WHAT THE **** HAPPENED TO MMOs!? | Asmongold Reacts

Every MMO is DEAD (deceased, expired, departed, GONE, no more.. passed away.. perished.. fallen.. slain.. KILLED)
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[@TheTwofatgamers]

All new mmos are designed on how much money the company can make at the expense of a good game and their shit, all the old mmo's were built to be good games and then they made loads of money

[@Phlavorhouse]

I wish more of these studios would just team up and make a few really good mmos instead of 30-40 doodoo titles

[@h13n12]

i wish all game company in the world team up and develop a vr full immersion game like ready player one/sao/free guy

[@Tarvo27]

It just sucks that every single one of them think they know what players want, and they might be partially right, but there's something that's shit about the game and nobody ends up playing it. They would never be able to agree with eachother. I do wish it could happen though.

[@MrToastyTank]

So True I agree seems like a lot of them that have come out in the past 8years or so have been half cooked

[@keithb6344]

They would all have to agree on stuff, which would take forever. Different opinions and personalities.The larger the company the higher the cost to produce. Lots of reasons.

[@Phlavorhouse]

@@keithb6344 still doesn’t change my statement.

[@monalisa-bs4zs]

Its actually all of gaming. Companies evolved and perfected monetization/addictive properties etc. games now days are systematic money making entertainment products, the quality of artistic expression has moved lower on the priorities.

[@bottledwater4484]

Yep. I've had more fun playing indie games over the past 5 years.

[@ulfg4692]

The best videogames are those that when you're going to sleep after playing the whole day, you're thinking about getting up and play more of.

[@ardentdfender4116]

Very much so. You can’t wait to play after waking up from a really good sleep which your in need of and be back to it.

[@beyondthelol]

guildwars2 got me feeling like that atm lol

[@acev3521]

FF14 moment

[@AndrewJnsn]

Microtransactions and battlepasses The end

[@kevwallace6628]

Its sad

[@joshholmes1372]

And live service games. So they design games to be subpar at launch so they can string you along for when they drop improvements in dlc or content that should have launched with the game. Or inconvenient mechanics you need the battlepass to play the way it should just be. All manipulative trash.

[@HallyVee]

Meh, not the complete answer. Some of us never interact with either and still despite these games.

[@sacreddarkness1150]

"aLl gAmEs wIlL bE oNlIne oNly, jUst aCcEpt!" I guess if you keep repeating it over and over in your head, then it might come true.

[@kingkarlito]

that seems to be his mantra for just about everything nowadays.

[@unsane21games53]

We dont have time to play MMOs anymore. NGL, its not the boomer times anymore, we have to work more than 8 hours a day just survive.. Students have to study just to get good grades or fail and they are bombarded with school stuffs when not even in school I used to play mmos before but I dont have time for that.

[@skaels]

"I'm not going to play a game for the visuals" Then why trash Pantheon before you even give it a shot? Just because it looks bad

[@AndersonCostakin]

I recently went back to FFXIV, after 6 years without playing it and I just can't stop now, it's just so good.

[@SandwichCrab]

More games come out every year, yet I feel less and less compelled to play any of them.

[@jpteknoman]

That Throne and Liberty comment at the start shows how well Asmongold knows how to do business. Minimal effort for max profit

[@wickian9571]

That's what MMO's are these days. They want mobile game profits but insist on keeping console/pc game pricing, gameplay and fees. Almost every mmo in the last 10 years could have removed leveling entirely and they would have been better for it because they weren't built with a fun journey in mind, they were built to promote the cash shop.

[@RedrickURL]

it’s just plainly obvious

[@hellboy30098]

I'll tell you what has happened, EVERY (big) GAME follows the MMO live service model. it's exhausting when everyone and their mother has a 10+ year rollout and 98% of the time, it gets scrapped.

[@kylejefferies7334]

Play FFXIV then, it's first 10 years have gone great.

