What Tactical RPG is better for the beginner? Tactics Ogre: Reborn vs. Triangle Strategy

[@dandandandandandandan]

What I love with Tactics Ogre Reborn is that there's a "Rewind/Time Travelling Feature" wherein you can go back any timeline of the story (while keeping your units and all items on your journey) to play the other story paths. This is a very good feature unlike other games that when you finish it, its over and nothing to do with your savefile anymore.

[@brewunited]

This is a great point, it's an under explained feature and adds tons to the replayability. Great comment!

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Post game remedies other games, but yes, the World feature is amazing

[@dandandandandandandan]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 True! I wish the FFR (if it ever be remaked) would have this feature too!

[@stomperr69]

Wait, so after finishing the game you still have ability to play the game again or roaming around and fight another group of gang? That's pretty cool though I didn't know. I thought once you beat the game you're done all your hard work of raising these units will be gone

[@dandandandandandandan]

@@stomperr69 Yeah so you can try all the routes of the story and recruit exclusive characters. i wish other rpgs has this feature cuz its do amazing. At the time of writing, the game has a 50% discount on steam btw XD

[@echosierra9990]

Triangle strategy is very heavily story based, and A LOT of gameplay is simply storytelling. Tactics Ogre is more action oriented. You can go really deep into the weeds with the mat in Tactics Ogre if you want, and it is truly a strategic game. Chose the right units and equipment for each battle, and it’s fairly easy, and the permanent death of non story characters can really mess your gameplay up, if you’re not careful. Tactics Ogre is a tactical battle game with a story, and Triangle Strategy is a story game with tactical battles.

[@brewunited]

I like your take on the differences! Thanks for the comment and insights.

[@zergilli9719]

Yes, all the dailogue in the Triangle Strategy demo was the reason I bought Tactics Ogre Reborn. I also had Tactics Ogre The Knights of Lotis on the GBA and it was awesome back then. So, I'm really happy with the limited dialogue in Tactics Ogre.

[@CoffeePotato]

Pretty standard Quality vs Friendly situation. Once you know how strategy works, though, it's hard to look at Triangle and go back to choices that don't do anything.

[@brewunited]

Coffee Potato! What's going on? I agree, just like how I feel playing my favorite 90s jrpgs decades later. Thanks for swinging by.

[@CoffeePotato]

@@brewunited Excessive amounts of Tactics Ogre as always! I do kinda wish they would have revisited TS for the PC port, though. With all the battles and routes they cut already mostly being done, it would have been a prime opportunity for a golden edition. Ah well.

[@brewunited]

@@CoffeePotato Just started checking out your videos, that's quite a collection of work! Missed opportunity for sure, lots of potential to do more in TS

[@ricflair4052]

wait, is this the TOR content creator ?LOL

[@sdp728]

I have some history with tactics games but I’d say that TriStrat is a worthy addition no matter how veteran the player is

[@bernardosanchez3401]

Agreed with the last part: Triangle Strategy is like "I can hold your hand the whole time if you want" while Tactics Ogre Reborn is like "well you have had a good 4 warmup battles in chapter 1 so for the next one you're against this necromancer guy up on a fort who can pretty much call unlimited reinforcements ... good luck"

[@brewunited]

Is that not the truth! Welcome to the necromancer... LOL Limited handholding at it's best

[@bernardosanchez3401]

@@brewunited I'm pretty sure that battle is responsible for a lot of people giving up on the reborn version of the game... and giving it bad reviews on reddit/amazon, etc. LMAO

[@brewunited]

@@bernardosanchez3401 It's definitely a step up from the previous fights. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[@bernardosanchez3401]

@@brewunited Still a piece of cake compared to ch3 non genocide (aka "chaos") route last battle lol honestly don't know what the developers were thinking with that one.

[@brewunited]

@@bernardosanchez3401 I used to think Chaos route was the "good" route. I learned the hard way also. 🤣

[@Ishidori85]

Haven't play Triangle Strategy, but I wouldn't recommend Tactics Ogre Reborn to a newbie, the meta game is overwhelming. But if you have tried the genre before, jump in, once you get the hang of it Ogre is so satisfaying and the plot is one of the best story in the history of videogame. Not for a tactical rpg, not for an old game... In the history of videogames.

