What the Heck Is Going on With These U.F.O. Stories?

[@bxknowledge4803]

Why isnt this topic being given the serious coverage it deserves? If true, this would be the biggest story in the history of the human species. This needs to be seriosuly investigated and not brushed off like its some joke

[@sherievans7226]

Because of the stigma and journalistic cowardess.

[@DreamCatcher201]

For now, unfortunately, there is no proof. All this interview is "there is someone I know that saw"... Maybe if there is a lot of pressure from the people, we might know more.

[@mestanley1753]

@Rytah01 Proof or not, real or not, it's not being treated authentically for what it is. This clearly shows an agenda from the MSM and there avoidance and divergence from the story with UFO stories of much lesser importance. It's unjust and it's sickening. They should all be ashamed of themselves. Everyone of them that helps steer their narrative.

[@rossevans11]

Because any meaningful disclosure on this issue basically brings what passes as the current world order collapsing down.

[@user-oo4vi3dg6d]

​@@DreamCatcher201it's a tired excuse, there is proof and it's in the hands of Congress.

[@relaxingmeditationyoutubev6871]

This should be on EVERY NEWS station ALL around the World !!?

[@Dan-pv1hu]

Thank you for covering this in an intellectually honest way Ezra. Please keep pushing on this subject to get to the truth, there is great public interest.

[@jerryboggs428]

What is the truth? That aliens visit us? Got proof? I don't think you or anyone else does.

[@AwakeningToReality]

Hear hear!

[@Ritalie]

Never forget, Russell Brand made such a mockery of the David Grusch interview with Ross Coulthart, that he actually made a sexual comedy skit based around the interview. Just horrible. People making sexual jokes about a UFO interview should be banned from all media. It's almost like Russell isn't really trying to help, he did serious harm by his mockery of the subject.

[@sdm_gaming]

LOL

[@asynchronicity]

@@Ritalie😢

[@markcleveland9656]

I was with USAF for 25 years, had a clearance, things are deeply compartmentalized and security and secrecy is, NO JOKE, it is drilled into you. I am positive that compartmentalization works and that the govt is very good at it.

[@ModusPwnens72]

I think this is correct, but I will say a secret like this seems a lot harder to keep. It would truly be some of the most fundamentally paradigm-shattering news in our history as a species. It would be like if we had the Ark of the Covenant and it really did have magic powers.

[@flat6702]

@@ModusPwnens72 Eyes on Cinema has all the proof that lying goverment been hiding

[@johnramirez5032]

I think the system that was very secretive has retired and now the newer people aren't 1:06:04 as keen on keeping informwtion secret.

[@onomatopoeidia]

Serious question then. If you had world changing proof, why would a ‘classified’ stamp on evidence stop you from spilling the beans? People die for nothing every day? This info could possibly help and save billions of lives and you would be the hero. Must be some incredible brainwashing.

[@jimtheakston9732]

DEEEP ? ?? REAL DEEP 😮😮😮

[@falconquest2068]

Well I'm not confused. Grusch's testimony is not a revelation it's confirmation. If you're not aware of this you're not paying attention.

[@MansMisfortune]

Yea but he has by far the best credentials and is the most reliable source for this second-hand information. There are current high ranking military and intelligence officials that say his character and veracity are beyond reproach. The process through which he is going about disclosing this information is also lends significantly more legitimacy as he has filed a report with the Office of the Inspector General about reprisals he has suffered as a result of his disclosure to Congress and AARO, which was deemed to be ‘credible and urgent’ by the inspector general. While many of the claims are not new, nor are they as outlandish as some prior claims, the legitimacy he brings to the issue is unprecedented as is the bi-partisan Congressional efforts to unearth this info and get (at least some) to the public. Keep in mind that this is all second-hand hearsay evidence. At least what has been publicly released at this point. This issue has been so stigmatized most people offhand dismiss it (I can’t believe the lack of interest that was received whenever the Nimitz and Roosevelt UAP videos were released in ‘20), but that seems to be changing. I think (and hope) we are on the brink of a serious paradigm shift. Because if these claims are true, this will seriously throw the legitimacy of many world governments into question, and will be particularly painful for the US military industrial complex. People will likely go to jail, exclusively over materials will be lost along with billions in funding. I hope this is all true and we are experiencing a real systemic shift, because I am not optimistic about our future (the US specially but humanity in general) if we maintain our current trajectory. With that said; Ezra bring reasonable and well thought out skepticism to the topic while still encouraging the legitimacy of its exploration. This is very responsible (and increasingly rare) editorial journalism. The only agenda being pushed is an earnest search for truth through a reasonably skeptical lens given the lack of primary source data and significant implications at issue here.

[@robertsutton8894]

@@MansMisfortune Haven't heard the talk yet. Await to here what they have to say about it being claimed that old "All the news that's fit to print" passed on 1st chance at it.

[@jerryboggs428]

Verbal confirmation is not proof of anything. Grusch has not seen, touched, smelled an alien craft. How can he confirm anything?

