What's Wrong with the Jaguar IPace?

Jaguar IPace is a beautiful all electric SUV with a 200 mile range that apparently not many people want and I don't understand why. InsideEV's Tom Moloughney is here to shed some light on this phenomenon in his weekly segment "Plugged-in with Tom Moloughney"
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[@lorilassen6376]

SO much more attractive, inside and out, than the Tesla. Just ordered mine. Can't wait!

[@attella-dh9en]

You wont be disappointed I promise. Had tesla and its garbage compared to jaguar I pace. They are talking about technology )))) well I dont get impressed by the cars ability to fart . I-pad on wheels.

[@777Outrigger]

My wife just read a book about when trains where being first introduced into the Western World. Detractors were saying they would easily explode and kill people, that it was unhealthy for the human body to travel at 40 mph, that chickens would stop laying and cows stop giving milk if located near train tracks, etc., etc. Sound familiar? The book ends with the ceremony at a town celebrating it's first train service, and many people came to jeer and taunt. But when they saw the train, and saw it operate, they were amazed, and suddenly they were all for it. Electric cars are coming.

[@hunterm915]

60k for a car that can’t leave my city? No thanks I’ll take a Tesla

[@pinkelephants1421]

Well, for those who can afford a $60,000•00 car given all the excellent points Tom made, why would most of them settle for less than a Tesla? The IPace seems like a decent car but for the money I'd want the best bang for my buck.

[@81chrisling]

Peter S cos it's a great looking car, fits perfectly into the European market. The interior bears a lot of competition and it's different to the Tesla inside and out. Not everyone likes the Tesla so much

[@pinkelephants1421]

@@81chrisling Well that's a fair assessment. There tends to be quite a difference between the European & American sense of aesthetics. The European aesthetic sensibility also applies to Australasia. For example, Jaguars are often offered as prizes in raffle tickets, competitions etc. If nothing else, when you get into a Jag the sense of luxury & build quality is immediately apparent. My uncle had one & it was beautiful - inside and out.

[@pinkelephants1421]

@John W That's a fair assessment.

[@tony_25or6to4]

@John W lower price, longer range, and more efficient. That would make the Tesla a better choice in every country.

[@frankharper9664]

I agree with the arguments presented in this excellent video. I am an I Pace owner and really love the car. One drive would help many people decide. Reasons for slower sales in my opinion are: most people know nothing about them as there is little effort to advertise or educate, fear of Jaguar reliability issues, though electric cars have far fewer parts to fail, initial software issues with the first models (lag, black screens) which have been solved, limits with public fast chargers (EVgo, Greenlots, Electrify America etc.) which include charging numbers and reliability, all improving, but not anywhere close to Tesla network. If EVs are to succeed, everyone will need to be all in. Build the fast charging networks and they will come.

[@micahb543]

People can not afford them! People are in sticker shock on ICE cars as well right now. Economy is booming but that cost of all vehicles right now are outrageous!

[@billycan8852]

I Drove the I pace and it was an OK car . I drove the Tesla and it was the best car I had ever driven by far . So I bought a Tesla and love it :-)

[@gillespelletier9161]

Drove a tesla it was good and fast ride. Cross the road and bought a leaf plus nice smooth and silent ride. Fast is over rated in traffic.

[@RPalmieri]

Gilles Pelletier I think differently. I drive a Porsche now, and a Model 3 is on its way. I do not drive fast 99,99% of the time, but a fast car is nice in traffic. If you need to change lanes but the traffic next to you does not allow it, give a little bit of gas (electrons), pass the traffic and change lanes. Easy.

[@Bikerbug2020]

Billy Can - Drove the i-Pace an thought it was nice, but what is a turn-off is the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ nose bleed price, and doesn’t have the cool autopilot features, nor the range. 240 miles is paltry and compared to the 240 mile Tesla is twice the price. So, they need to lower the cost to $40,000 grand and they would stand a chance.

[@techboy95]

@@gillespelletier9161 living with a Tesla is so much better then living with a leaf. Speed is not high on the list of the top reasons to buy a Tesla for me.

[@techboy95]

@@RPalmieri the new leaf's are not slow cars either and with that instant torque are still great for passing

[@nigelweir3852]

Been in the ipace top spec 72000 pounds . Looks brilliant inside and out , but why pay this sort of money for a 2019 ev that can just about do 200 miles in the real world with a Tesla that can do 300 miles for significantly less money with high end tesla dearer but still the range and charging situation worth the difference alone

[@aldeflorio5500]

Maybe it's because the I-Pace is a much nicer car than any Tesla.

