What the hell is happening to Vainglory? What is Vainglory "Community Edition"? + Vainglory History

[@Excoundrel]

So this is a long video (DISCLAIMER NO LONGER WITH SEMC SO THIS IS MY OPINION) - I talk a bit about Vainglory history, why it struggled and why we're in this position and what the Vainglory: Community Edition really means. Watch the video for the entire discussion but tl;dr - this is going to kill the game for a lot of you but if you REALLY love vainglory and want it to succeed it also opens up a big opportunity for you to make the game exactly the way that you like it. I was thinking of opening up an EU Vainglory Server and playing/balancing the game the way I want to. Who would be up for playing on it?

[@stemapoweredcom5536]

sounbds so cool but wld i be able to play from singapore? love that u covered this in any case :)

[@elnoviandaaditya3958]

SEA server please , i really love this game

[@karangurung5119]

What is tl;dr

[@whisnuidabagus5670]

Are they going to delete my account if I don't have vg installed? I have been off from vg for a couple of months so i uninstalled the app Should i just download it on my pc just in case?

[@aspectofdecay007]

🤔🤔 can we add our own heroes and items?

[@tw7943]

Who else misses the OG vainglory 3v3s

[@chappieenzijnvriendjes6336]

Me

[@xx_changogaming_xx808]

tw iOS me I stoped 4 moths into 5v5 it ruined the game

[@ArcticWolfOfficial]

Yah, the game is completely different now from what i remembered it to be

[@zquirle8703]

2013 was nice

[@satobi46]

Yes, I do in my 5s

[@tanmoy.mazumder]

this game pulled me through some tough times, and now seeing it wither away makes me feel like im seeing an actual loved one dying. this straight up hurts

[@uzair5072]

At least you attend vainglory till the end, you are the real hero bro 👍

[@christianaon7352]

Same T-T

[@philipwillardpayot7278]

i feel you bro

[@PrestigeWorldWide179]

Mate 3v3 is still going I can get a match under 1 min

[@rookey5983]

They kept a few spotlights for the OG characters... watch the videos. They are nostalgic as to when u were a noob and u didn’t know how to play your character lol.

[@DCDizzyy]

This actually made me wanna tear up. I remember back in 2017, this was the first game that i watched 7 hours of the championship livestream because i loved it so much. I also remember seeing "this game is dead" comments and i've always had hopes for this game but now to see that it's actually dead is so sad. I really hope their project spellfire is gonna blow up so they can be financially stable again.

[@phinn5864]

omg u r still unable to jump

[@DCDizzyy]

@@phinn5864 YOOOO i remember you 🤣

[@DCDizzyy]

@@phinn5864 unlike phinn i dont have strong legs

[@phinn5864]

@@DCDizzyy yes i has very stronk legs hehe stupid fat cat

[@faisalbantog4704]

@@phinn5864 dont be toxic but yea i know that is a jowk

[@MintCity]

I haven’t played Vainglory since a few months after 5v5 released. It was my first MOBA and it will ALWAYS be my favorite mobile game. I have never deleted the game from my devices because it’s that special to me. It’s very unfortunate that VG will never be the same again.

[@brett19890]

Thats basically the reason why VG is shutting down. Most people say its their favorite game, but stopped playing because it lost its appeal while other moba games like ML is still thriving due to having that kind of revenue to advertise. sensortower.com/blog/mobile-legends-revenue-500-million

[@minimoogle0118]

if only VG was able to release 5v5 on the best possible time then it wouldn't have lost its player base.. SEMC tried so hard to make the game phasing Dota-like..ML was obviously considered a LOL copy..and so majority of the people that plays MOBA prefer action packed gameplay since its a mobile game after all.. noone wanted a slow paced game on a handset device.. cause if they wanted to then they would rather play DOTA on PC..

[@ryandean8605]

I have major respect semc, they actually cared about the quality of their game, it was never a money grab. I honestly believe they should have just stuck to 3v3, 5v5 just wasn’t as good in my opinion. All of those hero’s were made for 3v3.

[@MintCity]

Doomsday Clock the only reason I stopped playing was because the 3v3 mode kind of died out once 5v5 came out. As far as moba’s go, VG will always be the greatest, for me.

[@IPIay01]

@@minimoogle0118 5v5 is what caused the playerbase to leave. it was marketed as a 3v3 MOBA and had the appeal as that. The people who voted for 5v5 weren't dedicated VG players.

