What The DEAD SEA SCROLLS Tell Us About the HISTORY Of The Biblical Text

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[@drrydog]

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[@jacobpeters5458]

lol, I like how you pause for dramatic effect over and over to repeat the same thing. as if "sons of God" isn't later given to Israel (Deut. 32:18-19) clearly meaning in Deut. 32:8 all people who were made in God's image as Gen. 1:26. That God is the one who divides the portions yet gives himself the smallest one doesn't strike you strange at all, esp since there were no Israelites And when verse 17 doesn't fit your interpretation you write a peer-reviewed article (because one is all it takes to convince all scholars), except verse 21 also exists. Bart Ehrman wannabe

[@TOGI4ever]

There is no doubt that there are textual differences to be found when surveying various source texts that precede the Masoretic rendition and its subsequent translations. However to ascribe intent (as some other posters to this thread have done) because it aligns with a purported cause, is a less than cautious approach. I am reminded of the Book of Job and the final word given by the Creator. We should all be a little more circumspect in our deliberations on the 'whys' and more thorough in our examination of the 'whats' - as you, my brother, have so masterfully done here. Kudos! Perhaps you might consider a video on the differences between the Western vs. Eastern interpretive processes. Love to see more on context. Evidently, it is needed.

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I came out of the halls of academe and want to say how rare it is for scholars like Dr. Heiser to share his learning with the populace rather than exercising exclusive possession of it. He is a God-given blessing to us.

[@katyekel]

Why that is? I would have thought if a scolar finds earth shattering interpretation (backed by actual facts and other scriptures) of the Bible that he would undoubtedly want to share it as many people as possible.

[@MisterHowzat]

​@@katyekel Exactly my thoughts, too. Being a teacher myself, I know the heart of a teacher is to share and dispense knowledge. A person who is a teacher at heart surely cannot keep knowledge and especially discoveries to him/herself but itches to share it.

[@willfoster9525]

SO TRUE 🙏 highly respect for this man. We just want the truth, nothing more or less.

[@maboulofob]

How about Bart Ehrman ?

[@yacobshelelshaddai4543]

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[@JonLynchIsAlive]

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[@joanneg7646]

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[@wildtimes3368]

Mike is sorely missed. Nevertheless, he exhibits what I often see with the scholars, and that is they sometimes can’t see the forest because of the trees, i.e, they miss the big picture. The Essenes of Qumran were an outcast, minority group not part of the official priestly class of the Second Temple Period. In contrast, Lea Himmelfarb of Bar-Ilhan University makes a compelling case that the Masoretes were priests that began during the STP and thereby were entrusted with the Scriptures in accordance with Deuteronomy 31. It is difficult to believe that God would allow His true word to be kept silent for a thousand or more years until a Bedouin herder accidentally discovers it in the 1940s associated with non-official, non-priest separatists. Moreover, Verse 9 provides context that the people of Israel were in mind; “sons of God” makes no sense. Verse 9 begins with “for” - meaning because- from Hebrew ki, meaning God set the bounds of the nations according to the sons of Israel because Israel is His portion. Verse 8 is prophetical and foreword-looking, even though Israel did not exist at the time of the Babel rebellion. Mike was too often looking for support for the Divine Council when he did not need to do so.

[@craigime]

​@@wildtimes3368 sp heiser is wrong because it doesn't make sense to you?

[@wildtimes3368]

⁠@@craigimeI said “it” makes no sense, specifically to argue the true text to be “sons of God” rather than “sons of Israel.” The context, as shown in verse 9, is about Israel (Jacob) not the Divine Council. Moreover, verse 8 says “sons of Adam,” indicating the overall context is about humans, not the angelic host. To sandwich in “sons of God” between “sons of Adam” in verse 8 and “Jacob” in verse 9 makes no sense. I understand completely what Mike was saying, I just disagree. The Jews worldwide recognize the MT, not LXX or DSS, so it seems to me that if one is going to debate a Jew about who Jesus is, it would be best to debate them with a text they recognize. In some future day when they “will look upon me [Jesus] whom they have pierced” (Zechariah 12:10) upon His return, they’ll be remembering that passage from the MT, not DSS or LXX. Unlike many scholars, even more conservative ones like Heiser, they don’t seem to believe God preserved His word in accordance with Psalm 119:89 and Psalm 138:2, as well as other, similar, passages. Dr. Floyd Nolen Jones and others have examined this issue at length, and it is sad that the seminaries keep pumping out godless graduates like Bart Ehrman who get lost in the wasteland of textual criticism.

[@craigime]

​@@wildtimes3368 i don't even know where to start... first of all, what does people like Bart Ehrman have to do with this? Ehrman and his ilk left Christianity because their faith was weak- it wasn't textual criticism that made him leave. Secondly, you're saying that "sons of God" isn't the original reading simply because it "makes no sense" to you? thankfully your opinion doesn't hold much weight... Sons of God is undoubtedly the original reading- not only because it is from an older witness, but because it best explains the variants. The LXX has "angels of God" (presupposing bnei elohim). the MT and the LXX just interpreted it differently; the MT assuming that sons of God referred to Israel and the LXX assuming it refers to the angels. The context doesn't dismiss it either- that's a frankly ridiculous argument. "The Jews worldwide recognize the MT, not LXX or DSS, so it seems to me that if one is going to debate a Jew about who Jesus is, it would be best to debate them with a text they recognize." what does that have to do with anything? who talked about debating Jews? we're talking about the original reading of a verse. Who do you know that uses Deut 32:8 to debate jews in the first place? "they don’t seem to believe God preserved His word in accordance with Psalm 119:89 and Psalm 138:2" This is again according to your opinion? Who told you they don't believe God preserved his word? Psalm 138:2 isn't even talking about preserving his word- and again, what does that have to do with this?? If "sons of God" is the original reading, then of course he preserved his word.

[@shayalynn]

This is what I was most curious about regarding the discovery of the Dead Scrolls.. Thank you so much for the comparisons.

[@godsgirl9623]

It makes so much sense why the understanding of angels is so important and why it's so misconstrued now because it's such a huge part of being deceived not just about today but about why things occurred the way they did throughout the Bible

[@justice8718]

Angels are beings God can create whenever he wants, so it doesn’t even matter. It doesn’t help that man that are accepted by God are his sons too. Thus, to clarify the text, God used “Sons of Israel” to describe who were in his kingdom at the time of Babel, both man and angel.

[@biniammario3018]

I always thank my Lord for giving me such a chance, an eye opening clues from every direction. I am Ethiopian and I can read the oldest Ethiopian language, Geez. Whenever I found such a mistranslation clues out there, especially on the OT scriptures, what I will always do is to go and check it on the Geez text. Regarding this topic, you know what I found here? It says 'according to the Number of the Angeles of God'. So, my friends this claim for the distortion of the authentic and righteous content of the text is strong.

[@oldschool5]

Do you have Deuteronomy in ancient Ethiopian bible. I would love to know what Deuteronomy in the Ethiopian bible reads

[@wakeywakey8603]

Wow thank you for sharing. What is the name of YHWH in the ancient Geez? Is it Yahweh, Yahuah, Jehovah, Yehova, Yahuah?

[@maxprescott9371]

@@wakeywakey8603Hello ,, keep in mind that the Hebrew YHWH is unpronounceable and called “ The Hashem “ translated “ The Name “,,,, words such as Jehovah ect are not found in Scripture, they are invented words 🖖🌍

[@fearofaflatearth]

Great advice and great share! Thank you! In my view, the best scholars (regardless of background) all agree that the "inerrancy" claim about the Bible applies to the original text. We can verify which translations are more accurate precisely by their adherence to the original text (which we are about to ascertain, keep track of, verify over time, etc using other means like ELS, archeology, and context proofs). I 100% agree with you that you can trust the Ethiopian version over ESV and others simply by the fact that it better and more closely resembles the original text. God's blessings for you!

[@fearofaflatearth]

​@@maxprescott9371Yeshua HaShem

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[@constantinelastevangelion7956]

dear sir.God surely loved you for the efforts and times you've been poured dedicated to God.But God's word and deed shall not limited to translations only. Why did God allowed Sarah captured by unnamed Pharaoh?Why did God allowed Joseph to be sold and elevated in Egypt? Why did God elevated Daniel in Nebuchadnezzar reign?Why did God,through Isaiah prophecied choose His 1st gentile Masiach Cyrus?Why did God sent Israel to war against surrounding nations,if God Himself can obliterated Sodom and Gomorrah with His own Hands? So you see,even in Old Testaments, God already started to offer grace and salvation to the gentiles. Well,despite of the arrogance and stiff necked of our oldest brother, israel.

[@StrawberrySoul77]

Israel =. Is = is & Ra = Sun God & El = God’s name. Israelites = Is Ra Elites = Sun Gods with a disproportionate amount of power and financial wealth compared to the rest of mankind. Someone thinks they are superior.

