What Superman Thinks of Batman - Darkness

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[@KeemJL]

Yup, this is another problem comics face. The character will never be laid to rest and the story will be retold. Which is why I don’t like when people fault Batman for not killing or stopping the Joker. The fictional verse is decided by the writers. The only reason Joker isn’t dead or imprisoned is because he’s DC cash cow villain. He will be brought back again and again because the writers make it so. If Batman were real I’m sure Joker would be permanently imprisoned in the Batcave or dead, but the two are somewhat synonymous now.

[@RJMacReady1]

Completely agree. I think batman killing at least as a last resort is actually fully IN character for him - or it should be. Hes famously ruthless in achieving goals, his entire mythos is born out of supreme trauma that he hasnt processed at all, and hes supposedly the bad boy of heroes in dc. Killing from time to time would make him even more of a grey area character, which Id personally love.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Probably the way TDKR dealt with it; Batman would just brake his neck, paralyzing him.

[@Jadefox32]

@@RJMacReady1 Original Batman carried a pistole with him and did not have an issue with killing if it called for it

[@bbombay62]

@@RJMacReady1 Totally agree.

[@tsnoob4669]

Agreed. Even Punisher falls victim from the writers, for whatever reason, he refuses to kill Jigsaw, who is responsible for the murder for his family, allowing him to continue to create more crimes.

[@gutsandblood9875]

Batman : "anything that tries to kill me makes me stronger" Guts and Kratos : come here bro

[@darrylisaac9400]

@Luc Germain I mean they aren't lying

[@superkryptonian4506]

Batman has survived in DC universe, and DC has far more powerful beings than God of War and Berserk verse, he will come to them, and he will be fine.

[@windandcloudshadow158]

Batman whistles and his friend Supes comes him to lay down the law lol.

[@windandcloudshadow158]

My bad comes to help him lol.

[@LARRYLONGSTRETH]

or cancer or a bullet to the brain or drowning or a 6 mile fall with no cape or parachute or

[@JThePervertedSummoner]

I agree with you about him retiring and simply stop being THE Batman, but essentially that's what Batman Beyond was made for: His "war" will never be over. Even when he's an old man, incapable of fighting crime personally, he'd have Terry McGinnis take over as the new Batman while he just assists from the sidelines. Spider-Man authors also came up with a timeline for this. After Peter Parker there would be Miles Morales and after Morales there would be Miguel O'Hara. I think the issue is that these characters became so iconic and remade so many times that it's impossible for Marvel or DC to drop them for their successors, even though it should be done eventually

[@sojiro8760]

yeah it's exactly the same case with gohan being goku's successor never reaching its peak

[@JThePervertedSummoner]

@@sojiro8760 Something like that. However, the Goku that we see in DBS is the same Goku who was in the original Dragon Ball. We saw his growth from being a kid, to an adult with his own kids. It's not like Goku was taken by another author, rewritten and his story started again with the same villains . Naruto however did this properly. He started off as a kid, then became an adult, got married, became Hokage, his story concluded and Boruto's started. Same universe, same timeline, same characters and the same canon. It's not gonna be rewritten and restarted again.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@JThePervertedSummoner well I wouldn’t say naruto’s really retired since he still participates in action and such. His status is notably different than that of a comic type super hero.

[@JThePervertedSummoner]

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 True. What I meant is that his his story, his tale, his "journey" that is the series named after him has concluded, and now the mantle has passed onto his son. He's obviously still there and participates in fights, but just like Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond, he's no longer the main character. That's the concept I was trying to highlight

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@JThePervertedSummoner aah, I suppose that makes sense!

[@utopian4769]

Clark is a shining beacon of hope, and it is in hope's best interest to help those in need. But I think Bruce is simply one of those things Superman can't save. Bruce essentially sold his soul that night for Batman. Bruce has kinda been dead for years now.

[@choolimba6704]

He’s awesome

[@primalwerewolf9356]

Batman rules

[@unfinishedsenten]

Yea, baller exit too. Like we've all had discussions about which persona represents the people in DC UIniverse the most, and they've more than likely had that internal discussion with themselves as well. But for Superman to straight up TELL Batman "the truth" with such absoluteness before just leaving him there stunned, accepting the truth he's been avoiding, and re-evaluating his whole existence. I think that in accepting it, that Batman will ALWAYS come first. Like Alfred has come to realize over the years. Alfred has just changed his way of thinking and routines to accommodate Bruce as best he can, and changed his expectations about Bruces' future. It would just make it easier on Bruce as well, mentally and emotionally, if he just accepted the same instead of the constant internal battle of trying to convince himself otherwise. Looks like Superman's announcement was the final push. Batman finally accepted it and needs a moment to adjust, so he's just standing there. Stunned and speechless.