[@brewunited]

Spot on! That's my recommendation also. After Triangle Strategy, Tactics Ogre could be a next step. Thanks for the comment

[@EKPB]

Even better than Final Fantasy Tactics, that is very hard to believe, I should give it a try someday

[@msvgameschannel5429]

agree with this, TO story still one of the best, the dialogue, how chad denam is, and the ogre battle saga lore ...so ambitious

[@jefflynch]

Good comparison. The only thing I disagree with is that I think Triangle Strategy deserves more than a 1 point advantage over Tactics Ogre: Reborn in the graphics category. As you pointed out, the graphics in Triangle Strategy aren't just better aesthetically; they also are better functionally in terms of conveying information to the player. Tactic's Ogre's graphics are blurry and washed out to the point where it can sometimes be difficult to identify who is on your side or not, or whether a tile is at the same elevation or not. As a beginner, I find myself having to go into the character sheet just to confirm someone's allegiance if I don't turn on the HP bars. It's actually a bit better on PC than on Playstation. I really am enjoying the game, but this aspect of the game really makes me appreciate how much better Triangle's graphics are.

[@brewunited]

I can totally relate to your comment, it's hard for me because I remember how the old game looked. But I really appreciate the new art style of Triangle as time goes on and I play similar games. I appreciate the comments!

[@sorinnoctis652]

i was hoping that for the gameplay section of this video you go more into depth about how the combat differs between the two? it seems like you just tackled the feel of using the UI and thats it lol.

[@GenerationPixel]

Octopath Traveller and Triangle Strategy are both on my to get list. Hopefully, this year 😎

[@brewunited]

They are worth your time, not sure which one I would play first. Soundtracks are amazing also.

[@303Thatoneguy]

I got both. They’re only ok games tbh

[@Seanbo88]

As a beginner myself, I would highly recommend the Mercenaries Saga games. All of them are very straightforward and user-friendly.

[@BackpackComics]

90's and 80's just in general are very popular, but maybe there is a point there. The art change is drastic. I personally like clunky things in old games but I may be biased HAHA

[@brewunited]

Backpack! I love the older style of graphics, but I also love when someone innovates and builds on a popular genre. Hope all is well with you!

[@BackpackComics]

@@brewunited yeah when it’s done right an updated game can be leagues ahead. It’s really cool to see! Same to you :)

[@gtytus]

Tactics Ogre Reborn, Triangle Strategy or Octopath Traveller?

[@brewunited]

That's the question for sure, Octopath is different, it's more JRPG with no tactical and easy to pick up Entry to Tactical I'd pick Triangle, more experienced I'd pick Ogre. Hope this helps

[@WarIsNoMoreCold]

Maybe Triangle Strategy is the better game for beginners, but Tactics Ogre is ultimately the better game in my opinion, as it is one of my favorites of all time. I don't think I would recomend anything over it, even to a beginner haha.

[@casadogaspar]

I love how we're comparing a 1995 game with a last year release and the old one kept its ground. Try do it with another game from 95. Tactics Ogre is a master piece.

[@gotaplanstan]

Does tactics ogre have difficulties you can change? I forgot tbh, cuz I haven't played it since PSP. Triangle Strategy, otoh, has one of the hardest hard modes in any game I've played. It's the difference between a playthrough taking 25 hours on normal, or taking 100 on hard. My first playthrough, that was not completionist style, took almost 100 hours on hard. So probably important to note that (and also note it if tactics ogre has a hard mode too).

[@brewunited]

Unfortunately no change in difficulty on Tactics Ogre. I can imagine Triangle being super hard if you crank up the difficulty. Especially at the end. Thanks for watching!

[@gotaplanstan]

@@brewunited I watched a streamer I love do her first playthrough on hard and go Fred's route, and man it has some tough fights. There were at least 2 fights she was stuck on for 2-3 days. I know it's not for some, but man the challenge was fun! Hard makes characters/skills like Jens' ladders and traps, Anna's stealth, and Piccoletta's decoys be much more valuable and necessary than on easier difficulties. And sure! Enjoyed the video! Love me some srpg content, and TS especially 😁

[@brewunited]

@@gotaplanstan Please share who that is, I love checking out content like that. I love how certain abilities lend themselves to harder playthroughs. Although I have beaten Triangle Strategy, I haven't even scratched the surface on that game's potential having only done one path and on normal. I plan on going deep in the Genre, hope to have some of my future videos peak your interest.

[@gotaplanstan]

@@brewunited her tag is Yunalescka, she's one of the biggest final fantasy collectors and content creators in the world (even featured in genius book of world records for it)

[@brewunited]

@@gotaplanstan Thank you!

[@Pjvenom1985]

Both look intriguing, nice video thanks for sharing boyo.☘️⚔️🌅

[@brewunited]

You really can't go wrong, thanks for the watch!