[@morneterblanche2228]

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

[@morneterblanche2228]

Deuteronomy 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Well I'd Adam was the son of God, guess sons of God is in order , aswell as Isreal , who was the seed of Jacob , and Jacob comes from Isaac, Abram - Shem, to Seth to Adam to God. The problem lies with the linage of Cain to Lameck, it ends with Naamah as the first daughter of man bu name . The sons of God took daughters of man , that would be daughters of angels and that is why a man and a jong man was slayed for 70 x 7 avangance. That daughter of man was of Lamecks second wife , and Noah ore Ham, Shem, ore Japeth took her as wife. The sons of man /angel was the linage of Abel. The daughters of man was the linage of Cain . Cain , the seed of the tiller of the ground Abel the seed of the man to dress and keep the garden Seth as the seed apointed by God because Cain slew Abel. Seth was the likeness and image of Adam as a son. Cain was gotten from the LORD, as a man. Abel was the gotton of God as the seed of the keeper , not Cain from the LORD as the seed of the tiller. Even the Holy Bible red letters edition 1684 confirms it

[@morneterblanche2228]

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Revelation 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. Angel refers to a man aswell. Their earthy man aswell as heavenly man . 1 Corinthians 15:45-50 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

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[@flamingswordapologetics]

Interesting, I know of a group of people who have tried using this text to say the bible was for Israel only, so just think how one change can make a big difference.

[@CatarineausArmory]

I would say it has specific entries for these "sons of God" such as Ps82. it can be read as a chastisement for the watchers failures... God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

[@experiencemystique4982]

A only one Creator, with preferences? Nope,

[@CatarineausArmory]

Robin Wood Psalm 82 is not speaking to Israel.

[@experiencemystique4982]

@Robin Wood Israel... Jacob..a man, using his free will deciding the right path teach by the one, love. And Israel is a way of ascension you leave the matter, earth, Lucifer carnal desires and become an evolution more spiritual...more simple

[@flamingswordapologetics]

@Robin Wood Its more than clear that the plan of God includes all nations through Christ, who was the fulfillment of Abraham's Seed. One could argue that now in Christ we are all Israel in a spiritual since, but some debate taking it that far. What we are sure of, is that in Christ, all barriers have been broken down and Israelite or gentile (the nations) are all included in God's plan. Psalm 86:9 alone proves my point, but that is a drop in the bucket to all the scripture we have on this subject. Dr. Heiser covers this as well in much more detail.

[@bobbycrosland9906]

True understanding goes beyond the boundaries of tradition. Christ himself put the scripture in perspective when he said " you search the scripture and in them you think you have eternal life, they are them which testify of Me.But you are not willing to come unto Me that you may have life."

[@rbergs7193]

Thank you Dr. Heiser. I'm convinced you are a blessed, chosen, and holy man. So much respect for you, I love what you do for us!

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[@spod11]

shut up already. Mike is child of Lucifer.

[@rmh_223]

@@spod11 How so?

[@jparks6544]

@@spod11 He definitely is a FALSE teacher.

[@ce6236]

@@jparks6544 you have proof?

[@teachersikhumbuzomoyo5419]

Always delivering great profound content Dr Heiser you do not disappoint, I wana be like you all the way,in your intensity and depths

[@theburlyburrito]

I love the way the NET puts the passage. It even says in the foot notes to look at Dr. Heiser‘s teaching on this!

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

NET Full Notes Edition is my go-to English Bible.

[@andyartensol7585]

Why do you love this?

[@theburlyburrito]

@@andyartensol7585 Because it has been rendered in an accurate yet easy to read manner using the DSS.

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@@PracticalBibleStudies how to get one in electronic form?

[@mrvax2]

Hello Dr.Mike. I did not know you had this channel and YT recommended this to me! I have been subscribed to your FringePop channel. This is very good info and can be easily missed by a casual reading of the Bible. Thank you.

[@John14-6...]

I would love to see a whole video on the dead sea scrolls because there's so much on youtube that say opposite things and you don't know which interpretations to trust even from so called scholars because of their own biases

[@carla-CY-PenArt]

So true

[@drrydog]

what biases?

[@John14-6...]

@@drrydog Some biblical scholars are very liberal and do not believe that the Bible is God's word. They teach from the perspective that everything that happened to the people including miracles have natural explanations but the people being superstitious attributed everything to their God.

[@bstrick9686]

Pray for discernment....it will guide you to the Real Truth

[@SatanFollower1]

⁠@@John14-6...dawg scholars do not teach that the miracles had natural explanations 💀 skeptics will say those miracles never occurred, there is no evidence that they did

[@davidchase2156]

Thank you Michael! For all your work! I have been so blessed by your videos!🤗

[@michaelblake2280]

for spreading lies? The dead sea scroll are fake.

[@christalee3643]

​@@michaelblake2280 Really? How do you know that??

[@christalee3643]

I have also been blessed with Dr.Michael Heiser's videos!!♥️

[@xrpirate536]

Wow! Reading the comments below, I can see from the scriptures, about our time, that many have taken the plain Gospel and wondered down strange roads.

[@marleneg7794]

The internet has not helped in this tegard.

[@snowrider4495]

Why would you believe a fictional book in the first place? There are almost zero facts in the buybull except some names of towns the rest is fiction!

[@ProjectIcarusFE]

@@snowrider4495 the Bible correctly describes the fall of Tyre, how the walls of Jericho fell, it prophesied Alexander the great, and the fall of the 2nd Temple centuries prior. Watch Mike Wingers evidence for the Bible series. God bless.

[@snowrider4495]

@@ProjectIcarusFE maybe if you did a little research not using apologist you'll get the truth.the style of writing back then gives us clues! Much of the buybull was written after these things happened! Making them seem true but most of its just copied stories you can easily find in much older mythology just with names and places changed!

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@@snowrider4495 you're an expert, huh? I don't think so. You're style of writing is consistent with being a fool. So why should anyone take you seriously, troll?

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[@lauran6184]

Thank you, for being precise with His Word.

[@Jemoh66]

Notice the Targum brings all the renderings together (Septuagint TON ANGELLON THEOU, DSS B’NEI ELOHIM, and MT B’NEI ISRAEL): “When the Most High made allotment of the world unto the nations which proceeded from the sons of Noach, in the separation of the writings and languages of the children of men at the time of the division, He cast the lot among the seventy angels, the princes of the nations with whom is the revelation to oversee the city, even at that time He established the limits of the nations according to the sum of the number of the seventy souls of Israel who went down into Mizraim.”

[@preciousvessel9988]

I bless God for your Dr . Heiser you taught me about God's council and that was life changing. May Almighty God increase your wisdom as we grow in the love and knowledge of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

[@Warlanda]

amen

[@mamamarianovits9029]

Indeed, there is much information and much misinformation. I would not wish to be the one who deceives those who seek the truth.

[@romainejayne1811]

...neither would I.

[@Itismeonhere]

I come into agreement with you including your words applied to me as well. I pray that no one will ever say of me that I led them astray, but that God Himself worked through me even when I don't even know it and that it is His truth through His Spirit Working in me accomplishing His works so that His Will can be done beyond what I understand or know about.

[@snowrider4495]

Unfortunately that's what all religions do! Deceive and lie to get your money!!

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

_How can you say, We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord, when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?_ - Jeremiah 8:8

[@truth198]

God proof with math gematria kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2LHoKt6mqafbdE G o d 7+15+4 = 26 T e m p l e 20 5 13 16 12 5 2 5. 4. 7. 3. 5= 26 Israel I z real 9/26 reel Z i on 26 9 on On 9 26 Genesis 1:26 Image i. m. a. g. e 9 13 1 7 5 9. 4. 1. 7. 5 = 26 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2LHoKt6mqafbdE Brainwashington DCvers kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYqwoIOkoLt8p6c They call that free dum kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3y5hmqvjdtqa8k God's rainy day thoughts kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYm4d413er6tnLs God's fustration kzbin.info/www/bejne/fV6clmCbaL6Inac I need some disciples cuz I can't do this by myself I've been trying to get a job for the past 2 months almost three while doing this I've been trying to figure a way finding my first apostles. and I'm as you would expect outta the money. My goal here is not to make much money I'm just trying to make heaven and until then I got to have a place to live and food to eat with a core group of supporters

[@truth198]

Brain Washington DCvers

[@stevenlightfoot6413]

Thank you for sharing this information.

[@lachuck2476]

I think that is a bad translation.

[@lachuck2476]

...of Jeremiah 8:8

[@fumastertoo]

Another fantastic video, and another reason I use more than one translation. God bless brother!

[@crossedlightning1]

I know in my heart it says sons of God, thank you for this clarification

[@user-wn8mc1yc1g]

You do know that there are no men or women in heaven right? God is not man or woman - Father is the Title We recognize because the Son Is Our Relation To God. So there are the Sons of God and also the Children of God. There are no divisions in sex because there is no procreation in heaven.

[@tryemc3026]

Not sure what the point here. Looks like you guys are winging it and nothing better to do.. lol

[@drrydog]

​@@tryemc3026 the whole biblical circus show only knows how to wing it. after all science smashed everything they believe in centuries ago... lmao

[@christfollower5713]

Dr. Heiser if u would make a video on Jewish history of Heaven and Hell , words like Sheol and things like that , would be really enlightening 🙏🏻🙏🏻💗💗💗

[@nathanielcheyenne2942]

Sheol is adjacent to Abraham's Bosom. It's divided by a chasm. With the Abuso (spelling?) directly beneath it. Before Jesus, who gave His life for us, no one could enter Heaven. Hence, No man can come to the Father but through the Son. Some believe Abraham's Bosom is where He went during the 3 days before the Resurrection to bring all to be with the Father. Sheol bad.

