OceanGate Is Worse Than You Thought

[@JedMcLovin]

I love how he's like "submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet." Then doesn't follow any of the safety guidelines that make them so.

[@PrinceAlhorian]

Exactly, flying is one of the safest forms of mass transit on the planet but you don't see me jumping off a cliff with a set of plywood wings.

[@ecm84ee]

They are, just not the ones he made.

[@trollman591]

I served in the US Navy on two different Submarines. They are safe because of a program called SUBSAFE which was created after the loss of the USS Thresher. I was part of that program. Mr. Rush was just reckless and just after profit not ensuring the safety of his passemgers.

[@wylie500]

They are safe because they are mostly going to depths of a couple hundred meters, not a few thousand, that's a whole different kettle of fish.

[@NoharaLoco-gw8ld]

@@trollman591 I kinda get where his attitude comes from. I see it a lot among the lower levels of the engineering community and especially from the ones who have never actually done the things they are doing engineering work to design. Its not so much about greed and being reckless, its more often from people who are dreamers at heart that couldnt achieve their lifes dream. I see it all the time where, after failing and/or coming to accept they will not fulfill one goal they turn to another with a passionate vehemence. Its not malicious or reckless per se, though it is very closely related to that. Rather, its the desperation to achieve something. I think this guy just wanted it so much and wasnt willing to take the time to make it work or find the flaws. He ignored the fundamental lessons in engineering because he arrogantly believed he simply knew better and his desperation to achieve it just let him blindly push on. Its sad because aviation is repleate with examples of why we dont rush new designs. Just look and the de havilland comet for a perfect cross comparison to the titan. An emtirely new design and technology built using a mix of new and old ideas and pushed into service without any extensive testing. A body count is the inevitable result. Whats a shame is that the technology behind the sub could very well have done what stockton wanted it to do had it gotten more research and development. But he didnt want to take that time, he wanted it now. Well, he got it and he made the most critical mistake in engineering, he tested to failure with his own life.

[@2stayweird]

Well, he got his wish. He will definitely be remembered for the rules he broke.

[@RAZR_Channel]

The Most Powerful Force in the universe is : Human Arrogance : leading to both of these tragedies… The idea that a ship is "unsinkable"… ignoring : common sense engineering… Man : "She's UnSinkable " ... God : " We'll See About That " ...

[@nickl5658]

man forgot that safety rules are written in blood and thus paid in blood.

[@SwissTHX11384EB]

You mean the hulls

[@SilkyLew]

​@@nickl5658Yeah, but the safety rules he ignored were already common sense. This isn't the 1900s where people were working in mines and didn't know any better

[@cannack]

​@@nickl5658 he`s a pilot too.... *he should have known that very very well* likely he disposed of it as mutter mouth B.S despite flying fighter jets as a test pilot. probably my first week or two of flight school I was told ``the big reason why aviation is so utterly safe is because of our rules, lessons & experiences *written in the blood of past pilots, aircrew, and passengers* ... safety is paramount, no exceptions whatsoever``

[@Dollarkat]

If I had a ton of money, the bottom of the ocean in a fiberglass, experimental sub is the last place I want to be.

[@sammathis6634]

But because you don't have a ton of money, you really want to be there?

[@sajiretto]

True. But you and I don't have a lot of money. We need to make money merely to exist in some degree. And knowing how hard it is to create wealth, we and others like us will never do. Those who have this amounts of money that does stupid shit like this never earned it, they merely got it by inheritance, crime or pure luck.

[@Dollarkat]

@@sajiretto I agree.

[@Dollarkat]

@@sammathis6634 no

[@DoraTheMFDestroya]

​​@@sammathis6634 Damn, you're kinda stupid "I like pancakes" "So you must hate waffles."

[@Nomadnetic]

Boy they weren't kidding with that promo video. It really was a once in a lifetime experience for them. They really committed to that.

[@raven4k998]

funny how everyone was worried about the game controller when they should have worried about the pressure vessel of the sub imploding🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MattMooresEyebrows]

"Don't miss a chance to be a part of history" yeah, they added to the exhibit alright, and now i wont get my chance. Lol

[@jimmygravitt1048]

Seemed like perfectly honest advertising to me.

[@raven4k998]

@@MattMooresEyebrows well yeah don't you want to become part of history don't worry your body will not be on display

[@AnaAmbrose]

Checklists

[@smokesletsgo2374]

The Titanic ended in disaster. The Titan ended in disaster. Lets see what Tit brings us

[@zanelendlovu3285]

😂😂

[@thebaccathatchews]

The T will end up destroying the world.

[@xokelis0015]

I bet disaster...

[@Bikelife_LX]

Titus

[@RiftWalker111]

3rd times a charm so, maybe Tit will have a good ending.

[@kdubbsthe3rd]

I've had a lot of bosses like Rush: they're so used to convincing investors and charming staff that they eventually think they can bullshit nature herself.

[@saligator8879]

true

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

Liquid Icarus

[@nick4830]

They attribute too much credit to themselves when things go right. Thinking that X number of dives without resolving problem Y must mean that Y must not have been a big problem and I'm smart for having discovered that--what else can I be smart for disregarding? Starting company X and having hundreds of people look to me for guidance must mean I'm the one who knows what's right and it's my unique decision making that is driving that success. I found the cheat code.

[@AngelaNortonTyler]

That's deep

[@alexxannomaly8735]

So true

[@BT293HG]

The iceberg is confused asf about why they got +5 assists a century later

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

It got a free rubix cube too.

[@Gay_Rainbow]

If it still exists now

[@gemini_islandgal268]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mdrdprtcl]

@@Gay_Rainbowiceberg’s ghost then

[@Samos900]

The iceberg watching it’s kill cam is just the slow effects of global warming

[@lindaweber5599]

I'm sixty three years old and I am really tired of grown men wanting to be seen as boy geniuses.

[@brightonluke3280]

"At some point safety is just pure waste." Welp, that's the last thing I would want to hear from someone designing a vessel going to the bottom of the ocean! Redundancy is the key to true safety.

[@nodlimax]

Well, if you look throughout history the biggest scientific breakthroughs have been accomplished while ignoring safety and quite a few people paid the price as a result. Early experiments regarding atomic power were done without any proper safety measures partially because they didn't know and partially because they thought they could handle it. Do you think it was a good idea to use a screwdriver in the demon core incident? It definitely wasn't but they did it anyway and the person holding the screwdriver died a pretty horrific death. He was warned about it before but did it anyway. As a result they learned the effects of deadly doses of radiation and what it will do to your body. This thing here was also pretty stupid but hey, things definitely have been learned as a result and every single person who was on that sub signed papers which multiple times mentioned the risk of death and that it was and experimental vehicle. Sooooo....

[@brightonluke3280]

@@nodlimax I was speaking for myself, if others want to die so we can all learn stuff from it then that’s up to them. Though in this particular case I think human trials were not necessary to realize his design was destined to fail. Plenty of other stuff is not as obvious and may actually need risk to discover the limits, Stockton Rush was too full of hubris to recognize the difference.

[@geroffmilan3328]

​@@nodlimaxLMAO it was abundantly clear - to any non-egomaniac engineer - that his design was a disaster. We know this from multiple internal & external sources. The lack of submarine accidents in recent decades is *precisely because* of regulations - designed in response to earlier disasters. He wasn't a pioneer: he was an idiot determined to prove the hard-earned prior experience of others was wrong, like a toddler having a tantrum because he couldn't have his own way. Now he's fish food. Sham it wasn't just him.

[@MrUranium238]

That's what my boss says every time 😄

[@annanardo2358]

Safety is a waste, that's why the designers of the Titanic put a few lifeboats onboard. Safety wasn't an issue, AND SO, THE TITANIC TOOK A "DIVE". What the he'll was he thinking ??? Safety isn't an issue, yeah well, I wouldn't have gone on the Titan if they paid ME to go on that submersible.🙄

[@louiefrancuz3282]

Oceangate is what happens when just enough knowledge to be dangerous is coupled with just enough money to be dangerous.

[@Darryl_Frost]

and in the hands of a narcissist.

[@rrh2918]

I think it should be with just enough knowledge to be dangerous and just enough money to be stupid.

[@TigreModerata]

I think that'll be the tag line of the 21st century, for whatever posterity will be left one day😂 too many too stupid people worth too much money. Dunning-Kruger on crystal meth, that's how humanity will be remembered by whatever species evolves to interpret our scribblings after us🎉

[@RobertCraft-re5sf]

@@louiefrancuz3282 Well said

[@paulbryan6716]

And a below 30 IQ to go with it.

[@philo5227]

"At some point, safety is just pure waste" If this isn't engraved on Stockton's tombstone, it should be.

[@kestrimurgel5155]

He doesn't have a tombstone. When the sub imploded, it basically liquidised everyone inside to a fine pulp.

[@uchytjes10]

​@@kestrimurgel5155I mean, that doesn't preclude a tombstone on an empty grave, which if found by an archaeologist without context would tell a hell of a story.

[@reviewchan9806]

The FDA has a saying that your regulations are written in blood. That's because at some point, someone died to figure this stuff out. Cherish it.