[@hellboy30098]

@@kylejefferies7334 I am, taking a break from it for awhile

[@Tuilelen]

There is already an LotR mmo that is ridiculously faithful to the lore, with beautiful design and music, and that's LotRO. Still going strong, all these years later, and so accurate to the world that even the small fetch quests were clearly carefully crafted, down to which hobbit in the lore is actually related to which other. I can only imagine how hilarious shitty Amazon's mmo will be, if Rings of Power is any indication of quality lmao

[@Dildobagginses]

Well that's all in the back of the book

[@jeffrington4036]

Congrats on 2m asmon well deserved !

[@evanhughes9899]

NOMYGAWD! HE DID IT!

[@EricKing]

No MMO will ever hit the same as the one you fell in love with as a young teen

[@KryoTronic]

Looking at you Star Wars Galaxies

[@joshholmes1372]

That's because we are actually chasing the feeling of being at that age again, rather than the nostalgia of the actual game.

[@tomoliver2961]

@@joshholmes1372ouldn’t agree more. You can only love a game like that, in a time of your life when you can commit like you once did.

[@LunarisRuin]

@@KryoTronic Looking at you Dark Age of Camelot!

[@BG-vg5jd]

Ragnarok Online

[@zackbryans4982]

I remember people talked about playstation exclusives growing up but i always had an xbox so I never played them. A few years ago I decided to pick up a PS4 and work my way through all the PS classics. Some of the best gaming I've had as an adult.

[@tthompson5707]

You also may not have appreciated them as much as you do now then when you were younger.

[@YoutubeCommentor1]

Sorta had a similar deal. grew up as a mainly xbox and pc guy once the 2000s happened. mostly xbox and 360 til 2011 when I finally got my own pc built. Went back in the last few years to emulate a lot of games I missed out on. It just made me more sad that modern games are garbage. MMOs especially have gotten worse over time, not specifically the big ones but like all the ones that have shut down over the years.

[@TofuCate]

what are some of your favourites?

[@vwyd]

I'm starting to think that MMOs were never been that good to begin with, looking back at the year WoW came out for example, there's all kinds of experimental games with insane gameplay that's somehow successful and then there's WoW with it's honest to god gameplay. I think a HUGE part of the love for MMOs came from a novelty of when it was released, could be your first MMO, could be the best looking/most polished MMO you've seen, or could simply be the first MMO you ever play with your friend. So now that all the novelty wears off, we are starting to see MMOs as a Video Games, the players are unsatisfied, and the devs are confused, trying to find and make a good Video Game out of an MMO, which it never really was to begin with. So if an MMO wants to reach the high that it was, they either have to somehow get the novelties, or... since we're in the modern era now with presumably better internet, they could just make an actually good video game now with the quality of a traditional video games, stop being cheap.

[@ronanwaring3408]

Lotr will depend on if it's mostly lore accurate or tv series based, if it's 90% based on the books and the other 10% just something to make it fun it has no reason to fail.

[@LordVader1094]

But we already have that with LotRO

[@ronanwaring3408]

@@LordVader1094 But it's really old it could do with a remake to be honest, hopefully the amazon one will provide that

[@jackbower9087]

If it's TV based with black elves and other swaps it's DOA

[@zekulir6419]

It will depend on gameplay.

[@nviwraith5271]

Archeage alpha was the most fun MMO I have ever played, even more than my first days in WoW. Then it launched...in real time you could see it die almost instantly. Was insane to see such an amazing game been stuffed with insane p2w on launch when you got to play it in its purest form.

[@Ronbotnik]

agreed, archeage was probably the last MMO that ever got its hooks in me and feels like its the last that ever will. The pvp, the griefing, the housing, the community, it was so all good but died hard and fast. we just cant seem to get that perfect blend of good game + publisher that will let the game thrive

[@SwitchTalkChannel]

If a game has P2W, it's a bad, broken game. This is why old games are better. P2W didn't really exist in any major way until 2009, more so, 2012-2014. It's pointless saying that the core of the game is good, if it's actually unplayable and has no progression or value due to P2W and is filled with whales and addicts pouring endless dollars into it. This is often via loot box mechanics, which are pretty much illegal in my country. That tells you something...

[@moisesotano2835]

I think the problem with all of these games are that the "End Game" just comes way too quick..

[@joshholmes1372]

It's because they can launch unfinished products with intention to sell dlc. Before, games had to launch complete. Outside of expansions, which were generally almost enough content to be it's own game.