[@imrytebeehyneu]

Love your comment. Ever since his parents death, Bruce tend to see on what he should do in order to ' bring them back ' by eradicating every *pain ( *crime ) that it once taken from him and that no one should ever endure the same. Superman is different. He knows that anything won't stop him since he's the most powerful but doesn't understand how a ordinary human feels without any superpower. The mind is more powerful that brute strength and that's why Clark knows Bruce is enigmatic. Yes, he knows Luthor has a mind as well but not as dark as Batman.

[@oolooo]

This is one of those comments from people who knows nothing about Bruce Wayne as a character

[@onemuststand7353]

This story shows Batman as the obsessed guy who stops at nothing to succeed. He doesn't sleep enough. He barely eats. He keeps his loved ones at a distance. He's both literally and figuratively killing himself to make sure he meets his mountainous goal. Superman is that one friend who doesn't take crap and pulls him aside because everyone else is too scared to talk the guy down. We should all take a look at ourselves and those we love and see if we're this Batman who needs to listen to Superman and also figure out if we're this Superman who needs to have a talk with Batman.

[@ryuken338]

Fernando, that background transition during Batman's "Nothing can kill me" dialog was pretty neat. That's one of the reasons I enjoy watching your videos, to find various things floating around like the duck and baby 😂.

[@bon-a-petite9224]

Ferns is a marvel geek he's just hating on the man. The batman.

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

Thank you brother 🙏🙏 It's a pleasure to make these man !!

[@mj6258]

@@FernandoComicsOfficial Hey my bro. Any chance you could find and upload the last few pages of the original Secret Wars 2 , the issue was called "A time to die" and the last few pages show all of marvel heroes plus the molecule man fighting pre-retcon beyonder and there is a particular panel that tells how powerful molecule man and beyonder were at the time. Hope all is well with you my dude. Your bro in Oz.

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

@@mj6258 hey bro !! Great idea my man, I'll do that !! Have a great week my friend 🙏🙏🙏

[@mj6258]

@@FernandoComicsOfficial U too mate! Always great to hear from you. 👍👍

[@ArachnaeNonafel]

Superman was right... Bruce is just a mask. He is Batman. Everything else is secondary.

[@ClareAmel]

He was wrong. Batman is a mask. That’s why it ends in Bruce literally taking off the mask in silent retort. Superman willfully going by his Kryptonian name in this conversation yet arguing he’s closer to humanity than Bruce is is stunning lack of self-awareness on his part

[@batboythecool]

"bruce is just a mask" great line, shows how much clark really knows him

[@peterwiehe5445]

Good stories DO end. That’s what makes the invincible series so enjoyable, a clear cut storyline with a set in stone-hopeful and optimistic ending

[@BakaryD]

Invincible is the best

[@peterwiehe5445]

@@BakaryD best superhero comic in the universe

[@ryanergo754]

The comic or the series?

[@andrewjalice8649]

I see what you’re saying about how it has a clear-cut ending but it’s different in that world because with comics they’ve been around for so long and become such icons to people that’s difficult to change that they’ve tried changing but the people won’t let it because the moment they change it people stop reading people stop buying people don’t give that character the chance so they bring back Batman or Superman

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Comics are like anime: the popular ones never end.

[@madtiger45]

If I remember correctly there is at least 1 version of the DC Universe where his "war" does end, almost everyone gets a happily-ever-after, they all die of old age, etc. I think it was "golden age" or something, idk

[@tsnoob4669]

Golden Age Batman, died from cancer because he was a smoker. But he did marry Catwoman and have a daughter named Helena, who grew up to be Huntress, before he died.

[@trpoihgg]

Man that was kind of deep. Batman is my 2nd favorite hero after Spider-man. But man this conversation with Supes makes me understand why people love bats so much. Under all the costume and gadgets he's a tortured soul driven to rid the thing that took his parents away from him...crime. Yes its simple but to him its a war a never ending war that will never stop. Yet he can't feel pain or emotion as he feel it will weaken him. However only problem is batman is human. Not because he doesnt have super powers but he actually does cares about humanity

[@andrewjalice8649]

honestly that’s one of the reasons I like Batman I don’t know what it is but for some reason when I read his comics or learn about his character I feel some sort of understanding or relate to something within his character and story that keeps me interested because he puts on this hard exterior but below all of that he’s completely broken and it’s crazy to see in the world filled with God‘s there’s one man that can do almost anything but it’s still that broken

[@neptunedawn7121]

So what is the real difference between Dick Grayson Nightwing and Bruce Wayne's Batman?