[@Poppa_Capinyoaz]

Either that or 'ignorant loser'

[@laurafrakinroslin]

Well, his memorial plaque

[@lane1368]

The hubris is astounding.The desirefor building cities under the ocean and on mars instead of trying not to ruin the one place that is suitable for humans.

[@ThatsHellBoy]

I said the same damn thing..

[@Caprabone]

Oh, but then they can't gatekeepers lives there.

[@emsa5034]

Yeah and also I think it’s just in humans DNA to spread out and “manifest destiny” as far as we can, just occupy as much space as we possibly can, either on earth or in space. Very odd and counterproductive.

[@lks178]

Not like a billionaire can do anything against a true elite.

[@vavord5181]

Ok greentard

[@nefrojas]

An engineering degree does not imply intelligence. I am living proof of that. I want you to know that my capacity for stupidity is quite great and involves several fields. Knowing your limits and a tiny dose of humility will keep you alive.

[@LoFi_Punk]

I can agree with this. I work for a company that makes some of the largest mills available in the Western hemisphere. I have been witness to engineers fucking up a $500,000 part and millions worth of machine equipment Thankfully I haven't personally witnessed any injuries and there been no deaths thanks to several layers of verification and safety

[@WilkinsonX]

Having that self awareness is surprisingly rare, and IME, a strong indicator of high general intelligence.

[@makogiron]

I always belive to keep going until you don't feel safe anymore. As in before hitting the absolute limit

[@saitouhajime3]

Don't forget the use of long known safety rules and what industry would call ppe - personal protection equipment. Stuff like glasses for your eyes, appropriate gloves, and hearing protection. Oxygen masks for air limited spaces. Those things. You don't ignore that stuff because it's annoying, it's there to make sure you go home in the same condition you got to work in.

[@joeq.public281]

It does. Just ask any engineer. 🙄🤣

[@sliver01]

"Statistically the safest vehicles on the planet" Yeah Stockton, until yours came along.

[@MrBeboopman]

Indeed ... due to the rigorous rules.

[@TheJadeFist]

He set the record as the first occupied submersible implosion in history. (There have been submarines that have imploded, but those a different type of craft)

[@generalcodsworth4417]

Exactly. If you say "this is the safest thing" and also "there's too much regulation on this thing" then I just assume you're a total idiot, because unless you can do TONS of tests to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the regulations are indeed too strict and can be relaxed without making the thing dangerous.

[@Blox117]

@@TheJadeFist does it count as a submersible or a garbage can?

[@raigarmullerson4838]

@@Blox117 both lol

[@orlandoventor1754]

It's, statistically,the safest way to travel because of the safety regulations Mr. Stockton was so enthusiastically breaking.

[@aliciaballesteros-mitchell1059]

Exactly what I thought when he said that. If they're so safe, why are you going around trying to redesign everything that made them so safe? Not even improving upon those regulations, just ignoring them all together....

[@FirstNameLastName-hz4kv]

My first thought when I heard him say that was "Yeah subs are safe because they were being built by people who didn't disregard safety like you do" lmao

[@786buzzable]

Oh the irony!!!!

[@SiSiSandro]

The rest of the sub industry must be so pissed. Maintain the strictest safety standards for decades, only for this dude to come along and ruin the record for everybody.

[@SalisburySnake]

It's really disingenuous to say that 15 million people have gone in a private commercial sub, when the vast majority of those are just plastic bubbles that go anywhere from basically zero depth to about 200ft. That's like saying that kids jumping on a trampoline are space explorers and including them in your statistics.

[@xsuzannex]

19 year old Suleman is the only one I feel sorry for.

[@theonionqueen3519]

Agreed

[@senormarston]

Hell no

[@DocR16]

​@@senormarstonhe was drug there by his dad you sociopath

[@Erika-xm2mi]

@@senormarston He's really the only completely innocent person in all of this. He didn't have an obsession with the Titanic, exploring or the ocean. He didn't think of himself as a scientist or explorer, and he didn't blow his money on a ticket - his father did. He was just a teenager who wanted to spend a bit more time with his dad.

[@shawnp601]

From a person with 25 years of submarine experience….Stockon said subs are statistically the safest vehicle for travel. What he failed to realize is subs have a nearly flawless record of safety because EVERYTHING is procedure driven and deliberate with safety as the number 1 priority

[@SilentThundersnow]

Titanium. He forgot that one small detail.

[@shawnp601]

@@SilentThundersnow I mean I get it…we wouldn’t advance technologically as a society without innovation so I applaud him for pushing the boundaries. If it was just him involved it would have been just an unfortunate accident. He, however, put other people’s lives in danger and profited from It. Those unsuspecting people may have asked more questions or just said “nope” if they knew the corners he was cutting. Makes you wonder how many other companies have this kind of practice.

[@SilentThundersnow]

@@shawnp601 yeah. I agree. I can see thinking outside the box and doing scientific experiments for innovation. True. The only thing is he refused to admit that he was in the experiment phase, and shouldn't have had paying consumers so he could afford his experiment. That was gross. And then when he heard all the cracking, he should've cancelled all rides. Like you said, he should've only risked his life. 😥

[@edd8914]

@@SilentThundersnowDidn’t he say it was an “experimental sub”?

[@DaWhiteWolffie]

It's cuz the people that make them are the ones that are going to pilot them and they REALLY don't want to die. If everything we built operated on that belief everything would be alot safer in life. Gonna build a new experimental airplane? Okay, YOU will be in the cockpit on the flights. New food additive? YOU will be the one eating it for the next few years to see what happens. The people that make money would be much more careful when selling their goods if it was THEIR lives on the line.

[@eerielconstantine5051]

Stockton was so smart he atomized himself and a bunch of others in a matter of nanoseconds without the use of a transporter

[@Apoplexy1000]

I had been hoping that before the submersible imploded the creator had had a long moment of clear understanding that it was going to fail. A groan of buckling structure or something. Just so he would have known what the price of his hubris was before oblivion.

[@bejbimama6689]

​@@Apoplexy1000 no, he probably blamed every one else

[@djinnxx7050]

​@@bejbimama6689"It's your guy's fault for uh... for... I don't know what yet, but when I do, it's all your fault!"

[@djsmeguk]

​@@Apoplexy1000sadly, he was toothpaste within nanoseconds. His optic and audio nerves would have been atomized long before they could transmit the catastrophic signal.

[@ABurntMuffin]

@@Apoplexy1000 contrary to what people are posting here, they were out of contact with the surface and in an uncontrolled descent in the pitch black for 10 - 15 minutes before it imploded. And while you might be going, oh haha he did get time to think about it, remember, so did 4 other innocent people. A kid and his dad... forced to hug and think about mom and beg their God for one more chance to see her. It doesn't matter if he was a billionaire, he was still real; he was still meat with feelings like the rest of us.

[@kwith]

The most tragic part of this whole story is the 19 year old kid who didn't want to be there. That's the real loss in this whole story.

[@chandlerbingbong5773]

@@youtubegarbage7876 Are you making a joke, or are you serious? Barron Trump is not going to save humanity. He's not the second coming of Trump.

[@RussOlson-pl3kf]

​@@chandlerbingbong5773Could be sarcastically saying it's too bad an asshole is still alive. Could also be an asshole hiding behind a joke.

[@gotisass6337]

@@youtubegarbage7876I'm convinced brainrot started because of politically addicted douchebags inability to grasp reality

[@natebowman7593]

@@chandlerbingbong5773 Oh? Did your crystal ball tell you that?

[@madeniquevanwyk]

He didn't want to be there? Oh no I didn't know that 😢

[@ISleepWithAFanOn]

"At some point safety is just pure waste." -Dead guy

[@Koyote747]

the "Rule Breaking" concept is something you apply socially, not in physics

[@porcus123]

Before CEOs were engineers now they are marketing guys

[@shinji1264]

Depends on how smart you are and how fancy Ur lab is

[@bigdog4574]

Not true… physical rule breaking is how we develop new sustainable technology

[@porcus123]

@bigdog4574 lol tell me an example? Because I don't think you can find one

[@shinji1264]

@@porcus123 He's right but you need a Cern scientist to explain

[@gambrinus330116]

he forgot one crucial fact. rules are written in blood.

[@jasonbourneistreadstone]

Quite correct. Safety rules come from past accidents.

[@fred9za]

This is one of the best quotes I have ever seen. I am so going to use it.

[@vracar2667]

True​@@fred9za

[@tw8464]

Exactly! The TRUTH! Can't stand these arrogant people who insist on flouting the rules, because you're absolutely right every one of those rules was written because people died. So anyone arrogant flouting these important rules wisdom and prior knowledge is truly a heinous person because he is in delusion not reality, no matter what he cons himself or others with his lies irresponsibility and nonsense

[@silviuvisan505]

​@@tw8464They are engineers and think "big gubmint tryna keep a brother down". They are not even very vook smart.

[@cityman1111]

It's a damn good thing that Rush didn't own a major airline.

[@LoLlamaWTM]

​@@Wohlstandsmuelli see what you did there😂

[@VREDFOX]

@@Wohlstandsmuell 21:52 That actually makes sense

[@annanardo2358]

OMG , wouldn't even want to THINK about the nightmare he would design to fly the skies...🤔🤔😗😮😮😮😖😖 cringe worthy , the very thought of him . I think he was watching too much Star Trek to think that HE could accomplish in this century what Star Trek accomplished in the 24th century. He needed to be REAL not watching cartoons and thinking "I could do that " attitude. 😖😖 WHAT was he going to do ? Design an actual STARSHIP to fly passengers around the globe ? 😄😃😃😆

[@paulbrookes413]

It literally wouldn't have been allowed to get off the ground !