[@jujitsuboy730]

I got my Model 3 in July of last year.... Still loving it and zero problems 👍🏼

[@2CommaClub]

Same, best car ever hands down. Every other car is just an embarrassment.

[@EufardCooper]

It seems like Tesla vehicles are where Apple’s IPads use to be. People did not want “tablets”, they wanted “IPads”. Many legacy car manufactures seem to be in the offering “tablets” phase.

[@EufardCooper]

Bill Cichoke Yes. In the meantime Apple increased their market share and customer loyalty via their ecosystem and customer service. Tesla has the ecosystem (charging stations), but needs to focus on customer loyalty i.e. customer services....

[@mattdecandia9607]

This is for Bill 2. 7 million ev sales world wide compared to 50ish thousand a few years ago I’d call that a change or a new trend maybe not trendy Tesla is selling 100000 a month up 130% year over year everyone wants a ev just not everyone knows it yet Rivian and Ford are going to cement that and auto company’s will turn a much larger profit because the won’t lose so much in warranty work hence auto prices will eventually go lower I do believe who would have guessed people would talk about electric vehicles via the internet on tablets

[@jaroessa294]

This is for Matt. In 2018, U.S. sales of PHEV/EV's combined were only ~2% of all car sales as Americans snubbed EV's. 98% of car buyers still preferred buying an ICEV for it's convenience and complete feature-set, to serve as their principal vehicle for transportation. Tesla had LESS than 1% of the market in 2018. Auto industry analysts forecast that 2019 will be much of the same, with EV's only getting 2% market share in the U.S. as tax-incentives dry up; and according to the latest numbers for EV sales through July, they seem to be correct. Likewise for Tesla sales figures through July, they also seem to be on track to only snag another 1% of the market share for 2019. EV's just aren't "there" yet for the vast majority of consumers.

[@tommornini2470]

💯 A Tesla isn’t an EV in the same way an touch operated BlackBerry wasn’t an iPhone. Tesla has redefined what a car is: electric and very, very smart. Traditional automakers appear to believe that “It’s just like a regular car, but electric” is an advantage. Just like BlackBerry thought those silly little keys were so important to people.

[@tommornini2470]

Bill Cichoke Apple missed the chance to be more successful? Last I looked they were one of, if not THE, most valuable companies ever. You, sir, are a Spin Doctor!

[@holygod3737]

Tesla created a brand n their technology is above all others.

[@attella-dh9en]

Ya but Tesla's are shitty quality and looks like frog

[@nelsonpagan5163]

Hello; The DEALERSHIP don't want to sale it. And the worse part, ipace was supposed Tesla Killer, not their on dealership wanted to kill it.

[@MikeN5]

I agree, I went into a dealer and they were not too excited to talk to me about it. Claimed they sold 3 per month but I have never seen one on the road in the area. They only had the top end models in stock so they told me it was 90k.

[@SeriouslyJaded]

Nelson Pagan no manufacturer has ever claimed their BEV is a “Tesla killer“. That is just a silly click bait phrase used by the stupid press and bloggers.

[@nelsonpagan5163]

@@SeriouslyJaded if you want to get technical Fisker Auto was the first to said (Tesla Killer) then the Media (NBC, CNBC, etc.) Then some bloggers.

[@teslapit]

Just was in London and visited a big Jaguar showroom - no iPace there to watch ... even as an interested Tesla driver I was not able to see it - disapointing

[@walterk8602]

I have had my I pace for 1 month now and driven 3500km.(2200m). Every km has been just wonderful and I don't think I'll lose that feeling for a long while if ever. I have kept one of the trip meter going since I got the car and my overall consumption has been 22.7kwhr/100km or approximately 370km (231m) It would be possible to go further but it isn't easy to hold back.. It doesn't want to go slow. (or is that me) The GOM has surprised me with how accurate it is. After driving return trip of 260km into Sydney and back the GOM showed 120km so I decided to go to a charger 70km away. The trip was up a 500 meter steep grade and a gradual rise of 200 metres after that. Never having depleted the battery to this level before, I was a bit worried, however, we arrived with 11% left and the GOM showed 37km.

[@Rickster8560]

Too expensive and the range is not high enough!