[@carnageassassin2617]

@@neptunedawn7121 they are completely different for one Batman saved Dick so that he wouldn't become like him dude is cheerful and never mentions his parentd cause i doubt it really bugs him that much Batman is literally driven by just that

[@obsidianfrost9514]

Dick does miss his parents. It is the foundation that made him a hero. Bruce took him in, guided him to prevent ANOTHER Batman. That's what their relationship started as

[@silversalmon9909]

@@neptunedawn7121 Essentially Nightwing is less traumatized lmao. Batman is really mentally unwell, he is obsessive. There is no bruce, no human, there is only batman. With Dick Grayson, he's more well adjusted, less obsessive, more human

[@jthegreat3627]

This was deep and my favorite comic book art style, I'm sure Batman found solace in knowing at least SuperMan understands him. Being understood by those you care about is huge. I hope this new Batman movie really dives into the darkness and mental trauma Bruce deals with, I want an adult and dark Batman trilogy tbh.

[@mariothane8754]

“Anything that tries to kill me makes me stronger.” What a short sighted answer, the kind I wouldn’t have expected from Batman whose entire niche is staying prepared against the future. It shows this is a battle he isn’t prepared against. Something he isn’t ready or willing to fight, because he thinks this Batman is all he has, and what he has left is nothing more than a shell of who he eventually could be. I think Superman understood this wasn’t a discussion Batman was having. It was the right move to leave when he did, to make sure Batman was left with those words instead of letting him deflect them or dodge the issue.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

1:17 that…seems out of character but lets see where this goes! There’s certainly a lot of conflicted feelings with supes here. Wonder what particularly sparked the nerve EDIT: goodness! I’m still getting use to hearing your two cents at the end of these videos but its gotten rather nice! I just expect them from the beginning pfft I certainly see the waining aspect of the comic characters limbo. It’s hard to blame the companies for not wanting to let them go but it doesn’t change the consequences. Honestly I’d think i more fitting batman die saving the day then getting that retirement, I don’t think he’d even have the nerve to quit for long.

[@andrewjalice8649]

it’s not that DC doesn’t want to get rid of the characters they’ve attempted a couple times but the people won’t let it because they won’t buy the comics after they change it or people won’t give it the chance it deserves to read something because it’s Batman if it’s not Batman that they want they won’t read it and if it goes down in sales they can’t afford to keep the comic alive so they have to bring back the people that mostly make the money

[@sabishiihito]

For whatever reason in "For Tomorrow" Superman was written more like the Silver-Age version in terms of personality, much more alien and thinking of himself as Kal-El and not Clark Kent.

[@redking8243]

Words can never describe the scope and complex lore and character of Batman. I don't even know how to put this into words but this comic book is clear showcasing of what Batman is and what he deals with. His inner struggle to make peace with himself, his relationships with the justice league members, and more. People say that Batman is as good as he is only because of his villains. But I disagree. It's not that Bruce Wayne is one noted. It's that he often doesn't showcase his true emotions. He doesn't show weakness nor does he go easy on others. It is he who makes his villains so good. Without him, Two face, Mr freeze, and especially Joker wouldn't be as iconic or as memorable as they are today. Batman doesn't showcase a friendly side or go soft on others due to his trauma and what he lost in his life. From the death of his parents to his falling outs with Dick Grayson, etc. And that is why Batman will always be an icon. Not just for DC, but comic books period.

[@SawdEndymon]

And to think: he’s not even a century old.

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

Well said 👏 👌 👍 he's the GOAT 🐐 for a reason.

[@hakeemlecco4109]

Powerful Human values makes him stand tall around gods and kryptonian. He embodies discipline, justice and impartiality at all times

[@chrisramos3454]

@@hakeemlecco4109 and thats why people dont like him not even his friends as he is his own side with choosing impartiality

[@hakeemlecco4109]

@@chrisramos3454 it’s for his own sanity imo

[@frostclapper4313]

Truth is if you want to fight meta humans and demi gods, unless you are in a position to completely overpower them like Superman I imagine you’ll have to rely on some of the most underhanded or genius level tactics to even stand a chance. Like listen I get it superman you’re a god amongst men capable of obliterating the planet without a second thought but just as he limits himself so does batman, his no killing rule is in place for a good reason. I guess the point I’m trying to make is although kal could do bruces job with considerably less effort that doesn’t mean he’s always going to do it the right way. Nonetheless these two seem to understand that about each other anyways.

[@daenite2480]

How is this related?

[@frostclapper4313]

@@daenite2480 it’s about the dichotomy between the characters belief systems or are you unfamiliar with what that is?

[@daenite2480]

​@@frostclapper4313 I'm aware of that, but I think the message here is about how Bruce is letting his alter ego control his life to the point where he's practically rejecting his humanity in the process, It's why Superman ended the conversation with saying Bruce Wayne is the mask. I think the discussion here was about Superman seeing Batman's vengeance fuel him into an unhealthily addictive manner, not just about how you stop badguys.

[@frostclapper4313]

@@daenite2480 it’s not just about stopping bad guys it’s about the way each of them operates when doing so that speaks for their personal philosophies, bruce might be obsessed with his alter ego but it’s that very obsession that makes him effective as a vigilante or a “soldier” in his “war”. I think for superman it’s a responsibility but for Batman it’s a way of life.

