What's Wrong With Springtrap (And How I'd Redesign Him) - Speedpaint!

[@hexasnexus2561]

It does look pretty good, but I think it might look better if you gave the skeleton a more decayed sort of brown withered dead kind of look. Maybe even have some decayed skin hanging off or have some of the bones be missing in a few places. You know, just a little suggestion.

[@skeletonking1]

Well since for the average persons body needs to decompose for around 10 years to only be a skeleton so 30 years later there can't be any skin or anything but yes some extra skin would be nice

[@DrMako-jo6bf]

Helpful tidbit, Afton/ Scraptrap is a redesign. Just like the Withereds. It's the same character but redesigned for the style. Proof from the Withereds is that at the end of FNaF2 the newspaper mentions the old model usage. And Burntrap explains why Afton is a redesign as while Burntrap has a more detailed look, still has flesh globs, a red skull flesh thing, and wire flesh. The foot exists.

[@Me-wx1mt]

the thing is, scott isn't great at modelling humans, AND this model was only meant to be seen in a very dark environment, and you weren't seeing very much of it at that. PLUS the way that the springlocks work, they would have slid the endo skeleton back into place, replacing Afton's skeleton. Every bone in his body would be shattered, which (to me at least) explains why it's just entrails. but this was a pretty good video, and your design is pretty good.

[@nickytembo4112]

But do you still prefer the original design or Freyla’s redesign?

[@Me-wx1mt]

@@nickytembo4112 oh definitely freyla's

[@nickytembo4112]

@@Me-wx1mt Why not Scott’s?

[@Me-wx1mt]

@@nickytembo4112 it's not that his design is bad, just out of the two I prefer freyla's

[@DrMako-jo6bf]

Finished the video, gotta say, lovely take. Though I still believe the corpse to be mummified. That's what Afton/Scraptrap was going for as a redesign, but unfortunately Scott isn't too good at modeling humans. And yes, despite a few comments mentioning that the springlocks would have crushed his whole ribcage. No. We know that William in the books (although not canon, still function the same) survived a springlock failure and left him scarred. While I'm not saying his ribs would be complete fine, sure some plastic and metal would break a few bones, I do actually like your design. And I really gotta know. Spring Bonnie is yellow... can yellow fabric turn green from mold and wet surroundings?

[@freylaverse]

Ah, I believe the intent was for the corpse to be mummified as well! But I don't think that would've been possible in such a damp environment. As for the yellow-to-green change... I don't really know! I'm a microbiologist, but I only really work with E. coli and slime mould. Never your run-of-the-mill fabric-infesting mould. I suppose it could, depending on the kind of mould! EDIT: And thank you for pointing out the survivability of springlock failure. That was bugging me about some of the comments but I didn't want to be a "Well, actually" content creator. :P

[@DrMako-jo6bf]

@@freylaverse oh glad to help. I figured he'd have to be mummified on the count of the fact that people have discovered the corpse and sealed in the room. So I'm thinking that since the suit covers most of William's body, and the room is his tomb, it would preserve skin, maybe thin skin, but yes. Also I shall never stop telling people that William Afton has a cleft chin, so take what you can with this info. You've done a great job in this video and I'm happy to have found you

[@Foggy-yr9zt]

In my opinion springtraps design is already perfect

[@brickysky1602]

Love the redesign. What I would do for some finishing touches is add a rust look on some of the metal and put old blood stains/discoloration on parts of the suit and put a lot of blood stains on the bottom end and legs.

[@bbdanny]

yup, the suit should totally have a skeleton inside of it, this is a very good redesign

[@jeremiahthornton7938]

You intrigued me when you said Afton was a flat, uninteresting character. Might I ask why? What I assume is that you're commenting on the fact that he does not adapt as the story goes on and he has too little about him that's human. If so, I can see that. Lecture Mode: I think Scott should have looked into psychology to better understand his character, which I did for my headcanon. Afton is a high-functioning sociopath. He exhibits all the signs, including narcissism, manipulative tendencies, violent outbursts, and quite possibly a substance problem. No, really! People with ASPD (antisocial personality disorder) are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol. Well, that and engaging in risky behavior. My hunch is that Afton was abused as a child, which is a huge risk factor in the development of ASPD. Who knows? Maybe his first kill was one of his parents? Focusing on these details immediately makes Afton more interesting. Though there is still a problem: his thorough heartlessness. Afton is a fudging monster, no question about it! But even then, he is still human and needs at least a shred of a heart. People with ASPD can form emotional bonds, but only to certain people. Afton may not give a crap about his kids, and he doesn't, but he does care about his wife. "The Immortal and The Restless" suggests this. It also paves the way for his conscience. Giving Afton a conscience, even a weak one, instantly makes him a more realistic character. Another way to make him more realistic is this: make him want to seek community. People with ASPD more actively seek out intimate social interactions as they grow older. Afton seems to be doing this. He's getting older, and like all rotten bastards, he's getting lonely. Maybe his recruiting Vanny was not just to continue his work? After spending 15-30 years sealed in a hidden room and being in a coma in an underground pizzeria for God knows how long, of course he'd be lonely. Anywho, that's all I have to say.