[@daviddahan3204]

What’s wrong? One word: range. I test-drove it. Nice car. Good looking. Don’t know if they are going to offer OTA updates. Regardless, driving any electric vehicle with only a 200 mile range (worse in the winter) is like driving a car that has half a gas tank and takes hours to fill up. Shame. Nice car. But they missed the bullseye rather significantly by not designing it to go over 300 miles.

[@chrisbeale9022]

I own an I Pace. It has covered just over 10,000 miles with zero faults and it’s a great car. Early battery software wasn’t great, but current software gives 250-270 miles to a charge and there is a software range update coming too. Before I ordered the I Pace I test drove a Model X and thought it was OK, but the Jaguar is in a different class in terms of build quality. Jaguar will build many more electric cars and they will improve their electric technology, but Tesla has to improve its car manufacturing which is a much bigger challenge. JLR makes its profit on expensive luxury cars, sales of which have plummeted in China, a market where they are unlikely to sell electric vehicles. They have no high volume small car inertia which manufacturers need to balance their cash flow and lead customers to more expensive products. The I Pace will become a classic in the long term, but it will take time. Give Jaguar some kudos for producing a brilliant car and see what they do next.

[@darriontunstall3708]

I love the jaguar I pace, I want a Mercedes eqc or jaguar I pace for my first car! I’m 29 I have cerebral palsy I use a walker and wheelchair I’m going to a special program that teaches people with disabilities how to drive, I know I will learn how to drive with lots of hard work! I love Electric cars!!! My thoughts, if the car dealer is not for sure of a question for a coustom, they can do like I do go to google or KZbin and ask the question and it will Broke it down!

[@zahidsha433]

Sales dip is probably because there are no more federal tax credits fo tesla.

[@gsmith2520]

Only 1875 for rest of 2019. Not as good as 3750, so yeah.

[@gualterfernandes5413]

The problem is simple: RANGE - CONSUME - SOFTWARE LAG AND OUTDATED. For me I-Pace is the best design electric car. But that Points destroy the car.

[@pasoundman]

Harry's Garage made an excellent review of the I-Pace for KZbin which I can recommend. In short, Pros: nice, engaging car to drive with good looks. Cons: absurdly high price, limited interior space. poor range due to high electricity consumption, inconvenience of non-Tesla charging infrastructure.

[@xavierStark84]

Ohh man! Jaguar is a small manufacturer? You know who is TATA motors? OMG. No advertising? what about that false ad with the Model X? They don't want to sell it, that's the reality. You know who is small and tiny? The T brand. Jaguar/Land-Rover? please don't tell us jokes.

[@mikesl1573]

As you say the I-pace is fantastic to drive in every way. I have had one for 4 months and have had a few minor software problems and like a computer, you turn it off and on again and all is fine I am getting 240 miles on a full charge and I think the UK proposition is different from the USA in that because we are so much smaller and the average weekly drive is 250 week a home charger is perfect Irrespective of preference for traditional interior of a Jaguar or the Apple look of a Tesla, in the UK a lot of people will have a problem with a Tesla in t

[@canadiandronepilot7535]

I ran into a Jaguar I pace owner at a Costco recently. I asked him how does he like the car? He replied, "it's ok, but the range kind of sucks compared to a Model X. I may just be trading this in soon.. kinda disappointed.'

[@youferrer]

