What sunk the Moskva?

Note: Mere hours before this video was supposed to go live, Russia pulled out of the Kharkiv Oblast, Twitter is currently flooded with pictures and videos of celebrating Ukrainian civilians and the sheer level of equipment the Russians left behind, including an entire division of T-80 battle tanks.
The salty, salty tears of the pro-Russia crowd have been amazing to watch.
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In his worst video ever made LazerPig contemplates what destroyed the Russian cruiser Moskva, what new evidence has come up in light of its sinking, and will we finally solve the mystery of how one of the most powerful warships of our time was destroyed?
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Sources:
The Miramar Ship Index: www.miramarshi...
(yes you have to pay for it, but most of what is written is on Wikipedia)
Moskva Maintenance Report (untranslated)
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Moskva Maintenance Report (Translated)
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Credits:
Moskva footage B-roll courtesy of the Russian Armed Forces
Rapeseed field and the sky - like Ukrainian flag!
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USSR TV End of Day Sign-off with Anthem (Translated into English + Subtitled)
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Russian Navy Cruiser MOSKVA & Frigate ADMIRAL ESSEN transit Istanbul towards Black Sea - Jul 5, 2021
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Canal Boat footage:
242. Crossing The Wash by narrowboat - narrowboats at sea!
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USS Independence Littoral Combat Ship (LCS 2)
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Huma-Huma - From Russia With Love [Classical] Loop
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МРК "Мираж". Август-2008.
• МРК "Мираж". Август-2008.
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[@Dcook85]

Ukraine didn't just sink the Moskva, they put it out of it's misery.

[@brendenburke272]

They helped him he's probably happier than before. Probably resting with all the Russian patrol boats.

[@rejectedcopy4733]

They promoted it to submarine

[@soviet_union1936]

japan didnt just attack pearl harbor it oput it out of its misery

[@jblazerndrowzy]

@@soviet_union1936Least obvious tankie

[@davidknowles2491]

@@soviet_union1936 - Actually Japan failed. Miserably.

[@AnthonyA1995]

"The Moskva wreck has now been claimed as a cultural heritage site by Ukraine" Holy shit, I didn't think it was possible to be this unfathomably based.

[@Zaprozhan]

I savour the irony that the ship was built in the Ukraine, and when used against it's homeland, was sunk.

[@burnerheinz]

@@Zaprozhan "My hands created thee and my hands shal rend you appart!"

[@devindeocharan8323]

"So you took our ship, used them as your flagship, didn't maintain it, let it go to shit. Than, you have the gall of bringing it arms against us, and than proceed to sink the bloody thing! Well, we'll be taking that then, we can probably keep it in better condition than you did while it still floated!" - Probably some Ukraine Naval Officer somewhere

[@EternalEmpr3ss]

Ukraine should take all the russian equipment they destroyed/captured and make medals out of it.

[@jessehachey2732]

@@EternalEmpr3ss They’ve been manufacturing challenge coins made out of ruzzian armour that was destroyed, so similar idea, they’re on it!

[@xeones661]

"She was made in the waters of Ukraine and only in the waters of Ukraine can she be UN-made." -Slavic Gandalf, probably

[@jeffthebovine4158]

And like Mordor, Russian naval superiority disintegrates when it’s destroyed lmao

[@gamera5160]

Mmm... Slavic Gandalf: Gandov Сірий

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

2:02 "That means, there is nothing, ABSOLUTELY nothing, stopping them from invading Russia." Well, this has aged like wine.

[@tylergreen6014]

i tip my hat to you for beating me to this joke

[@radar5566]

And just like he said not long after, Russian controlled media and the Russian bot farms are in full damage control mode, lmao.

[@bjmccann1]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@TheSmallestShayInExistance]

wtf are you doing here harrison i didnt know you were a military enthusiast

[@grfrjiglstan]

Imagine losing naval superiority to a country with no ships.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

And having half of that enemy's navy defect to you. Yes, half of Ukraine's navy defected to the Russians in 2014...

[@grfrjiglstan]

@@mrmacias4217 Well, they can fire HIMARS at the Russians' ammo dumps, leaving them high and dry, then fire a second round at them, killing them instantly. That, or pull off the most successful feint in history and drive them the fuck out. You know, to name a few options. :)

[@mrmacias4217]

@@grfrjiglstan sheesh what about the BM-30s that keep blowing up the Ukrainians??? Russia actually has hundreds of them

[@mrmacias4217]

@@grfrjiglstan well the Russians can just fire back with their BM-30s 😂 please stop believing Ukrainian propaganda it makes you dumber than you already are

[@grfrjiglstan]

@@mrmacias4217 HIMARS outranges those too. And their ammo isn't any less explosive.

[@SergeantKillGore]

LazerPig showed up to the Moskva party like he does to work: Late, drunk, but still doing a great job.

[@pixiekawai]

And then ended up making us all cry.

[@devindeocharan8323]

And aint that true, cause this was a wonderful job

[@boobah5643]

@ThyPeasantSlayer If the fates of those caught up in this pointless war don't make you tear up at least a little... well, I'd prefer not to know about it. It's comforting to pretend monsters like that don't exist.

[@Peas_and_Carrots]

And that's why he keeps his job

[@yerpright7548]

A better job than NZ media. Although the classic of a gay guy telling incels how to meet women(accurately)...👌 just 👌

[@yokaiou5848]

As a retired sailor, that was a horror story, a U.S. crew would mutiny before a ship would go that bad.

[@subtlewhatssubtle]

If I'm to understand the report correctly they couldn't even serve chow in a semi-heated state most of the time. That suggests they were issued ration kits, probably fairly old ones. Imagine putting a modern crew to sea, then telling them eat antique rations out of waxpaper boxes for an indeterminate time, while the galley itself can't stay a consistent temperature. $10 says you would be beaten half to death with your own shoes before the week was out.

[@manngaiho1012]

I feel like the state of the USS Iowa during the turret explosion incident wasn't half this bad. Even if a whole turret of people got turned into meat slushy and promptly covered up.

[@dennisyoung4631]

Yes, driven by gas turbines…

[@rogerwilco2]

All of Russia is that bad, so they're numb and used to it. They don't know any better.

[@simonjohnston9488]

As I read this, my mind went back to Trump firing Capt. Brett Crozier from the Teddy Roosevelt, for having the gall to ask for help with Covid issues on the ship, and doing it the right way. The U.S. was lucky he only got 4 years. Trump mirrored Putin in so many ways.

[@quackingchicken2624]

Idk man, loosing the flagship of your navy to a storm seem way more embarrassing than loosing it to the enemy.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

I heard a source saying the russian blamed a meteorite once. which,considering how religious that country is, should be taken as a bad sign for the russian

[@sebastianb.3978]

​​@@isuckatusernames4297When skydaddy calls an orbital strike on your flagship, you may just be the baddie.🤔

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@sebastianb.3978 I mean, how else are you supposed to interpret that sig. as a christian ?

[@Itried20takennames]

Or that no….it wasn’t sunk….we incompetently set it on fire ourselves. But I think the Russian government lies so much they couldn’t stop themselves even when the truth arguably worked better for them…just force of habit.

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

​@@isuckatusernames4297Just blame it on Satan, like every other bad thing that happens, or on another religion

[@voided1746]

"Should I tell him to fuck off" "Just in case" "Hey Russian Ship, Fuck Off!" That's one of the best responses to getting told to surrender I've ever heard

[@connoissuer_of_class]

I consider it the modern equivalent of the famous; “NUTS” response to the Germans surrounding Bastogne.

[@SGTcz90cz]

Also up there with the scene from A Bridge Too Far, where the Germans ask the Paras to surrender - and are in turn told that the Paras are not in possession of proper facilities to take an entire SS Panzer Division prisoner. To the best of my knowledge, this is a historically accurate. The Paras in Arnhem, the 101st in Bastogne and now the Ukrainians on Snake Island are apparently made of the same stuff.

[@tostadatheviking7828]

The Russians said it was an internal fire, and the Ukrainians said it was anti-ship missiles, but given the completely fucked nature of the ship it's distinctly possible for both of these to be true

[@h3069]

Tbf a missile could probably ignite an internal fire

[@Mike-wx9jl]

@@h3069 I'm leaning more towards a natural internal fire than internal fire caused by the supposed missile hits and this is the reason, the ship at the time of sinking was nearly 48 years old and i hate to say it suffered the exact same stuff as Russia's only "aircraft" carrier, very poor maintenance, obsolete parts/systems, lack of funds to fully modernize the vessel AND the whole of the Russian Navy.

[@johnwolf2349]

@@Mike-wx9jl Main reason I doubt this idea is that the Ukrainian accounts mentioned the attack *before* reports of the Moskva being in trouble arrived. If they were just claiming a missile hit for propaganda after the Russians blew themselves up, there would have been some lag between first reports of the ship being in trouble and them claiming responsibility.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

@@johnwolf2349 Well... the theoretical possibility is always that Murphy's Law went into effect. Missile hits the Moskva, in and of itself doesn't do anything, but thanks to any number of other things that may or may not happen over the course of a ship getting hit with a missile, a fire breaks out. Missile causes an internal fire on the Moskva without the missile actually igniting anything on its own. It hit me now... operating procedure probably would have been to switch all power to anti-missile batteries. Was this perhaps an electrical fire?

[@trutwhut6550]

@@harleymitchelly5542 completely possible, I could even imagine then panicking and switching all 3 layers on far to fast.

[@Alexamyah]

I was expecting the Moskva to have Been in bad condition when it was hit because Russia, but a vessel in that state being okayed for combat is just insane.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

Yeah,when i read about it on /k/ i was shocked too.The russians were begging for that humiliation.

[@Sonlirain]

I suspect no one past a couple paid off technicians and the higher ranked among the crew even knew the ship was in that state. Probably not even the admiral knew. Attrition caused by Corruption is borderline impossible to spot until it's too late.

[@dark_drakon6814]

Did YOU ever hear the Tragedy of Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron . It's not a story the tankie would tell you .

[@johnroscoe2406]

Well, that IS "because Russia."

[@boobah5643]

@@dark_drakon6814 From what LazerPig said, _Kamchatka_ was in better shape than _Moskva_ was. _Moskva_ couldn't even see the torpedo boats if they were there.

[@TrepidDestiny]

Me: "Man, that looks just like my old US Army counselling statements." LazerPig: "These are actually a United States document for troop counselling..." Died laughing.

[@Shauntheduke.]

Damn who knows it might be your actual statements the ruskies used

[@fullweezy3553]

I recognized it as soon as I saw it. I think I still have that template on my computer I got out in 2013 and it's still there 😂

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

I must say that is the most wrong I've ever seen a 4856 done. And I've seen some jacked up 4856's. What's even more hilarious about it is they used the obsolete form.

[@ThePuppywolf]

@@fullweezy3553 Same, its rather unique

[@SeanP7195]

Yeah when it popped up I thought it was a DD-214

[@onepingvasili6149]

"Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think hard before starting a war." - Otto Von Bismarck.

[@garretth8224]

Ironic coming from Bismarck.

[@LarryWater]

Bismarck invaded France.

[@nikolai877]

@@LarryWater And he probably thought hard about it first. Anyway, the quote isn't pacifist in nature, it's about "only enter a fight you are going to win, and even then make sure it's a cheap win". The quote is supposedly from when he argued to not declare war upon Austria during a jingoistic turn of events (yet later on he would instigate a war with Austria, when he trusted it would be a quick one).

[@JohnHughesChampigny]

@@LarryWater "Bismark invaded France" -- After the French had declared war on and invaded Germany. (Yes, I know he goaded them into doing it, but they were dumb to take the bait. There are 1,000 dead French and German soldiers buried around 500 metres from where I'm writing this).