[@BILLY-px3hw]

It is all hearsay, all these years no clear pictures, a lot of rumors, grainy IR footage. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. I am not a skeptic in fact I am quite interested in this topic. That being said, I have not seen any real alien photos , I have not seen any clear pictures of craft, if the government had these craft & beings all these years someone would have gotten clear evidence.

[@mikalmos369]

I've done one step further and think of it as a confession

[@bobule]

Thanks for covering this when most of the media is not.

[@kevinadamson5768]

Because MSM is controlled by the black state or cabal same as social media Google, you tube etc. Have you ever noticed when something real pops up on social media and you tube shortly after it will be flooded with false ones to further muddy the waters and confuse the public. It's up to the public to sift through all the crap and try and identify the real ones.

[@echo-trip-1]

Actually most of the media IS covering it now. Almost all the media.

[@onomatopoeidia]

@@echo-trip-1not in Australia. Backwater, joke of the planet this place. Ashamed to be Australian

[@masterninja9716]

@@echo-trip-1man, people are so easily led to drink from the proverbial trough. Nobody seems to be able to think for themselves anymore. Every outlet is covering this crap. It’s an obvious PSYOP. It’s also divisive. It checks all the brainwash boxes.

[@daydays12]

@@echo-trip-1 indeed!! Just what I was going to post. As you know the media makes money out of stories like this and people like Ms Kean make money about writing stories like this.

[@doubletrouble2283]

Kudos to Leslie ! She did a terrific job with the hard questions and answering them objectively

[@Seabird41]

She is beyond vague. She is saying nothing in this interview. It sounds like she has been wasting her time with a bunch of flaky people all taking crap to each other.

[@karsten11553]

@@Seabird41 Agreed. His questions for her were really on point. Particularly the one about the CIA UAP program that was struggling to be taken seriously and getting funding, while somewhere, in another corner of the deep stat, people are rolling in funding and results. Grush really is a terrible witness, all of his statements aren't EVEN "trust me, bro" but once removed, i.e. someone else saying "trust me, bro." Basically hearsay.

[@SuiGenerisMan]

Are you nuts? She did a good job? A reporter should never say, " I really don't know" 10 times about their own story

[@christianmorales5974]

I was forced into being a believer. My wife was an experiencer and I didn’t know for years and then she opened up and I felt like the unluckiest man in the world to the point where we went to the shrink because I thought she was schizophrenic. The doctor said no, but has symptoms of it. Even weirder was after that visit with the doctor for some reason I started seeing ufos with her, always with her. It was summer and that summer I saw ufos 4 different times always with her while we were walking the dog. That made me think a lot about this issue and I went down the rabbit hole and as a person that values rational thinking I can tell you that this topic is very confusing, I’ve tried to rationalize it and it doesn’t work, none of it makes sense but it’s real. I have no doubt that it’s 100% real. Things get weirder and weirder the more you look into and one has to remain skeptical but with an open mind. Arthur C Clark said any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic true that

[@flat6702]

Watch Eyes on Cinema and you will believe

[@jerryboggs428]

@@flat6702 Why? What in "Eyes on Cinema" will convince me? Eye witness testimony is the least reliable form of evidence. Google it.

[@mattameta]

Foile deux

[@susanrocksvold534]

Do you follow Dr Steven Greer? He'd be a good source for you. Frequency and Empaths are his life work,.

[@christianmorales5974]

@@susanrocksvold534 I don’t. He’s done a lot of good work in the past but I don’t agree that all of the others are benevolent. I keep thinking of Independence Day and the woman who had the sign on top of the Empire State Building and she was super excited. I can’t remember what the sign said but she got blown into millions of little pieces

[@kosmosgalactic6221]

The Debrief and NewsNation reportage, along with ancillary expansions and clarifications, easily meet the threshold for serious follow-up investigation. Unfortunately ignorance, cowardice, ridicule, and fear seem to trump hard-edged journalistic truth-seeking in much of the mainstream media.

[@neopatriot7716]

When half the country believes an orange reality TV star when he says an election was “stolen” and the other half is fighting for pronouns, what do you expect?

[@aclearlight]

​@@neopatriot7716🤣🤣🤣😖

[@cereem]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@weerawanchantanavanich5518]

IN A NORMAL COUNTRY THIS WOULD BE ON EVERY FRONT PAGE ESP. ON YOURS, SHAME ON YOU NYTIMES!!!

[@Lioness_UTV]

This isn't true. This topic already involves Five Eyes alliance look up the recent disclosure of a letter to Five Eyes alliance members stating concerns about the information getting out. Search: Larry Mcguire UAP letter

[@rdjinaz]

@@Lioness_UTV Please give me the link to The NY Times coverage of David Grusch. Apparently, I missed it, even though I subscribe to it.

[@SteveMagnante]

I am so thankful that Ms. Keane is making the effort to bring this subject into public view. She is perhaps the ideal person to do the most and do the best with the new information about UAP'S and their reality. Bravo! -Steve Magnante

[@user-kc4lt2eg6u]

Ezra, maybe people within the intelligence community DISAGREE internally about whether or not this should come out? Why would you assume they are thinking as one? What other topic is there that's comparable to this? It's amazing the mental block people have when it comes to this topic. Everyone seems to have already decided on our place atop the universe and spend their time backwards rationalising everything toward that conclusion.