I own both. IPace HSE (black with white interior) top of the line, $70K (discounted $85 list 0% APR) and Model 3 standard range plus with (also black with white interior) and a few options for $45K. I have far more toys on the Jag (heated/cooled) leather seats with a billion way adjustments, Heads up display, Carplay and Android Auto -- I really like that, even a heated windshield -- why, I don't know. Both cars have Auto Pilot (Teslas is better in that it can "find" the lane much quicker (around 3 seconds versus 10+ seconds), but once the lane is found, they are both about the same. Tesla interior is very inferior to the Jag. It better be for the price difference. The Jag is faster, the Model 3 would beat it on 0-60 if I got the performance variant, but that would raise the price to $60K. Right now the Tesla network (in the US) is better but that's changing fast with Electrify America building out and others. It's like the early days between iPhone and Android so I don't the network as a plus or minus. Range on the IPace is 220 summer (90+ degrees every day) 240 spring/fall. The model 3 is around the same. The Model 3 is a great car, the Jag is more of a competitor to the Model X/S, although the IPace is more or a CUV. It's not advertised much at all in the US, and a Jag is viewed as uber expensive and not looked at by most consumers. The dealers suck as they don't know the car, the finance guy tried to sell me extended service (free oil changes!) LOL. I told them that you should take one of the IPaces and add it to the loaner fleet. I think if people actually drove it they would be very pleasantly surprised. I found the Model 3 interior cheap and bland but the exterior is nice and it's fun to drive. Model 3 build quality is nowhere as bad as you may hear (it's fine actually -- 0 issues). The seats are cheap plastic foam (you have to give up something when you get that much of a high tech electric car for $45K). The IPace's software was awful when it first came out, the latest fixed nearly all of the bugs. IPace has 3 screens compared to 1. I prefer the the heads up 3 screens combo to the 1 large screen. As for charging, the IPace can handle 100 and the Tesla 125 (I think). Here's an odd thing. Because the battery is smaller on the Tesla, it starts to slow down much earlier, so to fully fast charge the cars the time difference isn't as much as you might think. In hindsight we should have opted for the long range on the Tesla. Alex -- I saw an IPace with a red leather seats/black interior with black Alcantara roof line and steering wheel, paired with 22" carbon fiber rims. OMG. Had I saw that before I would have gotten that one.

[@JohnDoe-vx3z]

It's mainly the price.

[@johngord752]

The problem is the price. You are paying luxury car prices for a mid priced car in most respects with the exception of being all electric. The prices will come down eventually as battery cell prices come down. I think Tesla's are garbage so I will never consider them until quality and service and parts availability improve considerably.

[@itsfahys]

Excellent discussion on the Jaguar Ipace. Just shows though how far Tesla is ahead of the competition. They need to Get their Finances sorted though, if they want to be around in the long term.

[@Clarkeyrules1]

Tom gets 100 miles more range in his Model 3? Odd because every real world test puts them far far closer to that ... in fact Tesla’s rarely reach anywhere close to their advertised range in the real world

[@Thereishope664]

If you want a car with panel gaps like air vents buy a Tesla. If you want quality buy an I-Pace.

[@drsbcooper]

I have the 2020 IPace, the best car EVER. Tried Tesla, wasnt impressed. Biggest Issue with Ipace - 1. Dealerships not ready for the technology - many people who have issues, it turns never had the newest downloads installed which creates issues. The dealerships need help. 2. Lack of FASTCHARGERS ! need more support.Outside of that, oh my, everyday I get comments, the car is gorgeous and drives like a dream!

[@doThatGWalk]

Do you still drive this?

[@michaelcavalier8750]

A 36 -month lease is about $1000.00/month for the least expensive version. I would not buy a Jaguar until they have proven to be reliable. It's way too much money.

[@XeroBritt]

The iPace is built in Austria, not Coventry in England.

[@bruintoo]

Jaguar is a niche market, that’s why. I came off of an A3 e-tron lease and purchased an I-Pace instead of the Audi e-tron. What can I say, compared to the e-tron, it’s a bespoke EV, more range, faster, handles better, and better looking. Audi buyers are a loyal lot, but the Jaguar I-Pace was able to convince me to jump ship because it’s a fantastic car. I do not want. Tesla for a variety of reasons. Also, I think Jaguar only invites “proper” journalists to their events. So...

[@aquissuk]

I agree with a lot of Toms comments. I've been a mercedes owner for 18 years, currently in an E Class. After waiting so long for the EQC, I thought I would pop into Jaguar (Hatfields, Shrewsbury, UK) and look at the I-Pace. The dealer knew all the questions, the car was amazing to drive. Literally getting into the car sells it. They are missing a trick in the US if they not getting people into test drives.

[@cawfeedawg]

I am not sure why its not selling but I do know the range and price keep it off of my radar and tbh I dont like what a jaguar would say about me culturally.. Jags feel like cars old people drive.

[@randycox798]

These cars cost way to much money. Cars should not be over $30000.00 dollars working class can not afford them.

[@NAY2GAS]

They don’t have the charging network.

[@EforElectric]

They don't need to. Electrify America is the fast charging network for CCS compatible EVs.

[@mattdecandia9607]

There’s 80000. Yes eighty thousand public charging stations in the us and every house is a charging network and then Tesla has theirs electric is the way to go ice cars are just yesterday’s car and the I pace is a absolutely incredible 1st ev from a legend of a car company

[@gillespelletier9161]

In Canada supercharger network is so bad you're better with any other EV.