[@Praise___YaH]

Here is the Original Semitic Text, in Moshe (Moses) own handwriting YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@Praise___YaH]

@ΙΧΘΥΣ Ichtys Sir, I’m Jewish, have Two College Degrees, am WELL Educated in Semitic, Paleo and Modern Hebrew and what you quoted is incorrect What I shared is the Ancient Egyptian Semitic, in Moshe’s Own Handwriting. It is the ORIGINAL Text, The ORIGINAL Bible, yet you quote and claim your 4th generation “English” translation. I suggest you go back and REREAD what I shared

[@Praise___YaH]

@ΙΧΘΥΣ Ichtys YaH is Elyon (The Most High) and YaH is man’s ONLY Savior. You either understand that or you do not Praise YaH

[@Praise___YaH]

@ΙΧΘΥΣ Ichtys Being Jewish and “all my Degrees” declare, I CAN READ SEMETIC AND I CAN READ HEBREW SIR and I shared what Moses wrote, IN MOSES OWN HANDWRITING with you so you could have EXACTLY what Moses wrote.......... SIR His Name is YaH, NOT YAHWEH sir and jesus IS LUCIFER PERIOD Praise YaH

[@azmike1956]

Keep in mind that as the Hebrew priests got lazy they relied on the kennites to be scribes & perform other church duties.

[@amycanizaro5987]

Do you have a giants book as well? What sore are your books on? Saw some on Skywatch. Suggestions for me? Love your teaching would like a book or three from you!

[@joerivera6011]

Great Teaching, I'd like to view this entire teaching, Thank You!🙏🏼 👍🏼😃

[@snakejumper3277]

I highly recommend his book, "The Unseen Realm." You'll get this & then some.

[@Praise___YaH]

Here is the Original Semitic Text, in Moshe (Moses) own handwriting YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@rokitman5753]

@@Praise___YaH He died for our sin of unbelief not the word sin that is used in bibles. Jesus said to the woman at the well " now go and bellieve" He ddnt say sin no more. If you believe then you are not a sinner BUT you will still fall short of His Glory. Be careful what and how you read Gods word satan has messed with everything

[@Praise___YaH]

@@jyi5506 VERY nice to meet you. Praise YaH, Praise His Holy Name Aleichem Shalom

[@marinadoerksen8107]

@@rokitman5753 Jesus said to the woman, "go and believe" because if we really believe in our hearts we will stop willfully sinning. No one who does not truly believe can have a lasting change of heart that turns them from sin.

[@ronscarpa641]

Thanks for the clarification Dr. Heiser. Much Appreciated. Be Blessed...Ron (Las Vegas)

[@Praise___YaH]

Here is the Original Semitic Text, in Moshe (Moses) own handwriting YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@spod11]

sons of God are just godly men. Mike is child of Lucifer.

[@user-gy5er6wh2j]

@@spod11 Provide evidence rather than throwing around ad-hominems around.

[@518corky]

They took out 33 books. Im just gonna live my life with a heart full of love and do my best to love every human no matter what they did and treat people and animals with kindness and dignity

[@jimwilleford6140]

I am with you.

[@alisonholland7531]

Crystal Clear - me too, I am so confused as to who and what is right 😔

[@bartleon]

May God bless you and fill you and be with you forever. John 14: 21 He who has My (Jesus) commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me. John 7: 37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “[g]If anyone is thirsty, [h]let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From [i]his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

[@truth198]

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[@roblucci2366]

Who is they? And when did they do it? Also what are those books

[@nickhart8212]

As a Roman Catholic I often have to defend my faith against attacks by fellow Christians (very sad). Inevitably I rely on scripture because, believe it or not, that's what our doctrines are founded on. So I often come across differences in English bible translations during these debates. Inevitably, the RSCVE revised Catholic bible is the closest to Tanakh / OT scriptures. Like it is for Deuteronomy 32:8.

[@debbieculley7532]

When I read about Joan of Arc, she claimed to have heard voices from Jesus about an inheritance to France to a King, and then was later martyred for being a witch and hearsay. She was burned at the stake, and her last words were "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus". She was only 19 years old. I keep getting a feeling that a lot of the Old Testament may be corrupted through spirits of the fallen angels. I think all born again Christians should pray daily for guidance in order to fully discern correct information and also should concentrate on the New Testament instead of the old testament. The Holy Spirit was given to born again Christians as a guide and mentor to the truth. I believe we are not equal to God, as all men have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God (says this in the Bible). However, it is only through Jesus Christ, that we can obtain salvation and entry into the KIngdom of God and then become children of God. God bless.

[@Drooblemeister]

Sure, translation is not 100% perfect, but we still know with 99.9% accuracy, this one verse does not change the entire Bible and too many Christians are 'New Testament only' Christians. Nothing of theological importance or significance has been changed or removed from the pages of the Old Testament, remember this was the same 'Scripture' that the Apostle Paul says is 'God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness so the man of God may be equipped for every good work.' (2nd Timothy 3:16-17) The New Testament parallels the Old way more than we realize and one cannot fully appreciate Yeshua, the Jewish Messiah's divine sacrifice for all of humanity, both Jew and Gentile without understanding Old Testament feasts, 7 year time cycles and God's redemptive acts, this is why we should not only read from the New Testament only and we should not only read through our Greek, Platonic, Hellenistic lense and start reading it more Semitically (Jewish, Middle Eastern context in which it was written).

[@debbieculley7532]

@Emily "As the fire was lit, and spread, she uttered her last words, “Jesus! Jesus! Jesus,” she said, repeating Christ’s name several times before her death." Taken from this article: www.livescience.com/38288-joan-of-arc.html. And there are many more.

[@str.77]

That's only hearsay.

[@kayleneemery8217]

Thank you Michael...I miss you .

[@robertw788]

I see Dr. Heiser as an amplifed Dr. Church Missler in the sense that they both can take obscure passages of scripture and shine a light on them in a way that can change the way you see God, see His council, and admire His character. Dr. Heiser, however, goes much deeper and I find myself wishing I could spend days upon end doing my own research into the Biblical realities he brings to light.

[@Praise___YaH]

Here is the Original Semitic Text, in Moshe (Moses) own handwriting YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"

[@younescontemplates2845]

Has biblical text been well preserved???? Or has it changed over time?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobInGOXjcl3g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHiagWSZqsmpe6c

[@spod11]

yes, he is like Chuck Missleader. Mike is child of Lucifer.

[@jimwilleford6140]

The deeper the more doo doo. Keep it simple and pure as was intended.

[@subduechaos]

Missler doesn't get it.

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

Dr. Heiser is an excellent scholar of the Bible and a plethora of countless books and writings. He seeks truth and teaches the truth. As he rests with God I know I miss his person and know he would have continued to teach on the scripture especially in light of current events. I have much respect for for his brilliance and passion for truth

[@TheTradingmajic]

When you understand Jeremiah 8:8 you realize the lying pen of the scribes... This changes happen far too often and they usually occur whenever they are touched by the same set of people... Jeremiah 8:8 8 How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us,’ when in fact the lying pen of the scribes has produced a deception? 9The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what wisdom do they really have?…

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Woe to them who changed the word of scriptures and said this is from Allah!

[@jperez7893]

“You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I am commanding you.” The masoretic text must never be used

[@NipkowDisk]

I do hope Dr. Mike and his family are doing well in their new home. He was an elder at Grace Church in Bellingham, Washington for a few years and we were certainly blessed to have their family here.

[@younescontemplates2845]

Has biblical text been well preserved???? Or has it changed over time?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobInGOXjcl3g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHiagWSZqsmpe6c

[@drrydog]

He certainly made a lot of money.

[@richardlilley6274]

Thank you for sharing

[@susanfromthemountains1754]

The New American Bible is translated from the original languages with critical use of all the ancient sources. It contains Deuteronomy 32:8 as reading, "sons of God". Thank you for posting this video. I'm glad to have studied this further.

[@geezermann7865]

I prefer the translations that use Elohim instead of "god". It is more accurate since it is plural.

[@wildtimes3368]

But the Syriac Peshitta and Latin Vulgate say, "sons of Israel." I don't believe God squirreled the true rendering away from His people for two millennia in the DSS at Qumran under a separatist sect that was not part of mainstream Judaism, but I believe He made it available to His people through the Masoretic Text that is accepted by mainstream Judaism and Christianity.

[@susanfromthemountains1754]

@@wildtimes3368 interesting, thank you.

[@susanfromthemountains1754]

@@geezermann7865 thank you.

[@ChrisMusante]

Thanks Mikey!! When God 'knows' us... we produce 'fruits' that are a product (offspring / fruits of the 'spirit') of our 'obedience'. Since the relationship is reciporacal - when we 'draw near'... He draws near. Thus, false Gods cannot 'know' us... and we cannot 'know' them. Explained: When we 'know God' we 'image' God, through obedience to the truth. Because 'false gods' are NOT 'true'... they cannot be 'imaged'. In the same way that we 'listen' to or 'hear' God, He then 'hears' and obeys us... because He MUST honor His promises that He CANNOT 'break'. Hope this makes sense. Shalom!! 👑

[@noneyabusiness9570]

I am a Follower of Christ. This is different than Christianity. They do: help the poor or those in need, but NOW...ONLY if you are a tithing MEMBER of their church. I believe in helping ANY that GOD places in my path. In whatever way needed. I currently have a sweat shop worker abused by her family in my home...giving her a hand up. She WAS BORN HERE...her mother is just a horrible human being. I'm sure there's more to the story, but she's very quiet. I don't push. She is free. That's what matters. We are to serve each other not box each other into acceptable or not.

[@benji4330]

God bless you

[@MORE1500]

You seem to have a proper understanding of 'who is my neighbor'. Blessings to you.

[@str.77]

The two concepts of "helping your neighbour" and "tithing at church" are completely unrelated. Why play one off against the other?