[@paulboger3101]

@@Wohlstandsmuell You got this posted first!!

[@ShaquilleOtmeal31]

The craziest part of all of this, is that NO ONE FREAKING STOPPED HIM!! I can’t drive my car if I don’t have the emissions checked on it every year but this dude can create a whole ass sea-mobile with ZERO oversight or safety inspections/protocols to ensure compliance??!? Failure on so many levels

[@WokioWolfy]

Would you stop him at the cost of losing your job tho?

[@jackstapleton3132]

I mean land of the free this is just a very vague example.

[@MrZega000]

This is why regulations exist. He shouldn't have been legally allowed to take people underwater in that thing without approval from federal entities. This is basically the end result of being libertarian.

[@Styxswimmer]

​@MrZega000 no. The reason why he got away with it is because they only ever launched that thing in international waters where no govt has authority. Stop blaming free markets and libertarianism.

[@thewhitedread7572]

You can move to a state that's not California

[@gustavoaraujopenha8463]

He used the ''Submersibles are the safest vehicle'' line a lot without realizing that the why they are so safe was because of the rules he was breaking.

[@rubyruby7573]

Well Stockton Was Partially Right But Unlike Most Engineers Who Are Impaired By Safety Standards Didn't Have Better Safety Standards To Replace The Existing Ones With

[@aqira2yoo486]

Smart amirite

[@emilymorrison3186]

Dude played Subnautica on hard-core mode, thinking he was in normal mode.

[@mattdeaver6850]

He was also going 100x deeper than most commercial submarines go.

[@Zeupater]

He wasn’t thinking outside the box. He was ignoring physics.

[@pretty-fly-for-a-asshai-guy]

He was 'thinking' inside the box. But the box imploded...

[@cnccarving]

jaque picard dove into mariana trenchat least double the depth he built a steel sphere, with 4 inches wall thickness a sphere what is way more suitable geometry diving a few meter already the pressure can be sensed in the ear these depths are just unimaginable the pressure

[@Loveiswhatweneed-mx6tb]

Oceangate has been manipulated, something is down there guys, something we should not know, they stopped him from finding out. Wake up, the darknet has multiple whistleblower leaks. he found something down there.

[@libertyprime9307]

Bro is a dumbass. The Sun won't extinguish when it runs out of hydrogen, it will turn into a red giant and fry the Earth.

[@lunasuji]

Never seen a man's hubris piss off Poseidon so much since Odysseus

[@rachelvanbora4689]

Oh the wine-dark see now I have to re-read the Odyssey

[@futureghost162]

@@rachelvanbora4689 totally here for the random meet cute between you and @lunasuji

[@spartan2867]

​@@rachelvanbora4689everyone that reads it gets obsessed with that line lol. Joyce won't ever shut up about his little Greek words lol

[@PressXForXavier]

I laughed so hard I needed my inhaler.

[@gohawks3571]

Didn't he have another sub called that? Or maybe it was the rover....

[@ar6543]

As someone currently studying marine bio at university, hearing Stockton Rush talk about the ocean gives me the heebie jeebies. He didn’t actually care about the sea or the life in it, he just cared about industrialization for industrialization’s sake. Innovation with no regard for the consequences or if the product is even actually needed. His dreams wouldn’t’ve helped humanity or the planet, it would’ve just fueled his ego.

[@juliapayment8240]

right!!!! viewing the ocean and the life in it as a resource is absurd- as if there aren’t entire ecosystems there?

[@azuriiru]

I was very surprised about how he seems to not even realise that the ocean ecosystems are connected to those on land and implies that if we fuck up the surface we can still live underwater. Besides, the most ecologically productive and diverse parts of the ocean are shallow areas and the areas which light can reach, not the depths. Photosynthesis, and not other forms of chemosynthesis, is what's sustaining multicellular life on this planet, and that's just not available in the depths of the ocean. And he just throws scientific terms at you without any sense of scale or explanation of how these terms connect. I mean, he talks about the sun running out of hydrogen and human induced climate change as reasons to build cities underwater, but let me tell you, we have the time to make ourselves extinct a thousand times over before we need to worry about solar death. Climate change is much more pressing issue, on the other hand.

[@duplighoul]

i do zoology at uni rn and its pissing me off how he talks like preserving the land is a forgone conclusion. no point in fixing our mistakes lets just find the next thing to colonise. also the way he speaks implies he at least believes in climate change. how does a man whos based his whole career around the ocean not understand that even a 1 degree difference in the waters temp can cause all those 'resources' to change in unpredictable ways

[@senny-]

Many organisms in the ocean actually feed on wood. Yes, not sea algae, actual wood, from the land. Eventually, wood will drift on the sea, break down, and sink on the ocean. And there are entire ecosystems down there dependent on that. The way he talked about the ocean as him spreading his own empire without even understanding it, I rarely say this, but I'm glad his hubris got in check.

[@StuTheDon17]

He is one of the dumbest people I've ever heard speak before. If he didn't have a university degree and was jobless and homeless instead whilst saying the same things about living on the ocean floor, etc, we'd consider taking him to a mental hospital. The guy is the perfect example of having an education not equating to higher intelligence.

[@Grand-Massive]

The best comment I've seen about this: The difference between space and land is 1 atmosphere. The difference between the ocean and land is hundreds of atmospheres.

[@salaciousBastard]

*BARS!* I'm sorry. It just had to be said. 😂

[@blorglord]

are you aware of what that means or just regurgitating

[@Grand-Massive]

@@blorglord what makes you think I don't know what that means? Its basically self explanatory.

[@not-actually-that-creative]

​​@@blorglordI interpreted it as there being a lower margin of error for a deep-sea sub due to having to deal with pressure.

[@Donnerbalken28]

@@not-actually-that-creative Yeah. It's easier to keep pressure in than to keep pressure out.

[@deusexaethera]

His entire business model was based on "if I can't go to space, I'm going to try convince everyone else space is dumb so I can still be a celebrated pioneer in _something."_

[@wesleyfilms]

One giant copesession.

[@TheDerbon]

true

[@candlestyx8517]

"Oh no, Elon beat me to the punch, instead of making a competing company Im going to look towards the ocean so I can bask in all of the glory"

[@Crusadatron]

It is quite unfortunate too. The ocean is filled with some pretty cool stuff, but this idiot likely scared off a bunch of people who might have been interested in exploring it.

[@CyrusChennault]

Exactly. The man was a failure and a coward. Im so glad hes not here anymore.

[@Disinterested1]

I love the way he used the stats on how many trips were safely completed in subs then neglects to also add they were all certified! his was NOT!

[@PartanBree]

As someone who works in the marine industry, that's the thing that grinds my gears the most. The classification societies are not "over the top", they represent our cumulative knowledge of how not to die at sea. The fact there were so few accidents in these subs is testament to how valuable that knowledge is, but Rush wanted to say on the one hand "look how safe it is, nobody ever dies" and "all these safety rules are over the top, we don't need them".

[@Butchcavalier]

@@PartanBree This attitude reminds me very much of a mistake I (and many others in my position) made in my teenage years, thinking: "Hey, I've been taking this medication for years and years and I feel fine! Maybe it's time to stop taking it since I'm doing so well." only to realise after a VERY bad time that the reason I was doing so well was the god damn medication. The reason for submarines relatively low death toll is that people take their safety protocols very seriously, considering there is little to no hope of rescue at the bottom of the ocean!

[@planetdisco4821]

He also didn’t mention the depths most commercial passenger submarines go to. Which is a few dozens of metres tops for most of them..

[@newforestpixie5297]

Yes it’s bizarre that someone so clever or intelligent could quote stats of success which were thus because of the very rules he was proud of poo pooing 😁🐢

[@anjou6497]

Yes, and he didn't point out the glaringly obvious, that with every dive the Titan was getting weaker and weaker...re the carbon fibre hull and the titanium rings.

[@melrakan]

Douglas MacArthur is one of the last people I'd take advice from, but it's not surprising Stockton seemed to idolize him. Narcissists know each other.

[@raven4k998]

had the carbon fiber filaments gone in multiple directions it might have lasted💀💀

[@PolferiferusII]

Stockton didn't return.

[@opticfloyyyd]

McArthur has a reason to have a big head tho, i don’t think you understand his history.

[@rvsonthelevel8746]

This is why when everyone in the industry tells you that you are nuts, you should really pause and think about what you are doing.

[@en0n126]

It's funny too, because he drew a parallel to SpaceX and people telling them they were nuts. I think the difference is, the fact that the materials that SpaceX use unconventionally in their starship design were considered nuts because it was too heavy and the added strength wasn't needed. Over-engineered use of simple materials, meaning loss of efficiency. Rush did the opposite. He was nuts for using materials that were too weak for the application, likely because of the desired cost & weight savings.

[@rvsonthelevel8746]

@@en0n126 Yep! It is ok to be out of the box, just sometimes you can be too far out of that box. If you flirt with the edge too much you usually end up dead.