[@kylejefferies7334]

​@@joshholmes1372I would recommend FFXIV then if you want an MMO, no premium currency, no battle pass(Sorta, PVP has seasons bit its not an extra payment you have to pay), play at your own pace and great story and side stories.

[@Sleepgarden]

Force and Asmon are so in sync they specifically used the number 17 for menu popups

[@CrimsonTide001]

Lack of community. It's as simple as that. MMOs, in attempting to cater to every whim of the impulsive gamer, sacrifice longevity and community for short term gains.

[@prpunk787]

I'll never forget playing DayZ for the first time. The sense that you could get killed by someone and lose all your character progress was insane, truly nerve-wracking.

[@wingthomaux]

Even as a kid I wasn’t hooked on the same game. I always played with my friends, jumping from mmo to mmo, never really getting into the endgame or joining guilds. So for me nothing really changed. When I get into a new game, I play it everyday over some weeks and then loose interest and move on or stop gaming for a while. The only type of games that keep me playing ”forever“ are competitive online games like League or Fifa. I mean sooner or later with every game you end up in some kind of gameplay loop and for mmos it’s just not that challenging or interesting to fight the same mobs over and over again

[@christophernixon7926]

True bro maybe you got adhd like me 😂

[@HallyVee]

Interesting perspective, I'm the exact opposite. I rarely get new games and still play them decades (plural) later, frequently savoring the memories of having done them before. Thankfully the genre has broadened.

[@Theblackvortex75]

I still need to get. Into ff14 so I've got time / alot of mmos to choose from i feel that massive backlog feeling

[@baseballmichaeljordanmcdonalds]

New World was honestly very good. I just couldn't get over the fact that there wasn't a class system and very few abilities.

[@orblite1]

the amazon lotr mmo. bunch of players following Galadriel being told how much they suck and haven't seen what shes seen. followed by her causing every foreseeable problem and then telling the players that they are at fault

[@dezmodium]

Finally a game to satisfy my fetish.

[@kajoak1986]

Even though I love mmorpgs. The best games to play are the ones where you sit down, play the game, enjoy it from the moment it starts until it ends. Metal Gear Solid series, Final Fantasy games, Soulslike games, God of War.. Not 1,000 hours of grind, no RNG in the middle, just enough time to make me want to re-play every once in a while and be certain that I'll buy the next game of the series.

[@queenbean7071]

Ff14s main story tho arguably has alot of pretty bad/ grindy quests The rest of the game is great though

[@mp9810]

I used to just go from MMO to MMO. My fav genre. Haven't played one in years now... not sure why. Just haven't heard of anything that grabbed my attention.

[@Adrian_Franco]

I used to wonder if my hate for most modern game was partly due to being jaded because I played so many games. Then I played Baldur's Gate 1 + 2 a few years ago for the first time and after 1k+ hours it's in my list of best games of all time. Imagine an old ass RPG having more depth, immersion, and better gameplay...Pretty much confirmed games these days blow for the most part and there isn't anything wrong with me.

[@rokogrga43]

I just don't see any of these MMos being better than GW2 and WOW

[@mirek1878]

If anyone here wants to really get into MMOs again and looks for something new but still very familiar and fun, play GW2! It's the most fun in MMOs I had in a while. I am sick of Battle-Passes, P2W or boring and stale content. Gw2 has nothing of that and on top of that a frckn huuuge world, where you really feel included, 9 classes with each of them being able to be anything you want and a community with the most friendly people I have ever met..... we ignore the PvP players XD

[@JackDemonXD]

I did not expect Hytale to be on the MMO list, that surprised me a lot since I never saw it as an MMO but more like a SP/Co-op rpg like thing

[@HallyVee]

Definitions mean nothing now. People call Elite Dangerous and Diablo an RPG.

[@kchris205]

I got really into a private FF11 server. It's basically the only MMO that has made the MM part make sense to me. It's also VERY slow and probably not for everyone, but it's basically exactly what I've been looking for.

[@BreakBarrier]

What server are you playing on? I played Eden about a year ago and couldn't fully get into it

[@kchris205]

@@BreakBarrier I've been on Horizon. They're not limiting themselves to just being Era accurate and plan to retune later expansions to 75 cap.

