expensive compared to an oil burner. that doesn't take into consideration the install cost of a heat pump, which is massively expensive here.

[@jimmybrad156]

How cold does it get there

[@dann952]

@@jimmybrad156 average temperature while the heat pump is on is 42°F. Usually several days in the single digits.

[@billsmith5166]

They simply aren't being truthful. In states as far south as Iowa, you'll need a backup gas furnace (or heaven forbid, electric coils) to actually heat your home, AND it will be very expensive to run compared to a gas furnace when you're averaging temperatures under 20 degrees. Frankly, in Northern states, you'll NEVER break even heating your home with a heat pump, and it will likely cost you more both in initial cost and future utility bills. These "informational" KZbin videos are a scam. BE CAREFUL!

[@TheDigli]

Isnt a heat pump very noisy?

[@Grist]

We didn't research this question specifically, but the level of noise depends on the make and model of air-source heat pump and what year it was built. For example, the CBC interviewed an HVAC installer who said though older models are louder, newer models are getting as low as 50 db. You can read that article here: www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-heat-pumps-1.6424070 The Bob Vila website had this to say about the noise: "The amount of noise that a heat pump generates varies based on the type of heat pump. Air source and split-ductless heat pumps both have an outdoor fan and compressor. While not aggressively loud like a chainsaw, they can create a constant background hum. The pitch will often rise as the energy demand increases. Many air source or split-ductless units are under 60 decibels, which is much like normal conversation. However, some exceed 70 decibels, which is compared to traffic noise or a vacuum cleaner. As they’re frequently sited on or near an outside wall, the noise level likely has a significant impact on where the unit is positioned. The indoor fan for split-ductless heat pumps is usually very quiet and unlikely to cause noise problems, even in bedrooms. Geothermal heat pumps have no external fan. As a result, many are almost silent and frequently described as 'whisper quiet.'" Link: www.bobvila.com/articles/best-heat-pump/ And here's a video that shows an example of the level of noise: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXynd2iXaZyYgM0

[@pepehernandez9387]

No they are not my house is over 20 years old i came equipped with one n i love. After 20 long years of service without problems. The blower just give up. Thinking to replace it instead of repairing due to units are more efficient and save more more in the long run.

[@djmorgan8783]

She made one good point if people would stop traveling airliners specially the fancy Elite government

[@Gragorg]

Love to know how much carbon it saves not burinng gas when some peoples hydro comes from coal?

[@gweegoop7781]

Wish I was a homeowner so I could install a heat pump rather than natural gas heater.

[@climatecraze]

Gas is better because it makes more CO2 ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH3RgqJuoZJ1fsU

[@chrisE815]

Don't do it. Home ownership sux

[@chesshooligan1282]

@@chrisE815 Agreed completely. Castle ownership is way better.

[@ej8710]

I have gas for heat, hot water and cooking. I pay between $700 and $800 a year. You will bump up you electricity bill significantly.

[@bobbradley8308]

You should really check your facts 2500 square foot home well insulated requires 3 heat pumps and propane back up on a very cold Atlantic winter so again check facts

[@alexanderzaitsev9746]

What about electricity you need to produce for hp? It is coming from fossil fuel, emission still in the air. Besides ducted system still using electric motor to distribute air across the house. Add to that lower efficiency of the hp when temperatures are really cold- and now calculate efficiency. It is make sense to replace electric furnace or oil furnace, but no sense to replace fairly new 95% efficiency natural gas furnace. In Ontario,foe example, electricity rates are among highest in North America, so conclusions are obvious.

[@bobcobb7719]

If you’re worried about carbon then elect a government that imposes sanctions on China and India and recognizes that natural gas is the best transition fuel for those countries. Beyond that at 2.6% of the worlds GHG if you’re in Canada you’re wasting your time with a heat pump as in many parts you’ll still need a gas furnace as a backup since this heat pump can’t handle anything below -20C.

[@StreetcarHammock]

I can see where you’re coming from, but it’s silly to shame India where the average person pollutes a small fraction the amount of the average Canadian.

[@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle]

We have lived with a heat pump in the UK for a year - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqayg6iDaLmZppY This is an air to water system, feeding radiators. Our efficiency is around 296%!

[@jimmybrad156]

6:24 "just a way to speed up the flow of heat" no lol.

[@jimmybrad156]

Unprocessed meats are about the healthiest option you have.. look at history lol.