[@daenite2480]

@@frostclapper4313 yea, that's what I was trying to tell you.

[@thelastspartan5377]

Fernando my friend, I love how you've upgraded your channel, I'd also love if you did more narrations as well, I think you could be as big as comics explained if you did. Keep it up my man.

[@FRANCHYZE2K]

Superman tries to uphold justice with unbridled Might, Batman through relentless aggression, two sides of the same coin

[@smithingbear7522]

Superman is a bullet proof alien. Batman is a human. Not really comparable.

[@EWOODJ]

@Smithing Bear Then you missed the entire point.

[@silversalmon9909]

@@smithingbear7522 They are both inhuman and human. Superman is physically alien, but emotionally human. Batman is physically human but emotionally alien

[@mikelarsson7838]

seeing clark say " bruce is just a mask " seems so out of character, in the actual recent comics clark understands what bruce is going through and he admires his efforts to make gotham a better place here he seems like he is judging him even after bruce does say " hey man my name is bruce stop calling me batman " clark just says bruce is the mask imagine if you're friend said that to you wouldn't it be a little bit harsh? it seems like the writer himself is talking to batman not superman.

[@killmonger5097]

Yea Superman comes off like an asshole I mean what kind of friend tells you that

[@luminusprime]

You gotta remember this is early 2000's Batman after _Tower of Babel_ and _Identity Crisis_ and even though this particular story is out of continuity, the general feel for the character at the time is that Batman is in a very dark place and the other heroes don't trust him at all.

[@blackcat80yearsago96]

DC been writing supes like an asshole lately, what's the appeal in that? I don't get it

[@maturin7089]

@@blackcat80yearsago96 I wouldn't call a comic that came out almost two decades ago “lately”

[@Jose-se9pu]

From what we seen, Lois almost got killed by the Joker, and the only reason Joker exists...is because of that sick little romance he has with Bruce. Clark might be the nicest person in the universe, but when his family or friends are in danger...you better run, because even the world's biggest boyscout has a limit.

[@superkryptonian4506]

Superman's believe is love and hope, Batman's is darkness, yet they are, and always are gonna be the best friends, also this is pretty much the main reason why Batman is more loved by fans.

[@SSJavenger]

Batman can't function without being unhappy, it's so deeply engrained in his persona that he would feel guilty if he ever stopped being Batman.

[@tainle]

lol the writers would never let batman die and use every reasons to make the fans like him because back then they want to revive batman by making the story where he beat superman and this was for revenues purpose.

[@Dante-vf4sd]

Never liked the dark, miserable and depressing Batman, I want hope and love in my life, there's already enough darkness in this world

[@araizashraf]

plot is the reason why fans love him

[@killmonger5097]

@@SSJavenger writers really made you believe that bullshit huh

[@ias787]

They still become the super friends. and then they fight multiple times. But who cares they are still besties

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

Batman has multiple plan's to kill Superman just in case as well but still Best friends forever Lols

[@duhsasjekirom555]

@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350while Superman can kill Batman effortlessly and with no plan, whenever he wants. But hey, friends don't kill each other. Probably.

[@tsnoob4669]

@@1973Ganesh Sir this is a Taco Bell......

[@tsnoob4669]

@@1973Ganesh So pressed. 😂🤣

[@sergeantassassin3425]

This seems wholly out-of-character for Clark. He normally prefers his Human name over his Kryptonian name, he DOES like Batman (I'd find it very unlikely that you can be genuine friends with someone you don't like), and he understands to an extent what Bruce is going through and wants to help him whenever he can. This Clark is taking pot-shots at a man with no superpowers, claiming how he makes his job look "easy" by comparison (duh, if you can fly things get much easier), and then proceeds to rip into Bruce for seemingly no damn reason. I have to be missing some context here.

[@asurasyn]

I forget who said it in the comics, but it was said of Batman, "His war will never end. If it did, he'd be forced to confront his own demons, and he knows he'll never win that fight."

[@spawnbmwful]

I just had the joy of watching your channel. Keep up the great work, that is how a legend continues to live on throughout time.

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

Thank you brother 😁🙏

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

I don't think Superman would say "I don't like you", but that's just me. This feels like what a teenage girl would say.

[@kbtken]

I read a comic once that showed a future where Batman perfected the Lazarus pit using Wayne tech and was still running the Justice League with Superman over a hundred years from now

[@_Lionsin]

Bravo! Excellent music choice made each panel very impactful.

[@marcusjones6731]

Superman's RIGHT "bruce" is his REAL mask

[@j-dawg4774]

"I'm not looking for peace!" -Batman

[@frozenkilt]

That comment has been made a number of times. Bruce Wayne is the costume. Batman is who he is. Depends on who's writing him on how true it is, though.

[@SMJVJ]

That's why Superman keeps calling him Batman instead of Bruce. Kal El saw him for what he is.