[@intertwinedfate1429]

VAINGLORY has one of the best control schemes ever made for mobile. The touch controls feel legit like a bonafide MOBA game not unlike most that rely on joysticks and "Auto Targeting" mastering this aspect of the game is a huge factor in determining your skill as a player. A MOBA perfected for touch even if I know that people here that don't like that but that's how Vainglory stood out of the rest and innovated it's years. If only I've been born rich, I'd happily donate hundreds of millions to SEMC. They created a game that defined what the genre is meant to be. Not short session/bursts of auto targeting, button mashing, spray and pray imbalanced gameplay (hoping that you get random kills) but a solid one that can compete with any other game of the same genre out there. If only this fucking copycat (MOBILE LEGENDS to Riot games) of a game did not put their crappy cringe ads in KZbin every other video.

[@Excoundrel]

I agree but the mobile market isn't there yet. At least on a large scale

[@dbzMoe]

It lost the competition against mobile legends and they made poor choices. Ive quit playing the game a long time ago and im an og player. Here in SEA all my friends play mobile legends an im the only one that knows vainglory, its only natural that the game is dying. I hope they just end the suffering and shut down the game for once and for all. I dont see much in the future of vg at this point.

[@longtran4903]

@Kazama Pro im an og player of vainglory from sea too, i think vg dying because it quite hard to play with it need lot of skill, time and tactics which not alot of ppl will dedicated their time to learn it. for me vainglory still one of the best mobile game ever, im still hope it gonna comeback, i have alot of great memory with this game

[@longtran4903]

@Kazama Pro ppl are getting reported for lagging problems but i did get that maybe im lucky

[@soumanasyasengupta9538]

I've been a MLBB player from day 1 and recently I thought about getting into VG cause I got a better phone. But seeing the current state of the game I'm not sure if I want to invest my time in it.

[@zazazaaazzzaaz]

I just can’t believe there’s none giant successful company that would take Vainglory on they own. I mean game is awesome! Graphics, controls, complex, it’s so cool and so so good. Bigger company can make crazy good things with game like this..

[@hanselfinn8946]

Aov and ml already take the spot for mobile moba games it's a huge risk for company to take vainglory

[@qasimmohammed2469]

G G you hear him vainglory is not pay to win so the companies will not get any money from the game sad...that is what reality is. :(

[@zazazaaazzzaaz]

Qasim Mohammed Well they can change that.. make game improvements, than skins to pay, some season pass or something and if game is good people will pay for that.

[@KamrulhassanRayhan]

@Yuusha-MOBA-GAMING but the graphic looks like shit

[@adammalik5397]

it has little to no growth potential, so no big company is likely to take it

[@johnjo6315]

I’m no longer super invested into Vainglory, but I remember when it used to be such a big part of my life. I remember the esports and how hype and how great it was but now that I’m hearing that it’s going through a tough time and that it might even be closing it just kinda hurts inside. I can’t say that I’ve even played recently but I love this game so much and it’s just sad that it’s going to end

[@chykheangea3741]

The game truly died when 5v5 came out. At first I was super excited, even getting the golden ticket and such but 5v5 was so... different(?). I loved the 3v3 game mode and I feel completely lost when they completely shifted their focus to 5v5. A main selling point for me was the free skins. Even though i played a lot and grinded for a lot of skins, I still paid around 1k for all the new and super cool skin, mainly all the Celeste skins cuz I maimed Celeste. But I understand that they screwed up by making everything so easily farmed. I quit officially when they changed the UI. The new UI is super clunky and doesn’t have the essence that represented Vainglory. It felt off and it doesn’t help that this was when 5v5 was becoming more and more prominent instead of 3v3. It was a good run, I’ll never forget the ardent ult “mistake” and when Celeste kestrel was the best duo carry!

[@silver1158]

I agree. 3v3 is what made it so special

[@user-kt7fk2wp8r]

That true

[@RushyJam]

Francescabasty Arguelles so all of you guys loving 3v3, including me, what made the game die after 5v5 i don’t get it, wouldn’t we all just continue playing 3v3? I did.. what makes everyone say when 5v5 came it ruined it, like how? You just chose to play which mode nah?

[@rockygurumayum8059]

Lol that Ardan Gauntlet bug was actually the best 😂

[@chykheangea3741]

@@RushyJam the balance shifted to primarily 5v5, which causes 3v3 to be really imbalanced and not fun. They also removed 3v3 casual. 3v3 had basically no update. For me in particular, i really did not like the 5v5 gameplay. The 3v3 gameplay was what made the game unique and fun. The 5v5 gamemode was only made cuz they wanted to attrach Moible Legend's players so it felt really uninspired and broke 3v3 balance.

