What Secession Is

[@M0NTANA26]

Excellent analysis. I concur. I always knew my public educashun was woefully inept.

[@StandWatie1862]

Outright lies. Told outright or by omission

[@SovereignStatesman]

Secession is a sovereign nation exercising its power to dissolve compacts with other nations. Each American state is a sovereign nation, supremely ruled by its respective People. So when the People of an American state secede their state from any association, that's a Brexit.

[@kenlinden9621]

Mebbe so... but Lincoln's war was not about ending slavery, but State Sovereignty... Federalism/Fascism... 'Not so' Honest Abe....

[@Thobeian]

Shut up, read the Federalist Papers, and realize that they mean jack shit in today's federal government. The states are far too interconnected today for them to resemble anything like sovereign nations. THe SOuth was always going to losem, and they deserved to lose, because secessionist politicians killed hundreds of thousands of their own to preserve THEIR ideas of government, which is unequivocably more fascist than whatever you think the Union government was.

[@teethadore]

An interesting consideration is that there were 5 slave states that did not join the Confederacy - Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri were all slave states at the outset of the War and remained slave states until 6 December 1865 - 8 months after Lee's surrender. West Virginia seceded from Virginia and was granted statehood in 1863, but remained a slave state until February of 1865, opting to end slavery early. Lincoln's proclamation only applied to slavery in the Confederate states, where it was impossible to enforce except in occupied areas..."Juneteenth" was not the end of slavery in the US - it was abolished finally under the Constitution when Georgia became the 27th state out of the 36 states to ratify the 13th Amendment.

[@avenaoat]

Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Delaware had less than 20% slave population and without cotton king economy. Whole Confederacy states had more than 20% slave population! In the Confederacy it was negative correlation between low% slave population (weak cotton king economy) and strong big% prounionist white population. Jones county in Mississippi, East Tennessee, Ozark region in Arkansas, West part of North Carolina, North Alabama, North Georgia.

[@teethadore]

@@avenaoat Arkansas, Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennesse had all initially committed to staying in the Union - Fort Sumter and the President's call to arms precipitated their secession. There were Union regiments raised in all of those states - the Unionist/Secessionist divisions happened all the way down to the community and family level - especially in the Appalachian regions of those states.

[@triumph951000]

This videos are so informative and this one has only been viewed 4800 times since 2015 ?! What a disgrace !!! Thank You very much for presenting them for us

[@itsbaxter2]

The Michelson Morley experiments showed the earth is still. Einstein saved the heliocentric model with his theory of relativity--despite the evidence all being the other way. Scientists choose to believe heliocentrism because it suits them, kinda like the american Union uber alles model suits post 1865 historians.Tycho Brahe's geocentric model of planetary routes should be revisited as it makes the most sense, given Michelson Morley and all the other evidence (red shift, etc.).

[@Sparticulous]

May the south be given the right to self determination like the Europeans were given. To be freed from a nation that sees the southerners as nothing but backward ignorant and superstitious folk. The polish and Russians once thought the same of the Ukrainians who now have their own independence

[@gabrieleberle4422]

Or rather the Halisians and Kievites. as prior to the Soviets standardization of Russian dialects, Ukrainian refered to something else. modern Ukrainians culture being that of the Kievites.

[@hughsalter7769]

no bake cake crushed cookies coffee chocolate and butter 2nd place

[@RightToSelfDefense]

I have enjoyed the other lectures of Mr. Livingston. I must make one little comment about this one. This video is labeled "What Secession Is". But I disagree that this video is a discussion about Secession at all. Mr. Livingston does discuss the Abbeville Institute, but he did not discuss Secession all that such. You might want to re-label the video with a different title. I would very much like to watch a video of his actually talking about secession and accession and how it fits into constitutionalism itself.

[@thomasbenner9621]

Glenn Billings check out, "The Real Reason The South Seceded."

[@pierrebezukhov2698]

@@thomasbenner9621 Here are the reasons: 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗗𝗲𝗰𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗖𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗦𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗦𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀 www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

[@Thobeian]

Good luck, this institute exists to bolster Old South myths and straw-manning the left.

[@RoadTraveler]

Algorithm bump.