[@gabriellucero7508]

No they will never end. That’s Batman his war will never end. He is Batman and he will never have peace. Bruce died the day his parents died. The bat will ALWAYS be needed. No retirement no end.

[@tbear8951]

I understand your point, but I think that Batman and Bruse can have a ending and I agree that the bat will always be needed but there are more than one bat who can take his place.

[@thepumpkinlord643]

I like the respect that they have for each other calling each other by their real name instead of their alter egos

[@LordBrittish]

If someone like Batman or Superman dies…. will the fans accept their replacements? How do you replace such icons unless you create something equally as great or greater to replace it? The Dark Baby Yoda Rises.

[@TheSuperboy_Prime]

Kal-EL and Bruce Wayne can NEVER be replace.

[@lukeclark3506]

@@TheSuperboy_Prime you said it!

[@simpgod2170]

You mean superboy/supergirl and nightwing/bat girl?

[@fm_0523]

@@simpgod2170 those characters are not replacements. They are people of their own.

[@TheSpiderWarden]

This is so poorly written and such a bad example of how Batman and Superman actually act with and feel about each other.

[@tbear8951]

I agree with you, Batman has darknes but he uses it to give people hope and Superman is just your average dude trying best he can and he was clark first. Batman and Superman are friends and this comic dose not show it very well.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Love it when Clark just gets fed up with Bruce's bullshit, and calls him out. And how Bruce knows Clark is right every time they have a "real talk".

[@andrewjalice8649]

it’s not really that superman is calling Bruce out on his bullshit it’s more like he’s calling him out for the fact that superman knows that Batman holds onto this darkness and can’t let go because he knows he is fucked up superman‘s not calling out bullshit he’s calling out facts that Batman knows but can’t change mentally he can’t change them

[@utopian4769]

I always felt like both of them lacked perspective, despite arguably sharing much in common in terms of backstory. I find their similarities and differences much more interesting than Batman and Joker.

[@Dogofwar9]

Batman cant be batman without the darkness. Superman is the day, batman is the night. Thats how it works and everyone including superman knows this. He had no reason to bother batman with this especially since he knows this is something that bothers bruce.

[@andrewboyer7544]

Hey that's why Batman beyond is such a good show, his war finally gets to end. It's also another reason for New 52 being good (Obviously a lot of it sucked in execution but the idea.) You can tell these stories in multi-year cycles then reboot and tell it a different way to avoid the problem of immortality and unending war. Marvel needs a reboot so bad. Things are just so messy now, they need to bring things to an end and restart. But at the same time, I'm not sure I trust this current stable of writers to do any of that, I don't think they have the skill to pull it off.

[@patrickshelley09]

Yeah, if Marvel does a reboot, it needs to include a reboot of writers and management.

[@HB448]

Nah bro marvel JUST had a reboot

[@andrewboyer7544]

@@HB448 if you say so.

[@carnageassassin2617]

Bro his war doesn't end in Batman Beyond he still pushing it even though he almost over 90 he literally goes through the trouble of that whole computer thing with Tracy u know why cause he still thinks about it he still in this war

[@anonygent]

I can see why Superman would find the darkness in Batman ugly, but it seems out of character for him to bring it up. It would be more characteristic of him to try to cheer Batman up, to see the brighter side of life. A number of writers have tried to make Superman darker and grittier, but it really doesn't work. That's not Superman's persona.

[@oliverclare2074]

3:20 Joker and the 5 cops standing on the opposite roof: “Hey, is that Bruce Wayne…? o_O”

[@tek512]

What Superman has never understood is that some people are incapable of finding peace. Doesn't mean they don't want it; they just *can't* have it. Batman is one such individual. He's always known his path would probably end with him lying dead in a gutter somewhere, but it's the only road his broken heart will let him walk.

[@DrOtto-zn1rv]

3:10 _"Bruce is just a mask."_ Damn straight. Clark's got it figured out.

[@davidfinch7407]

I don't get Batman throwing a punch. In the best possible light, he KNEW Superman was going to move out of the way, and he was just trying to make a point. But what was the point? "I know I can't hurt you, but I'm foolish enough to try? And I lost my self control enough that I threw a punch at an ally and yes, a friend? Anyone else does that, they get fired.

[@blackcat80yearsago96]

Batman can be stupid, all it would've took for Superman was to not move away and bats wouldn't use his hand for a month, if what Clark said was true.

[@charndeepbhangoo7556]

Batman was trying remove a piece of a lint off of Superman's costume. Why do you think only the worst of Batman? Who hurt you?

[@theapexfighter8741]

@@charndeepbhangoo7556 the same suit that needs planet busters to destroyed? Yeah right

[@youflatbro7498]

As the rain pours down on that dark rooftop, Bruce cries out "I WAS JUST A LITTLE BOY!"