[@trapmantv.nocopyrightmusic593]

You keep over selling the “1 metric ton” I am assuming in your head electricity is produced and supplied by two naked angels that don’t produce carbon 🌝

[@anthonyspadafora1384]

You are confusing efficiency with cost. You forgot to mention heat pumps last about 12 years in cold climates, that is almost a thousand a year in system cost. Gas furnaces last about 20 years. If your heat pump breaks you have to find a mechanic who is willing to work in 10 degree weather to fix it, I won't. So far this year I have 3 heat pumps running on emergency heat that I will repair in the Spring. You should see the meter spin when they run on backup. You state that heat pumps have an COP of 4 but you forgot to say at what temperature. Most heat pumps are a COP of 3 at 47 degrees and drop rapidly from there, of course all this information is a available on the units performance chart that you forgot to show us. During this last cold snap large portions of the grid were down for days. Many people had no backup heat source. Plumbers will be fixing broken water pipes for months and many homes will have to have the mold removed from water damage. I actually had a millennial home owner tell me when the power was out and his heat pump wouldnt run that he was going to go get some small plug in heaters! The stupidity runs rampant with these young ones. If you live in the Carolinas or below a heat pump is ok but if you live in an area where you could freeze to death during a snowstorm power outage, think Buffalo, you are being fooled. I could go on and on about crankcase heaters after an outage, Defrost times taking away from your hourly BTU output, etc etc. I have been installing heat pumps for 40 years in PA.They work great to take the chill off during the shoulder seasons but for a main heating system, never.

[@Boz1211111]

Yes good info, they are good but as you say backup is important. Seems like wood would be viable backup, since it doesnt need grid power and you can store it in case you need it

[@anthonyspadafora1384]

@@Boz1211111 Wood is good...if you're home. I have a handfull of customers that are snowbirds, living out the winter in Florida. They have wifi stats that send me a message if the system goes down.

[@d1427]

saving on CO2 emissions? Where is this irrational obsession coming from- any idea how much CO2 occurs naturally in the atmosphere?

[@gargargargary]

Absolutely GREAT Video!!!

[@GoPappy419]

Its sad that your climate preaching does not give a full account/explanation of the actual carbon that is created by the power company to produce the kilowatt's it takes to run a Heat pump if you were to replace your current gas/electric home air conditioning system. if you would take the time to make this comparison to your followers, they may be more willing to spend the additional 50% it takes to install a engineered heat pump system for their home.

[@invest_in_dogecoin6398]

I’m going to be honest I do not give a flying hoot about carbon emissions

[@phil1677]

Natural gas is cheaper to heat a home

[@DirectorJK]

Keep talking about Carbon emissions. Do you pay for that in America? Why would you care ?

[@mickm5768]

Would love a presentation like this that is carbon free, meaning get rid of the religious BS, and let’s just talk physics. She’s not even correct on the CO2 because electricity increase demand means a lot more CO2 in the air.

[@jimmybrad156]

Cheaper to get a rocket heater put in. Clean too. Ash and co2 and water. Nothing wrong with co2.

[@jimmybrad156]

Nothing wrong with carbon.

[@Retired_Radio_Ron]

And what happens when electricity bills start to increase dramatically with EV units plugged in to more homes. And can the electric grid handle it 5 years down the road? Stuck with no electricity is not an option. Get your heads out of the sand!

[@airwalk247]

lol, George Clooney.

[@sneekeypeekers936]

once fossil fuels are removed completely we are gonna be at the mercy of the electic suppliers as there will be no competition to keep prices down , you keep talking about cutting carbon ( currently carbon dioxide levels are at .04 % , if we bring it down to zero wont we kill off all plants/vegetation , guess all the climate protesters want the vegans to starve ) but let me ask you this , if going electric is so cheap . then why does the price of electric go up as we cut fossil fuel . mine went up 50% in one year ( thanks to our current administration ) . it went from 8.95 cents per KWH to 14.89 cents per KWH . your numbers dont make sense , how about some actual examples of actual installs or even better show us some fuels bill comparisons .

[@BenIsInSweden]

How does Gas provide competition to electricity to keep prices down? 🤔

[@ducharmehvactraining925]

don't forget about the monster cost of Heat Pump repair..... if and when something goes wrong

[@streetfighterguy1909]

Yes, I just had mine go out on my house and the tech said it was either the 4 way valve or a compressor issue. Quoted repair cost with labor was 3500-4500 dollars on a unit that cost 1600 dollars.

[@ducharmehvactraining925]

@@streetfighterguy1909 thanks for the input

[@joselosbarston197]

Jesus Christ loves you and He is coming soon. Believe in Him before is too late.

[@ChrisLee-yr7tz]

Get a life. And an education.

[@mmcclen9]

Please explain how you concluded heat pumps (running on electricity) save CO2 emissions. A majority of electricity in the United States is generated using Coal and Natural Gas. The most efficient natural gas fired combined-cycle combustion turbine generating stations is barely 70% efficient, also consider line losses getting the electricity to your house, the supposed 300% efficiency of heat pumps is highly inflated. Coal fired plants are even less efficient, being in the 30 to 40% efficiency range. They are only practical because coal is very cheap. It is more efficient to burn the natural gas at the house, verses at a central generating stations, as most home electrical appliances have very low energy efficiency, such as electric water heaters, stoves, ovens, and furnaces. Figures lie and liars figure. Please educate yourself on how the electric grid actually works. Modern A/C electricity must be created on demand, it's does not magically appear at your home.