[@grouchomagic]

My neighbor bought one, and the computer is not working correctly, and it's been in the shop 3 times for incorrect mileage readings.

[@baenzifly]

i-Pace and e-tron - the two Tesla killer. ROFL

[@youferrer]

Porsche is a big threat, they also have fan boys.

[@youferrer]

@goodfella21f you do realize that Porsche is either the most profitable or second most per car in the world. Tesla loses money. They will need to turn that around soon or they will get bought out and become some companies subsidiary. And that would be the end of that.

[@youferrer]

@goodfella21f as of last year Tesla lost around $12K per car, Porsche made around $19K.

[@benjaminforest1176]

some people have the money and wish to buy tesla but they cant, and why they cant? becouse tesla doesnt sell in their country! (for example israel).So... i-Pace and even e-Tron is what is available for them.. its better than nothing..i think that the saving grace will not come to the world from tesla, but rather from other car manufacturers.when i see small renault Zoe or cheap-ish nissan leaf, i am more happy than tesla for 50$K becouse expensive cars do not help the environment as much as cheap and still electric cars..

[@timber8403]

I got to check this car out recently and it is a real head turner...I find most cars and suvs really boring to look at these days , if the range was better the I Pace would be the clear choice for me...

[@earlpottinger671]

Honest question, would the range matter if it was 20K less? It is no touring car, but it would make a good city car in my opinion.

[@KitelessRex]

A friend of mine just got an iPace and loves it. I got to sit in it for a while and he gave me a tour of all the gadgets. He confirmed that the dealership is totally clueless about this car. Jaguar is simply not training it's dealerships here in the US. Personally I really like it. Beautiful car inside and out. I currently own a used 2015 BMW i3 and have a Model Y reservation.

[@eb1888.]

Tesla has used its years of production to improve the reliability and efficiency of its powertrain. Audi, Jaguar etc. have not yet had that opportunity. But they do have plenty of experience doing interiors.

[@bwilson4web]

Waiting on the Byton. The I-Pace problem starts with the front grill that is shaped for an ICE vehicle. It is recessed with a 1-2 inch deep, fake grill that is a hard surface, parachute. The silly duct from the grill out the hood is a waste of space and a drag problem. Model X has similar City but much better highway MPGe and longer range.

[@tommornini2470]

John W Disagree. 🤷‍♂️ Market appears to disagree as well.

[@piperar2014]

Aesthetics are subjective. Drag is a fact.

[@bwilson4web]

@John W With BREXIT coming (assuming Boris Johnson does a Trump,) UK based manufacturing will faced an additional challenge. Perhaps if the relocate manufacturing outside of the UK they might have a chance . . . Ireland comes to mind.

[@momanessie]

@John W Before we bought our 1st Tesla, we looked at the Chevy Volt and the Nissan Leaf, tried to do a test drive BUT the salesmen convinced us it was a waste of our time then tried to steer us to other ICE vehicles in their inventory and on their lots. The lesson we learned is that ICE sales people don’t know how to sell or don’t care to sell EVs. Tesla is committed from the ground up in selling EVs. Tesla’s sales approach completely removes the dealerships (no 3rd party to up the manufacturer’s price) because they are confident their product sells itself. Jaguar may retrofit their factory in the future and promote that they are committed to the EV revolution but their efforts may be unsuccessful or long in coming unless they get each dealerships’ sales team member behind this commitment. The same goes for every ICE manufacturer jumping on the EV revolution. EV start-ups from China may have a better chance of success as being the “Tesla Killer” because they are committed from the ground up to meeting or raising the EV bar that Tesla has set since no time has been wasted on the ICE paradigm of the past. The Chinese government would rather see the Chinese populace (of 1.4 billion with the largest adult population in the world) buy a Chinese designed and built EV rather than a Tesla even though a Tesla factory in China is due to open later this year.

[@kkallioj]

@@bwilson4web The I-Pace is made in Austria.

[@quackhouseproductions5572]

I’d have one but I’m in two minds to wether the charging infrastructure is ready (UK) for electric cars, I’d have a Tesla but they don’t really build a form factor I want yet. Model X is sort of there but it feels large and is very expensive.

[@cte4dota]

Like all others Jaguars ? There is nothing wrong here.At leas explore car industry a bit before make conclusions...