[@ApothecaryGrant]

In this guy’s mind everyone else has to be wrong when they disagree with him

[@MikeO-p8l]

Did that controller even have a pause button?

[@fireballmarlboroman3753]

​@@en0n12612:21 12:26

[@orangeppl]

The titanic didn’t kill these people, Stockton Rush did.

[@LoneWolf051]

yea seriously, the ship was just sitting there minding its own business

[@NickTaylorRickPowers]

Well apparently when you're rich they let you do it

[@Mrmidknight-yx9pg]

​@@LoneWolf051MENCINGLY

[@Kakarot64.]

I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow was responsible for the Titanic itself going down via accidental time travel shenanigans at the point of his bath toys implosion.

[@kasplatz553]

Literally my first thought when I heard that.

[@W0lfenstrike]

"We've partnered with Boeing" - Welp, that aged like spoiled milk.

[@hectorzambrano4092]

Boeing's reputation as well aged like fucking milk ever since they bought out McDonnell Douglas in 1997. Before that was safety first, now it's all profit, eventually leading to the 737 MAX's brand new circus industry.

[@cass_caps]

Went looking for this comment lmao

[@Loveiswhatweneed-mx6tb]

Oceangate was manipulated by govs. They found something deep down there, what we never should find out.

[@afhostie]

@@cass_caps First thing I thought of when I heard it

[@IgorValar]

that ad should have said "come and be part of the ocean floor" with this companys regards for any sort of safety

[@dhepermana]

"Let's call this sub Titan while removing all the titanium from it".

[@theaikidoka]

It didn't even have enough steel that you could name it Irony...

[@DanSmith-j8y]

It's possible he named it for the Titans from Greek mythology.

[@df-ft6iq]

@@DanSmith-j8y just like Titanium

[@DanSmith-j8y]

@@df-ft6iq Yeah, titanium's got nothing to do with it, that's the point.

[@tropictitan8531]

is the titanic made out of titanium too?

[@bificommander7472]

Stockton seems like he was told by a Greek oracle how he'd die. Knowing his classics, he didn't bother trying to avoid this fate, he just set out to give interviews that would seem as ironic and foreboding as possible after his death. "It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. We'll make sure of it."

[@leethax100]

This makes more sense than whatever other delusions he was actually under

[@sidequestsally]

this is an amazing take, I love it

[@bingbong3221]

It's a legendary tale of hubris, no joke. The ancients would've immortalized him in a myth or epic. Unfortunately for Stockton, we have 4K video.

[@obfuscated3090]

Never attribute to anything else what can be explained by hubris and stupidity.

[@terribleivan1475]

“Be a part of history”

[@Bevzthejcs]

The way he piggy backed the safety record of all other submersibles to “prove” theirs was safe while not following any of their safety protocols is staggering.

[@Argumemnon]

Yeah it's like saying that elevators are the safest way to move around and then throwing yourself in an elevator shaft with some bubble wrap around yourself.

[@Michael-yc5bp]

That is a flawed example. ​@@Argumemnon

[@isaacs3413]

@@Michael-yc5bp Ok making an elevator with some bed springs at the bottom and a rope that can only handle exactly the amount of weight required for the passengers. He was making something similar to the real thing, but without understanding multiuse stresses on materials such as carbon fibre and aluminium etc.

[@isaacs3413]

@MONEYBAGARTS Haha, he was being a stupid guy for sure. Might as well be looking for nemo with his level of understanding of physics. No nemo to be found but his body and those others to be for sure.

[@slinkiegirl2001]

All the fixtures and fittings none was certified some came from camping world man was a snake oiled salesman

[@rileyb3d]

"The best lifeboat for mankind is underwater." - Stockton Rush Go ahead and think about that statement for a moment.

[@ItsJustLisa]

I remember James Cameron being interviewed after the implosion. He was absolutely adamant about the fact that deep sea small vessels are made from titanium and were spherical for very good reasons. This man has been to some of the deepest places in the ocean. He didn’t trust Titan as far as he could have thrown it! There was also a Nevada billionaire who was offered the seats ultimately taken by the other gentleman and his son. He was really tempted to, but his own son said he wouldn’t set foot in that thing and laid out his reasons. Carbon fiber was a really big one. Nevada guy called Rush back and politely declined.

[@raygiordano1045]

Do you think the declination went some like: 'Thank you for inviting me on a one-way trip to the ocean floor in your death-trap, but something suddenly came up and I can't make it. Maybe next time?'

[@brandinojam24]

Explain how James Cameron would be able to throw a submersible.

[@LuminaryGames]

@@brandinojam24 He likely could not throw a submersible. Effectively throwing it 0 meters.

[@jinka6171]

@@brandinojam24Cameron thinks who he is…..

[@nosuchperson5578]

​@@brandinojam24lmao have you really never heard that phrase

[@nonamenoname9322]

Naming your sea vessel OceanGate when pretty much every controversy nowadays ends in the word “gate” was a choice.

[@judithstrachan9399]

When I saw the headline, I thought, “That’s clever, calling the Titan scandal ‘Oceangate’ just like Watergate.” I hadn’t heard of the company before.

[@hannnn5048]

@@judithstrachan9399i thought the same thing

[@georgeboomgaard6805]

@@judithstrachan9399 Don't forget "Heaven's Gate". That group thought they were going be with aliens. Whether underwater or outer space, both were screwed.

[@lanagreen5736]

Wasn't there a controversy called "pizzagate"?

[@mjleger4555]

I thought about that also. Frankly, it was quite fatuous to choose a name that denotes failure! I also learned long ago that when someone says "Trust me" often, that's a red flag. Even if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't pay that kind of fare ($250 million per person!) Especially when there are already probably hundreds of pictures of the RMS Titanic in several museums from previous expeditions to her gravesite. Why go down to dangerous depths where it's completely black and difficult to see anything! Yeah, I know bathysphere's have search-lights on them but still, what more did they expect to see that hasn't already been available to see in museums -- pure avaricious folly!

[@biggestofallmikes2997]

I feel bad for the kid who only went because his dad wanted him to.

[@LRM12o8]

That's the real tragedy. Such a young life cut way too short just because he didn't want to disappoint his dad on father's day

[@BADRHARI-t5r]

yea that's the saddest part, other crew members had their lives lived already, but not the kid.

[@katherinechatham9032]

Very sad. If your child has a bad feeling about something their parent says they should do..as a parent you need to wake up and pay attention.

[@SalisburySnake]

That's not what happened. His estranged aunt made up that story so they would point cameras at her. His mother was still on board the Polar Prince at the time and had no access to the media. Once she got back on land, she said he was excited to go. He was even planning to set a record for the deepest rubix cube ever solved.

[@Chest3rTheSquirrel]

only guy I feel bad for who was on that sub

[@juiceboxbug]

yo that ending shook me. great video man i genuinely enjoyed your narration and thorough research !! keep it up

[@k_a_bizzle]

Guy must have read the tale of Icarus and thought “yeah, but I’m going DOWN.”

[@Rayafaemusic]

Hah oh my goodness

[@pale_blue_ruby]

Instead of Helios/Apollo he went for Psiedon

[@fanalittletruthincog8168]

Pretty much!

[@love4music1992]

Dove to close to the titanic is the new expression.

[@0hushpiper0]

Both going downwards and going down!

[@trollman591]

I served in the US Navy as a Submariner onboard a Thresher/Permit class Submarine. For those that do not know the USS Thresher SSN 593 was the lead boat of the Thresher class that was lost on 10APR1963 with all hands and some shipyard workers. It created the SUBSAFE program which I was a part of. After the loss of the Thresher the class was renamed the Permit class. It was still a little spooky when I checked onboard my boat USS Haddo and seeing parts labled USS Thresher SSN 593 knowing the history. Stocton Rush and his disreguard of the rules of safety just horrified me. When this was reported in the news sadly I knew everyone was lost. After the stories started coming out about how he ran his company and how the sub was designed made me even more angry. He fired one of his engineers because he told him that his design would fail. I had no problem with him going down with is creation but sadly he took innocent lives with him. I understand the dangers of being onboard a submarine. I lived that life for 6 years.The ocean is a very unforgiving envirnoment. It is not a place to "Break the rules just because I feel like it"

[@Joker75113]

He pay the price and everyone do the risk.

[@kenn1936]

The engineer that was fired - believe me, he was the lucky one. Why would you want to be linked to a catastrophic failure?? He got out of there and never looked back. Stockton Rush was a narcissist, he cannot be TOLD he is wrong!! He even boasted about breaking the rules!!! As for the other passengers - only the youngster didn't realise the dangers - the disclaimer said DEATh about 3 dozen times. You are signing something that screams DEATH, DEATH. DEATH!! No amount of money can fix STUPID!!! You would never ever get me on anything like this for free, heck you would never get me on this for £1 million - I don't like risky things. I wouldn't get on a carnival ride - you have to rely on others to maintain it. I feel the same about travel. Risky!!!

[@thesilversurfer7136]

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. It is appalling to me how some businesses leaders just have no care or concern for human lives. The arrogance of Stockton Rush is breathtaking.

[@DaisyBeach23]

Thank you for your service 🙏🙏🙏

[@dakistle]

Good to hear a real Submariner's opinion on Stockton Rush.