[@dantheman822]

Truth, thanks for telling it like it is. We live in a world of reality.

[@Boodieman72]

When using a heat pump it's more efficient so even with a 40% transmission line loss you still end up at getting 100% efficiency out of the natural gas. The best energy solution is nuclear but no one wants to hear that.

[@joe3276865536]

You have a valid point and her statements were debatable, but look where the puck is going. In our state, coal usage went down from 53% in 2011 to 27% in 2021. It's on its way out. If one were to purchase a heat pump today, it's only going to "generate" less CO2 as time goes by. The same cannot be said for a natural gas furnace.

[@tomkacandes8286]

Accounting is good, but ask yourself why your review tries to account only for losses and GWP of electricity production and does not put any effort into accounting for losses and GWP impact (net CO2 equivalent) of any existing heat source? Oil or natural gas ALSO do not “magically appear at your home” and both have enormous impacts in extraction, processing, compression (for NG uses huge amounts of NG) massive fugitive methane emissions all along every stage of producing and delivering any other heating fuel (less so wood, but yes, even wood, esp. pellets). Once they have created massive pollution getting to your house they get burned at 50% to 85% efficiency, since we are talking only about the “real world” - just ask a boiler technician and understand the physics of chimneys when “educating yourself”, building science and net air infiltrations and exfiltration when combustion appliances are used, too. Just because you don’t like the conclusion, don’t give a lame one-tenth of a comparison and act righteous - it’s not useful and beneath you if you can understand even the amount you seem to about electricity.

[@chesshooligan1282]

How can an electric water heater be inefficient? If the supposedly-lost energy isn't transformed into thermal energy, where does that energy go? Kinetic energy? Potential energy?

[@meatyogergaming5865]

Heat pumps don’t work in cold weather below 32 degrees

[@Boodieman72]

Air-source heat pumps work to -22F

[@Boodieman72]

@@Etacovda63 Not at all, in fact the R410a works just fine at those temperatures.

[@billybell6950]

Good points about flying on jumbo jets as compared to smartly choosing home heating and cooling devices. We always see these hypocrites fly into the climate meetings. They could've just had a zoom conference instead. That tells me it's all a big lie with an agenda other than climate.

[@PeterParker-ot8pl]

Until the power goes out because, well, you know..... Ill stick with my gas furnace backed up by my wood stove TY very much!

[@BenIsInSweden]

You might want to see what happens to your gas furnace if you flip the main breaker to your house.

[@PeterParker-ot8pl]

@@BenIsInSweden thats why i said wood fire backup there tips......

[@BenIsInSweden]

@@PeterParker-ot8pl you don't need to remove the wood stove to get a heat pump though, so not sure what your original point was then. 🤷🏻

[@PeterParker-ot8pl]

@@BenIsInSweden why drop $8-20k on a heat pump...... A tech that will cause your elec bill to skyrocket as more and more people go elec for everything. Cost of electricity is only going UP. Until our weak gov start building nuclear plants every 1000km! Ill stick with gas backed up by wood TY very much!

[@rodneyliu420]

she is so cute

[@JasonRasmussen]

Tell me your politics without telling me your politics.

[@wishwise0]

Please explain this 300-400% efficiency. This doesn't make sense with any consistency. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Basic thermodynamics laws are pissed off at you now.

[@Grist]

The difference is that while traditional heat sources (natural gas, electric resistance, etc.) are literally making heat inside a house, a heat pump is moving already existing heat from outside to inside. When it's cold, there's still some heat in the air. Heat pumps are able to take that heat from outside and move it inside. And the electrical energy that it uses to move it inside gets as low as 1/3 - 1/4 the amount of heat generated. If you want an in-depth explanation on how it works, This Old House put out a really top-notch explainer on how heat pumps work: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6e4aqtpmauAqLc

[@climatecraze]

And that's how propaganda works. Instead they should talk about data, like this ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iH3RgqJuoZJ1fsU

[@jimmybrad156]

I think she means coefficient of performance (COP) meaning how much heat is moves compared to electricity, in watts, via refrigeration. A bit like you pay some one $25/hr to do $50/hr worth of work lol.

[@vincentput]

Electricity is normally 3 times more expensive than fuel oil per kWh (now up to 6 times)... And a lot of it is generated by fossil fuel plants... so yes magical tech but there are so many "but's"

[@vincentput]

*in Western Europe