[@freylaverse]

Hi Jeremiah! I really enjoyed reading your comment. Lots of people hear my (admittedly niche) opinions about FNAF and immediately go on the defensive, so I appreciate you sharing your headcanon without trying to force it on me as the absolute truth, haha! It should be said that when I criticize Afton for being flat and uninteresting, I am referring specifically to the canon William Afton with no extra bells and whistles. I have my own set of headcanons that do make him more well-rounded, and I don't doubt that others have done the same. However, I like to keep these headcanons out of mind when I'm making content that isn't specifically about my headcanons. You're absolutely right about ASPD! I'm not a psychologist (just a biologist) but it is an interest of mine. Your headcanons seem well thought-out, and I'd love to hear more about them! My criticisms about Afton are specifically towards the canon content I've gleaned from the games, and not towards anyone's interpretation of him. :)

[@jeremiahthornton7938]

Thank you, @@freylaverse. And yes, it's best that we keep our headcanons separate from the lore instead of mashing them together. I learned that the hard way.

[@Vanessa-id3de]

Finely some won understands the logic of springtraps corpse or more like skeleton

[@Leonardoffical]

You know Scott is ass about modeling humans?

[@Privated_1]

no one hates springtrap at all

[@MrGoober6512]

I know that she just a Springtrap hater 😤

[@idontknowwhatmynameis8525]

My only complaint is really the lack of Endo skeleton.he kidda just looks…looks like a skeleton cosplaying as him.I think maybe you should make it we’re both the endo skeleton and the bone are visible

[@freylaverse]

It breaks the immersion for me to do that. It just wouldn't realistically happen that way. :(

[@crusaderciaran3252]

@@freylaverse it kinda would- in the phone calls it says that the springlocks move backwards out of place so that a human can fit inside. The whole reason afton died inside the springlock suit is because the endoskeleton moved back into place, crushing his own skeleton. There would be some bones left, but not an entire skeleton.

[@freylaverse]

@@crusaderciaran3252 The springlocks are not part of the endoskeleton, they attach onto an endoskeleton. If there were an endoskeleton pulled aside, then no one would ever survive a springlock failure because - as you say - the skeleton would be crushed. However, as my timeline attempts to be a middleground between the books and the games, and the book canon states that it is possible to survive a springlock failure with only body scarring, the only way for this to be possible is if the springlocks do not move an existing endoskeleton into place, but rather try to lock onto whatever is already in there. Hence why I included the crossbeams and other animatronic devices that were NOT part of an endoskeleton (like in the arm).

[@CottonArsonist]

Cool idea but i feel like it makes him look less terrifying, Springtrap's main points of being terrifying is that he's the rotting corpse of a serial killer mutilated inside of a decrepit old rabbit costume. His eyes still being lit and him forcing his suit around contrasts the other animatronic's more robotic movements and blank eyes. Having a skeleton in a rabbit costume just looks more goofy than actually scary.

[@freylaverse]

I hear ya'! For me, if the scare factor isn't believable, I can't be scared by it. So, seeing entrails draped randomly over an endoskeleton... Just wouldn't happen. So I have a hard time actually being immersed with that, haha! Not saying everything has to be realistic (it is a ghost story after all) but I think the not-supernatural bits need to be more believable!

[@CottonArsonist]

@@freylaverse I understand, a nice mix of realism and fantasy can be terrifying when doing a character design. Especially with a series like fnaf where it's all about making real things have a supernatural life to it. But i personally always find Springtrap's character to be quite creepy, at least in pizzaria simulator during the salvage parts. Just something about having a large motionless suit in front of you which has a known killer inside of it, perfectly willing and capable of just attacking you at every moment while their eyes are covered by the shadows of the room lit by only a single light source is just terrifying. Especially with his voice being as it is, sinister and weirdly sophisticated.

[@freylaverse]

@@CottonArsonist Oh, fr? I thought his voice sounded really funny, haha! I always headcanoned the games taking place in Australia (by reason of timing and minimum wage values), and the books set them in the midwestern United States I believe, so Afton being British is super hilarious to me. I came up with this idea that he was Aussie but watched too much British TV and picked up the accent from there; then I found out the voice actor was Aussie and picked up the British accent from TV! :P

[@CottonArsonist]

@@freylaverse Best headcanon ever honestly, PJ Heywood's amazing voice acting has became 1000x better. I can see how it'd seem funny, but theres just something about how Springtrap says things that just sends chills down my spine.

[@hyoroga86]

when are we getting that afton character analysis

[@hyoroga86]

this is a very good design but some rotted meat would go a long way in helping the color palette, doesn’t feel like springtrap without a bit of red

[@freylaverse]

Haha, eventually! It's application season right now so I'm a bit swamped and in-depth video creation is a somewhat lower priority! But I will get around to it one of these days!

[@danibrooks8763]

It looks good, but he isn’t creepy and/or uncanny as he was

[@freylaverse]

Hi! I have found over the years that I simply do not experience the concept of "uncanny" like most people, which affects the way I perceive horror! That's why I prioritized realism in this redesign!

[@Notkryo]

@@freylaverse I know it's been a month but I think you could have given him small human eyes like novel springtrap instead of the anime girl eyes he has in the games.

[@freylaverse]

@@Notkryo Haha, I did consider giving him humanlike eyes actually! The reason I decided against it is because when a body decays, the eyes are generally one of the first parts to rot away.

[@jamesr5436]

Its a good design! But what would hold him together? Wouldn’t he just crumble?

[@freylaverse]

Realistically, yeah, haha! He totally would! I'm leaving that one up to the supernatural forces at play. :P

[@RonnieMcNutt_Mindblowing]

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[@YTOH_RANGE]

Bruv springtrap DOES NOT NEED TO BE REDESGNED! Is the other springtraps that REALLY need to be redesigned in terms of inconsistence. SPICIFICLY SCRAPTRAP!

[@freylaverse]

Nah lol none of them are believable I've been saying this for like eight years