[@dennisprow7576]

Yes! 100% agree. Better for me to give to the those in need that God puts in my path. I also believe in supporting my Pastor. I wouldn't muzzle the ox.

[@noneyabusiness9570]

@@dennisprow7576 I am a minister, as we all should be to each other. No matter the "religion"

[@americanlostinvietnam3721]

Just so people understand, the Masoretic Text is the Hebrew's authoritative text today. It was made by the Masoretes between 980 - 1100 AD which is very recent. The scribes changed the prophetic texts to point away from Jesus as Messiah. This is why a Christian cannot go by the Hebrew...it has been compromised. God preserved the original text within the Septuagint (Greek OT) 2-500 years BC. The Septuagint was the authoritative text of the 2nd temple period and was the text that Jesus used being that in Jesus' time, very few Jews spoke Hebrew language. They spoke Greek, they read Greek and they wrote Greek. For those that want to argue if Jesus spoke Greek or not, think about when Pilate spoke to Jesus in private quarters and questioned him. Where they communicating in Latin or Hebrew? Then came the Dead Sea Scrolls and proved the Masoretic Text was in error and the Septuagint correct and even added some scriptures that had originally been lost. This is why you see differences. Be very careful when reading bibles that run off of the Masoretic Text.

[@happycook6737]

A small fragment is shown in isolation. How do we know it was in the same position in the text? There are not enough words around the fragment to anchor it for certain

[@younescontemplates2845]

Has biblical text been well preserved???? Or has it changed over time?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobInGOXjcl3g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHiagWSZqsmpe6c

[@KevinHammond1]

My thoughts exactly.

[@konstantinoschristou3701]

Thank you for all. May you be well.

[@fraukeschmidt8364]

I have known this for many years now... from this very source, Dr Michael Heiser. I think the Dead Sea scrolls reading makes sense because it explains and shows that the preceding 7 verses are addressed to the nations, to all of mankind (see verse 1). It is only from verse 8/9 that Moses' speech was addressed to Israel in particular.

[@younescontemplates2845]

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[@shemmen1488]

It's parashat Noach and sadly I waited in vain for some teachers to discover the reality of Gen 1-4 or explain why the depravity became so abundant. I heard really weird stuff. The closest came from a rabbi who said God sent down two angels , one of which got stuck on earth with human wives and the other repented and went back up to God. I'm so grateful that Dr Heiser directed us towards a view that ties together the course of events in a meaningful way. Thank you Dr Heiser and God bless you.

[@mattportnoyTLV]

Doesn’t the book of Enoch talk about this?

[@Harmelcon]

The LXX says "angels of God," not "sons of God." This may support the thesis if the LXX interpreted "sons of God" as a reference to angels.

[@Trwillis9]

The “sons of God” are a class of angels of God… You didnt know this???

[@internetenjoyer1044]

thats probs an artifact of how the septuigent kind of squeezes the spiritual beings of the ot into Greek words and therefore Greek catagories. It's not the biggest deal but Hieser rightly goes on about how that's lead to an oversimplied grasp of them in English translations

[@lilchristuten7568]

@@Trwillis9 The sons of God are humans not angels.

[@cptarchangel257]

@@lilchristuten7568 No. The place where it says son's of God with daughtera of men. It means fallen angels

[@lilchristuten7568]

@@cptarchangel257 No it doesn't.

[@Gruuvin1]

Now seeing so much evil being perpetrated on mankind, how wonderful is it to learn that God gave us over to these evil demons. This was God's will; for us to be ruled by them.

[@dam1371]

So the question I have is what are the ramifications of this change? Also, how would this change the teaching of other scriptures associated with this particular passage?

[@robertthomas5100]

My take is that the watchers are real. Much of the supernatural has been removed or made us to think that it is only allegory. When in fact it is literal.

[@MuyVergonzoso]

Hello, Dave! A few implications come to mind. 1) As a result of their rebellion in Babel, God divorces the nations and places them under the tutelage of the sons of God. Now, he focuses his attention on creating his own people (Israel). 2) These sons of God are judged in Psalm 82 and are doomed to share the fate of the fallen humanity. 3) Isaiah 11 explains how the nations are going to come back to the fold through the actions of Jesse's Root (Jesus Christ) and Isaiah 24 links the punishment of the host of heavens above with the punishment of the kings of the Earth in the day of the Lord. 4) You understand better where Daniel's prince of Persia and prince of Greece come from. 5) You understand better Paul´s teaching about principalites, thrones, powers or dominions and governors in the high places. According to Paul, it was Jesus' resurrection that brings about their dowfall. Before the cross, when Jesus messed with the demons in Gadara, they called him "Son of the Most High" and asked him why he was messing with them before the appropriate time. After the resurrection Jesus told us to go to all the nations and make disciples, which means the time had come to conquer spiritually the nations and bring the downfall of the spiritual powers that controlled them. A correct interpretation of Deuteronomy 32 doesn´t bring about any change to the Gospel of course, but it enhances our understanding in how God deals with the nations before and after the first coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@drrydog]

gj guys!! make it all up as you go. the whole biblical circus show only knows how to wing it. after all science smashed everything they believe in centuries ago... lmao

[@californianorma876]

Sold! New subscriber. You go deep! ❤❤❤👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@seth1665]

it's just annoying that this kind of thing was "allowed" to happen. imperfect transcribing is one thing, this is another. this change has theological implications.

[@MazBringsby]

Yes, the ramifications are immense.

[@EricTirado]

It does have theological implications, but does it have salvific implications? I don't think so.

[@Soulaliss]

They added a verse in the New Testament too in John. Year of the lord were the prophecies about the lords first coming. It wasn’t three years like everyone says it was just one year. Day of the lord is the great and dreadful day when He returns for the bride and kill those who have the mark.

[@Soulaliss]

Eric that is the reason why Jesus allowed it to happen. It really doesn’t matter if you call the sons of Israel or sons of God because they have both names.

[@Soulaliss]

Tony Ortega yeah says those who all translated the Bible after 1611. Just look at all the changes they made in those new translations

[@kaly7256]

This is the reason that emphasized with metaphors and allegories, the meanings do not change with the words, there is the story of Jacob who gets the name Israel as he asks for a blessing from God, Israel = faithful

[@q09876543]

This is all very interesting. My question to you is two fold: why were the borders set according to the sons of God? If the sons of God were fallen angel's who have taken the daughters of man as their wives, how are they then, sons of God?

[@angierobshaw1741]

I heard it explained by the Bible project that when they say “sons of God” it’s similar to when the Bible says “sons of Eli” it’s referring to a group of people in like kind, not actually related sons.

[@richardhorst6810]

Father took one nation as his own, and placed a angle under each of the others. This is why most religion don't like Enoch.

[@peterflaten1521]

The fallen sons of God from Gen 6 were punished and bound. The sons of God who were put in charge of the nations were of the unseen realm, perhaps members of the divine council.

[@anatomicallymodernhuman5175]

The big question is, how did Moses know that? How did he know there were 70 sons of God?

[@Peacesoulution]

They made God separate from man, leaving them to go searching out there allowing the vessel(man) to be filled with the narratives of their choosing. You are the one you have been searching for all along! We live in this world not of this world meaning we are not separate from the I AM and God. This has been a grave misunderstanding for the masses that is being realized by the masses as we speak❤️🌈🌏 Godspeed

[@mjazzguitar]

It could be sons of God, because, doesn't an angelic being tell Daniel, that, with Gabriel, he battled the Prince of Persia, another angelic being?

[@DRMSH]

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[@footsoldier1188]

@@DRMSH dr. Why the lays commercial? Lol

[@lynzysconstitutionalcrashc7836]

I have "The Message" version Deuteronomy 32:8-9 "When the High God gave the nations their stake, gave them their place on Earth, He put each of the peoples within their boundaries under the care of divine guardians. But God himself took charge of his people, took Jacob on as his personal concern." Quite different.

[@Jinnyfir]

I'm not a fan of the Message translation, but "divine guardians" is somewhat accurate, but not precise, in the implication of the translation. Bene Ha'eohim (Sons of God), is reserved for beings that are a direct creation of God and more often than not is translated to "angels", both good and fallen.

[@dad4805]

Makes you wonder what else they changed or took out of the Bible

[@autisticphaglosophy7128]

Study textual criticism and wonder less.

[@greglaprade7507]

@@autisticphaglosophy7128 Amen and GOOD FOR YOU with that reply! God Bless you and yours. People want to doubt and complicate the Bible. These types usually claim to be people of science, yet they ignore the forensic science of the gospel accounts, the archeological science of all scripture, and the science of textual criticism... not to mention the video evidence that the unborn is a person and not some mysterious clump of cells.

[@TheFtw85bossczar]

Exactly

[@greglaprade7507]

@@TheFtw85bossczar I hope you're referring to my comment and not the comment by Dad4life.

[@emeraldfox7175]

A lot! They also removed many books from it!

[@differous01]

Judea's sects (warriors/Zealots, workers/Essenes, traders/Sadducee & lawyers/Pharisee) came together in the Temple, on the Foundation of Peace (Jerusalem), to wrestle with their differences, and YHWH spoke from "between the cherubim" (lion, ox, man & eagle respectively). The Temple's destruction left us with The Book: Masoretes changed their text from 'sons of God' to 'sons of Wrestling with God', preseerving the temple activity, and the Christian sect chose four gospels to preserve the Temple's template, with Christ as Cornerstone.