[@Spacey_key]

@@JohnHughesChampigny yeah, and that was literally what Bismarck wanted, it's a pretty well known fact

[@ThatGenericName]

From what I've read, the story behind the video at 4:50 is as follows: Some Ukrainian soldiers were bored, and decided to troll Russian media. A bunch of them laid down on the ground, pretending to be dead, and one of them with the camera pretended to be Russian filming all the Ukrainian soldiers they killed in an amphibious river crossing attempt, mocking Russia's own failed attempts to cross rivers. He then intentionally keeps recording as they all get up and laugh. They then posted it to social media with the end cut out , which predictably the pro Russian trolls picked it up as if it was a major success, not bothering to question where all the river crossing equipment is, or why there's only like 4 dead dudes. Once this spread a bit, they then posted the full video, highlighting Russian Media's general inability to properly confirm their sources.

[@ramblingrenegade6346]

In the infamous words of the Orange Man: "we do a little trolling"

[@crashstudi0s]

Is not inability, is unwillingness; they know how to get factual information, at least some of them, they don't want to, because that would mean telling the truth: that they are a complet joke

[@pagatryx5451]

Ironically it also has highlighted the Western media's general inability to confirm their sources too. I have seen LOADS of people reporting on this video but they've all said the video was recorded by Russians who just forgot to cut the end out or it was leaked. Had any of these people checked to find the source of the video, they could have explained what you just did here, and the videos purpose. I'm still obviously on the side of Ukraine here, it's just an interesting point to make. Don't trust any source, even if they're more trustworthy.

[@peequod1647]

That story had me on tears the first time i read about it, vatniks constantly meme'd will always be funny to me

[@seanreynolds7369]

This makes it even funnier

[@jakublulek3261]

My running theory is still that HMS Warrior, commanded by the ghost of Horatio Nelson and crewed by Angels of Mons, sneaked to Black Sea and tried to bombard Sevastopol but because of "amazing" accuracy of 68 pounder Armstrong canons they accidentally hit Moskva and sunk it. C'mon, it is not as wild as the actual Russian propaganda! Edit: Welcome, fellow Drach fans!

[@Nmille98]

bruh how long has it been since I thought about the Angels of Mons? This comment is underrated.

[@mattiaspettersson4295]

Now thats what i call credible.

[@underscore_nick1344]

Seems legit

[@azravalencia4577]

this comment is so glorious, French Egyptian Fleet suddenly sunk.

[@KPW2137]

Well, sounds plausible!

[@sptony2718]

The Moskva didn't sink... ...it was field promoted to submarine!

[@John2r1]

It was field promoted into a coral reef.

[@mcspooky8180]

Just how most russian airplanes in the sea also get promoted to boat and subsequently, submarine

[@leodesalis5915]

Say what you want about the russians but historically their navy has been very eco friendly. Just think of all the artificial reefs they've spread across the world.

[@TheChivalricKnight]

As a US Navy sailor, I've deployed into the Black Sea on numerous occasions. The Russians always send what we call a "shadow." One of their frigates (normally a Krivak, the RFN *Ladnyy* (801), but sometimes other smaller surface combatants) would follow us throughout our stay in the Black Sea, which -- due to international treaties -- wouldn't last more than 30 days from the day we entered through the Bosporus. Not all the time, but damn near all the time, we would regularly simply... outpace our shadow by increasing to half-speed, usually about 15 knots, which is not fast at all by modern warship standards. The Russian warship would usually belch black smoke and struggle to keep up. On more than one occasion, they would blow their engines and go completely dead in the water. One specific occasion back in... 2018? 2019? I can't quite remember, but they blew their engines and we stuck around until their tug arrived to two them back to Sevastopol, despite their heavy insistence that they were completely fine. Whatever, fellas, we're just here to make sure you're not a hazard to other maritime traffic. The RFN has always been a joke and always will. They're more of a ramming threat than anything else, to be honest. Anytime we were in the Med, we were more concerned about shit cooking off between Greece and Turkey -- two of our NATO allies -- rather than anything the RFN could do. For those who are hungry for war, I always remember a quote from the old (to me) show M*A*S*H. "Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye? Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe. Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander."

[@ylstorage7085]

but, it is best not to start wars just to prevent wars.

[@generalharness8266]

@@ylstorage7085 While I tend to agree, appeasement has never worked. I still stand by the idea that the best way to prevent war is to be prepared for and willing to be in one.

[@ag7898]

@@generalharness8266 big fan of the Mike Tyson saying "everyone has a plan until the get punched in the mouth". Feels like that encompasses this conflict... Russia had a plan... then got punched in the mouth.

[@richardrose9943]

No he said punched in the faith

[@draconus15]

@@richardrose9943 damn that speech impediment he has I forgot abt that. It's gotten better as he's aged

[@ThompsonExpress]

"give finger guns to the actual King of Spain" "He answers with his own finger guns" Chad to chad communication.

[@Xenomorthian]

The language of Kings

[@cardboardking577]

Lmaooo

[@sunnex474]

The king of spain would kick the shit out of King Charles

[@aregularperson7453]

Real recognizes real

[@AragornRespecter]

@@aregularperson7453 this is the most magnificent pun I’ve seen and a while.

[@danielregnard882]

The fact that apparently Russian propaganda said Boris Johnson personally led commandos in Ukraine is baffling

[@ernestaguirre4300]

Something was lost in the translation: Boris didn't lead commandos, he went commando while partying in the Ukraine

[@rangda_prime]

Not really, if you see it from the Russian perspective. They live in a dictatorship with a literal strongman at the helm. All those pictures of Putin riding horses bare chested, doing judo and playing hockey - it's how they see leadership. A leader has to be strong and willing to fight. Of course it's all a lie since Putin and his cronies are hiding in their bunkers. But it's the picture of the world they've been selling their own people for decades. it's likely they've started to believe their own bullshit.

[@MrFetalposition]

@@ernestaguirre4300 THAT on the other hand....

[@plmokm33]

Why do you think the man had to resign? Open your eyes sheeple!

[@scout360pyroz]

russian propaganda at one point tried to claim that their gas shut down was SOOOOO effective that the UK was resorting to cannibalism.

[@templariclegion2826]

"There is no glory to be gained in the blood of children" God damn.

[@Lili_Chen2005]

"This maintenance report will sound like a horror story." Oh come on, how bad can it be. .... Oh my god. What's wrong with the cafeteria?!

[@aussiejezza]

shit went from 0-100 real fast

[@Kaiserboo1871]

Give me a rundown. What was the top 10 things you found horrifying about the Moskva .

[@f3nn3lgaming]

@@Kaiserboo1871 Bloody everything, that's what.

[@thatredkite8310]

@@Kaiserboo1871 yes.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@thatredkite8310 -_-

[@Tetsujinhanmaa]

Former US Navy sailor here. I can confirm 2 things: A) A US captain would be court martialed for having ⅒ of the problems the Moscow had. B) Most of the sailors would tell said captain to go eff himself if he tried to head to sea with the ship in that state.

[@AllCentaur]

This is me being a civilian so I will admit to ignorance. What standards are expected by the USN of maritime upkeep and maintenance? What can be put off but what cannot?

[@Tetsujinhanmaa]

@@AllCentaur If the Moskva was an American ship and the was the maintenance report, it would but sent immediately to the drydock. All the CIWS guns would be operational, the S-300 radar issue would be sorted by the contractors from the manufacturer. It would have all required fire extinguishers and full working status lights. The damage control gear would not be under lock and key, they'd be in appropriate lockers throughout the ship. Those engines that had 10,000 hrs on them? They'd be tagged for refit, refurbishment or replacement. And the ones on end of service life would be replaced. All said that kind of report would label a ship 'Unsatisfactory" in the US Navy. Any sailors found with stolen gear would be court-martialed too.

[@covenant_mog05]

@@Tetsujinhanmaa "The damage control gear would not be under lock and key, they'd be in appropriate lockers throughout the ship." < The problem as mentioned in the video was theft. Right there is a an underlying problem that cannot be solved in a straightforward way. The theft is a symptom the comes from a culture of corruption incomparable to most modern militaries. Russia and China and other authoritarian governments will have this problem. In China their is a form of selling positions in exchange for bribes. In Russia the soldiers and lower officers are sooo underpaid they resort to selling their own equipment. Something is clearly wrong with the culture here

[@BlackEpyon]

Pretty sure you could pull any of the Iowas out of the Museum fleet, and they'd have less problems than the Moskva had.

[@swaghauler8334]

@@covenant_mog05 While I agree with your statement. We need to look at a normal Army or Navy (which is still concerned with theft). Why did the Captain or the Admiral NOT order that the fire fighting equipment be taken out of the storage lockers and distributed when she was putting out to sea? How would any would-be thieves sell those fire extinguishers as they sailed off? My Uncle Sam does this. You are not issued weapons, ammo, night vision, or other sensitive equipment from the Armory until you are actually deploying to the conflict zone.

[@redvenge709]

Well, let me spin you a naval yarn. USS Kittyhawk was the last conventional carrier in operation in the US Navy. She was stationed in Japan. Her deployment schedule was 3 months out, 3 months in, rinse and repeat forever. That put considerable strain on the venerable warship. Having returned from a deployment, late in 2001, the ship pulled in pierside for inspection and repair. At this point in her life, she needed considerable maintenance to continue operating. To facilitate the repairs, her hatches were dogged open to allow air trunks, hoses filled with oxygen and acetalyne (for welding) and elecrtical cables to be threaded throughout the ship. Most equipment was rendered inoperable for repairs. I was on watch, with most of the crew off the ship as is the custom when returning from deployment. During my slow and otherwise uneventful watch, the deck watch sounded general quarters, and to man battle stations. We were unable to secure the ship, since there was cables and hoses everywhere (some hatches were actually chained open, and would require bolt cutters to close). Since we were pierside, the air wing was not onboard. A message over the 1MC declared that the world trade center and pentagon had been "destroyed by hostile forces". So, here we are, no planes, can't close up the ship, all the anti-air systems offline and we were told "someone" had just attacked America and were blowing things up. Our defences consisted of two teenagers with shotguns on the flight deck. In the end, nothing came of it. The specifics of the actual events of 9/11 are well documented. Having heard the situation of the Moskva, I felt a bit of sympathy for those sailors. "But for the grace of God go I" and all that.

[@worekmiesa1255]

The year you meant to write is 2001 not 2011 right?

[@talescompany9045]

well at least its good to hear that the CISS (close in shotgun system) project payed off surly she would have never been attacked even if they had the capability to do so for such a strong defensive grid would have rendered it a suicide to engage.

[@Beausabre]

The difference is you and the Shitty Kitty were pier-side undergoing a maintenance interval when a surprise attack occurred. The Mockva was underway....in a warzone. In an honest Navy, the leadership (from the captain and senior chief up to and including at least the admiral commanding the Black Sea fleet) should be facing a court martial.

[@andrewgause6971]

As others have said, there is a slight difference between being in dock undergoing repairs and refit and having 90% of your defenses unaccounted for, and being in the middle of an active war zone where you are expected to fight. Kitty Hawk was also not exactly the pride of the U.S. navy at the time.

[@Beausabre]

@@andrewgause6971 " As others have said, there is a slight difference between being in dock undergoing repairs and refit and having 90% of your defenses unaccounted for..." Which is exactly what I was saying.... " Kitty Hawk was also not exactly the pride of the U.S. navy at the time" Hence the reference to her nickname, the Shitty Kitty.

[@StephenTSchuler]

Watching this in 2024. "If this is what the flagship looks like, what's the rest of the navy look like? We may never know." Oh... we know

[@84MadHatter]

they look like good coral reefs

[@Pioneer_DE]

Im not caught up, is there another event that happened of which I am unaware of?