[@p.marcusavatare3658]

"You're the best, but I need you to be better." Superman acknowledges that Batman IS the best that humanity has to offer, no serums, no superpowers, just a man who pushed himself to the limit of human excellence, a man who took his pain and tragedy, and used it as practically as a human possibly could. Kal-El shows his total admiration for Batman in this statement, this, and his opening statement at 1:47, "I admire you. Through sheer determined will, you've made yourself the BEST you can be." He can't fathom how a man can become what Bruce has, at least not until the Joker kills Lois and his unborn child in Injustice. Then it all becomes clear.

[@cherryjubilee5201]

Is this the same Batman that made Robin eat rats to make him a better soldier? Franks Miller's Batman was nuts.

[@alissa6]

@Luc Germain Holy Terror. Nuff said.

[@fm_0523]

@Luc Germain you forgot the most insane part: he burnt people alive while making s@x with Black Canary.

[@underfall2749]

The best part of a story, is the progression you watch your characters go through as they learn and grow, but that cannot happen, that will not happen. If the story didn’t have a back cover.

[@Exile-exe]

Batman cannot find peace and never will. Bruce is the mask. Batman is the real persona. This was made abundantly clear in the Bruce Wayne Framed for Murder saga. He admitted as such, himself. This is a deeply damaged person who is irrevocably lost in a cycle of violence for a revenge that will never be achieved or sated. And I agree some stories should end. But not Batman.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Batman ego implies Bruces true persona is a hybrid of Bruce and batman

[@Exile-exe]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 that’s what makes Batman so awesome as well as dangerous…Batman has no ego. It’s all business for him. Someone is smarter than him? He acknowledges and works on ways to get around it. As an example of this, Batman has admitted openly that the Penguin is smarter than he is. And explains how it’s the penguins ego that always enables Batman to pull victories over him. Batman never allows his Id, to determine his action or control his thoughts. So I cannot agree with your comment.

[@dazzybotha6564]

No matter what....you will never retire the GOAT's

[@asall727]

Has to be one of if not my favorite art styles for these characters and for DC in general.

[@pbdye1607]

I'd really love to hear Conroy and Newbern voice this. I was hearing their voices in my head as the panels scrolled.

[@blackwarrior1897]

Yep. Sometimes I switch their voices out for various VAs and actors. Tim Daly, Henry Cavill, Newburn, Christian Bale and Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger. I have so many options when it comes to comic books because I get to feel like a kid again

[@alissa6]

Screw Newbern monotone Superman. Tim Daly all day errday.

[@JnEricsonx]

Happy I've met both of them. Seriously, hearing Conroy do the "I AM BATMAN" bit 50 feet away....well....finally glad that for once I had my phone handy.

[@burgerbandit3646]

I feel like him taking off his mask as Superman flew away was symbolism that somewhere deep down, Bruce Wayne was still in there, still in the "facade" and that he was still in pain.

[@eivor1917]

I wish dc and marvel keep having a linear growth and consistent timeline instead of rehashing and waste the growth. IF merged everything so please stick to it.

[@andrewboyer7544]

See I would prefer ten year cycles of something close to it. Each telling could be fresh and different but still have room to grow and build a good story. All the best stories have a structure, something that's lacking in DC and Marvel. DC tries to do this but they just fail at the execution cause they don't have a good road map.

[@terranceodoms7623]

Superman-try to find peace and Batman says when the war is over

[@Jorge-cf6xk]

Beautifully well presented. Calling Kal-El, Superman, and Batman as Bruce was noticed. Your idea reminds me that is the reason why Goodwin's Simonson's MANHUNTER is so great and overlooked. He reached his glorious end and any attempt to reboot seems wrong.

[@Oblivion___]

I don't have a problem with Batman not retiring, but I do have a problem with stories never being finished. In my opinion stories should be finished, what made the Nolan Trilogy so great for me is that it has a beginning, middle and end, and now we have another Batman trilogy that I hope also has a beginning, middle and end.

[@spookrockcity]

Batman and Superman are really the end all be all of comic book heroes. One is basically a god who encapsulates the best traits of humanity and his adopted homeworld. The other is just a man who has used his intelligence, willpower, and trauma to rival that of beings he should have no business squaring off against. They are the light and darkness that all other comic book heroes dwell beneath. This clip is a beautiful encapsulation of their differing personalities and motivations. It truly is a shame what modern comic books writers are doing to the characters, but that's really more of a reflection of how devoid our current society is in regard to character and morality. It's a dark time for comic book heroes, but thankfully we have 80 years worth of stories to reference and remember.

[@thefurrybastard1964]

Superman is wrong. Bruce Wayne is not the mask, nor is Batman. Batman is the rage, pain and grief of a young boy, Bruce Wayne is the hope for a better tomorrow. Only Alfred truly knows the real Bruce Wayne.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

The batman ego story is my favorite take on this because it implies the true bruce/batman is a hybrid of both

[@Peved]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Yup

[@thefurrybastard1964]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 That does make a *_lot_* of sense.