[@daviddavenport9350]

"If ever there was warfare between states over the cause of slavery, I would sell everything I own and go and live amongst the Yankees".............Geo Washington ....so much for Washington being a Confederate.....

[@rockym2931]

That war wasn't the last time that a Lincolnian government went to war (or even STARTED one) and blamed it on someone or something else. And it is amazing how similar the "reconstructions" have been, in terms of practice and results. To be "reconstructed" by an invader is usually to be expunged of what is left of yourself. A "reconstruction" by Washington would be considered part of the invasion itself if done by another country.

[@grouchomarxist666]

I wonder if Washington included the 317 items of human property at Mount Vernon among everything he owned.

[@MsEripmav]

Not everyone in the Secession states supported the CSA. What did the Confederacy plan to do with the people who still considered themselves citizens of the United States but lived in a state that seceded? If they own property, and pay taxes to the United States would they have been allowed to remain in the Union?

[@backyardboosters9128]

penelope snopes no. The loyalists in the colonies either moved to Canada or staid in the states after the colonies seceded from Great Britain

[@RightToSelfDefense]

penelope, I can't be absolutely sure of these things but I'll give it a try. I'll break it down of what they did do. Not everyone in the Secession states supported the CSA. 1. I don't know of any effort to punish or get rid of Northern sympathetic Southerners. I would guess they would have been treated like the Loyalists during the American War for Independence. What did the Confederacy plan to do with the people who still considered themselves citizens of the United States but lived in a state that seceded? Things happened very quickly from the time the States seceded and formed the Confederate government to when the War started. The person who was a US citizen was probably booted out. I've read they were considered Enemy Aliens. muse.jhu.edu/article/205276 MARK A. WEITZ. The Confederacy on Trial: The Piracy and Sequestration Cases of 1861 If they owned property, and pay taxes to the United States would they have been allowed to remain in the Union? In the North if a person was detected as sympathetic to the South, Lincoln had them arrested and thrown in jail without a trial. Lincoln had suspended Habeas Corpus. Did they suspend Habeas Corpus in the South? What happened in the South in the reverse situation? Good question. I would guess that similar things were do to property on both sides In the North they called it Confiscated. In the South they called it Sequestered. If a Southerner owned property in the North, his property was seized. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confiscation_Acts If a Northerner owned property in the South, it was seized and sold to pay for the war effort. Here is a book on the subject. www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0226314820 Also check out the Confederate War Finance. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_war_finance

[@daviddavenport9350]

My great grandfather (from Northern GA) actually fought in the Union army!!!!

[@daviddavenport9350]

There were whole counties in MS and AL and GA and of course the Mt counties in VA and NC that in fact stayed loyal to the Union....the movie "Free State of Jones" highlights one such place in Eastern MS....I believe that mountain counties in TN were not particularly sympathetic to the Confederate cause.....

[@avenaoat]

@@daviddavenport9350 King cotton was weaker the prounionism was stronger! Jones county had the lowest % slave population in Mississippi state and the weakest cotton economy, same to North Georgia, West North Carolina, East Tennessee, Ozark region.

[@daviddavenport9350]

Oh...I would point out that the English pretty much "buried" the Puritan cultural outlook at least as early as the Restoration in 1660.....a whole nation breathed a joyous sigh of relief, reopened the theaters and concert halls and began to celebrate Christmas again in the Merry way of Merrie Olde England.....and most everyone LOVED King Charles II !! (and his namesake dogs). England has been throwing off Puritanism (and Methodism and Baptists) ever since in one degree or another.....

[@stevenbaumann5911]

I think if George Washington was leading the Confederate Army he would have done better. Remember he fought against the British and he knew that you couldn't defeat him with conventional tactics only.

[@thomasreaves588]

George Washington would have given up his slaves and fought on the side of The Union.

[@multipipi1234]

I agree. French supplies. French blockade French finance French uniforms and support. Was it the French that won that war?

[@fitzwilliamdarcy5263]

@@thomasreaves588Incorrect. He would have fought for Virginia. Why would he have to surrender his slaves? If he moved North, both DC and Maryland allowed slavery (but were purportedly fighting against it LOL)

[@chrishooge3442]

Does Jefferson allow me to own a person?

[@chrishooge3442]

Can I own a person?