[@DemoDick1]

Bingo. Competing factions behind the scenes.

[@carolynbommarito2188]

Very good point, and I'm sure it's true.

[@missshroom5512]

It is time to be honest about Sasquatch as well….they need protection and limits need to be put on the logging industry 🌎☀️💙

[@DeirdreB-fu1qb]

And being honest about dogman

[@SilentGloves]

Ezra's (and many other's) cardinal mistake is continually assuming that the government is monolithic; that the government knows what the government is doing. Some bureaucrat sitting at a desk approving stuff for public release definitely does not have knowledge of this program, if it exists. Such an individual or team would be operating on heuristics. If we think about NASIC as an example; which is housed in a building at Wright-Patt; even in that building, there are hundreds if not thousands of programs, and only a few individuals may be read into any one program. It's not like you get your TS/SCI and they just give you the keys to the vault. You are read into programs for which you have a direct need to know, and no more. If this program exists; I'd bet that there are fewer than 200 living people who have been briefed, let alone directly involved.

[@Moe-ge6vv]

Please keep coverage on this topic coming. This is THE most important story today.

[@billferguson2364]

What the Heck Is Going on With The NYT? Please give this topic the attention deserves!

[@j.osborne4914]

What gets me how people who effectively know nothing are skeptical. You dont know enough to be skeptical.

[@aaronrandolph261]

great point!

[@glenharnish]

Suuuuuuuch an important point. Skepticism requires "knowledge."😅

[@deskfriends2391]

So what should you be in that case?

[@j.osborne4914]

@@deskfriends2391 what should I be?

[@aaronrandolph261]

@@deskfriends2391 informed on the available information otherwise known as research

[@GTR003121]

About time, coverage of this issue is seriously lacking. Get moving!

[@MoeShlomo]

And steadfastly ignore the people who arrogantly roll their eyes at the topic before they've even heard a word about it. That is not a rational, scientific attitude by any stretch. It boils down to this: either some hidden segment of the government is conducting an elaborate misinformation campaign for whatever reason, or we have alien material. Either way, it's a huge story.

[@anonymoustoo4945]

because they are corrupt

[@GTR003121]

@@anonymoustoo4945 Yes they sure are

[@ftgoggi4715]

This dude isn't taking it seriously though, he wasn't even listening to the responses given to his questions half the time. He asked the same question on multiple occasions. In fact I found his attitude and approach derisory, maybe he needs to get over himself a little.

[@GTR003121]

@@ftgoggi4715 Can't disagree with you there. A lot of those covering this issue have a shitty, dismissive attitude unfortunately.

[@the_eerie_files]

Thanks for covering this, Ezra! It will reveal itself as important soon! Believe me!

[@anniemacneil8697]

Your doing the right thing please keep it going.🇦🇺

[@sherievans7226]

Outstanding interview. I commend both Ezra and Leslie for this informative and excellent discussion overall.

[@Oldschool811]

I'm 100% intrigued and 100% skeptical confusion sux 😂

[@GraphicdesignforFree]

Dear Ezra, it is difficult to explain how secret these programs are. These people are not ''safe'' if they talk. They are ''threatened'' if they talk. You can fill in with what threats there are. It has possibly cost more money to keep this all a secret, than it has cost to reengineer UAP's.

[@mattsapero1896]

Security of UAP info is supposedly TEN times the cost of the actual research.

[@atotalwanka]

Can you provide your source confirming the threat level if they talk? I'm sure the New York Times would love to hear about it.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

NYT prints their share of MSM propagandists, too. Don't trust everyone - learn to discern. I will admit that Ezra departs from the majority of NYT's MSM supporting journalists. 😊

[@Ritalie]

If you've ever had sleep paralysis, then you too have been affected. I've watched interviews of military personell who say that they could listen to your house from satellites in the 1970's, by just scanning the vibrations from your glass windows. And that in 1969 they could see a Golf Ball on a field at 80,000 feet high from an SR-71. That's 15 miles high above the atmosphere, beyond what you can see from the ground at all. By today's standards, the surveillance is considered infinite. There are no limits, including being able to see through solid concrete walls and inside of walls.

[@paranoidhumanoid]

Snowden didn't factor in their personal safety and freedom? Manning didn't think about the consequences of whistleblowing either? How about Ellsberg? Assange? When you have a story this big, you must deliver. This UAP cottage industry makes for great headlnes, views, book deals, paid interviews, and other neverending revenue streams.

[@mchapman6835]

Thank you for letting Leslie Kean talk without interrupting her as others would do. She got over all the information I needed. There must be some of the hierarchy behind the coverup who believe these beings are demons to be fought and others foreseeing their, wealth, oil & gas shares plummeting. Just fear and greed.

[@rd264]

what "coverup"? Americans are the most gullible people on earth. they'll believe anything. pitiful. read the crucible by arthur miller.

[@SuiGenerisMan]

Um...it sounds like you listened. Leslie got hoodwinked. Embarrassing.