[@wheresmyskin]

He was too focused on being remembered as a pioneer. Broke all the rules like McArthur said, pushing the exploration like Musk. Not enough focus on engineering itself, more focused on being remembered. And now he is. Forever remembered as an example of what not to do.

[@Evermourn1]

Just like MacArthur. I thought it was an odd example for him to pick.

[@LeSarthois]

And the irony is.. he was not even a pioneer. While not exactly common, we have plenty of experience diving at Titanic levels and far beyond. He isn't even a pioneer of anything. Unless you count "cheaping out on stuff we have literally decades of backlog to know what works and what doesn't" as being a pioneer. But I guess in his head, it was pioneering.

[@stagneso]

He will be remembered as the greatest idiot.

[@cjthorp4805]

He thought he was immortal

[@Juandinggong]

@@cjthorp4805everyone thinks that way until lights are shut off

[@denryuu3]

You thought I wouldn't notice the Naruto music in there, didn't you (excellent choice lol) Thanks for the video!

[@mousewizard]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAUGHT IT LOL

[@cabcalloway674]

"When the sun extinguishes, there will still be hydrothermal vents..." Meanwhile the Earth having been completely swallowed by the Sun 1 billion years prior to the Sun's death: How smart was this guy supposed to have been again? I'm dumb as hell and even I know that's completely wrong.

[@theuncalledfor]

The sun is only going to expand if humanity goes extinct before making it to space. There is no reason to allow this to happen if we/our descendants are still around. Doesn't take any super advanced technology, just a lot of manpower. More than most people believe can possibly exist, but that's only because it's so far outside our current experience that people can't imagine it.

[@kozko-xe1xl]

Me too,i knew that,he was so full of BS..

[@clem-lv2rw]

also the Earth's core would've cooled down long before that iirc so that's doubly stupid

[@frankfrimperton8266]

And even if he was purely talking about some sort of cataclysmic environmental disaster and not literally the sun “extinguishing”, underwater thermal vents would do fuck all for humanity surviving, even if it was at the bottom of the sea.

[@jluke168]

As far as I can tell, he was truly stupid, and operating under grandiose delusions. He hired people who would do as they were told, and fired those who raised concerns. Remember when Airbus had all the issues with their new composite wings? Basically they had to bond carbon fibre wings to metal supports. They spent an extraordinary amount of time and money getting it to work, and improving the carbon fibre manufacturing process. How do you know if it's 'worked'? You use non-destructive testing, so ultrasound or maybe even x-rays. Did oceangate do any of that? NO. Did they properly control the envirnoment when forming the carbon fibre? NO. (Contamination has a drastic impact on it's performance and longevity.) The thing had zero chance of being succesful given how they were 'engineering'.

[@ThisisCitrus]

Its crazy that woman lost her grandparents to the Titanic, and now lost her husband to the Titanic.

[@oldspiritart]

No, the latter was the Titan. The sunken ship can’t be blamed.

[@zakbrown9256]

And lack of braincells among the 3 people who went.

[@lordvonsteiner2452]

The titanic probably gave her ptsd at this point. And she wasn't ever on it.

[@trolltrama9780]

​@@oldspiritartshut up

[@jasonrusso9808]

​@@trolltrama9780you first Playboy lol

[@whatevr99]

Davy Jones: “Stop sending careless rich people down here, my locker is full enough as it is.”

[@steveo601]

He got a free Rubik’s cube out of the deal.Leave him alone😂

[@IAmNotDiluc]

Hahaha

[@mayo3648]

⁠@@bennyrobles9194from Pirates of the Caribbean

[@kkurrent66]

kek

[@Zoro_lost_not_found]

Man dug his own grave an built 4 more coffins and his own then threw then the ocean

[@matmatteo8238]

"when the sun extinguishes" the earth would have already been turn into a hellish molten surface planet by its star's expansion. No hydrothermal vents will be left

[@PresidentXi-i7k]

Well mabey reeeal deep like but by then the real deep like would be a shallow lake over the Mariana's trench as the world burned.

[@PresidentXi-i7k]

Aldo if the hesd brings out ringwoodite water earthcwould turn into venus tech.

[@ssuupa]

Like does stockton think that the sun would just politely extinguish itself 😂 that’s not how stars work lol

[@bonchidude]

There are a couple ways to buy time and mitigate this. Remove as much of the greenhouse gases as possible, plant more trees and that will make the Earth much colder and would buy the Earth another few million years perhaps. Use an asteroid to tug the Earth at a gradual rate so it ends up past Mars. And carefully keep tugging it through the asteroid belt if need be, although past Mars is far enough.

[@gee_emm]

In 7 billion years, when the sun begins to 'die', it will begin to heat, expand and either scorch or completely consume the inner planets. It is not a regular fire that will simply fizzle out. These people cannot distinguish sci-fi from reality. They watch films like 'Total Recall' and 'The Abyss' and build their mission statements around them.

[@alliu6562]

4:46 yes because there have been REGULATIONS for the past 35 years. These regulations were written in blood. They’re not just there to be inconvenient, they’re there to prevent completely unnecessary deaths. Rush, unfortunately, got to find out the hard way

[@TrappedinSLC]

That is the most baffling "logic" - did he never once stop to ask himself WHY there was such a good safety record?

[@pyroclastixx6969]

I dont think he found out at all, He died almost instantaneously.

[@judyhopps9380]

I do Scuba, so no where near these depths, but even then, the amount of safety checks and triple checks with equipment, personnel, and the environment are all reinforced by the mantra: checklists are written in blood. Once your head goes underwater you are in an environment that in its natural state, will kill you. This video was enlightening, but infuriating.

[@allewis4008]

It's true. Maritime law comes from dead people who never returned home.

[@mcrain1283]

@@pyroclastixx6969 I mean they were disconnected for like a minute before imploding

[@ALUCARD9091]

It sounds to me. He wanted to explore the ocean because he was salty about SpaceX.

[@alexanderulv3886]

And there sure is more salt in the ocean than in space.

[@Mqmn]

How is this your take away lmao

[@christianhansen3292]

he was delusional. rich people ignore reality

[@priyanshusharma1812]

Hey, the ocean is a amazing though whatever his intentions might've been you can't discredit the intrigue that oceans still hold to this day

[@israelquiroz7245]

I mean his whole life was a series of failures and him “choosing” something else to focus on… that he would later also fail at. That was the constant throughout his career.

[@johnmonahan6647]

"Safety is a pure waste" And that is how rich people think.

[@bonchidude]

It took 1/10 of a second for the vessel to implode. They did not even know what hit them. It was quick but brutal.

[@KOSMOS1701A]

Scott Manley put it best "At those depths humans stop being biology and start being physics"

[@virtualgambit577]

Implosion yes. But the dread of being unable to climb, the sounds of the hull. That’s something they would’ve heard.

[@juanin200]

@@virtualgambit577 1/10 of a second. If they heard anything, it was probably at the same time they ceased to exist

[@bonchidude]

@@virtualgambit577 They heard sounds and while there was some concern it was not alarming, but when it happened it was in a blink of an eye. They might have a bad vibe about the noise. the families need to sue

[@Markus_Andrew]

It was even faster than that, estimated between 1 and 35 milliseconds (depending on which sources you consult). A millisecond is a one-thousandth of a second, so at most, about 35/1000 of a second. It takes about 50-100 milliseconds for pain to travel from receptor to brain, and roughly the same for images to travel from eye to brain, and be processed. So yeah, it would have been over before they could possibly be aware of anything happening.

[@Barbaryotaku]

Looking for sharks in a cute yellow sub sounds like a cool business. Should have stuck with that.

[@skr4207]

1 million dollar revenue beats 5k.

[@Barbaryotaku]

@@skr4207 true. The 5k income however would still be around to spend their cash.

[@null_verdict]

​@@skr4207Not if they're dead

[@Six_Gorillion]

Looking at sharks with rappers. Sounds a good time. As long as you don't let diddy on board..

[@TheGuitarded1]

He talked a big game, but in the end couldn't handle the pressure.

[@Emca00123]

Naaaah 💀💀💀💀

[@tBeNz0]

Savage bruh

[@brandentaylor9146]

Most wild comment to this💀

[@arewecrazyyet]

His world just came crashing in.

[@theskorpioogaming34]

Budum tsss 😂

[@hearld9235]

22:16 “Dont miss the opportunity to be part of history” Those 5 victims definitely be part of history. Rest in peace 🥀

[@domdicenso1656]

"Stockton Rush" sounds like a name for a millionaire bad guy from the James Bond movies. It's almost to perfect really.

[@encycl07pedia-]

Except he was a fool, not a bad guy. He didn't try to delete anyone.

[@mikek9297]

@@encycl07pedia- He was a greedy idiot who wanted to claim the riches of the sea for himself but he realised he was runnng out of lifetime to do it so he began to rush through and ignore safety.., that's a bad guy. An entitled, selfish blowhard with overinflated ego who thought he was smarter than everybody else.

[@brodriguez11000]

Or a line of cocaine.

[@jamesmunn576]

​​ @encycl07pedia- Unironically, not following the strict guidelines... he, in fact, is. Fixed it for you Nazi. Thanks!