[@garyslayton8340]

​@@Pioneer_DE Russian landing craft are dropping like flies Many are simply sinking due to being overweghted (I mean large vehicle landing craft not like D-day type things) russia has also compleaty abandoned the black sea eith its navy

[@kjj26k]

​@@Pioneer_DE Ukraine has systematically destroyed about half of every surface vessel in the Black Sea Fleet, the rest are currently in hiding.

[@bara922]

This is pretty consistent with how the Russians maintain (or don't) their ships. When they gave the HMS Royal Sovereign back the Brits were astounded to realize the turrets were all jammed on the center line and hadn't been rotated at all.

[@BritishBeachcomber]

The Royal Sovereign (Arkhangelsk) was already 30 years old when we gifted her to Russia. We gave them a useless rusting hulk to save us the trouble of scrapping her.

[@TheSpectralFX]

@@BritishBeachcomber you could have at least scrap some copium out of it, definitely a needed commodity theses days.

[@daveharrison4697]

@@BritishBeachcomber And yet at 30 years old she was still in active commission with the RN our in the Indian Ocean weeks before it was transferred to the Soviets. I had a mate go on a deck tour of a Russian Navy warship in the earlyish 2000s, and as a WE matelot he had a good look at their weapon systems on deck. Painted over grease-nipples are a prime combat indicator that maintenance isn't being carried out you know.

[@andriandrason1318]

@@BritishBeachcomber Arkhangelsk was the largest ship in the Soviet fleet during the war.

[@Thomas-rk4rl]

@@BritishBeachcomber The poles were able to operate a 30 year old cruiser from the same nation (HMS Danae) just fine, the Soviets have no excuse. At least the Polish apparently knew how to rotate a fuckin turret

[@amduil8168]

Imagine being those Russian sailors, knowing fully that your ship is nowhere near combat worthy. Knowing that you are being put out to sea as nothing more than a paper tiger. Solely there to put on the image that Russia owns the sea. It makes me sick to even think about it. And seeing that boy with his parents at the end just made me tear up.

[@LoliLikesPedobear]

Sad, but he really should never fucking ever join military or navy or anything defense related in Russia. We have some perfect words for this. Распиздяйство, головотяпство, русский авось, which translates roughly as sloppiness, incompetence, givenofuckery, luck reliance against command and reason and odds. Literally, guys, I think Russia was never properly occupied because nobody wants to live like this, it might be contagious, and the climate is bad. General Frost and cannon fodder are the one and only tactics Russian commanders ever employ

[@murphy7801]

TBF not a total paper tiger, they where able to fire missles at Ukrainians. Just couldn't handle any incoming fire.

[@eannamcnamara9338]

@@murphy7801 a glass Canon

[@davitdavid7165]

As a Georgian, watching all of this is both sad and amazing. On one hand, this conflict has damaged my home to a ridiculous extent. On the other hand, there is now genuine hope that the border between Russia and Georgia will return to its pre-2008 position.

[@SHVRWK]

Russians bit off more than they can chew with Ukraine. It definitely feels bittersweet seeing the Russians getting their asses rocked after what they did to your country.

[@karesi3842]

With a pro-Russian government, this is doubtful.

[@VidGamer123]

@@karesi3842 Never say never. Stranger things have happened.

[@karesi3842]

@@VidGamer123 I hope that you will be right

[@hewhoplugwalks]

@@karesi3842 *Romania has entered the chat* Never say never, friend. If this riles people up enough, the government can find itself having a Ceausescu moment

[@Totalycrafted]

As a Norwegian, I can respect a fellow country sinking ships from land

[@senorpepper3405]

You mean like sinking german cruisers with old 19th century coastal guns and torpedo batteries? 😮magical Scandinavian coastal defense ✨️

[@cheetosjumboenjoyer6833]

You guys did great in WW2, considering you were facing the most powerful army on earth at the time. Sunk a Cruiser, Denied them ur iron mines, and even won some battles. You guys did the very best you could hope for.

[@kieranwalsh2058]

That ending hit pretty hard, and it was needed. Thank you Lazerpig for reminding us that the war isn’t just maps and notifications. There are tens of thousands of people that’ll never come home, or never say goodbye to their loved ones one last time.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

It’s important to remember it. If one were actually in the fight, there is a psychological purpose (maybe even a necessity) to dehumanize the poor bastards shooting at you and being shot at by you. It’s really a tradition of war to call the enemy derogatory nicknames. For example, Germans in WWI were called Huns, in WWII they were called Krauts. So the Russians are called Orcs. And it’s not that weird a comparison due to Putin being similar to Sauron in most ways. (The biggest difference being that Putin’s ring is undergoing prolapse.) I save my breath in criticizing non fighters calling Russians Orcs. If white people are going to criticize other white people, who am I to argue? I do feel sympathy for the Russian dead, the crippled, and their families. But that sympathy is dwarfed by the deep sadness I feel for all of Ukraine.

[@usarok85]

I agree, but how do people, like me, try not to feel relieved when a regiment that was at Bucha and Irpin is completely erased from existence? I know there are so many young boys that suffered at the hands of Putin's ambitions. But they were his tools in perpetuating an array of violence against innocent people, including other children. When a Russians die it is a harsh reason to be happy only because it means we are that much closer to the end of this war. There are a lot of Marks (is that how its spelled even in Russian?) out there on that side. Guys that don't want to be there, and don't have the means to kill their commander to leave the battlefield.

[@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054]

"There are tens of thousands of people that’ll never come home, or never say goodbye to their loved ones one last time." Yeah, only and entirely because of the Russians.

[@MotorcycleWrites]

@@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 it’s 100% the Russian’s fault as a collective, that doesn’t make it not sad for every individual who dies. That kid just wanted to drive trains and needed to go through military service to do that. It’s still sad that he died even if his country started the war. Don’t get me wrong, even more sad that Russia is putting Ukraine through this pointless war. It’s just important to remember that we’re all humans.

[@mrmacias4217]

Like the 90k demilitarized Ukrainians

[@ShieldAre]

That list of malfunctions in the ship almost makes me believe that this actually was an accident. A ship in that state doesn't sound like it even needs to be hit by a missile to sink.

[@silaskuemmerle2505]

Especially when you see the videos of Russian conscripts smoking next to fuel trucks

[@Menaceblue3]

@@silaskuemmerle2505 LoL smoking near a fuel tank? That's very cheeki Breeki my friend....

[@Stalkergames916]

@@Menaceblue3 their just trying to sink it at that point

[@swaghauler8334]

@@Menaceblue3 And true...

[@riograndedosulball248]

It sounds like not even the Ukrainian batteries were expecting success against that thing, just were like "oh the corsairs are out there? let's annoy them", fired two missiles, and then, to their disbelief, it worked

[@CallMeWB]

So aside from none of the 3 anti missile defences working, the missile defence radar couldn’t lock onto targets, the dual cannon broken due to hydraulic leak, the damage control systems all broken, the leaking watertight doors, hundreds of missing fire extinguishers out of 500, the engines past their service replacement date, the control systems inoperable or missing indicator lights, steering gear partially jammed, and the entire ship having heating and cooling problems, the Moskva was basically in great shape?

[@lunarcultist6214]

I mean, it was really pretty to look at...

[@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054]

It was probably the best maintained ship of the Russian navy

[@Diannalover]

"Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

[@StoutShako]

SATISFACTORY shape, comrade.

[@nathaniellindner313]

"Hey, it can float, it can shoot, it's probably fine that it's in worse shape to protect itself than a battlecruiser from WWI, just launch the damn thing before Putin calls us"

[@solaris8007]

Im in my late 20’s and played a lot of counter strike growing up. One match we met this Russian kid. We started off shit talking each other as kids on the Internet do. But the game starts and one of my buddies asks him how do Russians win CSGO matches. “i show you” he responds. Match starts and he just shouts “Uraaaa!” Over his mic and charges in blind and immediately gets killed. We give him shit, we’re all laughing then he tells us it didnt work because we didnt join in…so we do. All of us shouting “Ura!” Over our mics shooting blindly…laughing between rounds. He was probably my age. Maybe a little younger. Which means this would be his war. Which means there is a very real chance that this crazy, funny kid from Russia…died horribly in a trench. I dont know what happened to this kid. Played a few games then got off. I hope he’s ok. And people have the audacity to cheer when they look at the casualty count.

[@bubanto]

🙁

[@OsnoloVrach]

Hate it when I open telegram and I see a bunch of guys cheering about someone's death, I'm pro ukraine but I hate it when the average young soldier is demonized infront of the whole world to see, afterall alot of people come into the war just so they could pay off their debts. Awful shit

[@daveweiss5647]

100% the reaction to the deaths of young conscripts on both sides during this war has been disgusting...

[@marklittle8805]

The waste is awful but the Russian regime has created this war for Putin's grand designs. The blood is on him, and too many Russians supported this idiocy and still do. I just find it sad that an allegedly "civilised" nation like Russia thinks invading a neighbour is justified. Now that the war is two years in, the gloves are off fully and Russia has been invaded. I think the nazi regime that needed replacing was in Moscow all along

[@NevolmonGaming]

As a US army veteran the moment that "ukrainian training document" came on screen i immediately recognized it as an american counseling statement. pretty damn funny

[@Jetpusher]

In the navy I was like wow this awfully looks like a counseling chit.

[@m00se37]

seeing the size and before reading it I thought It was the most disturbed lower enlisted; turns out it was just Russians not understanding the overcomplex amount of paperwork the US Army has.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Reminder: The original "Jew Conspiracy" document was also a cello-tape job by the old Tzarist secret agency. Different people, same playbook.

[@Shaun_Jones]

@@m00se37 TF2 Soldier voice: “Bureaucracy wins again!”

[@luxborealis]

As a European who’ve worked a bit with the British military I noticed immediately it wasn’t British. The most obvious thing being it using American English, but the other being syntax all over the place and all lack of the official stamps, and the codes being all wrong.

[@danieltobin4498]

At first I was shocked that the Moskva was in such a sorry state but then I remembered that their sole aircraft carrier could no longer be used because of improper maintenance.

[@420JackG]

That POS makes sooooo much smoke. It basically telegraphs its location if it makes over 15 knots.

[@daveharrison4697]

@@420JackG Easiest way to cripple Russia's CVBG. Sink the commercial ocean-going tug that's hired to go with it everywhere...

[@geopolitix7770]

"Improper maintenence "... that's a polite way of putting it! I would've said "National Disgrace" but either way!🤗

[@andrewshepherd1537]

Oh you mean the one that had a boiler that looked more like an amalgamation of cancer cells than a proper boiler?

[@jjcoola998]

People really underestimate how important the hundreds of people who keep each of these engineering marvels running in the us armed forces. When you cut corners and do not budget accordingly you get this.

[@DR-pu5hm]

Fun little story. Back in 2008 or so I was stationed on the USS Frank Cable- a "non combatant" submarine tender and we steamed with some Russian ships to do a memorial for lost Russian submariners. it was us, a US Navy destroyer, and 2 Russian ships ( The Varyag- a ship identical to the Moskva, and some Russian destroyer). The Varyag was recently overhauled and recommissioned, and had issues multiple times. I remember at least 3 instances when we were steaming in formation that we had to do circles for hours because the Varyag would have engine issues. which they claimed were "training exercises". Twice it billowed out black smoke and the engines completely died and the destroyer had to come along side and provide support. The ship either didnt have any laundry facilities, or their facilities were broken, because all the Russian sailors had to hang their clothes outside the ship to dry them. When we got to Vladivostok and I got the opportunity to chat with Russian sailors it became apparent how terrible a condition their naval forces are. The conscripts have zero esprit de corps or morale, they eat poorly, get paid even more poorly, and from the sound of it they rarely do any training because they just dont have the fuel and funds to do training exercises.