[@baneverything5580]

You think tens of thousands of witnesses are liars? You have issues. @@SuiGenerisMan

[@chera3777]

I think the story of David Grusch needs to get more attention. If he's telling the truth, that needs to be disclosed to the public. If he's lying, there should be an investigation why a high level intelligence officer makes such bald claims... Whatever the truth is, its deserves more attention from the public!

[@Charliemmafan]

HE'S NOT LYING AT ALL!

[@75YBA]

He’s a con artist.

[@Kalumbatsch]

He's probably telling the truth about people telling him bullshit stories.

[@grendel824]

@@75YBA What's the con, though? What fills in the blank here: Risk prison by lying about UFO stuff ---> ???? -----> get rich ?

[@isoldam]

@@Kalumbatsch Bingo.

[@jamesheinze6394]

So much of this is reminesent of the conditions that Galileo was confronted with when his observations radically changed the then accepted view of the heavenly bodies.

[@cherierichards5476]

Nicely done all around. Thank you Leslie and Ezra.

[@brucewayneissupermanquinn601]

I’m a history teacher. And I think if we stop and look at the type of info that is coming out, and the government actions that are happening, we’d realize how much progress has been made. Gotta keep the snowball rolling!

[@daydays12]

For a teacher you are not very articulate. I didn't understand your comment.

[@Stopcolonizinglebanon]

I don't like him but Klein is no mug.He put his finger on the key issue. Why would the vile deep state allow info to get out unless as he suggested it's a byzantine psiop. Anything with that provenance should be handled with twenty foot tongs.

[@ijamsum]

Whistle blowers have told us we have UFO technologies and a 43 spaceship fleet in space and a underground breakaway society in the USA base tunnel systems in 1999 . At least two colonies have been reported off Earth one in the Dwarf planet Ceres in the outer solar system and two bases on Mars. Some ETs are helping us explore and develop the technologies using our manufacturing know how and making new alloys a different way atom by atom to build using tile pattern geometry and crystal geometry with special properties. There are many parallel Earths that all evolved much differently than us . UFOs are local coming from other dimensions and we live in a Multiverse of many parallel galaxies and solar systems . The Cryptid creatures witnessed have come from other dimensions when the veil between dimensions is not perfect ! In the Multiverse most everything is possible if you can imagine it .

[@taylorsteele6847]

This is too important for any self respecting news outlet to ignore any longer. Thank you for covering.

[@masterninja9716]

It’s THE narrative. Every outlet is covering it. You’re chomping it down, exactly like you’re supposed to.

[@JoelBrandonMedia]

Leslie’s book MUST be on the to-read list for this topic! Love that she DIDNT selfishly plug it. Love her!

[@FirstnameLastname-wl9jx]

I liked the book, but after looking into some of the accounts that she included, I felt like she left out the other side of the argument that would have raised substantive doubts about those encounters being NHI-centric. It felt unprofessional & made me question her objectivity.

[@daydays12]

@@FirstnameLastname-wl9jx Well said. She didn't come across in this interview as objective or professional at all. Her book has made her lots of $$$$$$$ That's all. I don't know if you remember or know Erich von Daniken who wrote "Chariots of the Gods" and made lots of $$$$$$$$$$$ This sort of stuff is always happening. People are so gullible and often under educated. I was surprised the New York Times walked into this.

[@sidstovell2177]

​@@daydays12I'm so old that I remember what fun we had with the Chariots ... book. True? False? It makes me very cynical about all this.

[@cragkeeper]

​@sidstovell2177 so why does nearly everything mentioned in the Bible sound like early humans trying to describe the powers of high technology not known on earth at that time?

[@cragkeeper]

​@@daydays12so, why were artists from Biblical times painting UFOs in the sky?

[@cedrickdebunne8964]

Bravo pour avoir traité ce sujet avec sérieux et avec une invitée géniale 👏

[@rossevans11]

It's painful to hear people with no background in this topic, no understanding of the deep and complex history, give us their unlettered musings, and expect a round of applause. Stay in your lane Ezra, with the partisan political hackery, and superficial political musings. This topic is beyond you, in ways you can't even begin to comprehend.

[@MrTeff999]

Bottom line: information is siloed and no single agency is able to analyze it in total. This problem needs to be brought to Congress so it can allocate funding.

[@MrTeff999]

Of course, getting Congress to allocate funding for a new agency when all it wants to do is cut funding for everything else might be lead to disappointment.

[@DCBJ2011]

This is the real life "Don't Look Up"

[@W_Bin]

It's great finding random in depth explorations of current issues, thanks for the journalism NYT

[@walkerdale6602]

Thank you for looking into this topic .

[@stevenkobb156]

There is a huge gulf between finding objects we can't explain and don't understand and proving that aliens created them. It would be awesome if true. But as a scientist, I'll remain skeptical until reproducible proof comes forward along with peer review. I can't think of any way that looking at rows of data or photos could prove alien origin without being confirmed by independent third parties in possession of actual samples. Sometimes, we just have to say, "I don't know...yet." But I'm glad you are investigating and discussing this.