[@MonologueMunchie]

Vain glory helped me cope after I got back from Afghanistan 4 years ago So sad to see it go down. :( Vainglory will forever have a special spot in my gamer heart

[@luccaseduardodeoliveirafre481]

Losing VainGlory it´s just awful. I am one the Brasilian/South America fans and playing the game, learn about it, be part of the community and even watch the championship was never an easy thing for me (language Ya Know). But that made this game such an especial part of life, ´cause the game was just PERFECT (once I played it, I just couldn´t play the "Tradicional Joystick´s MOBA"s no more). So I guess this is a goodbye. At least a had the chance of getting to excoundrel, that is an amazing creator! Cheers from BR! huge fan... (I´m sorry for any mistakes, still learning english)

[@Excoundrel]

[@corneliuslumenardyan9261]

So, VG could be the best dead game in history :')

[@Aurocia]

Reminds me of club penguin

[@unded6094]

Yes

[@sweetkaiju6840]

no doubt

[@IvanCrisDCudal]

If it will be like club penguin maybe it will comeback in the future

[@corneliuslumenardyan9261]

@@IvanCrisDCudal i'm affraid it won't

[@andreabertazzoni6834]

I had a dream last night... You commenting the VG world cup... Woke up with tears on my pillow... Joking but that hurt so much...

[@Toru_01]

Why you gotta give me this feels, man?

[@samcoolz6339]

Ok so this is a serious situation for all of us VG players who spent our time in this game since the beginning. I really agree with all of what you said Excoundrel you really make sense. It's sad to see what the game had end up to and you mentioned about how they wanted to make profit so they added talents, hats etc, let's not forget that they added battle pass for one patch and then removed it completely which made sense why they did that after what u said. On 19:57 when u said "Vainglory in a way has actually died now" I had goosebumps and felt sad , that's so true it won't be the same anymore, it is really ending. Anyways please update us for more information regarding VG if you have something ofc. Btw I really enjoyed your VG contents for the past years, when u explained every patches and made gameplay videos, you are one of my fav VG content creators. Thank you so much and farewell VG !

[@julian5742]

If only they had had transparency and said "here are the receipts, we are not making enough money and if this continues, the game will die. So we are asking for everybody's financial support to keep the game running healthy"

[@WitchElyxir]

I agree that could have been a good option

[@learntosayno78]

Ya they should have gave that a try

[@NeroVingian40]

That wouldn’t worked. Sure you can raise a few hundreds, not more than that. VG and MOBAs in general is a bad investment at the moment.

[@gxld_599]

M. Arbah Binamin some not all mobile legends going stronger than ever, their fan base is just too huge for them to die out anytime soon

[@NeroVingian40]

Gxld_ depends, those same fanbase came from LoL, and Wild Rift is coming out soon. With Wild Rift coming, it’s not a good environment to invest into MOBAs atm. Maybe next year would be good.

[@tradesmanhelix]

If that was the case with the skin system, I wish SEMC would’ve just said “Hey our bad we need to monetize this or the game will die.” Would’ve helped us accept the change. Given the lack of communication, it just felt arbitrary and even a little hostile, but pretty sure if they’d be more transparent we all could’ve gotten behind them. Although at that point seems like that could’ve hurt the brand so yeah IDK tough situation. Thanks for the great video though. Hope SEMC knows they have a dedicated fan base that wants this game to have a future!

[@yuristikyou]

We can still do it if 5.000 people will pay 10$ its 50.000 $ Iam sure its enough to maintain servers for a year

[@locx]

If you went to their forums (SEMC's and vgforums.net), this was a well known issue.

[@tradesmanhelix]

@@locx I have not gone there, so I guess I missed it. Would have been smart of them to broadcast elsewhere but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

[@fr0ck360]

Tbh I left because of that and friend party features

[@lolfreakwaca4328]

I played vainglory on my samsung galaxy s4 , thats a pretty small screen and I never had any problems! Man I spent so much money for skins ! Sure I did use the card system but when there was a cool skin I wanted I just bought it ! Sad to see Vainglory go , it will always be a part of my life!

[@G3arH3art]

You are right. I have invested so much time, emotions and money to leave VAINGLORY for anyother mobile MOBA.

[@bachminh5206]

Sujal Sahu mobile moba in general is completely trash. Vainglory has its unique aspects and and great example how it lost to some generic moba that dumbass people headlessly follow just because it’s popular.

[@enigma5014]

Mobile legends no need to use real money i can get all heroes by just playing and enjoying. They give free skins also and rewards for doing daily quest.