[@teslamr7333]

I love when Tom is on. He is so knowledgeable about the ev market.

[@TheVeryAgilePM]

We liked the car when we test drove it. They told us if we wanted to buy one it would be 6-9 months and they were tacking on an extra 15k above msrp due to taking on losses on account of supply chain issues. The car was FAST, but it felt smaller. I miss the engine sound of a jag. We looked at getting a used one and most of them had LEMON on the carfax. Not sure what that is but there seems to be an issue. At that price point with the extra 15k tacked on … I can afford anything in the market. Jag has lost their way.

[@ennm100]

What if Jag(Magna steyr) just cannot produce a lot of cars hence they are not interested in mass selling?

[@alexwilsonpottery3733]

I live in America, in the middle bit, Iowa. The local Jag dealer near responded to my enquiry about the i-Pace, and still don't appear to have any on the lot. There are quite a few Tesla S and 3s in town, soooo...it's not like people aren't interested in EVs, just that the dealer isn't really interested in selling any.

[@paratrooperz1]

It’s a good car but over shadowed by the best car in the world! It’s not all that beautiful and the price is it’s largest down fall, if jag can’t out tech Tesla then they need to out price Tesla. Jag was a more loved brand when ford owned it but now there’s less reasons to stay in jag brand

[@jh2ks2k]

It’s had 66 international awards. Tesla hasn’t sorry.

[@uwucaffeineaddiction4023]

what happened to your Audi E-TRON

[@cbcdesign001]

In April 1 in 8 of Jaguars sold globally was the IPace. Tesla is an american brand, its appeal in America, a country where "Make America Great Again" and Trump was voted for President is as much a cultural icon as it is a car. Trying to compare sales of European EV's to Tesla in the US is fruitless and meaningless Alex.

[@TheVeryAgilePM]

He mentioned salespeople … when I ask for collateral they don’t have any. No one knows anything but they want to upcharge for everything.

[@teslatrev5764]

to expensive not enough range low tech

[@IJustHitTheFan]

In the old days, Jaguars were very tempting only their Lucas "Prince of Darkness" electric system always failed. And now they expect us to buy a car that is all electric? (Do NOT take this answer seriously 😃)

[@manuelcilia391]

it needs greater range

[@terrancel1786]

The problem is advertising if these lame ass legacy manufactures would hire a celebraty to promote this car it would sell. They are trying to skim on advertising and people can tell.

[@greenenergy-mipvpro]

Its a nice car, but to slow charging. And its to small. Size maters, and you get mutch more car in a Kia Niro EV

[@philipbatty]

Love Tom's insights. Great segment 👍

At this point any electric vehicle that is not a Tesla, is waste of your time and money. I hope it changes in the future but that does not look likely. Tesla has no competition.

[@markmcintosh7095]

I think it's infrastructure for electric cars. I'm 69 and I don't think I'll see a big improvement in my lifetime. Great channel I really enjoy it.

[@Serge1951]

Mark McIntosh I’m 68 and I drive the best electric car Tesla, rather than think about it, go and test drive Tesla.

[@tommornini2470]

Mark McIntosh Tesla has plenty of infrastructure, and the truth is, charging at home removes the need for 99% of the existing gasoline infrastructure.

[@maxlens8503]

I-pace looks like a 70’s car

[@eb1888.]

Jaguar in the US has about the highest depreciation over a 5 year period. 60%+ loss of value.

[@andymccabe6712]

Don't ALL cars depreciate at least 60% in the first 5 years(or less)?

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

@@andymccabe6712 Not Porsche.

[@Nellsism]

Such an awesome car, but I’m secretly hoping it flops so I can buy one a year from now used for dirt cheap lol

[@paratrooperz1]

No one is holding out for the Y lol it may begin production but it will sell only 1 trim in beginning and have to get in a line and about 600 days from now before they open up to sell all trims to anyone and the I-pace with 20k off is still over priced with it about the same price as the 3 and sub par. Maybe 30k off and then it will be more attractive

[@rajkirannatarajan9276]

Jaguar doesn’t even know how to build ICEs lol.

[@albertvasquez6207]

They are not. I just bought one and the dealer is oblivious to it's operation.