[@rhysegozun]

100% Agreed with everything on this video. If you're someone coming in fresh into the TRPG genre, Triangle Strategy is the go to. Especially when it comes to progression. The game respects your time if you just want to finish through the story, see all the possible different routes and content on offer. You still get an engaging story, a memorable cast of characters, User friendly interface and Quality of Life improvements to make it more a streamlined experience. Reborn however since it is a remake of a remake of a classic title are for the seasoned players. The game's battle mechanics, union cap leveling system, difficulty spike and the lack of further speed options might turn off a lot of people. But if the premise was "TRPG Players looking for a Challenge in modern gen platforms" then this is the game.

[@brewunited]

I am always glad to hear that someone agrees with my take on the games. I think your comment perfectly describes my thoughts also. The fact that Triangle Strategy respects your time is also an excellent point that you make. I really appreciate you checking out the video and the thoughtful comments.

[@DeckardManc85]

Came to this video looking for these types of comments, looking to buy one for my steam deck and a newbie to this style of gaming!

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

I would also say Tactics Ogre has the better gameplay, as you can recruit generics on top of customizing them a lot more than in Triangle Strategy. But it's true that the game is on the more difficult side.

[@joshakins4923]

Just started triangle strategy and I'm loving it

[@akaiiusagi]

Idk if I'm being bias or not. But I prefer FF Tactics a lot than Tactics Ogre, simply because of the gameplay itself. I haven't try Triangle Strategy yet, so I will try to compare it with FFT first. Spells / Items: What makes me drop this game is the abilities and items system that get limit to only 4. I know the player we can bring on the field is more than FFT, but I'd rather have a 2nd job abilities (Chemist) to bring some limitless items for some characters than having fixed set of items. I think TO has more items effects but I haven't tried all of them because of that (need to carry essential items). Meanwhile FFT spell/job system, super satisfying when Summoner also can cast black/time magic as their 2nd abilities with bunch of options as long as you learned it. I can't find the joy in this game that I wished. TO RT / FFT CT: I feels CT in FFT is better to understand than RT in TO. Also there is drawbacks from having too much characters in the field, like when we need to have healer to do his job, but his turn is still too far away and might potentially die, turns out the AI is dumb and did not kill my cleric and prefer to share the damage to other characters. The main character doesn't feels special anymore and I kinda forget where he is. Beginner friendly: For me personally, FFT is easier because you can grind and no level cap. If I'm not wrong, the monster scale with our level, but surely we have better understanding and more spells by that time. Bonus, the pixel arts design in TO is kinda absurd. Denam looks like blonde Elvis Presley. The jawline is too big and doesn't looks cute and far from representing their realistic art. TLDR: Try Final Fantasy Tactics, more satisfying and beginner friendly. Thanks for reading. Let me know if you have disagreements, I also want to enjoy TO if you can change my mind.

[@LenKd88]

Yup totally agree with you. After completing chapter 3 of TOReborn I realized the lack of spell combinations and passive skills like parry and counterattack are all limited to weapon type. Which means I can't have a ninja to counter attack, only parry. I can't have the monk to cast black magic because you dont "learn" the spells.

[@MinCS2lover]

Final Fantasy available in nitedo Switch? You have any information about it? I cant find

[@akaiiusagi]

@@MinCS2lover sadly it is an old game so they probably not gonna update the compability with other platforms. you can play it with emulator like ppsspp for mobile or desktop.

[@auroralabel]

@@MinCS2lover There is a rumor that a version of Final Fantasy Tactics is going to be released for Nintendo, although it is not known if it will be released for Switch or the new Nintendo console. There is also a rumor that the remake of Final Fantasy IX will be released for the new Nintendo console.

[@brewunited]

@auroralabel Id love to get Final Fantasy Tactics again. Hope it's more widely distributed.

[@ggd210]

Thanks!! Nice video!! I’ll buy the first to get a price cut on the store! 🤩😜

[@CrazyMiso]

Does Triangle Strategy have a full voice acting?

[@brewunited]

No, it's got about 50/50 with a little bit of voice at the start of certain dialogues. It's a little bit annoying at times as it has one word only at the beginning of the text.

[@CrazyMiso]

@@brewunited thanks, but now its tie for me again 😁😁😁

[@brewunited]

I have that effect on decision making often. 🤣

[@HansAlRachid]

I know I‘m in the minority here, but the 2D-HD style of Octopath and Triangle Strategy never clicked with me. I vastly prefer the cohesion of the older style over the (in my eyes) garish overabundance of visual and lighting effects and the awkward perspective issues of the newer one. I get that people like it, don‘t lynch me just yet, but it‘s not for me. Oh! Not to mention the portrait art! Tactics Ogre to this day has some of the very best portrait and character art ever in my eyes. Triangle Strategy doesn‘t even remotely come close in that regard.