[@joannagannon1384]

What I wouldn’t give to watch a conversation between Micheal Heiser and Jordan Peterson....

[@slash4216]

I would too. I like Jordan Peterson, but he was very influenced by Carl Jung, who was a spiritualist similar to the aligns of pagan occults. Similar sort of philosophy. Jordan is a great psychologist and knows his stuff, but he doesn't see the Old Testament as literal, but metaphorical symbology. I think most Christians, including Heiser, sees the accounts as actual history.

[@joannagannon1384]

@@slash4216 Completely agree. As a Christian, I too see it as historic, but recognize that there are still literary devices being employed. I’m reading Unseen Realm now, and it does remind me a lot of Peterson’s Biblical lectures. Jung has his merits but more than his share of limitations, for sure. I’ve always values Piaget and think he’s very underrated.

[@canadiankewldude]

My copy of *_Brenton's English Septuagint_* also reads: *_"the number of the angels of God."_*

[@StrawberrySoul77]

When there is one intentionally made change, what does it say about the validity of the rest?

[@theburlyburrito]

It says nothing. We know by giving priority to the oldest text that it is supposed to say sons of God. All it shows is that you can’t successfully attempt to alter the word.

[@jdsheleg8332]

it seems that you will not accept any of it, no matter how honestly and correctly is presented to you..

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

It has the same effect as any other ancient historical text..so not much of a difference.

[@SimpleHumman]

I don't think Michael Heiser is suggesting that this was changed to deceive for nefarious reasons. Its possible it was changed to aid in the understanding of what the translator thought with the information he/she had at the time. Michael even says so in his comment on the ESV version dealing with the text. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[@jorgeabatocab]

Can't say precisely what it is ... but there's something wrong with this video and other videos of Heiser SPECIALLY the one about "the divine council" ... Where's the most important part of both The Old and New Testament?, The Sacrifice of our Lord, our Savior, our God Jesus Christ for the redemption of sins? A Scholar can search on and on and on inside the Holy Scriptures, sometimes very interesting when the context is in accordance with the most accurate translation of The Holy Word of God we have, The King James Version, but ... again ... can't say what it is, but something is not right with what Heiser says here and in many other videos, not judging, just expressing a sincere and heartfelt concern, God bless.

[@stressfree9780]

wow this is amazing im Sufi and I believe in all the prophets and messengers like Jesus mosses Mohammed and countless others who probably no one knows the names of - must most important is that we are all just the creation of the 1 true GOD and must return to that same ONE true GOD

[@UnEviLGaming]

uh nah if you support mohammad then you're against the God of the Bible due to the fact that it's clear that in the Bible Jesus states that only HE is the way truth and the Life & not only that but He is LORD. Now if you agree with muslim religion then that'll completely contradict that very statement of Jesus being Lord. Not only that but the Quran itself states that if you don't stand on the doctrine of the Christians / Jewish people then you don't have any basis and or concrete foundation. There's more than just that but yeah, God Bless you.

[@jarjar3143]

Only Yeshua was Yah incarnate . Elohim in the flesh . The Alpha and Omega . The one true God . His transcendence of the finite plain verifies our original source of origin because we forgot . We were descended from the mind of the Creator of all that is , and shall ascend back to source .

[@YouButter]

Jesus Is God. Ask Him ❤

[@flowers1-2-1]

My Orthodox Bible says 'By the number of God's angel's.' !!! Flo. BHam England UK. 17th Oct 2020

[@frankmartorana]

Thank you for this. Another example of the Masoretic texts being deliberately changed to take out what was not desirable to achieve a purpose and the protestants foolishly believing them and following. (I am a protestant and wish we would go back to using the Septuagint/Dead Sea translation and return the Apocrypha and the Book of Jubilees (a big Dead Sea favorite though not in the Septuagint) to their rightful places of honor.)

[@1cor69]

Original Bible had 77 books. KJV, others subtracted to now make 66.

[@theresefournier3269]

@@1cor69 Since there always seemed to be something missing (the whole truth) yes, that would make sense! and since "they" weren't afraid to break many other rules about altering, substituting, mistranslating, adding and taking away, what would stop "them" from doing so? such as "The Book of Enoch"? and when he is mentioned so often in the scriptures, why should he not be included? What were "they" afraid the people would know? Already, "they" didn't want anyone to even think that they could understand any of it by themselves and only the clergy was allowed... (Toda, Shalom, Agapao)

[@MBEG89]

The bible is filled with homophobia and slavery and youre concerened with this mundane crap? Leave the biblical research to unbiased parties please, this type of info just rattles your tinfoil hats too much.

[@teresawright8615]

The CC changed and eliminated books of scripture for control and created idol worship.

[@MBEG89]

@Hineni John3:16 im aware of all of this, also aware of the fact that youve had this conversation before because its the same approach to bibilical critics all apologists take. And both my points stand regardless, the bible acknowledges and supports slavery, and is hateful towards homosexuals,these are undeniable facts no matter how you try to twist it in a good light. But this isnt the the real topic of discussion at hand and ive no interest in it, have a nice day.

[@racegts]

Love these insights!!!! What’s your impression / opinion of the ISV?? I was a student of Dr. David Alan Black and have always loved his understanding of the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. I think they did a good job with this translation, I’d like to hear your insight.

[@terrijuanette486]

There are other 'corrections' in the Dead Sea Scrolls AND some of the Dead Sea Scrolls were full of errors. If you watch videos by Nehemia Gordon (here on YT, he worked on the DSS), he says it was obvious that some of the scrolls were written but had not be checked for errors, yet and others had. What does that mean? NO ONE writes perfectly. When you're writing something that takes months or years to write, you can make errors from your brain just being tired. When the scribe is done writing, another scribe goes through and corrects his errors. Just because "sons of God" used to be in there does not mean it was correct. AND Genesis was written by Moses (and scribes with Moses), so it WAS written AFTER Israel was a 'nation', or nearly so. PLUS, God knows the end of something before it even starts so numbering the nations according to the Sons of Israel would not be a problem for Him.

[@rayyang4708]

Jacob (aka Israel) settled in Egypt with his family and 400 years later Moses had to rescued his descendants out of Egypt. The Book of Deuteronomy is a record of Moses' final words to the sons (descendants) of Israel just before they crossed over to the promised land. How could the sons of Israel not have existed when the scrolls were written? The text is all about "sons of Israel" or, if you prefer, sons of "the chosen people of God", substituting Israel for God's chosen people. Although it is true that the nation of Israel was not in existence yet, the Dr made a slight-of-hand trick to deceive his audience by implying that the text is referring to the nation rather than the descendants of Israel. The term "sons of God" were referred to in Genesis as angels - they do not pro-create but were each created individually by God. Perhaps in order to avoid confusion with an already established term, they chose to call it "sons of Israel" in Deu32:8. True, the first part of Deu32:8 talks about the separation of people at the Tower of Babel but the second part refers to the boundaries Moses marked out for the Israelite (Num:34): "he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel" and is tied to the next verse: "For the Lord's portion is his people (descendants of Israel); Jacob (aka Israel) is the lot of his inheritance." Best that we read the Bible daily, chapter by chapter, book by book, over and over, and ask God to engrave His words in our hearts so we are able to identify false teachings instantly. For Bible study, I recommend: www.joncourson.com/teachings . . Blessings!

[@obcane3072]

So you are asserting that the Essenes replaced "sons of Israel " with "sons of God"? Why would they do that? What theological reason would they have? On the converse, would the Masorites (which was a family line of scribes) have a reason to change "sons of God" to "sons of Isrealites"? Could they have been embarrassed by the possibility that it appeared to suggest polytheism and during the Babylon captivity they decided to remove any suggestion of multiple gods. The latter seems to be a reasonable theory. The former does not. And in archeology, the older text is usually used and any change in newer texts suggests that it was altered. You would have to believe that the masorites were not able to keep their older (presumably more reliable) texts but desert dwellers were. This seems to be an conclusion in search of an argument.

[@meirsolomon5626]

@@obcane3072 I agree. The subject is so much more complex that an eight minute video can do any form of Justice too. Really, this is like looking at a twin and not the whole forest.

[@mjazzguitar]

I always read that the scribes were super strict about accuracy.

[@mjazzguitar]

@@obcane3072 Are you addressing someone in the comments?

[@FirstLast-zk5ow]

For those not limited by modern (worldly) thinking. Read your Bible for yourself. And be, speak and love as Jesus commanded.

[@zinnia3684]

King James Bible what about that one????? Skipped that one. I wonder why???

[@joepublic5469]

Yes, the 1611 kjv

[@joepublic5469]

The kjv and the 1611 kjv both say sons of Israel and not the Sons of God.

[@zinnia3684]

@@joepublic5469 that’s my point.

[@str.77]

There is no reason to mention any random Bible translation into some random language. The KJV says "sons of Israel" because they translated it from the MT. Just like the Vulgate. That translation however doesn't make much sense.

[@wendyread1183]

Super interesting. Just found your channel. I would love to hear your opinion on what is the "daily" or "continual" in Dan 12:11 that stops. Thanks.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Wendy Read, the “daily” in Dan 12:11 refers to the daily Temple services of sacrifices and offerings. And we can know this because the Septuagint reads “perpetual sacrifices” here, and because Dan 9:27 says the sacrifices and offerings are ended (omitting the word “daily”).