[@voodoodummie]

I've heard here and there how this connect to the deep rooted corruption of the Russian government. The state would actually issue funds for training and repairs, but of course those funds would disappear in some decorated pocket. On paper the trainings were done "but it did happen to be more expensive than expected" and ditto for repairs. As for the actual training there have been reports of soldiers essentially just running laps, as that is cheap. The crux however is that Russia installed such crooked officers because they are crooked, ergo, easily bought and loose with rules. That is if the officer didn't just buy the position from the higher officer for "mutual benefit." And today we can see just how far corruption, if widespread enough for enough time, can absolutely rot away an army. The army never expected to be used as an army, they had cushy jobs embezzling funds away. Russia's army is a parade army, and it is sad that they've send the world's largest marching band to their deaths.

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

Man

[@nbewarwe]

Ironic how the gas station with a flag doesn't have enough fuel to train their navy.

[@Matsumoto77]

@@nbewarwe because it was all sold off by the commanders for money, corruption is insane in the russian forces

[@Alb410]

@@nbewarwe trains dont go underwater :/

[@Finn-r1x]

As a russian who lost my brother to this idiotic war I cried at the end.

[@welllettsgetitdown]

Damn sorry man

[@Pepper98776]

Cope

[@silversolitaire1519]

Sh*t dude, that’s tragic.

[@Goofster-goober]

@@Pepper98776 No matter who you support in this war, have some decent fucking empathy for those who have lost their family in this.

[@carsonofson2347]

​​@Pepper98776 have you ever thought about not being a c*nt

[@zachscarbrough2727]

I actually looked up the report on the Moskva. That thing read like an Engineers horror novel. If a US captain let their ship become THAT bad, they would either be court martialed or mutinied faster than they could say FUBAR.

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

Gimme a live stream of RN and USN Captains allowed 2 hours on ANY Russian vessel just to watch them SHRED the Russian crews.

[@murphy7801]

@@youraveragescotsman7119 marine nationale not acceptable 😂

[@gehtdichnixan9005]

@@youraveragescotsman7119 Well, what can the crew do about the government/ministry of defence/some officer embezzling not providing proper maintenance to one of their most powerful vessels? If anything the captains would've told them to turn the ship in to the next port and buy them some drinks...

[@ProjectXA3]

I keep expecting to read someone with experience in it to say that if a us captain let their ship get THAT bad they might just get fucking shot

[@jamesmoore6752]

Any chance you'd have a link to said report?? I'm dying to see what it says.

[@darthmalgus9267]

"for the 50.000 russian families with empty seats at the dinner table there is no glory gained in the blood of children" holy fucking shit dude

[@TheIKAIKAIKA]

I wish I could understand and feel bad about this but I just cant, those exact 50.000 russians slaughtered at least 86.000 civilians in Mariupol only. Russian soldiers lives at the moment mean less to me than anything in existence, even a maggot has more value.

[@skipperglume]

they all have a new Lada

[@funnyjokeman6175]

@@TheIKAIKAIKA Blame the government, not the soldiers. The brass are the ones at fault, the boots don't have a choice.

[@TheIKAIKAIKA]

@@funnyjokeman6175 thats bullshit and you know it. So if brass tells you to rape children you would listen to the command? If so they are nothing but a tool and I dont feel bad for tools.

[@WearyKirin]

@@TheIKAIKAIKA chances are that every single US bomber crew in world War 2 killed at least one civilian. Would you call them worthless maggots?

[@pogostix6097]

“The entire country relies on the work of a fare-gone empire with no understanding of how that empire was built and with none of the framework of that empire in place to support it.” Not to try to minimize the war and suffering going on in Ukraine, but that sounds like the basis for a killer post-apocalyptic fantasy/sci-fi setting.

[@randomcenturion7264]

Yeah. Some Warhammer 40K stuff right there.

where my STCs at?

[@obamayomama8291]

Fallout moment

[@GeorgeSemel]

The Tsars built the country, the Soviets lived off of that, and the Russian Federation is living off the carcass of the Soviets. Every thing that is admirable about Russia was created in the time of the Tsars. They may not have been perfect but they sure has hell was a damn sight better than what replaced them.

[@BongwaterSlurpee]

@@GeorgeSemel The tsars didn't build shit, they ran Russia as a serfdom economy. The soviets industrialised the country and turned it from a big joke into the world's second superpower. Only after that did corruption hollow it from the inside out.

[@mcchuggernaut9378]

"Caught fire in rough seas" is even WORSE than "Damaged by the enemy". Russia: "We will hide our incompetence by making up another story of WORSE incompetence inflicted by ourselves!" - I can hear the sad trumpets in my head....

[@unyieldingsarcasm2505]

"There is no glory gained in the blood of children" Perhaps the most true thing you have ever said lazerPig, well spoken. Im glad that Ukraine is winning this, but the price of this war, on both sides, is nothing but needless horror.

[@AckReikTheGreatest07]

👍

[@insanospaz]

I want to like that were now at a point in media that's we can put a name and face with pic and a background to "the enemy" This kid deserved none of what happened to him, he had proud parents and was just trying to live his fucking life and it got torn from him by some political bs

[@gabbot141]

Now there are no more children's hospitals to hide Azov in anymore.

[@MrSGL21]

the end of this video really hits the feels. LP really put a face on this war. just some kid who wanted to be a train driver gets caught up up in this bullshit and gets killed and his parents can't even have a funeral.

[@blingbling574]

I share that view as a veteran. After 5 years in recon unit, the truth sunk into my young thick brainwashed skull. I took an oath, a side and served.

[@w5527]

This man meme’d Russia, have comical dating advice, informed us on the Moskva, and humanized those lost in the war on Russia’s side and really showing how devastating war is in reality and how behind every causality is a human with goals and aspirations and a family who was with them. Goddamn this is an amazing video

[@thewekender2701]

You forgot to add that he also managed to cram a lengthy anecdote that he had in Spain, while doing an animatic on top of the narration

[@NightSkyNyx]

@@thewekender2701 Indeed, this giga chad of a man gave the King of Spain finger guns and he answers back with his own finger guns. Absolutely legendary. (plus the way he was describing the "smuggest-looking asshole" holding the flowers and the supposed piece of the true cross was really funny to me lol)

[@robinpage2730]

Bro, Russia meme'd itself

[@theregalproletariat]

The dating advice sounds pretty good to me...

[@stuartdollar9912]

@@theregalproletariat Treating women like human beings deserving of respect. What a concept!

[@polstam9202]

Honestly, seeing the state of the "flagship" makes you wonder if their nuclear arsenal is as much of a threat as Russia says it is

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

well, the Russian Military has over 6000 nukes, even if only 10% of those nukes are actually viable weapons that's still 600 potential nuclear blasts.

[@bluezebra2759]

Even if just 1% is

[@szabolcsmate5254]

Just imagine how many rubles scrap dealers pay for a kg of weapons grade plutonium!

[@bangscutter]

Considering the horrible negligence that this war has brought to light, it's short of a miracle that there hasn't been an accident with any of those 6000 nukes so far, if they are as poorly maintained as the rest of their military gear.

[@markgallagher1790]

Nuke is nuke. As for the rockets... That could be bad for other reasons

[@charlessaint7926]

@2:03 "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, stopping them from invading Russia, and this is Russia's biggest fear."~Lazer Pig September 2022. July 2024, Russia's greatest fear has been realized. Ukraine has invaded Kursk.

[@anderstempel916]

I’m sure he’s so happy he published one of his theories in time. Mr Pig has had so many correct predictions that he missed because he didn’t release his vids in time.

[@LeonAust]

I noticed that

[@Qdaman17]

Hey lazerpig, could you ever cover desert storm and the entirety of the war, you talked about it briefly in Ukraine part 1 and I think it would be cool if you covered it yourself

[@d4arx]

That would be awesome!

[@Finngolian]

agreed

[@genericname42]

Yess

[@andrewgardner58]

yes plz

[@camwintlenewell6448]

My pa was in desert storm

[@privatehudson516]

The last time Russian Navy failed this spectacularly was during the battle of Tsushima against Imperial Japan. Ironically during that battle the Japanese Admiral Togo Heihachiro waved a “Z” flag to signal to his fleet that they must achieve victory.

[@sto1238]

Somewhere in the afterlife Togo is laughing his ass off

[@charlesc.9012]

They had a blue water navy to fail at, which is something they didn't have since 1917

[@nerissacrawford8017]

OMG so the Russian regime is pretty butthurt bunch! 🤣 'Now I use the Z because now it is my Z!' LMAO

[@darianbrowning1608]

Nelson signaled "England expects that every man will do his duty" at Trafalgar. Quite similar.

[@SIXITHS]

@@darianbrowning1608 Admiral Tōgō spent 7 years in the Royal Navy, starting as a cadet. Nelson's famous signal would have been known to him.

[@turtek12]

Your point about how the Muscovites never consider the contributions of their subordinate nations to the USSR's success reminds me of how they also like to talk about the 30 million "Russian" dead in the Great Patriotic War. Ignoring that millions of those were Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, etc. When one looks more closely at the USSR's history, one realizes that calling the USSR "Russia" is a real falsehood--so much of their military, scientific, and industrial talent wasn't Russian at all. But they haven't gotten that message--they haven't realized that they needed Ukraine a lot more than Ukraine ever needed them.

[@joeblowe7545]

The ideology, hubris, arrogance, and hatred all came from russia. Those are their major contributions to the USSR.

[@aker1993]

Most of the high technology that came out of USSR are most are from Ukrainian and Belarussian design bureau to rocket engines to ships mostly came from Ukraine or Belarus and factories in Kharkiv up to Mariupol and across of soviet satellite States.

[@megsisded8688]

Khrushchev and Brezhnev (born in Ukraine) were from Ukraine

[@JRyan-lu5im]

@@joeblowe7545 Exactly the reason that Finland will never trust thier Russian neighbor. Russia since the Czars have attempted politically and militarily to occupy and colonize thier country. Thier arrogance and hatred as usual have led Finland from being an amicable brother 100 years ago to being an unfriendly rival now with thier threats and posturing.

[@lordulberthellblaze6509]

This is one of the reasons why Zelensky's adviser Oleksiy Arestovich believes Ukraine to be the more legitimate inheritor of the legacy of the old Kyivan Rus, and that the current Russia is the modern incarnation of the Golden Horde.

[@jimtheedcguy4313]

This is unrelated, but I was 2 days into my opiate withdrawal recovery when I found this video and your channel! I still watch all your videos to this day, but this one holds a special place in my heart! I’m now over a year sober!

[@stickiedmin6508]

Good for you Jim. Comparing the statistics of those who make it, like you, and those who can't, what you did is considered one of the most difficult and challenging things a human being might face. That's frckn incredible. Best of luck for the days ahead.

[@concept5631]

Hope you are still sober

[@jimtheedcguy4313]

@@concept5631 I’m coming up on 2 years sober this coming Labor Day!

[@concept5631]

@@jimtheedcguy4313 Good job. I'm happy for ya :)

[@concept5631]

@@jimtheedcguy4313 Good job. I'm happy for you :]

[@theroadstopshere]

Pure class for bringing the video to end on such a somber and empathetic note. You're a good man, Lazerpig, and while it was certainly a gut punch to be reminded of the senseless and horrible loss of young lives for the sake of old mens' grudges, mythologies, and egos, I appreciate the reminder. It really is easy to sit in comfort and make light of or abstract and distance outself from things across the world from us, even when we absolutely shouldn't. I hope the families of the men and women who have died needlessly in a war they never wanted to be part of will someday find peace and consolation, however hard that may be. Somberness aside for a moment, both a bit hopeful for the potential success of the ongoing Ukranian counter offensive, and feeling a small amount of amusement and pity for Lazerpig and other creators (Adam Something's deeply supportive but emotionally conflicted community posts come to mind) who had videos ready before everything went completely sideways. I've certainly had chaos injected into a project right before launch, but never like this That maintenance report was a genuinely horrifying read, holy shit. I can't even imagine the internal standards and external pressures which would make releasing such a vehicle into open waters acceptable. Slava Ukraini, may this horrible war be done sooner rather than later

[@kingofcards9516]

Amen, though I find it hard to feel pity for Adamsomething, considering he's a pretty far left guy who would probably be a Putin simp if he could.