[@davywong1398]

Thanks for your info I know which one I should choose

[@vincetheworldly537]

If I get a Switch and some money Id definitely try out the two. Seems like it offers options to those who enjoy the genre. Id definitely enjoy TO, Triangle strategy with some other games like Fire emblem, Disgaea, etc. But of course I am a little biased with Tactics Ogre since it was the game that I have played as a child/teenager when I had chickenpox and I had no trouble with the gameplay whatsoever. I also liked the story a lot and always wondered as a kid how to get this particular character etc. Nice review btw.

[@brewunited]

You nailed it, Disgaea and Fire Emblem are for sure on this list. Tactics Ogre has that spot on my list also for nostalgic reasons due to Ogre Battle and previous versions. Appreciate the comments, glad you enjoyed it.

[@Altair.1187]

I played Tactics Ogre when I was a kid and got crushed by this game. I'm playing it now and I'm winning all the time and about to finish the game. So, I guess Triangle Strategy is going to be easier after finishing it.

[@brewunited]

I have the same impression playing it again after so many years. Also, Triangle is much simpler to pick up. I hope you enjoy it.

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

As someone who loved Gungnir and Yggdra Union, which of these two game are more recommended?

[@brewunited]

Great Question! Yggdra is more like Tactics Ogre in this comparison while Gungnir is more straightforward and more like Triangle Strategy. I'd use that as your guide.

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

@@brewunited is the story of Triangle Strategy ignorable? I like the story of Gungnir but Triangle Strategy is known for dumping you with an endless talking. I hope that doesn't ruin my fun in the core combat. Yggdra Union is also my number 1 rpg of all time. Does that mean that Tactics Ogre got enough BS situations?

[@brewunited]

Thanks for checking out the video

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

@@brewunited Tactical RPG discussions will always get my attention

[@brewunited]

@@soratheorangejuicemascot5809 Triangle Strategy is story heavy for sure, you can skip through a lot of it, but if you like a lighter story and plenty of action I'd go with Tactics Ogre since you are already familiar with the Genre. The story is there in Tactics Ogre, but the depth of customization on battle is really deep. Triangle Strategy you don't get any customization, just selection choices.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

The Chad Ogre Vs. The Virgin Triangle

[@jemb710]

You're somewhere in between.

[@RobinPochita]

This is so random but as someone who’s played and loved Ogre in the past, I can’t stand the voice acting in Reborn 😭 none of the characters are what I expected them to be but I guess I’ll have to get used to it. But I am excited to try Triangle Strategy since I love story based games.

[@PoyoPoyomfs]

Are the story and characters bad In tactics ogre? i read some people saying that... personally for me a game like this needs to have a good or at least a decent story so I don't know if buy tactics ogre.

[@TheTacticalRPGOdyssey]

Agree with your ultimate conclusion: Triangle Strategy is a great Tactical RPG for beginners to dip their toes in the genre and then when they're ready Tactics Ogre Reborn is there to show them the real depth available. Keep up the vids!

[@selenavelez8735]

No we can’t escape the 90s. I don’t enjoy games unless they are like this…I went through hell growing up and this was a complete distraction

[@Altair.1187]

I played both now, comparing them is giving Triangle Strategy more credit than it deserves. Tactics Ogre is more complicated and detailed, it is a masterpiece, Triangle Strategy is a good game, not even close to be compared to Tactics Ogre.

[@edwidge22]

The main point of these tactical RPG is not to have easy or hard difficulty. The game usually starts on level 1 and the enemies will be at least 2 level above you. As you progress the story the game will get harder you just have to leveling up your characters, equip them with new weapons and gears. I’ll give tactics ogre a point for that one and take a point away from Triangle Strategy for having a difficulty selection

[@jedhubic]

Even though Tactics Ogre is older, and I've played it lots before, I appreciate getting to actually play a game when coming back to it from Triangle Strategy. Pretty sure they padded the play time with all the slow story content. To make TS more frustrating, when you finally do play a battle, there's an optimal level gimmick/puzzle approach to winning. I don't think the game is worth it when there are so many other great games in the genre.

[@MRSAUltraviolet]

Ive feel like you had your mind made up with triangle strategy. However, TOR is the better game.