[@ExpectedlyUnexpected]

I’m looking forward to Baulders Gate 3 on Aug 3rd. Not the same pace as some of the others, but amazing detail and options. Hooked on Divinity Original Sin 2 since hitting lv 100 in Diablo 3.

[@raphg6319]

we know that u are into zoophilia

[@mass-cp6jf]

that game has been out for like 3 years already wtf

[@ExpectedlyUnexpected]

@@mass-cp6jf the first act has been available for pre-access, the whole game releases on the 3rd, after years of community feedback and improvements.

[@id1550]

Level 100 in Diablo 3?!

[@nintendawgs7388]

Wish it was Baulders Gate DARK ALLIANCE 3! That Co op was 🔥🔥🔥

[@Burds1979]

people happened. People now want instant gratification.

[@Shadowshael]

That monologue starting at 24:00 hit a little too close to home.

[@kingkarlito]

blatant attempt at rap god praise

[@xblackxabyssx1983]

its no longer a niche hobby so the quality has tanked in the search for mass appeal rather then a dedicated customer base

[@xamonttofficial]

I paid 70 bucks for Diablo 4 and regret it

[@zenixvampirchik652]

Well... Only Wow and FF XIV (a few years back) hit me more or less the same, that I was literally playing them every day and wasted almost all of my free time on them, despite having quite a busy schedule

[@silversurfer8818]

I haven't been excited for any MMO since vanilla WoW - they are all the same, with such small variation that nothing ever feels new or fresh.

[@mohamedel-gazzar5818]

Dude I have been playing guild wars 2 and honestly it's kinda good. I mean like really good.

[@guyy6800]

The gaming community has done more damage to gaming than the gaming industry. Addons, mods, KZbin content, wiki pages, build websites. How can you have an adventure when you have nothing to discover on launch?

[@uzbekistanplaystaion4BIOScrek]

very potato opinion

[@HallyVee]

By not looking it up.

[@archicases3352]

Lost Ark gameplay with FF14 story and systems(no need for alts, just jobs) would be the goated MMo.

[@thirsty3719]

laughs in old school runescape

[@MrPistashios]

Best one out right now if it's your cuppa tea

[@MrPistashios]

​@@Hey1234Heyhard agree on that

[@whenisdinner2137]

One of the reasons I'm such a big fan of Rockstar and Bethesda is that literally nobody can make games like them. Nobody else has the balls to develop a game for a decade and let you do damn near everything like they can.

[@Suddsy11037]

Valve?

[@whenisdinner2137]

@Suddsy11037 Their games are extremely focused in scoping comparison. They are not "everything games"

[@wendysbrian1]

@23:48-24:40 .............Bro, seriously. This is honestly the best way I have ever and will ever see this point be made.

[@SleezyMeta]

I'll tell you what happened, KZbin happend. Now everyone Just runs the same copy and paste builds as everyone else. Which in return makes no class diversity or anything challenging so people are bored in a week.

[@Lucentile]

I just finished recording and playing Sword Coast Legends because my friends never actually played it after a multiplayer session or two back at release, and I was convinced "it's not as bad as we thought." Spoiler: It wasn't, but it was still average to below average, with a few surprising high points. But yeah, I don't mind playing bad games, so long as I can share the journey with my friends.

[@pudgy_buns]

bdlg and redbyrd quit their day jobs because they thought their New World news updates, and content on their studio loot website that has the New World database was going to take them to new heights, but the game kind of flopped after 6 months. Basically the day Lost Ark beta came out was when my New World guild completely fell apart after us being 100% involved in wars for the 6 months. Now when you got to studioloots website, it only links to redbyrd's youtube and I don't see BDLG on it. He might have stepped down? Who knows.

[@Ricmaniac]

really good point about the mindset part as well. but its like a vicious circle or w/e its called (not native english) theres always more negative videos on games that released because they seem to get more clicks. Same happening to D4 now. so many negative posts but looking at videos like what did diablo 4 do right? it was a really good launch and only getting better.