[@wendyread1183]

@@biblehistoryscience3530 Thanks. The context of the text sounds like a future event.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

@@wendyread1183, some believe that the prophesies were fulfilled by Romans in the first century, but they have to do a lot of allegorizing because history doesn’t align with the prophesies. So, the abomination of desolation is still future, and that means Israel must build another Temple for him to manifest at. In fact, I believe that’s the meaning of the sign in the parable of the fig tree, which Jesus said when you see this know that he's at the door. Then he taught how to be prepared ("watch"), which was then the lesson of the parable of ten virgins. Maranatha!

[@wendyread1183]

@@biblehistoryscience3530 Thank you for your time to reply!

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

@@wendyread1183, you're welcome.

[@nireekshanaanand3464]

Where's the full seminar

[@ADHD_Samurai]

See Awakening School of Theology and Ministry.

[@JohnSmith-xf1zu]

Interesting. It really makes me wonder how much has changed since the writing of the original text.

[@neverrip6809]

Meditation was added. Soul has been replaced with spirit. Spirit also replaced loads of other things, presence of god for instance is never heard any more.

[@wantanamera]

In the words of 21 savage: a lot

[@WhatYourPastorDidntTellYou]

Probably not much difference, the same historical process is still used.

[@lairdmusic2520]

When you understand Romans 2:28-29 and realize God knows the beginning from the end, this is not a mystery. For we are His beloved, His one fold, the Israel of God. Always have been, always will. Shalom and love in Messiah Jesus. Romans 2:28-29 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[@younescontemplates2845]

Has biblical text been well preserved???? Or has it changed over time?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobInGOXjcl3g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHiagWSZqsmpe6c

[@adhitripras8945]

Who wrote the book of romans?

[@lairdmusic2520]

@@adhitripras8945 Short answer, Paul. I might be able to answer more specifically if you ask more specifically. Shalom 2 Peter 3:15-16 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 
and again to think the patience of God to tend to their salvation, as Paul wrote to them in his epistles 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Philippians 3:4-6 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

[@lairdmusic2520]

@@younescontemplates2845 The archaeological, manuscript, prophetic and Scriptural evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of a very accurate translation. Particularly as we have the writings preserved by the prophets in the wilderness, the followers of the Way, which include Isaiah, Elijah, John the Baptist and Paul. Many copied over 2,000 years ago. But more importantly, the singular TRUTH is evident in each book, as this is an integrated message system. Uniquely, it is a guide to discern which voice is speaking to you. Very important as the walk of faith is obeying Jesus’ voice. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. For a more profound understanding, study the Greek, but translate all into Hebrew. Shalom and peace abide in Jesus’ personal love.

[@peterejones]

Paul is false.

[@therealBocaStudios]

The biggest takeaway from this is regardless of the source it remains post Babylon captivity…God wanted to point that out to us..this verse proves that.

[@dublion7]

Yep, Synagogue of Satan is a very accurate description of those that change the holy book. Thanks Yeshua 🙏🏾

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

Fyi: Yeshua aka Jesus Christ did go to a synagogue during the time he's on earth. He didn't go to a church. That's a fact.

[@joepublic5469]

That name is wrong. They change ancient writings but you think they tell the truth today? That is not his name.

[@joepublic5469]

There were seven churches in Asia at the time of christ. It's who the seven letters were written to. There were churches.

[@younescontemplates2845]

Has biblical text been well preserved???? Or has it changed over time?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobInGOXjcl3g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHiagWSZqsmpe6c

[@sparkuri]

@@joepublic5469 I better brush up. I thought those churches were established after Jesus' crucifixion...

[@carla-CY-PenArt]

I can understand that, because when I fly I love looking out to window looking at the landscape, and I see all these different shapes of the land some big some small and man didn’t do it God did. It’s beautiful to me and it touch me on a spiritual level.

[@fleadoggreen9062]

It’s all bunk ! Broke my heart but I’m so glad I found the truth !

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

The Holy Qur'an preserved the real Torah & the real Gospel of Jesus for eternity. That's why 75% of the stories in the Holy Qur'an are about Jewish prophets. Mary the mother of Jesus (peace be upon them all) are the most virtuous woman in the whole nations as enshrined in the Holy Qur'an.

[@Model3GenerativeANdroid]

_"And mention in the Book about Mary when she withdrew from her family to an eastern place.” “So she took a veil (to screen herself) apart from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit (Holy Spirit) that presented himself to her a perfect man.”_ _“She said: ‘Verily I take refuge in the Beneficent (Allah) from you! if you are God-fearing.” “He (the angel) said: ‘Verily I am only a messenger of your Lord that I bestow on you a pure son’.” “She said: ‘How shall there be for me a son while no man has touched me, neither have I been unchaste.”_ _“He said: ‘So (it will be)’. Your Lord says: ‘It is easy for Me, and that We will make him a Sign (miracle) unto the people and a Mercy from Us, and it is a matter decreed. “So she conceived him (Jesus) and withdrew with him to a distance place.” “And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said: ‘Would I had died ere this, and had been a thing forgotten’.”_ _“Then (a voice) called out unto her from beneath her: ‘Grieve not! Verily your Lord has made a stream to flow beneath you’.” “And shake the trunk of the palm-tree towards yourself. It will drop on you fresh ripe dates.” “So eat and drink and refresh your eye; and if you meet any mortal, say: ‘Verily I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent (God), so never shall I speak today with any human being’.”_ _"Then she brought the child to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘Verily you have done a very indecent thing’.” “O sister of Aaron! Your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman.”_ _“Then Mary pointed to him. They said: ‘How shall we speak to one who is (yet) a child in the cradle?’” “He (miraculously) said: ‘Verily I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet’.”_ _"And He has made me blessed wherever I may be and He has enjoined on me prayer and almsgiving so long as I live.”_ _“And (He has made me) kind to my mother, and He has not made me arrogant unblessed.”_ _"And peace be on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive.”_ _"This is Jesus, son of Mary, a statement of truth, concerning which they doubt.”_ _"It is not befitting to Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He only says unto it: ‘Be’, and it is.”_ Holy Qur'an - Surah Maryam (Chapter Mary) 19 : ayat 16 to 34.

[@jimlogan9883]

@@Model3GenerativeANdroid Gosh, all that sounds utterly ridiculous. You quote this but don't actually believe the fable, do you?

[@RevRedneck]

My qustion is this: His theory is that the text was changed. Could it have been the copyist who produced the variant?

[@jeannesamuels1236]

The Jerusalem Bible clearly states "sons of God"

[@younescontemplates2845]

Has biblical text been well preserved???? Or has it changed over time?? kzbin.info/www/bejne/iobInGOXjcl3g6s kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHiagWSZqsmpe6c

[@mrodriguez6449]

The Jerusalem Bible also leaves out Acts 8:37, which is a major doctrinal scripture, and we know how God feels about adding to or taking away scriptures. I remember thinking the KJV was evil. When I became born again and that was one of the first things I knew I needed to know is, which Bible is the correct Bible. Having never before believed it really mattered I had no idea how much absolute truth matters! When God led me in the direction of researching it, I would stake my life on the 1611 AV KJV. Those words I spoke a couple years previous that the KJV was evil came up into my memory and grieved me to my core. I wept and asked God to forgive me and I am so thankful that I can hold the words of God, and have full assurance that I have the absolute truth and confidence in my Lord who preserved all of his words according to his promise. All who put their trust in it will not be let down.

[@carolinemcgreal2382]

Thanks for sharing.

[@journeyintothebible]

Notice how these Christian "Dr.s" never tell you the context of these passages.

[@123tominator007]

may be true but it's also true that in some cases changing or misinterpreting just ONE word can change the whole context of a paragraph

[@katiekidman9933]

Wow - Thank you... I learn more every minute - That's why I keep reading and listening - False teachings are pure deceits...

[@katiekidman9933]

The path of sorrow and that path alone leads to the land where sorrow is unknown; No Soul will ever reach that above who finds not thorns and briers on their road.

[@wardkni1129]

@spenceink1 Your link is just a frustrated man who tries to dissemble every point of Dr.Michael clenching on what he learned in church without having any doubt about it or questioning it, presented in a childish manner

[@ritadon5671]

Thankyou for sharing Very interesting

[@MR-rk4xj]

Deuteronomy 32 references Genesis before Jacob's time, but I believe the meaning is correct as the Lord was able to foreknow what was to come. The masoretic text says Israel, and older copies of text are not necessarily more accurate. They can be older corrupt versions. Deuteronomy 32 can be understood by knowing Jacob had already existed by then, and showing the foreknowledge of God. This same song of Moses will be sung by overcomers in Rev 15:3, and will carry meaning to the hour of temptation. The flow of context, and meaning is found in the next verse..... vs 9 7Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee. 8When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9For the LORD'S portion [is] his people; Jacob [is] the lot of his inheritance. Deut 32 KJV

[@redfaux74]

I really don't like it when people "cherry pick" which version is bad in this verse, but not in that verse. The ESV wasn't anywhere to be found until 2001. My ESV says it comes from the ASV, not the original languages. Most of the higher criticism stinks to me. I'll stick with my KJV. It has been here since 1611 and founded our nation practically. Lives were shed printing its pages. We fought nations to get it in our language. Blood was spilled getting out in our hands. No other version can say that.