[@666ydney]

i agree w you. comparing data, extensive studies and tests, peer review, etc... there is so much scientific study that would have to go into this before anything can be said definitively. there are so many explanations for what this phenomenon could be, it could even be multiple different things. it'd be cool to know what's going on but i think assuming that it's all aliens from outer space is too limiting. plus there's confirmation bias and other factors that disrupt scientific study when we assume what something is before it's fully looked into.

[@adurpandya2742]

Reproducible proof will never happen.

[@parkerault2607]

Skeptics should be pushing for disclosure just as hard as anyone else; you can't study the phenomenon if all evidence is being suppressed. It's clear that *something* unexplainable is flying around in ways that appear impossible according to what we know about physics. There are too many credible reports and videos to reasonably think otherwise. The most important thing to do now is to determine whether or not the claims of recovered materials are true, and if so, demand that civilian scientists be allowed to research them. There's also the issue that according to these reports, private military contractors are hiding information and lying to the elected officials that they are lawfully required to report to.

[@tearituppc764]

A true scientist wouldn't be sceptical. They would form a hypothesis and conduct investigation. Pasteur wouldn't have made discoveries by being skeptical.

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

I think the real problem is that there is a stigma associated with little green men to the extent that, if a potential adversary wanted to escape detection or any significant response, they could just make their unmanned craft look like flying saucers and the incident would not be passed up the chain of command or further investigated. Most of these incidents are not unexplainable by physics, but nobody has taken the time to identify possible instrumentation artifacts or natural phenomena that could cause these incidents. There are reasons not to want to disclose some of this information, but the typical method of operation is unacceptable.

[@floccinaucinihilipilifications]

Thank you for giving this story the serious attention it deserves

[@AwakeningToReality]

Thank you to all involved, a wonderful and balanced conversation m. Great time and approach

[@rogerbusby5853]

The question that is NOT BEING asked is WHY can ANY government program exist that is NOT overseen by Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court, and How, if true, can these programs be funded by our National budget without understanding their purpose.

[@JoyceKelleyHomes]

President Eisenhower warned us in his final speech, President Kennedy likely lost his life over wanting to be transparent about the ufo/uap information he had discovered. It really is so above our daily lives, its difficult to wrap our brains around all the implications. Having said that, I am a regular person, many like myself are ready to absorb this important life information.

[@marycordeiro996]

I hope this is not the last guest you have on this topic, great talk, very balanced,thank you.

[@cbow305]

It seems unlikely that DOPSR would have been read in on these programs and likely have no idea they exists. Especially if these programs are being hidden within other legitimate/legal SAP programs.

[@Jack_Parsons-666]

Yes, or someone from "upstairs" calls the DOPSR office and simply says "give him the green light". No explanations are given, just a simple "give him the green light".

[@thinkingallowed6485]

Grusch could be part of a slow drip disclosure effort. Strange the host doesn't mention this.

[@karikaru]

Yeah this was mentioned by one of the other outlets - they suggested maybe this was a "soft launch." Inoculating large portions of the public to the potential of alien life on earth could be a preemptive measure to ensure we don't suffer a COVID-esque economic shutdown and disruption. Just look at the hysteria from The War of the Worlds broadcast for inspiration of what people could do in reaction to the news. People could start shooting at every mylar balloon or drone they see, mass suicides, cults and radical groups forming, hoarding of toilet paper, etc.

[@JD-lt7uv]

Sounds bout right.

[@lakemurray7239]

Regarding the "competence" of the "Government" to keep secrets...Klein is confusing political appointees with the professional hard-core civil servants and contractors. It is a different mind-set and different level of commitment.

[@Ratkill]

"There are no UFOs" The government is lying!! "There are probably UFOs" The government is lying!! Tf yall want lol

[@l.j.krumenacker9802]

It's great to see this getting fair coverage.

[@carolynbommarito2188]

Thanks for this interview, Ezra. You and Leslie both treated each other respectfully and I appreciate your efforts. Don't let the naysayers get to you.

[@davidkingsford1010]

Thank you so much for this excellent podcast. This is, no doubt, the most fascinating topic. Almost as fascinating as watching the Congregational upheaval and the Government turmoil to avoid exposure. Please keep investigating this. Ross Coulthart would be an exceptional guest to interview, just like Leslie. Thank you.

[@gianluigidautilia6417]

All a bubble of nothing. I follow this from the early days. No real proof of anything. Theater.

[@cynthialester8348]

The more you look into it, the stranger it gets. I wish it wasn't true, but I believe it is. Thanks for covering it. The truth needs to come out. And I will stick to UFO.

[@yakmaharg]

The most comprehensive back fill to the current fallout from the Congressional hearings on UAPs. A brilliant listen.

[@vaettra1589]

The UFO stories aren't half as baffling as the silence from legacy media like NY Times.

[@auzziewoz3620]

Seems like that attitude of many people is, it can't be true therefore it isn't. He has given specifics to congress let them investigate.

[@derekwiffen1115]

One of the best interviews on this information I have seen beats all of the fluff pieces out there. Great job!