[@ggadams639]

MMOs are now cash grab, and cash grabs are not compatible with good games

[@ClickToPreview]

Keep in mind, free to play games in the 80's (especially on the Commodore 64) just meant you had the BEST copy software out there. It wasn't about backend monetization (that wasn't even a THING) because MULTIPLAYER wasn't a thing. Trailer park kids LIVED on the High Seas, sharing single player games amongst each other YEARS before the "internet" even existed. What a time to be alive!

[@egftw8991]

I like the cup cake analogy. But for me there needs to be a balance. It might taste good true but im not gonna eat it if it looks nasty either lol

[@Bogrin]

Still playing gw2 regularly!

[@brandonlewis3379]

I'll give y'all one and I'm an old gamer. 8 bit NES one game that my Nintendo Power Players guide helped greatly was Castlevania 2 Simon's Curse.

[@despain8726]

I’ve been playing games my entire life. As much as I want an old school mmo, I just wouldn’t have the time to play it like I use to.

[@Celthor]

I hate getting log in reward popups when I log in. It completely drives me away.

[@LORD-DHUUM]

i wish and pray for a chaotic mmo or something similar. chaotic the card game / tv show

[@theimmoralcookie6344]

I wish there were more MMOs like Albion Online and EvE Online. Player driven sandboxy MMOs are some of the best content I've ever experienced in games and its all due to the people playing them.

[@shinnister]

that and, death actually means something so u just dont respawn over and over again in pvp. losing / winning a skirmish actually have meaning and satisfying

[@iller3]

we were so close to having another one, but then Camelot Unchained had to rebuild itself, it's entire UI backbone, and then meet a new European legal compliance and it missed its only opportunity break out. It's probably in "development Hell" now

[@eldiablosmurf]

theres always ultima private servers or swg private servers

[@tahaelhour690]

kinda new to the mmo scene but i've been playing ff for a few days and that's been really fun

[@carolinemccall6748]

Wish there was aDragon Age mmo. Great lore and locations.

[@Torrenaxe]

Dont use gasoline when your car runs on gas

[@lgleonardogomes]

Every year we do to ourselves the same question.

[@olwynskye417]

Taking a break from ESO right now. Installing EverQuest 2, Ultima Online, Lord of the Rings Online (which I used to play some back when it launched) and FFXIV (even tho I've never really liked Final Fantasy games) to see if one of those would offer me entertainment for a few months. Need to save for a better computer before I can try New World and many others.

[@Belnick6666]

so many Ark Survival clones now days

[@okto4998]

I watched the video yesterday, so today I can watch Zach's reaction 😅

[@arcstrike6457]

EQ2 was my first MMO back in 2005. I was blown away. Was my favorite at the time. Never got into WoW. I miss those days. What was your 1st MMO?

[@ianmurray8925]

Ff11

[@arcstrike6457]

​@raevenent751 in EQ2, I didn't realize how massive the game was at the time, I left the first continent and discovered a whole new one for a new level tier.... it was amazing at the time.

[@asdilar]

Dofus was my first. It's a French MMO that was popular in Europe and Latin America, then WoW during Work and Cataclysm.

[@ass4sale2]

Am i the only one who doesnt watch streamers or do research to play a new game? I just picked up the new zelda game and im having a blast. Sure im 2 months late to the party but im having fun i havent seen any videos of it so im going in not spoiled.

[@ironbadger8985]

There will never be another Everquest.

[@EmeraldCavaliers]

It's not only that F2P game are more popular. The cost of life went up so badly that now people are more hesitant to pay 70$ for a game. You can't buy as many game as before with how much life cost now. We dont all make millions

[@Smockwal]

if a game die, it was not a game, it was a media entertainment.

[@SolantisA]

The fact that he put Hytale on the MMO list and afterward said that we can trust triple A games... Yeah... No.

[@jerstah]

What's wrong with hytale? And as far as trusting AAA games, we all know you can't.

[@BrntBiscuit]

Hytale and it’s under riot so nothing wrong with expecting it to succeed

[@SolantisA]

@@nathie1750 It's been in development hell for almost a decade now. By the time we can play that game, Star Citizen 2 probably will be released as well.