[@asgar1852]

@@kingofcards9516 Do you think that just because he's left leaning?

[@danielrogge3085]

@@kingofcards9516 There's plenty of leftists who oppose Putin. Adam Something is one of them. I am another. There's some leftists who still mourn the Soviet Union and transfer those feelings onto modern Russia, or just are anti-American no matter what. Most of the global left stands with Ukraine. Slava ukraini!

[@ryanmarquez9404]

I am completely ok with the pain of Russian troops and their families. The ending brought me joy!

[@kingofcards9516]

@@danielrogge3085 I hope you are right, however I am still sceptical about anyone on the FAR left, especially when talking about Russia. And the far right though I haven't seen them as much, still. Slava Ukraini.

[@martinbruhn5274]

The ship didn't sink! It was promoted to being a submarine

[@sanghelian]

special bottom of the sea operation

[@agoosewithinternetaccessan3218]

@@sanghelian SBTSO

[@echos5823]

@@sanghelian special operation to hunt down known NATO-Nazi Amerikkkanski SpongeBormann.

[@arandommemer9926]

Tactically advancing. . . *downwards*

[@ericwolf9664]

😂That was a good joke. Here is a well deserved cookie.🍪

[@Moadeeb_]

"There is no glory gained in the blood of children" You hit the nail directly on the head sir. 100% worth the wait.

[@marks7484]

To be completely (cynicaly) honest, anyone can define whatever he wants to be glorious or shameful.

[@marks7484]

Yes, I know this was written half a year ago, but I still felt like commenting.

[@h8GW]

@Marks Yes, but it's generally consensus among society that makes a personal value moral or not.

[@marks7484]

@@h8GW true, tho society itself can have a rather flawed morality.

[@Zoey_the_Rat]

I am russian and you are wrong. There are lots of families celebrating their sons' deaths. Fascism does this and even weirder things to people

[@joshjwillway1545]

That’s fucking mental

[@MrTangolizard]

I’ve heard lots of story’s of Russian wives or mothers not collecting there dead so it goes down as missing so they can continue to collect there pay

[@jeffthebovine4158]

Fascism will always have its flock of parasites

[@hanzzel6086]

That, that is more horrifying than the report....

[@marklittle8805]

​@@MrTangolizardin Russia, the corruption is so bad even mothers will be content to lose their sons to get more money from the state

[@Wanderer628]

I've been saying it for a while, Russia, with a smaller economy than Italy, is talking out of its ass about its military. They claimed they have hypersonic missiles, one of the biggest armies in the world, fifth gen fighters, fourth gen tanks, largest nuclear stockpile in the world, massive fleets of aircraft and a massive fleet of naval vessels. There is no fucking way they could maintain all that with the budget they had. Turns out, as is said in the video, it was empty bluster. Even assuming half their shit even performs as well as they claim and it's not just empty boasts, it could never do the job because underneath the polished frame that gets paraded on red sqaure is nothing but rust and decay.

[@williamnixon3994]

And even if they are properly cared for and maintained, with disciplined soldiers in those tanks, you can be damn well sure they have only a limited run of those fanciful pieces of equipment just so they can claim to have it, because they don't have the money to actually spread them throughout their military. The T-14 armata, and the Su-57 are the first to come to mind in my opinion

[@serjacklucern4584]

Italy is stuck in a Economic crisis since 2008, but italian ship are in much better shape than any russian warship will ever be. Oh by the way, the Longobardo photo of those russian ship were pretty good for a 30+ years submarine...

[@MyFunnyVids888]

@@williamnixon3994 reminds me of the 1944 hitler's wunderwaffe shit. "Oh all we need is the Maus and we're saved we'll win the war"

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@williamnixon3994 Showroom models. Arms exports were Russia’s second most important sector, after the Oil and Gas Sector. I’ve heard reports that 20 T-14s were built (which is not a meaningful quantity), but I’ve only seen a video of two in a parade. If you haven’t seen it, check out Perun’s video All Bling, No Basics. His contention (backed by evidence) is that Putin has had 8 or more years to prepare his military for the invasion of Ukraine, but focused on the showy bling for prestige and for sales.

[@Aqueox]

Whoah. Since fucking WHEN did Russia have an economy smaller than wannabe Rome? 👀👀👀👀 That's crazy.

[@higen0]

Damn, war documentation has advanced. If you bring someone from the 40s to present day and you tell him that there are live maps of a current war, footage from the soldier's perspective and a talking pig is presenting the current events of said war he'll probably think you're insane.

[@senorpepper3405]

They would think it was heaven or hell

[@Hexigonic]

Oh and soldiers literally doing tiktoks, I’ve seen a video of two Ukrainian soldiers getting sturdy.

[@tisanaluk]

Well.... If it is not for OPSEC (Operation Security). I do believe we gonna see a headcam live stream by now.

[@Jeff_the_Hobo]

_"Y- You mean like Porky Pig?"_

[@mukariakimbui467]

The talking pig would be the most believable part.

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

I love listening to Lazerpig's documentaries. He really doesn't bullshit with ww1 and ww2 history. Holy shit, guys; I never thought this comment would blow up like this. Thanks for all the likes!

[@luisj908]

And I'm all here for it 🤘🤘

[@zopEnglandzip]

100% pig gold, none of that bullshit

[@elektrotehnik94]

How DARE Lazerpig engage the little emotional intelligence me & the boys at NCD have left? THE INSOLENECE! harder daddy pigg'o

[@QuizmasterLaw]

the glurgy pity Mark at the end was bullsit because Marks' brothers in arms" raped robbed murdered and tortured their way across Ukraine. K Cherty s Markom.

[@tiny175]

yup. WW1 and WW2 were some of the best examples that war is hell, and there is no glory or winners. That's why Russia is on the offensive - Putin has no other choice but to rely on classic politician move of "start a war" to try to hold on to power.

[@manospondylus4896]

“If this is their flagship, what is the rest of their navy like?” Well, now it is underwater too.

[@vitoc8454]

The ships are underwater, their planes are on the ground, and their soldiers are in the sky

[@judyhopps9380]

@@vitoc8454 LOL, sounds like when you play HOI4 with 80 conflicting mods installed

[@reecedrystek2992]

Let's just remember that the Russian Navy is the only one that has an Ocean Tug as part of their Carrier Strike Group because they are more likely to need a tow than perform exercises. Then once you get your Carrier back to port it lights on fire, so you put it into a floating drydock for repairs and the drydock sinks. So now you have a burnt carrier that can't be fixed. That is the current state of the Russian Navy.

[@kevinhenrique4256]

2 months after this comment and their carrier is on fire again.... Huh

[@freeze459]

@@kevinhenrique4256 it's a regularly scheduled thing at this point

[@314rft]

That's what happens when all military spending gets siphoned into oligarch's pockets.

[@pancholopez8829]

Ah yes, the Akmiral Kruvetska (I buthered it, but you know who I'm referring to.)

[@314rft]

@@pancholopez8829 You mean Admiral Kuznetsov?

[@rodo9566]

"There is no glory gained in the blood of children" you are touching the peak LazerPig. My little brother is 19 y.o. and those parents faces looked like my parent's when by little bro exited highschool with the highest score. Cried at the end... I, or may I say, We are so proud of you and your work!

[@JoshSweetvale]

Hypocrisy, when those 'boys' bomb children's hospitals and rape girls. There's the blood of children. On Russian hands.

[@MechWarrior894]

I believe it’s a good thing that Laserpig brought up Mark and how he was one of those 26, it makes us understand how real this shit is and how irresponsible the Russian government is for the sheer level of incompetence and neglect that has plagued the army. Perhaps this should be a learning experience for the world on how important maintenance is. I get the feeling that our infrastructure is going to collapse sooner than later.

[@jamesharding3459]

Fuck that noise. I don't believe for a moment the bullshit about Russians being duped into this war, and they sure as hell aren't putting a stop to it. Every one of them that dies is one fewer ork to rape and murder and terrorize. Remember Bucha. Remember Mariupol.

[@rodo9566]

@@MechWarrior894 "our" infrastructure?

[@navb0tactual]

@@rodo9566 All across the US their infrastructure is reaching critical points. Bridges, tunnels, highways, etc. Many need replacing, repairing, or even rerouting. If it is not done sooner the consequences will be that of blood and even more money.

[@philswift791]

I was a soldier I have spent my time fighting in wars, my body is broken, I lost so many friends. I lost my home and family. Nothing that we handed to the political class was capitalized on, they have wasted every opportunity we gave them. It wasn't worth it at all, except for the friends I still have and the men I served with. Thank you for acknowledging that young man while we would have been on opposite sides. I have known many like him and I miss them all.

[@Bandrik]

Well said. My somber condolences to you for your losses and horrors you have witnessed during your time serving, and especially how it felt wasted. Keep the memory of your lost friends close and you will continue to honor their sacrifice. Thank you for sharing your story. I hope others can learn from and appreciate the perspective you have shown us.

[@jjcoola998]

This is pretty much my dads attitude, he was drafted into Vietnam and wrote a scathing end of your report about everything wrong with the war

[@raven4k998]

talking pig are you hungry?

[@CStone-xn4oy]

I look forward to the spin-off channel where The King of Spain and Lazerpig team up to solve mysteries together.

[@41tl]

No joke I would pay money to see that.

[@ADVBCAT]

Naval engineer here. The reason you would have the firefighting equipment on the deck spraying into the air like that is because there is a crossover valve between the bilge system and the firefighting system that can be opened to allow the firefighting system to pull from the bilges, instead of from seawater outside the ship like it normally does. (The bilge system is the system of pumps that takes up water that accumulates in the low points throughout the bottom of the ship, whether in small amounts during normal service, or in emergencies. If your bilge system is overwhelmed by flow rate of incoming water and needs the firefighting pumps and hoses to help deal with things, you are in big trouble.) I've never heard the "sign of respect" thing, but it may be true. But you're basically always going to see that on a sinking ship either way, because it's part of the process of trying to bail it out. Note that you are likely relying on emergency generators to power the bilge and firefighting systems at this point, because I would imagine the main powerplant is underwater. Emergency generators are always found up in the superstructure, so they will be among the last things to sink. However, they can run out of fuel.

[@dynamicworlds1]

I interpreted that as the crossing of the streams being the sign of respect and a visual signal that the ship is doomed, but I've no idea if that's true. I can only speak to how I heard what was said.

[@devindeocharan8323]

I can easily see it turn into sign of respect and that if a doomed ship. Afterall, if procedures occurs shortly before a ships sinking could easily become a tradition, with meaning given to it. We humans done it before, and probably did it here again

[@keyl1m382]

I really appreciate the wealth of information you provided for us! Thank you!

[@Tasca_Lumina]

The water streams originate from a ship behind the "Moskva". The fallen over antenna in front of the radar make it look like crossed streams, but the "Moskva" does not have any water monitors at this location, neither does she seem to have the power to operate any of her own firefighting equipment.