[@ALADINO66671]

Leslie kean and Ralph are the kind of reporter that go for the biggest stories. They don't settle for the conventional story of the cat on the tree... They go big.. They go outside the ordinary. That's what make the different in them... And all this with professionalism. Good sources, and seriousness.

[@jerryboggs428]

But oddly, they haven't proven an alien visit.

[@ALADINO66671]

@@jerryboggs428 they don't have clearance. Congress knows about anyways. Besides. Have you heard about Ariel in Zimbabwe...1994, I think ? Is not a question if Extraterrestrial life exist... We are past that point. What we need from the government is to come forward and admitted. Because there are a whole bunch of other questions that need answers. What are they doing on earth? Since when they are here? Question about religion, technology, if we are related. Idk about everybody else but I want to know.

[@jerryboggs428]

@@ALADINO66671 "Is not a question if Extraterrestrial life exist... We are past that point." Oh? Then show us your proof of an alien visit. You have none, so I'm supposed to just accept your word, right? "What we need from the government is to come forward and admitted." Oh? If you have proof that we are "past that point," why do you need the govt to admit anything? Disclosure seems to be all that UFO enthusiasts want to talk about. But what does the govt know that's unknown to the countless 1000s who each year say they saw an alien craft, had an experience, or were abducted? I'm sure they'd say they don't need the govt to tell them anything.

[@tasha6151]

It certainly is still a question of whether or not extraterrestrial life exists.

[@ALADINO66671]

@@tasha6151 it might be for you. But know for me.. Sorry y you can't put together all the evidence and come to a positive conclusion..oh that Will be when and extraterrestrial alien invite you to dinner. Scratch your back. Don't know. Just a little be of irony don't get offend it.

[@GregAlterton]

They're distractions.

[@jere0111]

Thanks! if only the NYT would publish some honest piece on the subject

[@geofromnj7377]

If she can't tell us anything because everything worth knowing is classified, why is she being interviewed? I don't get it.

[@mytmouse57]

Maybe she’s full of shit?

[@CuriouslyMindful]

Thanks for a thorough interview and discussion. Critical in today’s climate.

[@SanjuPun-vo6je]

Thanks New York Times for covering UAP topic and it's whistleblower David Grusch. And thanks to Leslie Kean, Ralph Blumenthal and also Ross Coulthart.😍🥰😘❤️

[@MossyStoneGiant]

You've provided a well needed context to people like myself just hearing about this from the Congress videos.

[@ColourfulCarly]

This topic needs more media coverage

[@Lioness_UTV]

It also needs more of the public to get involved

[@onomatopoeidia]

Nah, Media has been irrelevant and ignored anyway since the beginning of time on this. It’s too mind boggling to understand secondhand and we are all too contaminated by the whole web of deception. Just get out there and watch the sky. Have your own experience and you won’t need anyone else’s opinion and nothing anyone says will matter. It’s a ‘have to be there’ type thing. Even the most jaded person can’t unsee this phenomenon.

[@jamiehamblin7204]

Your right...the disconnect of public response is stranger then the reporting it self ? Really bizarre

[@defuse56]

Nice going Leslie! I gave this a "like" not because of Ezra and his podcast, but because you did such a good job of educating him. What he says at 51:02 just shows that the UAP issue is different from other secret programs. The government has been lying to us for at least 70 years (I've been studying UAP for 50 of those years). Why would they lie for so long if there weren't anything to protect. As usual, Ezra (and other mainstream media types) just needs to do more homework. Not criticism of Ezra, because he's one of many reporters who need to be brought up to speed. 👽

[@JoelBrandonMedia]

Interesting to hear her talk about Eric Davis. I believe he is part of the Wilson-Davis memo, a document describing the military’s covert possession of and back engineering of craft of non-human intelligence (essentially the same claims Grusch has made).

[@tyto3948]

The concept that the proof hasn’t been made public because it’s classified must be really difficult to grasp. It’s as if each interviewer ignores the (given proof and testimony to congress) portion of the story. Leslie had to reiterate this fact a few times in the interview and it’s frustrating as a listener for the same question to be asked multiple times. And the psychological operation idea also makes no sense if David has already given testimony and evidence to congress. If David hadn’t spoken to congress (to which some congress members have come out and stated what he’s saying lines up with other briefings) I’d be more skeptical. It’s as if people are coming up with these BS theories to seem more intellectual than they are. You can keep an open mind without being skeptical or believing everything. Theories can sometimes be useless.

[@robertsutton8894]

Awaiting for those Congress critters to be named and some hacks that aren't as useless as most to ask them a few questions (persistently).