[@mikereliford55]

Yeah plain and simple, the i-Pace costs too much. I really enjoyed my test drive experience in the i-Pace as did my fiancee but the HSE models they had at the dealership were nearly $25k more than our model 3. We don't need two long-range EVs, but we are unwilling to pay that sort of premium for less car overall. Our performance Model Y w/FSD (at reveal event pricing) is $15K less than the HSE i-Pace we drove. We will just wait. The JLR group have come up with a much better offering than the VW camp but the price is just too high, perhaps they really don't want to seel them =(

[@NigelP21]

Its simple, they don't push it because they LOSE money on each one they sell!

[@KuntalGhosh]

Lets hope tata makes some good profit out of this car.

[@albertvasquez6207]

Your right the dealers are clueless about the ipace

[@ericjohnson3967]

What the OEM can do is do what Tesla can't or hasn't. For example I contacted Polestar and ask them do they have a heads up display and they don't and I'm like why not ,Tesla doesn't, do something that they don't do. I do like the android operating system. That's a start.

[@robsmith1a]

I am in the UK and haven't seen one yet. They are mighty expensive and that will limit sales in itself. I like the Ipace but the model 3 is way cheaper in its base version and has better charging infrastructure.

[@nighthawk8412]

They could have these cars be featured in a movie or series of movies, like Fast and Furious or some horror movie franchise. Many people like the cars featured in movies like Fast and Furious because of the fast and reckless driving the stars do in them. A horror movie would be a great product placement for electric cars because they are so silent and the characters would not need a traditional key to enter the vehicles when fleeing the villain. They could then do these test drive events at the beginning and end of the premieres of the movie(s) all over the world. The stars would have the opportunities to promote them and everyone at the event would be able to drive the vehicles they see in the movie and know why the company paid to have them in the movie. Such events would be so much fun and way better freebie than a laptop bag giveaway. They could make it so that attendees would not need to run their credit to take a test drive in the vehicles. It would also allow movie theaters to become destinations to get people out and to the movies.

[@neilbrandon]

Just noted Tom's comment comparing size of ipace to model 3. I pace is massively wider and turning circle horrendous. I pace is wider than 6 foot 6. Google width is wrong. Jlr web site show it correeclty. Also turning circle is almost 12m. Model S is 11.4m. In the UK the I pace is possibly too wide for some parking spaces and width restrictions and minor roads.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

The IPace is a wide car, and is 6" wider than a Model 3. (79" compared to 73"). This discussion is primarily focused on US sales, and in the US, the width is much less of a concern compared to Europe. But, point taken.

[@kevinn1158]

Only fanatics are buying electric cars and they are all Elon zombies. Just look at the comments on every thread on EVs. They can't even paint the Model 3 properly and the zombies keep cheering. Having said this, the I pace and E tron are too expensive for their ranges. Both are stuck between the high end Model S and everything else. This thing is 25k CAD more than the Model 3. That's a hard sell.

[@jimmac4584]

No mention of adaptive cruise control or FSD options in the future. Over the air updates? Jaguar charge network in the works? I don’t think anyone can catch up with TESLA. Electrify America is likely to raise charge rates to better profit margins with zero blow back from customers because they are not tied to a specific manufacturer.

[@sparkev2356]

Tom, you rock as usual. You know your (EV) stuff. Alex, for 50K you can get a Model 3 Performance now. It will blow away the iPace. Try taking a long CA road trip in the iPace versus a Tesla and you will know why Tesla rules. I drive a Spark EV and Bolt so I'm familiar with DC fast charging. I will get a used Model 3 in a few years when they are cheap when the Y is out.

[@carminedauria-gupta2561]

People don’t want expensive electric cars. Wait for VW to sell affordable electric cars and the industry will change quickly

[@tommornini2470]

Tesla will relentlessly drive down the price of its vehicles in a way no manufacturer ever has since Ford introduce the Model T. Just as Apple did with the iPhone...

[@tommornini2470]

Bill Cichoke $5B in the bank, added $500M+ last quarter, prepping manufacturing in China where the government already had mandated. You can guess their EXPONENTIAL GROWTH will slow soon, but I know they’re GROWING EXPONENTIALLY now. Of course their costs will come down with scale. You remember how naysayers used to say they couldn’t be successful without scale, right? Guess what? They’re achieving it... Why you you insist “nobody” wants them? They’re fantastic cars, reviews are ultra-positive, and they’re way better for the planet: what’s not to like?