[@lepterfirefall]

Who are the sons of God he is talking about in the context of the passage? Deuteronomy 32:7-10,49,51-52 [7]"Remember the days of old, Consider the years of all generations. Ask your father, and he will inform you, Your elders, and they will tell you. [8]"When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. [9]"For the Lord's portion is His people; Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance. [10]"He found him in a desert land, And in the howling waste of a wilderness; He encircled him, He cared for him, He guarded him as the pupil of His eye. [49]"Go up to this mountain of the Abarim, Mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab opposite Jericho, and look at the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the sons of Israel for a possession. [51]because you broke faith with Me in the midst of the sons of Israel at the waters of Meribah-kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin, because you did not treat Me as holy in the midst of the sons of Israel. [52]For you shall see the land at a distance, but you shall not go there, into the land which I am giving the sons of Israel." The context is obviously Israel so it's not such a reach that the text writers stated that.

[@theautoman22]

Here’s something to consider Israel means right god or maybe righteousness El , so maybe the most high was giving the nation to the sons of El. El had 70 Elohim we can see this number play out with Gideon who had 70 sons as well as others, copying the idea of El had 70 sons.

[@joepublic5469]

The name of God is NOT El or any variation of.

[@albabialdayaqi5885]

LXX has the DSS reading, awesome! I'm Orthodox and we still use the LXX.

[@supr4rce]

When Deuteronomy 32:8 refers to the “children of Israel”, it’s not referring to the land of Israel, it’s referring to the descendants of Jacob who was later surnamed named Israel after the Most High God of ISRAEL. Isaiah 45:4 KJV [4] For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. Whether scripture says children of Israel or “sons of God” it still refers to the children of the twelve patriarchs of Jacob/Israel. Then in the New Testament even Christ tells the Pharisees that they are gods according to the law. John 10:33-34 KJV [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Psalm 82:6 KJV [6] I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. The children of Israel are literally gods in a dead state!

[@agengsatya96]

so jesus is not god according to john 10:30-36?

[@supr4rce]

@@agengsatya96 Firstly, nobody by the name “Jesus” ever existed and he wasn’t a European. You can try and debate this but there’s no way around denying that the identity of the true Christ is not that of a white man or Arab-he and the Hebrew people are a race of black people and our identity has purposely been hidden by the institution the world calls “religion”. If you want to believe that Yeshua/Yehoshua transliterates Iesous/Iesus/Jesus/saviour then go ahead, but there’s no history of this individual any where in secular history so your religion only explains a very sketchy understanding of how a non-existent Gentile idol has a transliterated Latin name. Europeans are the ethnic nations of Japheth known as the Gentiles (Genesis 10:2-5 KJV). Japheth Also Diphath. Literal meanings are opened, enlarged, fair or light (father of the Caucasoid/Indo-Europoid, Indo-European, Indo-Germanic, or Indo-Aryan races - Japhethites). Japheth is the progenitor of seven sons: (See Genesis 10:2-5 KJV) False name + false image = false Christ So no; he’s not the Most High God of Israel YHWH he’s Gentile idol created by the Hellenistic Romans used to psychologically (spiritually) deceive the world. Christ is OF God (Upper case G) not the Most High God of Israel. The word “God” has a double meaning: a) the Most High God of Israel YHWH, the Father of Creation b) the hosts of heaven or Elohim (im in Hebrew makes a word plural) Christ is the Son of the hosts of heaven (God). This is why Genesis 1:26 KJV says; God (plural) said, Let “us” (plural) make man in “our” (plural) image! It’s ridiculous to ignore simple words such as “son” and “begotten” to assume Christ is the Most High God of Israel YHWH the Father and sent himself to earth as a son while claiming to do his own works and die for the sins of the world to end up sitting on the right hand of himself as the High Priest of Israel Son of God and the Most High God the Father YHWH. He never proclaims himself to be the Father and Creator, but he does claim to have been there when the world was created. John 17:5 KJV [5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 1:1 KJV [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. PARAPHRASE; In the beginning was Christ, and Christ was with the most high God of Israel YHWH, and Christ was the host of heaven. Revelation 1:8 KJV [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. PARAPHRASE; “I am Aleph and Tav....” PALEO HEBREW ALEPH (SHEEP/LAMB HEAD, LEADER) images.app.goo.gl/HxGGCA2Pw65TyPDJA TAV (CROSS) images.app.goo.gl/FGHRFrm2grPVsWTEA The “lamb” to be sacrificed on the “cross”! John 10:30 KJV [30] I and my Father are one. This is a way of saying; there’s no “i” in team, “all for one and one for all”, I am the seed of my Father, I am in accordance with the hosts of heaven. Christ is a god (lowercase g) and so are the children of Israel. There are gods living among us and Christianity is deceiving billions and defiling the children of God whom are the temple of God but making them worship a false God and false Christ. John 10:34 KJV [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Psalm 82:6 KJV [6] I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 KJV [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. With all this being said, you’re in a religion of a false God. Exodus 20:3 KJV [3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me. You’re worshipping a Gentile idol that emulates the Hebrews as Gentiles and created the wealthy worldwide church system that perpetuates European colonialism and imperialism. Galatians 5:19-20 KJV [19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, em·u·la·tion /ˌemyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun effort to match or surpass a person or achievement, typically by imitation. Deuteronomy 6:14 KJV [14] Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; Deuteronomy 13:7 KJV [7] Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Jeremiah 16:19-20 KJV [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. [20] Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

[@supr4rce]

@Baruk haba baShem YAHUAH, His Anciency. Genesis 10:2 KJV [2] The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/hitchcocks-bible-names/javan.html Javan [N] [E] [S] deceiver; one who makes sad Hitchcock's Dictionary of Bible Names. Public Domain. Copy freely. [N] indicates this entry was also found in Nave's Topical Bible [E] indicates this entry was also found in Easton's Bible Dictionary [S] indicates this entry was also found in Smith's Bible Dictionary Deceiver = Devil Javan (sons were Elisha, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim) - also Jevanim, Iewanim, Iawan, Iawon, Iamanu, Iones, Ionians, Ellas, Ellines, El-li-ness, Hellas, 👉Hellenes👈, Yavan, Yavanas, Yawan, Yuban, Yauna, Uinivu, Xuthus (Grecians, Greeks, Elysians, Spartans, Dorians, Britons5, Aeolians, Achaeans, Myceneans, Macedonians, Carthaginians, Cyprians, Cretans, Basques, Latins, Venetians, Sicanians, Italics, 👉Romans6👈, Valentians, Sicilians, Italians, Spaniards, Portugese, other related groups); Christ was a dark skin black man-unless you believe the accounts of a devil over what’s written in scripture? 1 Corinthians 15:47-49 KJV [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. earth·y /ˈərTHē/ adjective resembling or suggestive of earth or soil. soil1 /soil/ noun the upper layer of earth in which plants grow, a black or dark brown material typically consisting of a mixture of organic remains, clay, and rock particles. SOIL images.app.goo.gl/BGnvN9vvQYxHkeCD7

[@supr4rce]

@Baruk haba baShem YAHUAH, His Anciency. So you’re calling the Bible false and you’re going to lean on the accounts of the governor of the Roman Judaea Empire who ordered the execution of Christ and upheld civil Imperialist law AGAINST black people?!?!? Why don’t you fetch me your bogus evidence based on the account of governor Pontius Pilate because I’m not going to waste my time researching a unilateral account found nowhere in the Bible.

[@supr4rce]