[@rondavidson8673]

I agree about the evidence point, the shock and excitement should be about the fact he had actual evidence to give to Congress in the first place, everybody wants the evidence we're not entitled to unless the lawmakers pull their fingers out the pie and declassify this stuff and show the world, maybe people will finally take notice, also most importantly we all need to keep banging the drum

[@rd264]

the proof of goblins hasnt been made public [because there is no proof of goblins], but there are many people that dont understand what proof is and believe that people that dont believe in goblins are hiding the evidence of goblins. then the media invite goblin believers to come on TV or the radio and tell all they know about goblins. they do not provide any evidence but they warn about goblins, and also talk about a government conspiracy to keep the truth about goblins from everyone, and the belief in goblins grows. Books are published about the goblins. A guy claims 9 goblins are held captive underground on a secret military base and another guy, a geologist, is interviewed on the Radio who confirms reports of goblins, saying the reports are true, that the goblin cover up is immense, that DOD knows all about it, but not the President of course, and adds that he fought a pitched battle with the goblins and killed a few with his gun. The public that believes in goblins regards denials of goblins as further proof of a decades long government conspiracy to hide goblins.

[@dpagain2167]

So these aliens travelled across the universe but then crashed on earth. What happened, did their propeller fall off?

[@SaHayes-it2uw]

Or the come from the earth

[@erikhaynes5506]

Even though they have the technology maybe it's still a very challenging, risky trip much like how we are so much more advanced than cavemen yet still crash landed on the moon recently.

[@PabloSixty]

I don't know what they are, but what are they? I saw one in 1965 and a different one in 2023. What were they?

[@timothybrady2749]

It is not hard at all to understand how this information can be kept secret for decades. I am a retired federal agent. I worked in the same office for years with other criminal investigators and never knew specifics of the cases they were working. And this was material mostly just “confidential” and FOUO. I was also an Army Counterintelligence Agent working with other agents conducting independent investigations classified mostly at the “Secret” level. I never knew anything at all about the investigations they were working even though I saw them everyday and socialized with them regularly. Keeping the UAP information protected over a long period of time is absolutely possible.

[@hohepa8501]

You never thoutght to investigate?

[@timothybrady2749]

@@hohepa8501 Professional investigators avoid inquiring into the activities of other professional investigators. The “leakers” are always the political appointee hacks, or the professional boot lockers they bring with them when stepping in to an important position.

[@theresebrandser]

Hi Ezra, I hope you’ll cover the congressional hearing starting tomorrow! :)

[@jakeknoll9799]

So they put a counter intelligence officer in charge of studying and investigating ufos? Why not a scientist… oh yeah he is part of the cover up 😂

[@helenehenderson7499]

To back away from this is to admit intellectual defeat.

[@rustyrebar123]

Interesting that after 8 hours this only have 5k views.

[@Erik-zx6ws]

Indeed odd

[@falconquest2068]

@anon_moose Well now you have been enlightened!

[@weerawanchantanavanich5518]

MSM has debased itself by not covering it

[@vincecallagher7636]

I’m sorry, jumping to other worlds, is just to much of a leap.

[@enderjacket6384]

Thank you for covering this in a clear headed manner

[@kimsherbinin4305]

Great interview!! Thanks!

[@ericfranklin6290]

This topic has never been given the coverage it deserves. Which makes me kinda sad for our species. How is the Phenomenon not front page news? Or in modern terms: How come legacy media hasn't picked it up? I wish I could say I was shocked, but no. This is how they do. But more to the point, how do we transcend the legacy media and lazy thinking in general with the truth we're trying to verify and reveal?

[@kirstinstrand6292]

The US is fond of secrecy. They are hegemonic power- hungry freaks, trying desperately to maintain the privilege they've enjoyed at least since WW2. Obviously, their success has gone to their brains. I believe they have lost touch with reality-based rules. They will never come to light or reveal any of their secrets. 😅😮

[@ritahall8148]

The best way to learn about difficult subjects is by talking to people who have an interest in and respect for truth, personal experience with the subject, and whose judgment you trust.

[@Ben-15]

This lady is full of hot air. Great interview Ezra, she completely folded under your questioning.

[@gunnarguggs2725]

I am disturbed by the fact that so much of this sounds like the X-Files. I am disturbed in a number of ways, some contradictory. If this is hoaxing at multiple levels, I want to hear some speculation on reasons that this 'hoaxing' is happening.

[@heidihill2361]

Interesting Interview, I respect Leslie Kean and her knowledge on this subject.

[@EdwinAces]

Saying you believe the government cant keep a secret for decades is insanely naive and also wrong.

[@JamesMacPh]

Literally the biggest secret the U.S. government could have, that every “serious” scientist and journalist have already been conditioned to believe is absolutely impossible anyway

[@aaronc8057]

This video is literally the secret coming out from the government. This isn’t the first whistleblower either. Bob Lazar, Luis Elizondo.. to name a couple.

[@Lioness_UTV]

It clearly can, as history has shown, most only come to light via a whistleblower. I would also add that over time this topic has leaked out over the decades and the Gov have done an excellent job of muddling the waters and discrediting the person(s). They were also helped by a lack of sophistication by the public and a lack of access to others in similar situations. It's now a very different world.

[@Andy-zw8gq]

There is no such thing as aliens

[@weerawanchantanavanich5518]

Eyes on Cinema has the best vids and testimonies on u tube

[@flat6702]

yup by far, makes the lying government look really dumb

[@paulmeredith8920]

Yes some historic interviews on that channel I love it

[@drumstick74]

Good to hear experienced Leslie Kean give her point of view. Thanks both of you!