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@jamesmunn576 he, in fact, is.* Stop butchering English.

[@dylevente]

his parents really set him up to be an eccentric millionare with a name like stockton rush

[@petergamache5368]

There's a name that has two paths: either private school or getting the snot pounded out of you.

[@ManWhorse]

Sounds like the main villain in a slobs vs snobs comedy. Should have a sweater tied around his shoulders

[@ItsKirbyTime]

Ace attorney ahhh name

[@bobdrago6965]

@@ManWhorseExactly!

[@Julia-nl3gq]

I think his money was part of the problem. It made him used to getting his way, and made him think he was above the rules.

[@MrEnjoivolcom1]

I firmly believe James Cameron when he says they all watched and heard the very moment it imploded. He said they knew instantly that was it. That the searches and all wad pure show because they needed to appear as though they were trying.

[@ferociousgumby]

Oh yes, the famous tapping noises.

They have to justify their budgets and use this as event to ask for more bucks like they will somehow gain time powers with a 20% budget increase.

[@pauliewalnuts240]

Search & rescue teams always search for a person for atleast 3 days, which is the amount of time someone can survive without water. It wasn't just this sub. While the implosion was most likely the sub, they dont stop searching unless there's clear evidence the victims died. They can't be 100% sure it was the sub, so they continue searching just incase the noise was something else & they're still alive.

[@desertweasel6965]

​@@ferociousgumbythey were tapping Morse code on the inside of the sub😂😂😂 no, they were already vaporized by that point.

[@zarasbazaar]

The person from the US Navy who coordinated with the Titan crew said they are required to act as though it's a rescue until they get visual proof that it's a salvage.

[@Smileyface-eater-on-paws]

0:35 sure bud

[@cczeroX]

"When the sun extinguishes, there's still gonna be life under water" - how to you get to an engineering degree not knowing that when the sun winks out it takes the entire solar system with it?

[@samuelrosenbalm]

When it becomes a black hole, yes. But in some of it's phases, which will last a virtual eternity, while the sun would extinguish life as we now know it, in truth, life may very well continue under water for a time, as it provides several more atmospheres of protection. With the right technology, humanity may end up spending the vast majority of it's existence under water, beginning past the far, far beyond. Maybe learn to broaden your horizons before you go badmouthing your betters, those who at least had the courage to look beyond and dare mightily. There will always be naysayers who sit back on their asses, accomplish nothing, and laugh when great men who have accomplished something fall.

[@DystopiaWithoutNeons]

Even ignoring that, by that time how much energy would earth still have in its mantle? If a nuclear gas furnace we called the sun, orders of magnitude bigger than the Earth has already been extinguished in practical terms (I know there will still be a white dwarf), what energy does earth have by then?

[@threePwny]

Not necessarily. As the sun expands into a red giant, it's not even certain whether it'll consume Earth. Granted, even if it doesn't totally continue Earth, it'll still get far too hot with far too intense radiation for anything on the surface, including the oceans, to survive. But Earth just might avoid total destruction as a planet, and there will likely be at least a billion years where evolution of life will become viable on the outer planets. But once it loses too much mass and becomes a white dwarf, it'll be far too cold on those outer planets for life like ours, even though they'll probably still be intact

[@wobblemind]

Exactly my thought! Lol I am starting to think that this guy wasn't particularly bright 😌

[@KanuckStreams]

And even before the sun is extinguished, it will *expand* into a Red Giant, which will engulf Earth.

[@peter572]

Stocton's ambition reminds of the people who climb mount Everest and K2 without oxygen tanks. Sooner or later the unforgiving nature will get you!

[@shawnalfaro6943]

hubris

[@joeakajoe1]

Im guessing you mean the non climbers who scale Everest, the people that dont use oxygen are usually seasoned climbers who are used to dealing with the thin air

[@bluedistortions]

Yeah I think you have that backwards. The guys who can climb without oxygen have practically lived on the mountains, like the Sherpas. Their bodies have changed due to the harsh environments. It's the people who only want to climb one mountain, and decide it's going to be Everest, who join a massive tourist group of novices who endanger themselves and others.

[@peter572]

@@bluedistortions I agree with your analogy, but numerous Sherpas have died due avalanches etc and perhaps a handful due to altitude sickness. Sherpas are better adapted to cope with the Death Zone, but they are not invulnerable. Numerous world famous mountaineers have died on the unforgiving peaks (highest kill ratio is on K2), some if not most on the way back., during the descent. It is called the Death Zone for a reason and whoever goes there without oxygen tanks is playing a Russian roulette with a loaded gun!

[@jeanremi8384]

look, I hear you. Counterpoint : We wouldn't even have seen what those peaks looked like without ambition against an unforgiving nature.

[@12DollarMcChicken]

"Boeing assisted the creation of this Sub" well now we know lmao

[@en0n126]

It's funny too because you can bet that all Boeing did was teach them how you can make & attach a fiberglass tube. That's probably it, as they wouldn't really be able to speak to much else he was doing. Yet his "partnered with" designation is surely there to try to lend more credence to his unconventional design choices. Lots of places can teach you the same thing, but Rush had the money to go Boeing for his lesson so he could name-drop them.

[@williamwallace9826]

Except that Boeing wasn't involved.

[@en0n126]

@@williamwallace9826 They literally show in the video that they claimed they were partnered with Boeing...

[@BronzeAgePepper]

Not saying it was a conspiracy on their part, BUT, ignoring the blood they DO have on their hands and not thinking they'd want a maverick with money like Stockton "taken care of," is simply naïve

[@12DollarMcChicken]

@@BronzeAgePepper now you’re cooking

[@dashobie]

Oceangate offers you the opportunity to die underwater.

[@TheBsmith97]

on a lighter note, Macklemore's love for sharks is so fucking wholesome.

[@aguy7848]

Sharks are beautiful misunderstood creatures. They are so important and yet humanity has treated them horribly to say the least.

[@positivelyno]

He should go swim with them

[@bluesbest1]

It was delightful to see his excitement. Props to Stockton for giving him the opportunity.

[@Simon123Pik]

Sharks are so fucking cool imo

[@Simon123Pik]

​@@aguy7848True

[@immortanjoe9362]

"When the sun extinguishes...." When we reach that time in our future and the sun does run out of fuel, the oceans will be gone because the sun will either scorch or envelope the earth as it expands into a red giant. This guy was considered intelligent and doesnt know basic astronomy?

[@basstrammel1322]

He knew, he was just misleading whoever he was talking to there. As he did many times.

[@MySerpentine]

Not to mention that *animals* have only existed for half the time they're talking about much less humans. Two or three other sapient species could evolve from scratch by the time it's relevant.

[@RetroviaProductions]

Plus even if it did go the way he thought, the oceans would just freeze over 😭

[@MySerpentine]

@@RetroviaProductions There would still be liquid water at the bottom for a very long time, since the ice on top would insulate it, but the pressure would be so dangerous that just living in caves and using reactors for energy would be infinitely easier.

[@LoonyYunie]

I wonder if he also thought California was gonna fall into the ocean some time soon, too.

[@SrFrancia0]

4:40 "In the last 35 years there hasn't been any injuries in submarines" he took that as a challenge

[@Aye.Eye.Captain]

His gamer score is insane tho

[@qoph1988]

As if that is some kind of magical effect that prevents any jackass in a homemade contraption underwater from injuring himself.

[@garburto]

“And I took that personally.”

[@fgggg4337]

He said “I’m gonna break the streak”

[@mitchellbarton7915]

"Statistically, they're the safest vehicle... Let's change that."

[@skylinerudy]

Not the Naruto panic music at 26:22

[@soccerstreak75]

thank u lol I was looking for this. Like aww shit its getting serious now

[@ladybananas9738]

Lmaoo I said the same thing😭

[@insane355]

I scrolled way to damn looking for this comment 😭

[@dutchvanderlinde5004]

That was so dumb. Most of us knew they were all dead while the media pretended for days they could be alive. Only an idiot would have gotten on that thing.

[@Kakomonour]

You know you did an ASS decision when Dutch Van Der Linde himself says it was dumb

[@volbla]

Lol, that reminds of the onion's "autistic reporter Michael Falk" reporting on some missing hikers, and he just tells everyone they're obviously dead.

[@Ant1ev0]

man you are so smart!

[@Ant1ev0]

at least yo got a plan, right

[@demilung]

Media needs your clicks, this is the era of ad views

[@kingschwag4208]

“When the sun extinguishes there will still be thermal vents in the ocean”….Stockton must have forgot/not know how the sun would get to that point cuz there would be no earth at the point the sun is extinguished

[@alphadawg81]

I thought the same thing. Was he really that ignorant regarding this matter?

[@Jfieldsend94]

There's like a small chance that we won't be engulfed by the sun before it collapses but by that point the earth would be boiling.

[@joegrimes9232]

the sun expands engulfing the earth and collapses into a compressed space/time that we would fucking vaporise way before that even happened as the process takes millennia.

[@jerrylong381]

There might still be an Earth, but no oceans or life. Just more of this man's magical thinking.

[@alphadawg81]

@jerrylong381 There won't be a earth . The sun will grow that much, turning into a Red Giant that earth will be "swallowed" by the sun.

[@srf2112]

Ironically, by virtue of taking himself out, Stockton Rush remade submarines into the safest vessels again.