[@flvcko9324]

Mmos are done there ez

[@nightzeroshiki]

BDO for me, been playing for 6 month.. Always have things to have fun

[@craigsayshello8239]

Bro isn’t what it was when it first released, came back after 5 years, and I love my dragon Wiafu lol

[@raymundverallo1967]

My first MMO was MU online which nobody knows. I think it was the best experience for me as far as MMO goes. But it will no longer work in today's standards. Having said that, im hard coping on riot mmo

[@Kuhekin]

MU Online, Diablo 2, DotA 1 were super popular in my country before the League of Legends era took off

[@beyondthelol]

Mu private servers were the go in 2007 lol

[@jamescrook9600]

2million that's an achievement 👏 grats bald man

[@d.s.dathaniel7552]

FFXIV can last me a life time

[@mlemlemmlemmlem]

especially with the new expansion with the graphical update coming out

[@raphg6319]

garbage game

[@NickDirkst]

I still have stuff to do on ff but other games got my interest first, some mentioned in the video, and I can go back and enjoy whatever type of content whenever i want

[@EarJuice]

Asmongold can be hilarious sometimes. Too good.

[@ebenezerannan3813]

Congratulations on 2 mil subscribers 🎉🎉

[@JoyLDF]

Make MMOs great again

[@MrLurch133]

The wave of people flow For instance the empty plaza syndrome when new game released your game leaves you looking at empty town. Then you get boost on update.

[@tomek7677]

i dont mind monetanization in mmorpg's if just outfits

[@Keloot]

Yes you do even in outfits. Because if you actually didnt you would BE playing new world

[@id1550]

Doomer POV: 7:34

[@MGL83]

40 MMOs in development means nothing. How many will launch? And how many out of those will not be broken and half-unfinished?

[@njkf]

24:05 somebody gotta make another Rap God bars remix

[@oh.Em1ly]

Congrats on 2M subs!

[@EvLch3dd4r]

The thing about all of these complexities, about how you have to do X, Y, and Z to perform well, they can all be fixed with a helpful community. Play the game without addons, and someone notices you're new, and starts offering help.

[@meyatetana2973]

Or maybe stop punishing people for not going to min/maxing or nerfing things so much that everyone feels like they must min/max just to play their game. Unless that's the game design I guess, like Dark Souls but in a MMO I expect to play casually through the majority of the game, not have the game match my level to give me a challenge, i f I want a challenge I should have that option by visiting higher level areas or not and feeling overpowered in my casual basic build

[@ashm3453]

You should just play Minecraft or animal crossing or make a shai in bdo or something. Instead of trying to ruin games for everybody else.

[@user-ts4yd6he6k]

wake up honey new Asmon freestyle just dropped

[@SaudiMajix]

Having fun playing Guild Wars 2 everyday

[@Oatmeal-Savage]

I've played over 24 hours solid before.. games like DAoC, and UO.

[@aj64gamer74]

Yes we hit 2M 🎉🎉🎉

[@krulewjdrz1177]

i would love to see "dark souls theme" MMO someday...

[@kylejefferies7334]

Several have tried, and they all pretty much fail becuase the Dark Souls combat and such just doesn't work well in a huge MMO capacity when you have to account for lag and the such.

[@dingo23451]

If I don't get an mmo that's about the journey and not stupid dungeon progression. I won't play it.

[@galaxynick1276]

They should make a new game like Anarchy-Online

[@sanmufa2004]

Still playing Albion here

[@Mickofalltrades]

I wonder if firefall would have done better if it was out now. So many people are tired of the MMO tropes.

[@TheItalianiancommenter]

Ppl started complaining as always and new players and ppl that wanted to start to play but with all the complains the just stopped

[@xxgrey_ravenxx2950]

I really wish they'd come out with an MMO for consoles. I have console and pc, played New World as a solo player and that why i stopped playing it, because I had no one to play it. I loved New World, it just sucked that I was the only person in my friend group that was hyped about it

[@Kijiyama]

there are already a few..... unless you mean something new

[@simisim0566]

There are quite a few mmo's on console. ffxiv, black desert online, elder scrolls online, neverwinter, and I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

[@Arthysanal]

The last 2 Monster Hunter titles were also good instances of multiplayer action games