[@Starfishtroopers]

Ezra has no real concept of what secret means.

[@KaySloan]

How do you make a poscast about UFOs boring? This is how.

[@muttshaman2040]

When Grusch first came out with this UFO info, almost everyone online covered it, but everyone kept waiting for the New York Times to make it legit. I guess this podcast is as close as the story can get to legit and Leslie Kean sounds rational and credible. Great interview, although Ezra's tone is not up-to-speed. Leslie handles his judgy questions with dignity.

[@cragkeeper]

Whatever the government has, if it is really good for everyone, will surely be kept secret. Control is always paramount.

[@lost.projects387]

Thanks for looking at this Ezra

[@jenrocktheride119]

53:47 the fact that the second review got approved overnight is quite a piece of information

[@JosephWilsonProductions]

The transistor was first made in late 1947, however, is an invention that was conceived/ invented in 1934, & even several years later, it was considered by a scientific conference to be such an odd accomplishment that it was not included in the documentation. Reverse Engineering?

[@helenehenderson7499]

Thank goodness! This really should come to fruition. The implications are beyond measure. But the time is now. PLEASE shine a brighter light on this topic. Even David Grush may be in the dark about the fact that he himself is being used

[@mattjosh69]

I find it very hypocritical for a journalist to judge whistleblowers or normal people that or talking about secondhand reports, when it how the news works. And with mostly unchecked information or evidence. How many of us have soon news story taken from twitter,TikTok an other social media. I’m still waiting for any major news outlets report on the whistleblowers that have come forward from the disclosure project with firsthand information an evidence, that only a few KZbin’s have covered.

[@johnramirez5032]

Well before when journalists covered the ufo phenominum they were burned. Now the they are gun shy. What would irrefutable evidence look like to you? Would you except a statement from nasa or the president. I think we all want irrefutable evidence. Im not sure what that would be.

[@brokejohnnylive1530]

Leslie thank you for being so cool and hopefully educating Ezra. Hopefully Ezra will be educated now.

[@mikescott9012]

Deeply satisfying interview with leslie.

[@musiccreation1198]

Conventionally explain...1) 90 degreee turns at Mach2 speed. 2) Objects dropping from 80,000 feet to a sudden stop at 3ft off the ocean surface in 2 secs. I can go on and on.

[@onomatopoeidia]

That’s right. We can’t help but try to relate it to how WE would feel at that GeForce etc. Why be so self-centered and assume they are dealing with the same technological limitations as us? Clearly, they are not. There’s no current human explanation because surprise, surprise, we’re not the highest form of life. Give us another couple hundred billion years and we might even start to evolve to a level where we can cooperate long enough without the distraction of wanting to kill each other. Seriously doubt it.

[@kinoko5566]

I don't believe either of those things occurred.

[@musiccreation1198]

@@kinoko5566 Well, you're 100% dead wrong. They did. Confirmed via multiple, Military sensors / data sources plus NUMEROUS eye witness accounts from Top Gun pilots and techs on the Nimitz. You don't "believe"...belief has absolutely nothing to do with this. One correction though, it was 60,000ft...not 80,000ft.

[@wesley6442]

While it's great to see investigations into the UAP phenomenon, I can't help but feel a sense of déjà vu. It seems that these inquiries inevitably end up in the same place: a handful of natural explanations, a slew of unexplained cases, and no real progress. We're no closer to understanding the phenomenon than we were before. Like many times in the past, I fear these programs will be abandoned once it's determined that the phenomena are seemingly harmless and not worth the investment for further investigation. We never seem to get the concrete evidence we crave - clear footage of the craft, alien bodies, or any definitive proof of what's truly going on. It's frustrating that, despite the decades of people coming forward with their accounts and demanding evidence and explanations, we seem to be perpetually left in the dark. It often feels like we're given the proverbial "nothing to see here, move along" treatment. I fear that we may never get the answers we seek.

[@PabloBaez-TheCareerCoach]

Fantastic job, Leslie, as always.

[@Chirokelley]

The NYTIMES should have a team of reporters researching UAPs. A podcast as coverage? Really?

[@marinakukso]

thanks for covering this important issue.

[@provisionalhypothesis]

I started taking this topic more seriously in 2018 when the navy patents that salvatore pais was working on got out. It was clear that was from some kind of reverse engineering project. The amount of ridicule and pushback I got from folks was insane. Since then the topic really popped off and I feel vindicated, but also a little ashamed at how closed minded folks are.

[@magneto675]

coverage of this issue is seriously lacking! we need more!

[@carolcoffey3815]

Excellent interview! Thank you! And thanks to Lesley for her important work and for responding to your skepticism with great respect and objectivity. I have known for decades, through experience and research, that there is other intelligent life here in our world and that they are here for their own purposes, just as the resource explores of old were. My education on the topic was hugely expanded and deepened by a set of books called The Allies of Humanity. They reveal why alien races are here, what it means for humanity, and what we can do as the "native" race to save our freedom and sovereignty. Highly recommended!

[@Vlad.o]

Thank you for sharing.

[@julieann1975]

Agreed! Thank you for sharing