[@bonchidude]

carbon fiber will get u jail time at this point.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@bonchidude At least for this purpose. Might be able to make it work safely for those within 100 meter dives Just not y'know Attempting 4000

[@fkajstn]

*gets really into video* *hears Naruto combat music* Me: “it’s getting serious”

[@jamesmir89]

He partnered with Boeing to ensure safety. Nice.

[@MarioKartSuperCircuit]

Boeing and safety doesn't seem to go hand in hand lol

[@theflash691]

@@MarioKartSuperCircuit “If it’s Boeing I’m not going” “If it’s OceanGate it’s up to fate”

[@scottguertin261]

Not to mention that Boeing and all of his other partners have denied that they were part of the process.

[@Ulvetann]

"At some point safety is just pure waste" Famous last words. Literally.

[@michaeldebidart]

Those were very likely not his last words, so no not literally

[@captain007x]

Which no airline everr said to it's passengers.

[@zerkoff]

what i dont think stockton understood is that safety measures aren't there because something bad will always happen, but just in case it does

[@rgfdg4y46]

@@michaeldebidart Thank you. It is frustrating how people don't understand the term literally. It really isn't that hard.

[@gfuentes8449]

he was correct, he just picked the wrong cutoff point

[@K.Marie119]

- The Titanic wasn't responsible for this farce, Rush was. - Building a functioning city at the depths near hydrothermal vents poses more challenges than space travel. - When the sun finally dies, if the Earth even still exists it won't be able to support life anymore. The atmosphere will erode, temperatures will soar, all the water will evaporate, etc. - Gee, I wonder WHY there hadn't been any accidents on private submersibles for so long... For a so-called genius, Rush sure has some awful "logic." I wonder if this whole mess could actually qualify as something like gross negligence or malfeasance, given all the warnings, blatantly ignoring why submersibles are built the way they are, etc. If I were a family member, I'd be consulting a lawyer.

[@sclarin2]

he sounds more like a great bull$shitter than a genius to me

[@gerardmackay8909]

So true it’s elementary school stuff that when the Sun starts dying it becomes a Red Giant and everything from Mars inwards (including Earth) will be incinerated. His underwater cities near thermal vents is infantile moonshine.

[@kaneSbreh]

A lawyer cant do shit cuz all of the people that went on signed a waiver and accepted that it was experimental and that they could potentially die. Its their own fault.

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

Yeah, that didn't work out so well in "Bioshock" either but at least that was fiction.

[@OsirisLord]

Both building cities on the bottom of the ocean or in a vacuum or near-vacuum environment presents the same hazard: if something goes wrong everyone dies. Remember how in The Martian a microscopic flaw in the fabric of his home got wider and wider every time he went outside until eventually one day it lead to a full depressurization disaster?

[@BudFox3773]

“Statistically they’re the safest vehicles on the planet.” As a broke submarine accident attorney, I can confirm he is correct.

[@ODST626]

Rules and regulations are written in blood. Their blood will be used in newer rules and regulations. Remember kids. The rules are there for a reason. And more often than not it's to keep you alive. A shocking amount of people don't realize how many rules are there to protect you from yourself.

[@raven4k998]

yeah and this is why had he replaced the carbon fiber hull when it was done instead of keeping on going with it he would have been an innovator but instead he buried his head in the sand instead of being an innovator with ocean gate because the carbon fiber hull was breaking down like the shell of an air liner breaks down over time the difference with air liners is when they reach the end of life the planes retired and replaced instead of what ocean gate did

[@domfjbrown75]

Tombstone technology. Happens all the time in the aviation world. Boeing, anybody? That's a case of putting Greed over engineers. Same as Challenger.

[@sambranton3346]

Noone knows exactly why it failed, only assumptions, the media gaslit you all to repeat the hull failed. I'm sure it did but maybe some one did something to make sure it failed the moment did, ironically around the same time as Hunters guilty plea. The perfect smokescreen. If you think these people wouldn't go to such lengths to keep their wealth and power look at 9/11. Keep an open mind. Don't let them brainwash you.

[@NotMoriarty1]

@@domfjbrown75 well as I remember, challenger blowed up because of an O-ring

[@buffhorses3632]

​@@domfjbrown75 Challenger blew up because they launched on a day that was too cold for the oring to properly seal. Had nothing to do with greed.

[@bejbimama6689]

14:36 That's not true. They didn't pass the tests for submarines because Rush not agreed to do them. He claimed that these tests were bad for carbon fibre construction. And he was right, because those tests were for real submarines, not carbon fibre coffins. Let's not forget that he fired the man who made warning note about the safety of the vehicle construction.

[@glazierblue573]

"We risk Capital, not people!" That didn't age well ☹

[@soldierbreed]

Do subs not need to undergo failure test like planes. Were you have to simulate usage untill failure. So you would go okay it breaks after 10 dives so we have to take it out of service after 5 dives.

[@allewis4008]

@@bejbimama6689 "We don't need old white guys telling us what to do"

[@brianwells6918]

@Ayedidyae You should write a blog post,or make a video explaining to laymen all the engineering and construction issues. I bet a lot of people would be interested.

[@minorityofone1510]

Every nut and bolt on a submarine is tested and traceable. This idiot had the gall to compare a jerry built cylinder with a playstation controller to a submarine 🤡🤡🤡

[@Nicksonian]

Rush was not so smart. He broke the rules that were in place for very good reasons. You break the rules and people die. His level of hubris and arrogance are disgusting and disturbing.

[@Alfred-Neuman]

When I was a kid I built a small Titanic model from a kit, I painted it and everything. I'm not sure what happened with it but I think my mother just threw it in the garbage during one of our numerous relocations. Every 2 years or so we were moving somewhere else because every time she though she found a place where she could finally find happiness. She never understood it's a lot easier to be happy when you're a nice person and you're not constantly being super annoying with everybody around you...

[@anjou6497]

Exactly. Part of him was like a spoilt little boy. It's like he never grew up.

[@towhee3400]

THIS!!! There's a huge difference between *wisdom/intelligence* and *charisma.* Rush was INCREDIBLY charismatic, and while he was a knowledgeable man, he was not a wise nor intelligent one. A smart person would know the rules and safety regulations are THE REASON why no accidents had happened in over 50yrs. And now we see the direct result of why industry regulations are necessary to follow.

[@ferrellsl]

Definitely a case of FAFO. At least Stockton can't take anymore people with him now and more people will think twice when another clown like Stockton cooks up dangerous and wildly expensive underwater tours.

[@junniebear49]

It’s insane people took this man seriously, but we seem to be in an age where idiots impress other idiots with bullshit and wealth. Elon, trump, Kanye, a lot of these celebrities…They think they are above the consequences of reality atp. Fools.

[@miltonbuu]

This honestly made me laugh, but over time, it just brings frustration and anger

[@panther105]

As soon as you hear "I want to be the Space X of the ocean" and *When the sun dies we can live in the ocean" then follows it by saying "You have to take risks ...etc" ...You had better run for the exit

[@Zedsdead83]

Those guys glueing it together with un gloved hands, wiping it down with a rag tells u all u need to no. Cowboys putting together a homemade pos.

[@O___P]

I've seen people do epoxy tabletops under vacuum. If people put more care into making tabletops than deepwater subs, you know something's funky.

[@Zedsdead83]

@@O___P exactly.😂

[@night_owl365]

I thought the same thing. This thing could pop like a balloon and you're being so cavalier about it. Even if they are billionaires, they were lied to. Especially the father and son.

[@chadimirputin2282]

I've built airfix model submarines with better build quality and structural integrity than that thing. 😂

[@owie4070]

​@@O___P damn 😮

[@bigrich6750]

He was absolutely right. His future was underwater, and there, what’s left of his body, will remain for all time. I’m not an engineer, but I’ve been a scuba diver for over fifty years. There’s a reason scuba tanks are made out of aluminum or steel, and require pressure testing every five years. No matter what material you take underwater, it is subjected to pressure, and eventually the expansion and contraction takes its toll. Each 33 feet deep is one atmosphere of pressure. The surface is 14.7 psi. Go 33 feet deep, and you have doubled the pressure. That will easily burst your eardrums, unless you have equalized the pressure in your ears, or cause an embolism in your lungs if you come up too fast without exhaling. Go 12,000 feet deep and there is well over 5000 pounds per square inch of pressure, PER SQUARE INCH, that is, like a hydraulic vice, trying to crush whatever enters that domain. Anyone should have known that a composite was not going to last long under those pressures, but I certainly understand people trusting an authority figure who had convictions and seemed smart. I’m sure their families wish they had not.

[@SianaGearz]

Steel is a relatively non-fatiguing metal, depending on alloy, but alu is fatiguing. Pressure testing is important but incapable of revealing fatigue, they would need to be ultrasonic, electromagnetic and X-ray tested for that. The other approach is just put a high margin of design safety and have a clear guideline after what time or how many uses the tank must be discarded. The actual deformation in alu tanks is low enough that they are deemed safely designed, and after all there is an existing experience and the adequate lack of willingness to push the boundaries there. Composite is of course a fatiguing material as well, but the conscience for sufficient safety margin was missing in this instance, even pressure testing that was performed was not proper. The other problem is of course interfacing from composite pressure pieces to metal hull pieces - normally making a pressure vessel from adjoining dissimilar material sections is a big no-no.