[@31knots50]

Just going off of your answer not sure if you're a Naval Engineer or a MARITIME Engineer. But on Western Naval vessels none of them are set up this way what so ever. The bilge is known to have water from condensation mixed with oil from small seepage and leakage of various systems over time or from small spills as sailors do maintenance. You'd never want to spray that water anywhere near where you have a fire going on. In fact the pumps that remove bilge water would be aligned to dump that water overboard in the event of an engine room casualty while spraying foam and seawater onto the fire in the space to remove any leaking fuel or oil to not have cascading fires. The pumps for firefighting water are also located under the engines on every Naval vessel that I've been on due to their design characteristics, and if you didn't have enough pressure or lost a pump in one space you'd activate more in other spaces and would secure firefighting water going to equipment that's not needed for the situation to keep the ship alive. Lastly most ships don't have emergency generators just redundant main generators in a system where you don't need all of the power of the other generators and for ships with emergency diesels they're located above the waterline but there's definitely no space for them in super structures.

[@cheeseninja1115]

I really appreciate that you didn't glorify war at the end. It is important to remember, war is hell. No matter which side of it you are on, there is always a sad story to tell when war comes.

[@ivangenov6782]

War isn't hell, in hell only those suffer who deserved it, in war, the innocent suffer the most

[@Allstar-yl1ek]

@@ivangenov6782 Depends on who you ask. Some people have a pretty wild idea of what tiny infraction will get you into hell.

[@ivangenov6782]

@@Allstar-yl1ek i think the more wild people deserve hell, those who rape, steal, all that jazz, except for murder, some murders are justified but others arent so it depends on the context

[@kronos661]

@@Allstar-yl1ek WE, humans have hard time agreeing with each other on moral values. Try discussing it with the creator.

[@Allstar-yl1ek]

@@kronos661 Sure. Send them my way if you see them.

[@joshbell8346]

Russia: claims moskva caught fire in rough weather If the FLAGSHIP of the black sea fleet is catching fire because of rough weather, that just tells you something about Russia's competence in building warships

[@JohnWilliamNowak]

She was built in Ukraine.

[@Lightscribe225]

@@JohnWilliamNowak Ironic then it dies to Ukraine

[@ProxiProtogen]

@@JohnWilliamNowak but owned by Russians and wasn't maintained

[@consumerofbepsi5254]

@@JohnWilliamNowak Ukrainians weren't the ones maintaining it though lol, any war machine can become a hunk of scrap if it isn't repaired

[@JohnWilliamNowak]

@@consumerofbepsi5254 Agreed; never said the opposite.

[@ericbelify]

“A country when faced with its own hubris does not learn and grow as a people, it doubles down”. Wonderfully said!

[@random_tristan]

As a 19 year old. It fills me with dread hearing about Mark’s death and his poor parents not knowing his fate.

[@BiohazardCrow]

The worst part is that the parents and friends don't even now if he's truly dead. He could be crazy and in a mental assylum. MIA (Missing In Action) is worse that death. Because at least in death you can grieve his memory and say goodbye.

[@burnerheinz]

Poor dude just wanted to drive a choo Choo man.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

Its sad moskva sunk rip

[@ArtjomKoslow]

@@BiohazardCrow They also can´t get Compensation. He´s not officially dead. It might seem minor or outright ignorant to think about Money in this Instance but the Army will only compensate them if their Son is KIA.

[@skipperglume]

do not worry, his family will get a new Lada

[@maplegumm]

“-And due to constant theft the safety equipment had to be locked away” oh my goodness gracious

[@marcogenovesi8570]

typical russian things

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Yeah, theft is a huge issue in the Russian military, one of the reasons for the initial invasion staling was that troops had been selling fuel for drinking money under the assumption that the war wasn't going to happen

[@whynotjustmyusername]

Reminds me of some stories about the Red Army from my dad, officer in the East-German army. When he went to the shooting range, he got counted stacks of ammunition and someone was delegated to count how many round of those he'd actually shot. The Russians just held out their sidecap, got two handsful of rounds and that was it. Man-to-man combat training consisted of everyone standing on the parade ground and upon the order they'd just start one big brawl, last man standing won. Seems like the Russians haven't changed much.

[@albusplaustrum06]

Moskva didn't sink, it was promoted to coral reef among great legends like Bismarck and Yamato.

[@concernedimperialguardsman993]

Nyet, Great Moskova was transferred to Black Sea Submarine fleet.

[@albusplaustrum06]

@@concernedimperialguardsman993 Da, we know this but capitalist dogs must be surprised by greatest naval secrets.

[@Spartan-ir4zf]

As a Merchant Mariner Engineer, the description of the Moskva was physically painful for me to hear and read about.

[@MDzmitry]

As a Belarusian student, I'm really grateful that some people including Lazer still try to stay as rational as possible, despite it getting harder with time. Yet, I can't help cheering for the Ukrainians. They have a real reason to fight and they stand their ground, makes me kind of sorry we didn't push far enough back in 2020. Show these greasy-headed bolding impotents in their stuffy offices (or in one's case a bunker) how and for what proper people live and fight.

[@jaek__]

I don't really like either of these countries but man, it would be really satisfying to see Russia lose.

[@MDzmitry]

@@jaek__ It'd be even more satisfying to someday see Russia actually work on its own problems instead of spreading them onto neighbouring countries

[@terrynewsome6698]

I hope you can overthrow your dictator, and that you will be a free democracy again.

[@Aqueox]

@@terrynewsome6698 Fuck democracy. How about Belarus just pick a government that works for them and stick to it? No. You MUST be free. You WILL have a Democracy. You HAVE TO be a puppet for the Synagogue of Satan.

[@gruntysskim4145]

Man, good luck with your studies. Even if your government sucks and has aligned itself with russia, governments are not nations. Much love from America :]

[@carstenrenekjrulff6272]

As we all know..... CG Moskva didn't sink. It changed mission to be a Special Underwater Gigantic Submarine SSUG Moskva. But before it could get close to Odesa. It was captured by a Ukrainian Underwater Tractor (UU-Tractor) From the Ukrainian Farmers Special Tractor Forces Naval Division (UFSTFND). At least my theory is better than the explanation the Russians came with.

[@mrmacias4217]

Corny

[@kgjung2310]

ITAR-TASS, is that you? 😀

[@BlackEpyon]

Man, can you imagine if Ukrainian victory day parades going forward are going to feature "divisions" of tractors? I can't wait to see how these "memes" get folded into the local legends!

[@_wanted_outlaw3007]

@@mrmacias4217 oh boy....just wait till you hear putins version..

[@mrmacias4217]

@@_wanted_outlaw3007 no he probably knows and he paid the price he was too lazy and it cost him a ship

[@F3aredGenocide]

The whole ending just brings to mind the old line "It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it."

[@SurelyYewJest]

We're plenty fond of it still, in spite of that. 😔

[@0cypher0]

Politicians are plenty fond of it as neither they nor their direct family are likely to fight on the front lines...

[@F3aredGenocide]

@@0cypher0 Too true mate, too true

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@0cypher0 Tbf, in most of ancient history, the leaders of kingdoms and empires often sent their families into warfare too. It's only relatively recently that leaders stay out of combat.

[@randomtexanguy9563]

@@stephenjenkins7971 also the leaders would also engage in combat sometimes

[@edwardkennedy6443]

I really liked how a Russian observer from Kaliningrad wrote about what happened to Moscow a week after the ship sank. Everything was there. Suspense, drama, heroism, two dozen bombers, half a hundred bayraktars, an American reconnaissance plane seen with the naked eye from Sevastopol, and finally Biden's personal decree.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

I'd watch that movie

[@edwardkennedy6443]

@@marcogenovesi8570 Let's wait a bit. Something tells me that such a movie will be made and everyone who will deny that this is true will be called Nazis.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@marcogenovesi8570 Starring Tom Cruisovich and Bruce Williski.

[@DD-qw4fz]

As someone from the Balkans who as a kid went through the 90s Balkan Wars, the whole part from 18:30 up to 19:28 gives me chills and its spot on , because this is way too familiar to us, when dealing with Serbs... All you have to do is replace "Russia" with "Serbia", "Soviet union" with "Yugoslavia", "Moscow" with "Belgrade" and you understand why most of the former Yugo states are in NATO, even Montenegro. Why we look with disgust when some youtube idiot, that has no idea abut anything, starts cucking for Yugoslavia, asking why the hell was there a war in the first place, why didnt we "all get along", "you are all slavs with practically the same language", "Yugoslavia was so wonderful"....well for whom, Belgrade and the Serbs, oh yes, that for sure... There is a reason Serbia was in a delirium supporting the invasion of Ukraine, same schizo ultranationalistic "Slav ubermensch" mindset bordering on the insane. "The heavenly ppl, the ppl who defeated the nazis, the ppl who resisted NATO air strikes in 1999 and were unbroken" (yep google "nebeski narod" i "nebeska srbija" this shit is insane) When the invasion on Ukraine began, in mass street gatherings that were on the edge of bizzare, Serbs with Russian flags chanted "Rusi, Bjelorusi, mali Rusi" (Russians, Belorussians, "little Russians" aka Serbs). And as Lazerpig said, they wont learn a damn thing. Serbs doubled down with myths and propaganda after the fall of Miloshevich, so will the Russians when Putin is gone....

[@udirt]

yeah, I grew up with refugee schoolkids from former jugoslavia and visited serbia many years later. had to bite my lips so many times seeing how much they dream their past looked like...

[@sneedsfeedseed9905]

"Bog je Srbin." - Least insane nationalist Serb In all seriousness, from things I've come to infer the Yugoslavia of old (i.e. under Tito) was not a horrible place to live in, especially by our modern standards of collapsing economies, corrupt politicians with lined pockets and a general cesspit which all our countrymen leave for other countries for the sake of easier lives. But of course when many of the states began to secede the wonderful and very friendly groups of Serbians welcomed this with ope- no, wait, nevermind, they just decided to start a war over it and aimed to dehumanize their enemy with ridiculous nationalistic claims and proceeded to create one of the most vitriolic, disgusting and hateful relations in the world all within the Balkans.

[@lirimturkaj2232]

@D D I am Albanian. I was fortunate enough to not have yet been alive during those times. My family was there, and miraculously, most of them are alive. Where are you from?

[@Demicleas]

Honesty I never got the whole "Slavs should be together cause same language" I mean you don't see people wanting The U.S. to rejoin the U.K. lol. Although there was a time the UK thought that dispite the U.S. being independent they would someday come back into the fold or just pretended they never left. Until 1812 happened at least.

[@DD-qw4fz]

@@lirimturkaj2232 Croatia , born in Zagreb, was 7 when the shit started...