[@stinger15au]

Price, range, performance, charging network, space.....all beaten by tesla. Several recalls, issues and problems doesn't help either. Aside from brand loyalists who would buy a ipace?

[@RomanNaumov]

It's so ugly. Exterior and interior... Why people say it is beautiful? Am I blind?

[@andymccabe6712]

Well, I think it's a stunningly sexy, good looking car - so clearly, commenting about the looks is pointless!! Another point is, you either love or loath the 'complete lack of buttons' interior of the Tesla - personally I loath it, and think the iPace interior is fabulous, so......

[@poilyapp2093]

Old people like buttons, levers and switches. Nostalgia. Familiar.

[@aldeflorio5500]

No, Polly. Effective. Easy to use and find.

[@johnyves1246]

Jaguar failed to demonstrate competitiveness against Tesla. In plain words, they have a huge problem on their hand.

[@teaearlgrey9052]

The people who can afford to spend what an Ipace costs and want an EV will probably choose a Tesla first since Tesla really doesn't have to 'sell' them. The people who Jaguar probably want (and need) to sell to will need the typical "ICE type" advertising, which Jaguar, GM or most ICE makers do not do. They ICE companies don't spend millions advertising their EVs because they couldn't make enough of them if national TV ads were pushing the cars, so then people would be upset. It's the same reason GM doesn't advertise Corvettes on television; only a select few will ever be able to run out and afford one.

[@BenVarley74]

Also chose the Jag over the P100D

[@BenVarley74]

John W my biggest issue was not feeling like I was getting in a luxury car which disappointed me after wanting one for a number of years. Get in the Jag and it’s luxury everywhere. Range is a non issue as in the UK it’s rare people drive over 200 miles a week lol.

[@AndyAndy-we9pe]

The one thing above all that i like about tesla other than the autopilot and lane change and all the other sci-fi like features is that they have improvements very quickly, jaguar has not proven over even advertised this feature.

[@mr.william1913]

My 2019 Bolt Lt gets better range and is far less. Jaguar is a sexy brand but I want to pay for more than just a name.

[@arenjay3278]

It is too tiny.

[@rowenagrinsam8261]

Like Elon said they got no Soul.

[@MisterTrotts]

Perhaps the more accurate question is what isn't wrong.

[@teslatrev5764]

Jaguar hiPrice

[@ucsmanager9117]

The price is too high!

[@brunom1521]

Hosts didn’t mention another Tesla advantage: OTA.

[@jh2ks2k]

I pace has OTA. Do your research

[@MikeN5]

They wouldn't even let me test drive when I went to a dealer, said if they let people drive them they're too hard to sell.

[@kkallioj]

The IPace looks great in pictures, but somehow awkward in reality. Combine that with lowish range, high price and charging network and there you have it.

[@mluc1111]

I am waiting for Tesla model y loves Tesla

[@jaymondy]

First Short month of slumped EV sales.. sounds like everyone is waiting for a Tesla, and they cannot make them fast enough.

[@tony_25or6to4]

Tesla sold a lot if cars without advertising. Jaguar should use social media and influencers to advertise for them. Send salesmen to cars and coffee or farmer's markets and offer rides. The I-Pace should be front and center at every dealership. It should be featured.

[@cavramau]

Is Tom talking deliveries builds or contracted sales. I am surprised at this FUD going unchallenged. We all know what happened in May June July in the RHD markets. That silly comment about blip in sales is the worst of FUB. Almost as bad as the prviousnclip I saw from this channel of a guest telling us not to buy a Laef or any electric car because an owner had trouble with a repair and the owner was constantly on FB looking for a mechanic. What! Those two stories are all I need to unsubscribe from this channel pretending to be pro EV when it is courtly under mining.

[@albertvasquez6207]

Your so spot on " WE NEED YOU"!!!!!!!

[@bwilson4web]

About the July year-over-year bump, following Alex example, we are supposed to wait on the Byton. Why should anyone buy today given what KZbin advocates claim about the Byton 'PowerPoint' about tomorrow? Not just the Byton, add Rivian or other claimed EVs in the future. You know, Faraday Future or some other dream.

[@michaeljmobley]

They don't advertise the car because they are losing their shirts on it money wise. They just want to be relevant in the electric car field because they don't want to get blown off the map by Tesla.

[@kv5862]

Most likely margins on it are low or negative out the door and they don't want to cannibalize their ICE car and kill their margins. They have to drive down costs over time so they can ramp scale.