[@ozymandias2601]

No other comic book character comes close enough in terms of replicating the intellectual depth and emotional range of Superman and Batman.

[@GurenZ01]

See I think it was more pointed towards the fact that Batman's war won't end until he lies dead.

[@allohtoffbaqphat4547]

The cops on the rooftop thirty feet from them: "Holy shit is that Bruce Wayne?"

[@bloodraven6250]

"Bruce is just a mask" the fact that thats not even a metaphor or anything, but is in fact true.

[@The_Ronin1]

That's really deep. Thanks FC!!

[@jarodjohnson6630]

Accompanied with the music when Kal told Batman "Bruce is just a mask". Those few words say to define his true character

[@DHworldwide185]

This was out of character for Superman to be honest. Him and Batman always seem eye to eye with one another. They even called themselves brothers. I just don’t by that Superman doesn’t“not like” Batman as a person. Especially since he is so virtuous

[@robertthreadgill5356]

I don't understand, why would clark say that he doesn't LIKE bruce? They're practically brothers

[@afrofriend9140]

Lol Supes roasting Batman. "What the hell do you think you're doing?" "Making your job look easy" 😂😂😂 On the real though, Supes is right about Batman's darkness. The Batman Metal series is proof of that.

[@fm_0523]

Batman: what the hell do you think you're doing Superman: making your job looks easy *Injustice theme starts playing*

[@AmericanAmbazonian1]

They are the quintessential "good" in the "good v bad" fight. They will live forever. It will be extremely difficult to kill off Batman & Superman, imo.

[@evansshericoolly1973]

The Mr. Creeps theme hits the spot for the background of this vid

[@fellowpassenger_54-67]

This is my issue with most DC and Marvel comics, they just never have an end point, one of the reasons why I love the Nolan trilogy so much is due to it having an amazing start, middle and end instead of being turned into a dumb universe that keeps going forever

[@jamesgordon1520]

Let it go this is much bigger than your opinions I'm 60 years old and they Will be here for a long time, so if anyone needs to retire it will be you., these are comic books

[@tbear8951]

understandable, but I do think there could be storys that take place in another dimension that could give the heros and endning while the main heros in the main dimension live on. also congratulations on being 60 yeras old.

[@NerdettesNewsStand]

Great video

[@FernandoComicsOfficial]

Thank you!!

[@thomasipad7719]

Right. But I hope it will never end. Such an ending story will hopefully only be some "what if" or alternate universe story to show this - but then the old characters will get continued. Never ever really end them. Such icons cannot be replaced.

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

Okay, I understand superman having insane durability, but you can actually punch something extremely solid and NOT break every bone in your hand. You can go up and angry punch a steel beam and not break anything.

[@sergeantassassin3425]

Honestly depends on how hard you punch it. If you don't put a ton of strength behind it, you might not break anything at all, just bruises and ruptured blood vessels. If you put your back into it, you're going to break most if not all of the bones in your hand, and a good likelihood that will extend to your arm bones as well.

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

@@sergeantassassin3425 yes, but superman talks about any punch thrown at him is just gonna break their hand, with the point being that's not always gonna be the case.

[@ashishlogan4036]

Everything with this video is soo good

[@anlkaya]

bruce is bruce. that kid invented batman to avenge his parents. the rest, the road is he walked is the story. On the other hand i am totally agree with the bill statement on the kill bill.

[@apb38]

If anyone else held the power of Superman they would have fallen from grace long ago.

[@solidgaming1103]

Remember Superman was going through in this Arc. Homie was causing the Vanishing, all because Lois got caught in it.

[@ricardoramos1059]

His life his fate was forfeit the night his parents died; gone was his hope, his innocence a normal life. Bruce wayne died so the bat could be born; the darkness chose him to be an agent of justice, a knight of vengeance, a legend born from the cry for justice in a city made hell. He knows that many try to save him, to heal his wounds but he knows deep down that will never come to pass no matter how much he too longs for such peace. His war will never end and he will fight still till the very end until death herself comes for his soul. But from his legend the fires of hope shall burn bright, for his crusade others shall rise, from his myth the fight agaisnt evil shall endure time till imemorial fought by legions of dark knights of justice.

[@exren9830]

Just from a writing perspective, considering how much skill, effort, and creativity is needed to make a decently original Batman story at this point, or any of these other characters, imagine what those writers could do if they weren't as restricted to long running characters, or even to the superhero genre. Marvel and DC seem incredibly hesitant to publish anything that isn't superheroes and isn't tied in to their existing universes, even though as publishers they have the most ability to draw readers to new and original titles, and it seems like the US comics industry is hurting for it

[@kordellswoffer1520]

Stop with the talking point cause it wasn't smart nor true the first time it was said nor is it now. Dc is tied to them because they are popular, the demand for these characters is endless. Any one who knows how to run a business knows you give people what they want and not what some else who thinks the us comic book industry needs something. New characters come and go all the time some remain popular some vanish from relevance, the problem is new characters will never be iconic like batman and superman and trying to replace inferior products with beloved icons is a bad business model.