[@Grampalamps]

Triangle Strategy all the way. Tactics Ogre is just a slog to play, with its story just being a pain to follow other than "galgastani people bad" and Denam is just an unlikeable character. Ditched the main cast when I could and just used my random hires, but dropped the game halfway into chapter three since I just wasn't having any fun with it.

[@brewunited]

Tactics Ogre does get heavy quick, I agree

[@pablor3138]

agreed 15 hours in and I got bored. ditched it.

[@godabandonedmesoibecameaba8984]

I love tactics ogre much more than triangleRPG but I agtee that Denam is unlikable and I don't get the love for him

[@christophermonzon8883]

Great video

[@brewunited]

Thank you! I appreciate you watching it.

[@pablor3138]

I played about 15 hours of TTOR and to be honest, I got bored, the story never got to me and the gameplay became too repetitive, new abilities and progression were too slow. I love FFT and am looking for a worthy successor, I hope TS will be it. Im buying it.

[@AbdullahQumper]

Triangle Strategy is from Square Enix... that it

[@Stefano-r5v]

Both

[@EfftingES]

Ive always liked JRPG, but SRPG never so much. Decided to pick up TO:R last week and Im totally hooked. On chapter 4 so far and totally loving it. Hard, but so much fun. The story, voices, characters and ganeplay are simply top tier. Might go for TS after! The game looks stunning

[@brewunited]

I love hearing that this game pulled you in! Totally worth finishing and picking up Triangle next. Let me know what you think.

[@303Thatoneguy]

Neither of these games are for beginners tbh. I’d recommend fft before those 2.

[@edl4767]

Tactics Ogre: Reborn graphics are yuck. Triangle Strategy otco graphics are starting to become overused. I'm just going wait for FFT remake.

[@schaughtful]

Tactics Ogre = 1/5 It’s not a zero because the voice acting and graphics are decent. The tactics are…generally just focus fire. Archers range is inaccurate, characters can Insta completely die without warning, & very grindy. Story is the worst of any RPG. Triangle Strategy = 5/5

[@MrVinic33]

Octopath Traveller 2, Triangle Strategy and Eyuden Chronicle Hundred Heroes are best

[@brewunited]

I'm very excited to play the Eiyuden Chronicles! Totally agree!

[@MrVinic33]

@@brewunited Yeahhh, i'm wait your Review Bro!!

[@Matt-yp6ez]

I like Triangle Strategy better than Octopath 2. I'm playing OT2 now, and it's fun but it has it's flaws. For turn based rpgs, I highly recommend Chained Echoes.

[@brewunited]

@Matt-yp6ez I love Chained Echoes, totally agree

[@ste5711]

None of them, Psoron in Valkyrie Profile 2 is better

[@alucard-jy8wh]

I don't get why you compared the two, final fantasy tactics war of the lions is superior to both in every way, especially superior to triangle strategy, their allot I could go on about witj triangle strategy, triangle strategy is also very boring with boring characters and boring maps

[@brewunited]

I agree that FF tactics is superior, waiting for that game to be remade.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Do you have access to FFT on anything other than a mobile phone or the PSP? Is it on the Switch?

[@ste5711]

Mirmo is better

[@MAGACOPP]

Better for the beginner? Who cares about beginners? 😂

[@joshhowe3551]

Yeah sorry I played triangle because there are few SRPGs out there. Triangle strategy loses in every single category and I mean every single one even graphics. There is no comparison between these two games. I still haven't beat triangle cause it looks horrid the story is not good the characters are forgettable and its just plain easy in battle. Tactics ogre is the OG and every srpg after is just hoping to copy it good enough to succeed

[@MRSAUltraviolet]

This man speaks truth.

[@andriesusanto8684]

tactics ogre is a real pain , even on the snes version . you only could equp 4 items and if your unit dies , well it dies 😂😂

[@IMRavnos]

How anyone with eyes can think Ogre looks better is beyond me. To each his own but objectively Ogre looks like a 3DS game in bad ways and uses colors the way a 3rd grader would. Triangle on the other hand decided to use colors in an artistic manner and not pull out the primary markers to drench everything in children's entertainment bright cheesy colors. Not saying Triangle is better as a game ( though it might be? Depends on what you want from an Srpg really ) it just looks much better and has a better presentation. Not really sure now anyone could compare the two and say ogre looks better and not be kidding or 10 years old.

[@Danlife112]

Definitely doesn’t lose in graphics

[@williamllambelis3254]

Wow man I’m sorry but I can’t agree at all The original game might hold a special place in your heart but triangle strategy is a pretty amazing game.