[@theMAKAproject]

There are plenty of carbonfiber SCBA cylinders. They've proven themselves for decades now. The only reason we don't use them underwater is due to the extra lead we would need to add to dive with them, makes them sorta useless for diving.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

​@@SianaGearz metals tend to show signs of fatigue before failure. Carbon fibre is notoriously hard to check for it.

[@bigrich6750]

@@theMAKAproject Carbon fiber tanks will not work in scuba due to the extreme pressure scuba tanks are under in all phases of use. Carbon fiber can be used on the surface where there are not huge pressure changes, like there is with diving. They would not last in scuba for the same reasons the submarine did not last. The same thing that happened to the submarine would eventually happen to the carbon fiber tank, and that would be very bad for the diver. You are right that the reason they are used is because of weight, but not right that they are not used in scuba because they’re too light. They are not used in scuba, because you cannot fill them to the same pressures to which steel and aluminum tanks are routinely filled. Firefighters can’t have a 30 lb steel tank on their back, and they don’t need the volume of air a scuba diver needs, and their tanks are not subjected to the tremendous pressures from depth that scuba tanks encounter. Trust me, as someone who has worked in a dive shop filling tanks, and as a dive master and instructor, and humped hundreds of tanks on and off of boats, if a carbon fiber tank would work in scuba diving, the sport would fully embrace them, and the manufacturers would make billions in the scuba industry. They will not work in scuba for the very same reasons carbon fiber submarines don’t work. First, you cannot fill them to the same pressures as steel or aluminum. 3000 psi, is the normal fill pressure of a scuba tank, but to get that pressure in a cool tank, you often exceed it, understanding that the pressure will come down as the tank cools. Tanks heat up quite a bit from filling to the high pressures needed for scuba. A cold steel tank will be hot to the touch after filling. You cannot subject a carbon fiber tank to that over and over again, like you can with steel, and then send it down under 5 atmospheres of pressure where the pressure externally is over 70 psi on the tank. As you breathe from the tank underwater, the internal pressure is reduced and the external pressure starts trying to crush the tank. That doesn’t happen on the surface. On top of that, hydrostatic testing is required by federal law every 5 years. Scuba tanks are filled to 5000 psi and the expansion of the metal measured. If the tank has become brittle and does not expand, the tank is failed, and can no longer be used. I have steel scuba tanks in my garage that are 50 years old, and can still be used. You won’t find a carbon fiber tank still in use that long.

[@a.s.h.5774]

Well said

[@lilypeach3786]

Dude the edit of those last seconds in the video gave me chills in the same way those history channel shows used to. The editing is amazing!!

[@philippvoid1800]

"after we have trashed the surface of earth, we can go ahead and exploit and trash the bottom of the ocean"

[@MeadeJ67]

Cry.

[@Khymeira]

@@MeadeJ67 me when i'm regarded and think i live on Earth 2

[@slsthewriter1299]

Fortunately, I don't really buy that's going to happen the way he thought it would, because there's a reason why so many animals literally evolved to leave the ocean. The ocean is scary. It is far less merciful than the land is.

[@MySerpentine]

Seriously, these people are like locusts with stock options.

[@crankychris2]

Then we will go to Mars and trash it too.

[@ContagionV]

"This is why you want your pilot to be an engineer" This dude was an egotistical businessman and hustler. A supposedly "smart" engineer who touts the safety of submarines, would know safety rules and regulations exist for a reason.

[@ramr7051]

He was unwise, but he was still very intelligent. Just sadly arrogant and wrong.

[@kaiyote7924]

​​​@@ramr7051 Intelligence and wisdom are not equivalent. The buzzphrase of "there is more than one measure intelligence" is often misconstrued. But Stockton proved it's relevance... 1. Smart/intelligence; the ability and ease to learn and recall 2. Wisdom/adaptability; the ability to apply that intelligence pragmatically to new situations 3. Reflective intelligence/diligence ; the ability to test and retest, the accountability to value verification beyond and above ones-self. Challenger O ring whistleblower "do the right thing, no matter the cost" not adhering to that it could be argued is what led to the US space program fall into privatized hell... To be surpassed by foreign adversaries, yet still to recover and keep up. All because hearing "yes" was more important than long term national security and competency.

[@jumpsuitCD]

You can always tell a businessman vs. engineer based on their outlook on regulations

[@CocoWantsACracker]

The worst part in my opinion is that he did not live to be prosecuted for all kinds of things he did wrong and/or to be mocked by pretty much everyone alive.

[@Six_Gorillion]

@@ramr7051 So intelligent he used brittle carbon fibre instead of industry standard titanium to save money and died with innocent people because of it. Peak CEO behavior.

[@stevethepirate8907]

OceanGate, Heaven'sGate, Watergate, I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

[@liliya_aseeva]

We in Russia already use "-gate" as the formable particle of composite words with meaning "scandal"

[@cheeki3998]

GOLDEN GATE???????? HELLO?????????????????????

[@Frankensteins_Highboy]

​@@cheeki3998flood gate

[@newforestpixie5297]

@@liliya_aseeva a few years ago in England there was an incident where a Cop wouldn’t allow some extremely important person beyond a security gate in Westminster/ Houses of Parliament whilst calling the indignant person a twat or something insulting . The ensuing hoo ha or fuss because of the persons’ status was literally labelled by tabloid newspapers as …Gategate ! 🙄🐢

[@Peers..]

Pizza gate (US conspiracy) Party gate (UK covid related inquiry) Farm gate (something to do with Uk farming) We have loads in the UK, it's practically anything that we have an 'inquiry' into, they usually end up being a cover up

[@nycish7148]

5:37 That hairline though 😂

[@wasuh464]

"were gunna have cities underwater. People will be living down there" Bro wanted to become the real life Andrew Ryan

[@JailerGamer]

Bro has played too much Subnautica

[@gunscontrol7]

nah he wanted to find the bioshock city

[@rubyruby7573]

Stockton Had No Idea What It Took To Build Rapture

[@rubyruby7573]

@@JailerGamer Bro Did Stockton Not Pay Attention To The Cyclops Maximum Depth With Upgrades Yeah The Titanic Is Deeper Than That

[@FrancisWilly96]

Throwing on “Gate” to any business, social media platform, church, etc. is a direct path to demise.

[@a_planet_on_fire]

Idk Heavens Gate worked out fine... Oh hang on.

[@Faretheewell608]

@@a_planet_on_fireAnd burglars hired by a politician

[@aprilhamlincoln]

...except StarGate. That was effing awesome

[@a_planet_on_fire]

@@Faretheewell608 fun fact: the organisation that officially paid the burglars was Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President. It went under the acronym CREEP. 🙂

[@bananacathammock]

right????? who thought of that name? and they thought the bad one was the cyclop one...

[@mercedes.c.w.]

he was going to the Titanic, named his submersible Titan but then chose to use *rereads* Carbon Fiber?? Not Titanium??? it’s literally in the name

[@laurenm3148]

This is one of my favorite takes

[@marcleewinser8534]

Stockton Crush?

[@dreamingflurry2729]

There was Titanium - the inside of that tube they wrapped the carbon-fiber around was titanium if I remember correctly (correct me if I am wrong)...but titanium is a problem too! Why? It likes to form micro-fractures if you go to or near crush debth! That's why the US-Navy, the Royal Navy etc. don't build titanium subs! Ok, that an price! Titanium is hard to weld (the Soviets - who did build titanium subs! - found that out!)...still, a sub who can handle less and less debth as it ages (more and more cracks forming, thus less and less crush debth) is not cool, even if it will dive deeper than regular subs for the first few years of service!

[@jackthurman2642]

I love this

[@rustomkanishka]

The two ends of the capsule are titanium it's just that the main cylinder is not. Also, no one used carbon fiber on subs because it's simply the worst material for the job. Carbon fiber has great tensile strength. So, use it on a rope or whatever and it will work great. You need compressive strength on a sub. That's the ability to take the immense amount of pressure down there. Every time you took the sub down it got a bit worse due to wear and tear. Obviously, the smart thing to do would be to discard the sub after a couple of dives but Rush wanted to save money. Also, the porthole glass was not meant to take that much pressure. Maybe that is what went first. Either way, it was nice of him to turn rich people into fish paste.

[@mug1996]

the devil strike me down but twitter and tiktok when the submarine exploded was absolutely golden. I was crying from laughter for weeks at a time 😭

[@VeraGunn]

Safety is never a waste.

[@JSXSProductions]

"This is our flagship vessel, the Titan. Named for my refusal to use titanium to build the part that's always built out of titanium for some reason."

[@Six_Gorillion]

Shoulda named it "crushed soda can" amirite lol

[@bobdrago6965]

Stockton Rush. Princeton. Engineering degree. Should’ve stuck to being a white collar manager at a mid sized engineering marine material production factory. Play golf on Wednesdays. Sail on the weekends. Hang out at the yacht club. Have friends with first names like, Spencer, Brooks, Fletcher, Penn, and their wives Blair, Amelia, and Georgia. You know, like most average people.

[@mateopaul-jc5xq]

"Oceangate" brings to mind "Watergate"