[@kordellswoffer1520]

These writers aren't forced to write these stories and are fully capable of writing new stories. There's no harm in reusing the same story.

[@obsidianfrost9514]

Batman's darkness is the entire reason they scrapped the Wonder Woman love interest angel, which is a shame. Batman can be fueled by his darkness but he also needs to know when to walk in the light which makes his extremley close friendship with Clark all the better. Clark has more access around his cave than anyone save Bruce and Alfred. Their dynamic of light and dark highlights both their humanities while showing why they need each other, the other can do what they cannot. WW and Bruce would really help pull him out of the consistent brooding angle they have been hyper focused on and show that even if he does attain happiness Bruce is still Batman. Just my opinion

[@URIZEN-uo9rg]

Superman is right, Batman is wrong.

[@trungvudz]

"I'm trying to help you help yourself my brother" -Superman probably

[@DERTHIX]

Part of becoming Batman would be to try and find that peace... Superman can be MAD delusional sometimes!

[@goldenpro1096]

Batman will find peace after the war is over but what if you lose the your war what if after the war the scars are still there what if the war doesn't end what if you die in that war you are having it will destroy him and he wont do anything about it

[@DoomMomDot]

I think I prefer the bit from when Batman was gonna marry Catwoman, and he and Clark tell their respective SO's how much they admire the other.

[@benparrish672]

i soon as he acted like he wasn't himself as Clark Kent it let me know the writer doesn't really get Supes. i assume this is New 52 Superman. i dunno tho.

[@moshpit1012]

It’s not new52

[@straightouttacomicbook]

SuperMan’s not fully in touch with our world . He doesn’t Understand Batman isn’t the mask it’s who he truly is. SuperMan thinks the darkness is weak because he gains strength form the sun, he doesn’t understand that it’s Batman darkness that creates true hope. He doesn’t want the world doesn’t want Gotham to be in the darkness he tries to save them while trying to save himself. Batman doesn’t want the rest of the world to see or feel how dark Batman feels. That’s true strength. Super Man is scared of the darkness hiding inside of himself but that’s Just my opinion though. Great comic 🔥

[@eastafrika728]

Well,that went well, Superman tried to counsel Batman, didn't work.

[@ahmadabusamra9785]

Clark being moody I see.

[@batmaneris1663]

that was really really good

[@jameskatu6339]

So Sasha’s SuperGirl in the Flash movie will be Clark’s daughter from a different universe perhaps or at least Henry’s Clark

[@JnEricsonx]

2:23-reminds me of the one of the Justice League moments that I believe was Whedons that I did love-when Bruce admits that Clark was more human than he was.

[@voodazz]

Batman will never retire because he's a billion dollar franchise.... which is equally depressing for the character when you think about it.

[@larrywilliams48]

DUDE YOUR ABOUT TO BLOW down to the music the vibe you instantly created in my house ..use your voice more Batman ..make it your Batman or Superman or any hero

[@gehtniemandenwasan8171]

Batman saying his name is bruce and Superman reminding Batman that he Infact is NOT bruce was an incredible throwback. Batman himself once said that Bruce is just a mask. That Bruce died alongside his Parents and that Batman is his real identity. They even included it in the first movie at the MaskBall. Love it when Dialogue has hidden Deep meaning.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

How did 3 minutes of a comic book panel turn out to be a better character study than 2 hours of Batman v Superman?

[@andrewjalice8649]

I get what you’re saying I really do and they’ve actually tried a couple times to bring in a new Batman or something else but the problem is is that people won’t really buy it to keep it afloat if people don’t buy it then it’s hard to continue the issue because you’re not getting the money that would help continue the issue and create other stories sitting bring batman back it’s happened a couple times where they brought in someone else and no one bought it or people disliked it a lot so they bring batman back it’s a constant and I agree with you someday the story needs to end but people have to let it end for them to continue with other in newer stories

[@wildcard5269]

Great Perspective

[@EldergodUK]

Batman on a beach drinking margaritas, and talking war stories....I can't see it 😞

[@atomicgator5207]

It seemed like bits of the dialogue didn't quite match the theme. Like, Supes is trying come off as more human than Bats, but insists on being called "Kal-El". And Bats insists on being called "Bruce", even though it seems like he would normally insist on being called "Batman." I'm probably overthinking it. But it did seem odd to me.

[@mattmalco10]

This seems pretty out of character for Clark especially the "Kal-El" part but he is right Bats himself has stated that Bruce is just a mask and it is a constant running theme in the films TV shows and comics like when Bruce Clark and Dianna all hold on to the lasso of truth and reveal their names to each other Bruce says his name is Batman