[@ferallion3546]

When those initial pictures started appearing online it was pretty evident to us Navy vets that there had been a colossal failure on many levels. Damage control failures for sure but it's Russia and this is nothing new. My Dad and Grandfather served in the Navy, Dad was a lifer, and we heard all sorts of stories about how the soviet navy "operated" and this incident isn't surprising. I remember Dad coming back from a Cold War patrol (he was a submariner), he was part of one of the Atlantic Fleets at the time, and he said that one of Russia's two super carriers had a systems casualty with its fresh water systems. They refused help from the USN (not surprising) and said "Everything was fine". What that crew went through because of the arrogance of their government is inexcusable. Russian military capability has been built up to an urban legend level of truth by common knowledge here in the West. It's always been known that the reason they had so many CIWS batteries and their connected sensors mounted aboard their surface warfare platforms was because their unreliability required massed fire in order to make up for their deficiencies. It's the same reason they mounted so many guided missile batteries. Unreliability has always been accepted into their battle doctrines that are designed around mass volume of fire with the idea that most of their systems will never get through so you fire as much as you can in the hope that some will strike their targets. They employ this with all their force branches. The way Russia has recklessly thrown away the lives of their service personnel, many of whom did not want to be there, many of whom, along with their families were lied to, is a moral failure that should be condemned. Obviously those Russians who have participated in war crimes, such as those thus far recorded, should be held to account. This war is wrong, tragic, and infuriating. I feel for the Ukrainian people. I feel for the everyday Russians who are angry that their family members are dead for lies and who are angrily demanding answers. I feel for those military personnel who disagreed with the invasion and who's lives were expended in the name of political expediency. It's too bad Moskva went down. No sailor should ever be put into that kind of situation. We all love our ships and hate to see them in any sort of bad condition. At the end of the day, the sea is every sailors enemy. Those men were killed by the shear failure of their military and civilian political leaders. I hope Mark survived. I'll be praying for his family. I remember every time Dad deployed on patrol we were proud of him being on the front lines of the Cold War defending our nation and our allies but in the back of your mind you always had that thought of what if. You didn't dwell on it but it was always there. I cannot imagine what Mark's family is going through right now because they don't know what has happened to their son who's life is really just beginning as an adult. When I was in, I was a gunnersmate, I was 19 when I joined and 21 by the time I joined the 7th fleet in the Persian Gulf. Shortly after I arrived we had a H-57 helo (Navy speak for helicopter) go down. We lost all our shipmates unfortunately while we were underway providing support for the Abraham Lincoln carrier battlegroup. Back then there was no internet and being underway I had to wait until we pulled into port before I could contact my family to assure them I was alive. Even though we had four generations of Navy in our family, I could hear the relief in their voices when I called. I didn't know that the crash had been reported on the news and they'd seen the headlines. Nearly 30 years later and I still think about my shipmate who died in that crash. I still see his face. I think we would have become very good friends. We were going to hang out after his helo got back from the flight they were running that day. Yeah, I'll be praying for Mark and his family. Nations should not take lightly the lives of their men and women who serve their country nor the devastation that will forever impact the lives of loved ones, families, & friends. The cost of war should always be weighed, especially by those who will sacrifice nothing, endure nothing, and understand nothing about what their warfighters service required for their country. Thanks Lazer for saying what you did at the end. You stated in so many words that we should also understand that not everything is so black and white and clear cut in times of war. Don't get me wrong, we all need humor and dark humor in these times. It helps us to process and deal with terrible situations like what we are seeing in Ukraine. So thank you for your humor and keep up the great work you do. Everyone, make sure to laugh every day, enjoy the company of your friends and family, and despite all the valleys we go through, smile. Also get some icecream or chocolate or something savory that makes you go yum heh.

[@moonasha]

don't forget the Kursk. Putin refused help from US and other countries until it was too late to save anyone on board. And we know for a fact men were alive on that sub for a long time. They may have died because of Russian arrogance. And it's almost certain the accident occured because of crappy old equipment that wasn't maintained. The government of Russia treats its servicemen like fodder

[@ferallion3546]

@@moonasha My late Father was a submariner and I think I remember him and submariners talking about how they had monitored Kursk. They were pretty angry at the soviet leaders because they could have saved that crew of enemy sailors because at the end of the day they were both submarine crewmen who were just doing their duty. Ya that's the one thing about the Federation's treatment of their troops that is just infuriating as a vet, is how they lied to them about the whole war. I don't feel bad for those who have committed war crimes. I do feel for those who were innocent and used as fodder. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

[@DR-pu5hm]

Looking at the damage, there is NO good reason the Moskva should have sunk. DC teams should have been able to handle the fires and flooding with relative ease, and the ship should have been able to stay afloat under its own power. This is a COLOSSAL failure on part of the RU Navy

[@Stalkergames916]

No one’s wins in war only who did more damage its gonna take years for Ukraine and Russia rebuild hopefully both for the better this war wasn’t a one the people wanted with so many kids not older then high school fighting in the frontline this is a war that will be remembered for the years to come

[@gordusmaximus4990]

The big problem, all this time, is people confuse Russia as the USSR. The USSR WAS a Super Power, Russia isnt. World power yes, has the potential, yes, all the resources and even military power, but lots of that is wasted on corruption, bad manegement. Removing doom weapons from Russia and size, British and French army, can be said, to hold its own with Russia, and even being superior in some fields. And the navy, the Russian navy doesnt compare with these 2, let alone the USA. China soon will take the 2nd place in terms of world best army, specially with Russia losing all these men and equipement. And Japan, if the plans for the next 10 years come as reality, will surpass also Russia. And i am not going even talk about, the possibility of a German new army or a European Union army.

[@gundampharmacist7348]

Thank you, LazerPig, for mentioning Mark at the end. It’s all too easy to distance and dehumanize those who are fighting, both on the other side of the world and the other side of the conflict. It’s all too easy to forget that they have mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, and communities. It’s all too easy to forget they too are just following orders, often just trying to survive day by day, and that their blood is what politicians safe in their comfy suits and offices trade in when they decide to go to war.

[@Nyx_2142]

Where else have I heard the "just following orders" thing? Huh. Strange.. think it rhymes with yahtzee. Maybe starts with an N? Ah, no matter, it'll come to me. Coincidentally they were conducting a genocide that the overwhelming majority of their population supported also. Apologists belong on the wall next to them.

[@DakotaofRaptors]

Prinz Eugen is one of my favorite Kancolle ships Top tier waifu

[@ProudSwed]

Never pity scum that is volunteering for any Russian military service!

[@МаксБурый-р2ю]

There was a human in that photo?

[@314rft]

@@DakotaofRaptors Don't let LazerPig himself see this, or else he'll say "Didn't you even watch my video!?! I said NOT to go horny over inanimate objects!!!!!" But I agree, Kancolle Prinz Eugen is cute.

[@AnythingMachine]

You guys like lazerpig? His early work was a little too reformer centric for my tastes, but when the Russo-Ukraine war came out in '22, I think he really came into his own, commercially and artistically. His whole channel has a clear, crisp presentation, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the content a big boost. He's been compared to Battle Order, but I think Lazerpig has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humour In '22, Lazerpig released this, 'Putin's Big Oof', his most accomplished commentary. But I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The T34 is not as good as you think it is", a video so hilarious, most people probably don't listen to the military history. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of standardisation, and the importance of quality control, it's also a personal statement about Lazerpig himself.

[@MistahFox]

Hello NCD

[@fluffynator6222]

Personally, I came here with his WW1 tank rant and thoroughly enjoyed him dunking on underinformed idiots ever since.

[@jackreeder215]

Hey Gonzalo

[@AndreGamerSpecial]

I dunno I love drinking as much as he is and that's the cause

[@torakazu2269]

is this a copypasta

[@Ralph-yn3gr]

You know, you were not kidding. That report was indeed a horror story. I remember my father once met a US Navy officer who had been aboard a Russian ship in the 90s. He said that their firefighting equipment and precautions were totally inadequate. Guess he was right. Reminds me of when the British lent HMS _Royal Sovereign_ to the Soviets during World War II. It took years to get her back, and when they did they discovered that her turrets had rusted to the point that they fused with the deck and could not be rotated. Also, would you be willing to do a video on the LCSs?

[@logicplague]

Chernobyl, 1986 "Where's the good dosimeter?" "It's in the safe." Moskva, 2022 "Where's the safety equipment?" "It's locked up." The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@viktorshevchenko3888]

The russians were wise enough to dig trenches and dugouts in the restricted area of Chernobyl and sit there for weeks knowing nothing about huge radiation and about the nuclear contamination since 1986.

[@mikeprimm4077]

Watching this a year so later, after Ukraine is in its eighth day of its invasion of Russia, laser pig you sir are a prophet

[@CoHuTo]

As a Bulgarian citizen I gotta admit, rather shamefully, that many Bulgarians are in support of Russia. This comes from the communist propaganda that made sure to link the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman empire directly to the Russians as our Slavic Brothers. However, modern historians have a far more sober look on things. Let's start with the fact Bulgarians are not precisely Slavic country. Second, the Russian empire liberator army consisted of people from many nationalities. Third, the Russian Tzar (the title Tzar is the Bulgarian word for "emperor") wanted to create a satellite of the Russian interest in the face of our country. But, the Russian military generals and diplomats were quickly expelled from Bulgaria once our newly established government realized the true intents of the Russian Empire. Not only that, Russia again had several attempts at establishing control of Bulgaria, and in 1944, after the misterious passing of our Tzar Boris III, the Red Army of 250 000 soldiers occupied our territory and fed from the common folk, raped many women (there are documents in the state archives) and murdered an excess of 30 000 men and women without a sentence. (those were predominantly artists, writers, politicians, large business owners and etc). Now I know this because my job is related to studying a lot of history, but 90 of people are still oblivious to the truth. It does help also that modern Russia demonstrates a rather conservative look on genders, orthodox Christianity and etc - Bulgarians are also conservative.

[@CoHuTo]

@@zogwort1522 the root of tsar does come from ceasar. But the first ruler to bear the title was Simeon 1 from 9th century. Back when Russia did not exist.

[@francoiscamy5066]

Russian propaganda was (still is) strong, hard to blame your fellow citizens. At least, they don't take arms to REALLY support Russia. Well, try to teach something to the people you know. Talk to what you study, if they are interested : explain them. Even if they are not imediately agree, maybe with time, they can tell "oh, maybe I was wrong". It happen. If they don't want to listen : no problem. Don't insist, they are not a threat to anyone. It's impossible to reverse a good propaganda machine alone, especally when people firmly believe in it. Don't worry, do your little part, maybe one day it will improve. With russian propaganda always saying "according to the plan, we dominate Ukraine", with time, more and more people will see the lies. Not everyone, of course, but many more.

[@atanaspetkov580]

@@zogwort1522 the way the title of Tzar was handed down is also pretty interesting. To keep it short, it was awarded to Khan Tervil of Bulgaria by one of the Byzantine Emperors as a reward for helping lift the siege of Constantinople (this was a different one done by an Arab Caliphate). However, Tervil chose to continue using the title of Khan. As already mentioned, it was during Simeon I's reign that "Tzar" became the official title.

[@reynanlamsen2007]

What’s up with Soviet/Russian soldiers raping literally every one on every war they’ve been in?

[@Nyarurin]

It is quite sad that so many people seem to suck up to a hostile totalitarian regime just because it appears to them as anti-woke. It's not like there are far more important things than a number of recognised genders or someone's opinion on gay sex...

[@alexisfights5773]

"The Moskva does not have ground-attack missiles" Yes, that's true, however using anti-ship or anti-aircraft missile in a ground attack role isn't uncommon for Russia. In fact, we've seen S-300 being used as ground attack missiles during this war and even back in Syria. I'd recommand Perun's video on cruise missiles for more information.

[@mykhaylovarvarin9078]

The thing is, Moskva had, on the one hand, comparatively short range SAM, not really fit to engage anything, except maybe, some coastline defences. On the other hand, it's anti-ship missiles were insanely powerful, probably enough to level a city block to the ground with one missile, but, because of it they were extremely valuable, the stockpile was small and the production stopped after the break-up of the USSR, as far as I remember. A full salvo of those missiles was supposed to destroy a carrier strike group of US Navy

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@mykhaylovarvarin9078 and it's fair to assume none of those missiles in storage work properly now due to various reasons

[@tanall5959]

The S-300 specifically was designed to have a ground-attack ballistic fire mode from the get-go. Now, exactly how USEFUL an expanding-rod warhead made to turn aircraft into the aftermath of a 'will it blend?' video would be against anything but the most lightly armored targets would remain to be seen. But it is designed to do it.

[@alexisfights5773]

@@mykhaylovarvarin9078 The S-300F (Which the Moskva had alledgedly 64 of, though I wouldn't be surprised if it had less, or if only a fraction of those were actually working) has a maximum range of 90km, which is more than enough to target coastline city, especially in a small operational area like the black sea. I believe the anti-ship missile you're referring to are the P-500 and P-1000, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Moskva didn't have them equipped, as the Russian Navy clearly isn't expecting any form of ship-to-ship combat in this war.

[@nbewarwe]

Yeah he talked about that like, right after as a possibility.