@Baruk haba baShem YAHUAH, His Anciency. Let me re-phrase what I’m saying to you because I feel there’s a breakdown in communication. I do not care about your Pontius Pilate history lesson! You’re either purposely trying to be difficult or you’re a willfully ignorant uneducated person who doesn’t know the difference between religious dogma and factual scientific evidence that also matches scripture. I showed you scripture describing Adam and Christ as being similar in their EARTHY (not EARTHLY) IMAGE as the Jews. Paul was writing to the church in Corinth letting them know that they bear the image of the first and oldest people of the earth (dark skin black people), and you still want to insist there’s no description of Christ’s skin complexion in the Bible?!? Religion is whitewashed deceptions of what’s actually written in scripture! 1 Corinthians 15:47-49 KJV [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. earth·y /ˈərTHē/ adjective resembling or suggestive of earth or soil. im·age /ˈimij/ noun 1. a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. borne /bôrn/ verb past participle of bear1. adjective carried or transported by the thing specified. bear1 /ber/ 3. have or display as a visible mark or feature. Pontius Pilate is not considered a reliable source of history nor was he a historian-even some of the historical accounts of Flavius Josephus aren’t considered reliable. But you want me to go find YOUR ridiculous source of Pontius Pilate’s account of a light skin, light haired Christ that contradicts the Hebraic, dark skin, Afroasiatic Christ that looked like Adam? If you can’t even show it to me then why would I bother to look it up? Adamah (Biblical Hebrew : אדמה) is a word, translatable as ground or earth, which occurs in the Biblical account of Creation of the Book of Genesis.[1] According to the creation myth[1] of the Abrahamic religions, he was the first man. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam In human genetics, the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (Y-MRCA, informally known as Y-chromosomal Adam) is the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all currently living males are descended patrilineally. The term Y-MRCA reflects the fact that the Y chromosomes of all currently living human males are directly derived from the Y chromosome of this remote ancestor. The analogous concept of the matrilineal most recent common ancestor is known as "Mitochondrial Eve" (mt-MRCA, named for the matrilineal transmission of mtDNA), the most recent woman from whom all living humans are descended matrilineally. Y-chromosomal Adam lived at a time very close to, and possibly after, the migration from Africa which is believed to have taken place 50,000-80,000 years ago. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all living humans. In other words, she is defined as the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers and through the mothers of those mothers, back until all lines converge on one woman. Possible time of origin c. 100-230 kya[note 1][note 2] Possible place of origin East Africa Ancestor n/a Descendants Mitochondrial macro-haplogroups L0, L1, and L5 In terms of mitochondrial haplogroups, the mt-MRCA is situated at the divergence of macro-haplogroup L into L0 and L1-6. As of 2013, estimates on the age of this split ranged at around 150,000 years ago,[note 3] consistent with a date later than the speciation of Homo sapiens but earlier than the recent out-of-Africa dispersal.[4][1][5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro-haplogroup_L_(mtDNA) it represents the most ancestral mitochondrial lineage of all currently living modern humans, also dubbed "Mitochondrial Eve". Time of origin 230 to 150 kya[1][2] Place of origin Eastern Africa[3] Descendants L0, L1-6 So just like the genome project already concluded and the book of Genesis creation story explained; the first and original humans of the earth were unmistakably BLACK like the earth! Christ is compared to having the IMAGE of Adam thus meaning Christ was a dark skin Afroasiatic black man! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-textured_hair Afro-textured hair, or kinky hair is the natural hair texture of certain populations in Africa and the African diaspora. Despite its name, this hair texture is also found in some parts of Oceania and Southeast Asia. Each strand of this hair type grows in a tiny, angle-like helix shape. The overall effect is such that, compared to straight, wavy or curly hair,[1] afro-textured hair appears denser. English adjectives such as 👉"woolly"👈, "kinky", "nappy", or "spiralled" have been used [year needed] to describe natural afro-textured hair. Daniel 7:9 KJV [9] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure 👉wool👈: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. And to end your delusional attempt to whiten Christ; the Middle East was originally described as Ethiopia in the book of Genesis and archeology, denoting that it was completely inhabited by black people from the beginning of humanity. Genesis 2:13 KJV [13] And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. www.etymonline.com/word/ethiop Ethiop (n.) late 14c., from Latin Æthiops "Ethiopian, negro," from Greek Aithiops, long supposed in popular etymology to be from aithein "to burn" + ōps "face" (compare aithops "fiery-looking," later "sunburned"). www.google.ca/amp/s/warlockasyluminternationalnews.com/2009/12/09/the-identity-of-the-sumerians-as-seen-in-ancient-art/amp/ Sir Henry Rawlinson concluded from this and other evidence that the first civilized inhabitants of Sumer and Akkad were immigrants from the African Ethiopia. John D. Baldwin, the American Orientalist, on the other hand, claims that since ancient Arabia was also known as Ethiopia, they could have just as well come from that country. So what you should truly understand is; I don’t deal with secondary sources that do not line up with scientific evidence, scripture and common sense-all of which religious culture is void of. The Hellenistic Romans, whom were one of the ethnic Gentile nations, were notorious liars and the biblical Hebrews recorded them as such. Jeremiah 16:19-20 KJV [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. [20] Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods? Don’t ask me to look-up your so-called Pilate source because I don’t waste my time with whitewashing black history.

[@anadegradzikiewicz6870]

Fascinating, is it possible to se the whole teaching?

[@shrodingerschat2258]

I'm not sure I buy his argument. The reality is that we don't have ANY of the original texts. All the manuscripts we have are copies, even the DSS. The fallacy here that he is using, as do all proponents of textual criticism, is that because the source is older means it is the more accurate one. That is not a rational assumption. How do we KNOW that the DSS is more accurate than Masoretic? We really don't know. Frankly, given the context of Deut 32:8-9 "sons of Israel" could be a valid translation particularly if a future context was in scope. Keep in mind, Hebrew language does not use "tense" per se. Also, the subordinate clause in verse 9 seems to suggest that indeed future Israel is in scope. This would be consistent with Hebraic literary style of parallel lines of thought.

[@christian11111]

@Ree Bee do a study on what? Based on the original comment it appears that person did do studying on the topic they were referring to. Either way I agree with the core of the original comment, we have to be careful just assuming that something is right because it is older. For example the majority of our modern day translations is based off a different (different from the masoretic text) yet older version of the Bible. The NIV for example was based on the Alexandrian bible, which was altered by alexandrian Christians who had become cult like, removing verses and changing words to fit their belief system. Although it was a older document than the mesoretic text it was not a good work to base a translation on. That is why most Bibles today are not as reliable as the KJV, they are primarily based on the altered work of the alexandrians. I think Heiser makes a good argument for it to be Sons of God, but I can also see the other side of the argument. Either way just because it is older doesn’t necessarily make it more credible or more correct.

[@philipatoz]

No, "just because it is older doesn’t necessarily make it more credible or more correct." However, in general - and not necessarily in this case - it IS more LIKELY to be more accurate, because older simply places a copy closer in time to the original.

[@christian11111]

@@philipatoz I most definitely agree, but I was making the point that simply stating something is older doesn’t make it more reliable, hence the example I used of the alexandrian Bible. I understand there is credence for older documents and personally I believe the Septuagint is more reliable than the mesoretic. In this case I believe sons of God to be the correct words here, but that doesn’t change my point that simply older does not mean correct, which is mostly what Heiser put forward in this short video. Perhaps the full lecture would have more detail and portray his argument better, but from this short clip alone I would agree with the original comment that it’s not the best argument. But I would still agree with Heiser that it should be sons of God (angels).

[@benjamintscholl]

@@philipatoz Yes, and because the Septuagint certainly reveals how the majority of Israelites some 200 B.C. saw the text. The Septuagint goes uncontested throughout the time it is written to the early church.

[@jorgeabatocab]

Can't say precisely what it is ... but there's something wrong with this video and other videos of Heiser SPECIALLY the one about "the divine council" ... Where's the most important part of both The Old and New Testament?, The Sacrifice of our Lord, our Savior, our God Jesus Christ for the redemption of sins? A Scholar can search on and on and on inside the Holy Scriptures, sometimes very interesting when the context is in accordance with the most accurate translation of The Holy Word of God we have, The King James Version, but ... again ... can't say what it is, but something is not right with what Heiser says here and in many other videos, not judging, just expressing a sincere and heartfelt concern, God bless.

[@mariusbothma5863]

Where can I see the whole lectures, not just 6 min pieces???

[@DRMSH]

This is part of the Unseen Realm 101 lecture series, from the Awakening School of Theology. awakeningschooloftheology.com There are also other videos on the topic in youtube

[@mariusbothma5863]

@@DRMSH thank you very much , I find your interpretation and approach of the Word highly insightful , for a long time I was looking for someone that also saw the ‘thread’ by including all text ( including pre-flood text). Very difficult to do here in South Africa. Thank you so much for replying 🙂 Good luck with explaining and spreading the wonderful WORD and PLAN of our Father Lord and Saviour! Marius

[@kathygrant39]

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The first mention of "sons of God" in the Hebrew Bible occurs at Genesis 6:1-4 "Sons of God" are angels. According to the number of ANGELS he divided them; the number of angels were divided to watch over each of the 70 nations. IMHO

[@nathanielcheyenne2942]

Conveniently they were also bound for 70 generations. Oh, and wouldn't you know, according to Daniel, we are currently in the 70th generation. 🤔 Food for Faith.

[@Detoxingforlife]

@@nathanielcheyenne2942 wow

[@lennyjohnson5976]

@@nathanielcheyenne2942 guess what ? My son was taken illegally, but pretty sure he is a giant , by his size currently & the Dr prediction of over 10 ft if he continues to grow at his rate currently, I have a picture of him at 11mrhs old sitting & his new big brother (5 yrs) is standing directly in front of him & my son s head is completely in sight & his width (shoulders) u could clearly see on both sides despite being directly behind his brother ,, the CPS workers son , who adopted him

[@martingoodef811]

@@lennyjohnson5976 what?

[@rjabraham]

@Kathy Grant There appears to not be an understanding of what elohim are in general & that they do not have the same role or function in God's divine council.

[@1Ggirl1959]

The karites\masorites did many changes to confuse the seekers of truth.

[@homerdada5533]

oh....divided to the number of sons of God = 70 (powerful angels or territorial spirits) like archangel chief prince michael for israel, another the "prince of persia" that prevented for 21 days the response to daniel's prayers

[@joannmarie1971]

Thank you. I am seeking truth and it is confusing out here so everything helps.

[@Garrettisonfire]

Most English versions of bible were translated from the masoretic text which was written more recently. The Greek septuagint was translated from an earlier Hebrew text.

[@drrydog]

It's two completely diff translations, I agree. the whole biblical circus show only knows how to wing it. after all science smashed everything they believe in centuries ago... lmao

[@dry509]

So Dr Heiser does this mean that the writers of the Dead Sea scrolls were polytheistic? And that Yahweh was or is one of the Gods?

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

And then he didn’t explain why that was important. God says all become adopted into the tree so all believers in Messiah are Israel anyway. Thus, sons of God and sons of Israel are one in the same.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Reflexiones De La Biblia, the “sons of God” in this text refers to angelic beings. And by the way, claims that the church is “spiritual Israel” was enforced by the Catholic church to make people think the Millennium kingdom is now, and they’re managing it for Jesus so he’s never really going to sit on David’s throne and fulfill all his promises. But they’re wrong, and the Lord will destroy apostate churches when he returns.

[@reflexionesdelabiblia6711]

@@biblehistoryscience3530 Right I know the sons of God are angels. And yes, the churches will be found out. I have had dreams about the churches. But remember that many will come to know their Lord and Savior in the end also.

[@mariahbrown5117]

I need a follow up video to why reading this first correctly matters and what interpretations can come out of that