[@daddysugondeez8807]

I am never a supporter of Russia in their subjugation of Ukraine but being a lover of naval warfare I kind of expected the Moskva to have a more "Honorable end". However hearing you read the maintenance report for the Moskva made me wonder how did they even manage to keep that rust bucket floating. Moral of the story, Russians can't have a navy...

[@Raiju2]

How was it said? "It takes three years to build a ship and three hundred years to build a naval tradition" They just lacked the experience to realize that even quarter of maintenance reports problems should have had the pride of the fleet never leaving port. Or at least safe waters if they still insisted on showing power.

[@andrewshepherd1537]

They have an aircraft carrier that is so out if date it barely functions, 99% of their sub force is rotting away in various ports, and even their small vessels only function enough to sail around. The glory days of Russia are LONG past. I would saybits time to throw in the towel, but we all know they won't

[@WhatIsSanity]

@@andrewshepherd1537 Russia as a federation, socialist republic or empire never had maritime glory days.

[@M3xP4nd4]

@@WhatIsSanity just ask the Japanese 😅😂

[@abhishekrao1525]

Russia has a Navy, but it's in the form of yachts owned by oligarchs, ported in Monaco and Dubai.

[@aydenno1012]

Renaming the Moskva from Slava to Moskva is dumb as hell because in naval superstition renaming a ship gives very bad luck

[@airplanemaster1]

Generally, only if done in a slapdash, unofficial way. A relaunching ceremony with a new name as if the ship itself is new counters the bad luck.

[@Blackdragon271]

So basically its the exact same type of situation as the infamous IJN Taihou. A supposed supership with a poorly trained crew that got hit by a single torpedo from the USS Albacore and exploded a while after because they vented the fumes from an oil leak caused by it to the engine room. Honestly i would love for you to cover the USS Yorktown’s story vs the Taihou to show just how much this matters. The USS Laffey (Fletcher class) or USS Johnston would be a good one as well

[@kerbalaerospacelabs3445]

I am seconding this recommendation, the story of Yorktown's struggle is pretty amazing. Though neither of the two Laffeys were Fletcher class ships. One was a Benson class, and the other an Allen M. Sumner class.

[@Zarastro54]

Nah it’s worse than the Taihou. The Taihou from what I can tell didn’t have a bunch of safety hazards, it’s just the crew that let her down. Moskva was a floating safety hazard WITH an incompetent crew.

[@thefrunze.198]

@@Zarastro54 Moskva is nothing but a cool looking floating target Because thanks to it's anti ship missile tubes getting exposed

[@greener2497]

this is the dumbest comment i've seen regarding this whole moskva thing lol, there are so many bullshit i don't know where to correct you

[@tgsachris]

To be fair part of the issue with the IJN Taihou was poor training, the other part was horribly design since the ship was so over weight do to all the armor they added to it that it sat deeper in the water than it should have, which directly caused that torpedo hit and damage that doomed her. It's not like they just left the ship in a hole to rot until no part of it worked properly anymore

[@robertstenn1350]

How funny that the Ukrainian counter offensive progressed so quickly that even Lazerpig wasn't able to completely keep up while making this video. It has been an eye opener to see how every single part of the Russian military has grossly underperformed compared to what was expected of them. Of course the Ukrainians have fought with tremendous bravery and determination which in turn has made all of Russia's sloppiness and lack of preparation that much more apparent. I hope the free world will double down on support for Ukraine now so they can swiftly drive out the Russians and bring this war to an end.

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

Truly feels like the proper sequel to the Russo-Japanese war. Sure, the Japanese did a fine job earning their victory and the logistics situation is far different from moving stuff in the 21st century to Ukraine, but seems some things just never change

[@michalsoukup1021]

@@bubblesofthecoast6393 No, things change. They apparently got worse. The Second Pacific Fleet started looking like this. But through the efforts of its commander and a few decent officers, they sorted out the technical problems and taught their men to shoot straight by the time of Tsushima. Togo won because Japanese were better, not because Russians were incompetent.

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

@@michalsoukup1021 Well, there was still incompetency to be found. After all, a Russian medical ship did give away the Russian position, but that is a fair point; the Russians did put up a decent fight at Tsushima

[@LostFloat]

Putin suffers from the System that brought him to the top, Corruption

[@RandomPerson-ob1hk]

Sadly a bunch of the money for this stuff that's being sent over is being taken by big businesses so the trillions that WE DONT HAVE isn't even all going there

[@joelmonsion1639]

Mad respect for your reminder that war is hell. People who wargame from the comfort of their homes need to be reminded sometimes that behind 50,000 casualites are 50,000 real face. Plus 50,000 mothers, 50,000 fathers, and others who will never see their loved one again. War is not a game... also WHEN THE FUCK IS YOUR NEXT VIDEO!! Goddamn i've rewatched all your videos TWICE in the last month of waiting. I. WANT. MORE. LAZERPIG!!! D:

[@alalvarez7301]

which is funny, when you compare this video to the one he showcased earlier on with the pro-russian dude with the unironic anime girl gifs while looking like a living wojak. Straight up, that shows how little respect or connection they actually do have to the war they talk about so much and claim to be "experts" on. What a crock of crap.

[@jamesverner9132]

then why the F did they let some bald blok in Moscow treat it like a game. Those faces are incompetent and built the hell they currently live in.

[@Reyon88]

Russians don't matter

[@jayd5715]

you do have to admit it is good hearing every time that ukraine is getting closer to winning the war in ther favour

[@Darqshadow]

​@jay d yea but the cost is the lives of those who really didn't want to fight in a war but because everything that pays well in Russia requires military service to do so... they end up wounded, maimed, or dead.

[@Thunderbox247]

2:07 that aged like fine wine

[@jjfwwhlol5923]

Simple. It got upgraded to a submarine and was sent for a special operation to find sunken treasure, it just hasn’t come up yet And joke aside, I like what you said at the end so much as someone who comes from a line of people who served in numerous militaries throughout history. It’s easy to look at a number on a paper in war and think “this is good for (whichever side you’re on)” but what’s often forgotten in this war, and every other, is that the 100’s of millions who have died to a few mens ambitions all had a story to tell. And they’ll never be able to do so

[@jamescousins9216]

12:50, this is the moment everything clicked for me. The Russian Navy is still the Soviet Navy, much like how the rest of the military is still running on Soviet equipment, thinking, and corruption. My memory may be conflating a few details, but during the whole 600 ship navy debacle in the Reagan administration, there was an actual visit to the Soviet Union where Navy personnel got to walk around a guided missile destroyer. Don't quite recall if it was an Sovremenny or Udaloy class, but the big thing that stood out to the guy writing a report back to Washington was that the launch hatches on the anti-ship missiles were *rusted shut.* Navies are some of the most expensive pieces of military hardware out there, and Russia has never been able to truly commit to making its Navy catch up to the world. Whether Stalin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev, or Putin, the dollar doesn't lie. Whether its loud as hell nuclear reactors, constantly running your carrier's engines when docked to the point they break because there's no facilities for it to use shore power, or even basic maintenance, the Russian Navy can't afford to exist.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

The Russian Navy is the Soviet navy, but with 20% of the budget still trying to do the same thing

[@hollister2320]

Which is why I always laugh when Tankies bring up the Soviets “landing troops” on mainland Japan led to their surrender💀 They NEVER had the capabilities to begin with! Even after the US mopped most of the Japanese Navies best ships. Even in that state, the Japanese were still massively superior, and would have wiped out entire Red Army brigades before landing one soldier on their soil. There’s a reason why they never made it past Manchuria, because going any further would have been impossible. You know who actually had that capability? The Yanks and Brits…

[@jamescousins9216]

@@hollister2320 The Soviet invasion of Manchuria in 1945 is... well, the sort of thing Putin expected Ukraine to be. The Japanese Empire couldn't contest T34-85s and IS-2s, much less the amount of manpower they brought to the battle. Admittedly, the Imperial Japan perception was less about a 'naval invasion' and more that any operation by the Soviets past Manchuria would be completely unopposed. Everything, and when you look at how Ketsugō was written that is the entire idea, was meant to be put in opposition to the American landing zones. The army, navy, air force, and civilian population would all go to die in southern Kyushu and Satsuma to shock the Americans into offering favorable terms. So facing the prospect of an invasion from both the US in the south and Russia in the North, most of the military threw in the towel to protect Hirohito.

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

@@hollister2320 If I remember correctly, it was the US under Project Hulu that supplied the Red Army in the Far East with those ships, all 1500 of them. And the only time the Red Army tried to invade Japan beyond Sakhalin in Hokkaido they were blasted back by some small IJA garrison along the shore...

[@yorktown99]

"He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man’s name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace..." [from 'The Lord Of The Rings' by J.R.R. Tolkien]

[@ValleysOfRain]

Tolkien served in the First World War and participated in the Battle of the Somme. He knew what war was like and he hated it.

[@Xenomorthian]

@@ValleysOfRain so does everyone else who knows what war is like

[@anonymous-hz2un]

2:00 aged like a fine wine 😂😂

[@SWBF2-2005IsBestStfu]

Lazer Pig: "I may be Late to the party" Late, but accurate and balanced

[@astratan2238]

This explains partially why Ukraine attempted the strike at all - it may have been clear after long term observation (esp by drones) that the Moskva was vulnerable to attack. It’ll be interesting to find this sort of thing out after the war.

[@LeafseasonMagbag]

It is the Space Year 2022 A robot guides missiles to destroy a battleship. Russian propaganda is conducted with dancing Japanese cartoon girls. A talking pig provides excellent covered of war. We might yet conquer the plague that has ravaged the planet. And Russia still fights wars with under-armed children.

[@garmack12]

Yeah if you can fly a drone over a guided missile cruiser probably not a very well run guide missile cruiser

[@robinpage2730]

I can't wait for postwar wreck dives

[@badmouth1542]

Well said, you might’ve been late to the party on Moskva, but maybe having a bit of patience was good in the long run. This was the most comprehensive and factual analysis I’ve seen of the event since April. Thank you very much.

[@themeddite2935]

"Lost their ship to a storm" Okay, that makes it sound WORSE than it getting lost to enemy fire.

[@Weefy.]

I didn't really expect the ending, but I appreciate it a lot since many people don't realise how awful war is

[@articcenturion8387]

He was but 19 and just wanted to drive trains. Don't know if Putin even has a conscience.

[@ruffethereal1904]

It really helps humanize and put a literal face to the phrase, "War! What is it good for?!" Peacetime is great, but unfortunately, it also allows for so much of the horrors, nightmares, and harsh realities of war and its consequences to fade away, be forgotten, and for the people that new exactly what it was like to fear the threat of total annihilation on the daily to simply grow old and die, their stories passed off as just grandpa's rambling about how awful and how hard life was then.

[@InsectSpray]

A Russian friend of mine from when I lived there works in navy submarine technology development and maintenance office. Their whole navy is in this state. He had to develop from the ground up a new thumb ball mouse system for their submarines because the computer mouses kept being stolen.

[@OsnoloVrach]

sounds more like bulgaria if you ask me

[@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475]

3000 gaming mouses of Z army

[@OsnoloVrach]

@@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475 lol

[@ms3862]

As soon as the Moskva sank, Russia sent the entire Black Sea fleet to port, so shit scared are they that their mighty fleet can't even defend a couple missiles

[@OsnoloVrach]

@@ms3862 I cant believe in the past 20 years we compared NATO and Russia so much in medias like video games and movies just for russia to be this falling nation

[@cosmiccuttlefish5765]

Yet another video that is simultaneously able to combine biting comedy, briliant insight and heartfelt empathy to this war. There is nothing else like this on the internet. Bravo.

[@GcubePlayer8]

It didn’t sink it just promoted to a submarine

[@benchrant1782]

Would make sense since it has to sink capital ships while being invulnerable

[@brianchan8]

It’s hiding from the water tractors