[@twilightflux6287]

@@enigma5014 lmao free skins?? Before LoL Mobile was announced, Moneytoon rarely made events for free skins and it's usually those cash grabbing events that they give out one or two free skins. Not to mention the ingame effects are average at best, no recall animations of the characters and very little effects

[@enigma5014]

@@twilightflux6287 thats my point VG lack of that strategy to stay at business. And yes i got all season end skins for free...and on easy event also.

[@enigma5014]

@@twilightflux6287 you're ignorant lol the animation of recalling and spawning have different different effects well it not free or free if they got event and they always got events.the graphics also are big improvements from old one. Anyway Rip VG graphics alone is not enough to keep on the business. Again Rip and welcome league of legend mobile😍 let see of LOL can beat mobile legends😱😍 battle for moba mobile

[@freeloguy3387]

Together as a community we will do this. I believe. We survived rogue. Rogue didnt even give us the option to do this ourselves. Now we can. Lets do this guys!

[@Munchables]

Can I just say Excoundrel, THANK YOU. You've been a huge part of the VG community for years and have consistently updated us on the situation with the game long after anyone else. I've not looked at VG in months at this stage, but because of you I'm able to keep an eye on whats been happening. Cheers man.

[@David15]

Excoundrel I don't know if you'll see this comment, but this video was a really well thought out and extremely insightful analysis of the situation. Very well made. I wish SEMC had hired you as an advisor back when they were first starting esports!

[@ironcnash]

Long story short: Vainglory failed for being so amazingly perfect.

[@JonathanFigueroa]

I still play Vainglory on my small Pixel 3 with the OG tap controls. Tried the joysticks but just can't. Still love VG. Still play it. Just wish they took off like they deserved.

[@ghostzero123]

Excoundrel, I just wanted to thank you for your videos over the years... great voice in the community - thanks!

[@hassanzo1]

For all that queue times, they should have implemented a couple of ads here and there for income. They could have still kept the battlepass tool. They never asked for donations or help. They were not honest about not making ads for the game. They should have ran the e-sports a bit better. Like so many things could have been done to build a profit but none were used. Now its too late and the game I have been playing for the last 4 years is literally dying. Its unfortunate. SEMC working on spellfire for the last two years and whatever that is (probably some crap game) will flank i promise you. They should have sticked to VG and done rework on their income value. It would have paid off after sometime... Sad day indeed!

[@karangurung5119]

Mte I cant help but think alike about their new game. 2years on that project rather than focusing on the one they already had. Vg is such good game shame that semc didnt do better

[@thevinyltruffle]

Haz Nooone Sounds like they should’ve hired you 5 years ago and they’d be the most successful gaming company around.

[@borhulo9521]

dude, excoundrel literally explained why few things that you mentioned could not be done. imo, vainglory has been and still is a great experiment from the point of view of game developers. semc should move on to creating a better product than this and be successful monetary wise. hope spellfire is the one.

[@hassanzo1]

The Vinyl Truffle I am just stating the facts boi

[@thevinyltruffle]

Haz Nooone Yup. You’ve got all the answers. As well as many successful games you’ve developed.

[@jvnscloud2340]

This news broke my heart all day:(

[@phinn5864]

So only for 1 day?

[@redthalos]

Vainglory did have such an amazing potential, it just didn’t reach it.

[@enigma5014]

Because it's not user friendly for beginners so how can you stay on game if the players are going to more user friendly games..eheemmm mobile legends

[@Rizushii]

Also the servers is kinda bad.

[@mireta_]

I started playing vainglory with 4.7 inch phone :( and im loving it

[@MHL227]

Mitsal R Taqi I startet with the IPhone 4 in 2015

[@LLawiet_official]

I play vainglory since 5 years. And this is gone now? SEMC LOVES the game. They created it with hearts. So they will not let it fall, believe in that

[@rcrezwan]

It's not about love, It's all about money which semc doesn’t have

[@dagingerbreadman70]

Rezwan Haque like honestly 😂

[@sonicthehedgehog1060]

Yea unfortunately believing In the power of friendship or the heart of the cards wont matter at the end of the day when it comes to the real world. Money IS money and without it, your done. That's the real world unfortunately

[@yc3692]

Grow up?

[@Ms-Fortune]

RIP Vainglory. It was the first MOBA I ever played (before even LOL); and so Vainglory will always have a special place in my heart. - - - That said: I am a Mobile Legends player; and I absolutely love it a lot! In my personal opinion, Mobile Legends will never be “trash” - But that just goes to show that “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure,” right? xD Though I also completely agree that trying to migrate users to a completely new, and different game (say, from Mobile Legends to Vainglory) is a VERY hard thing to do. It’s hard to override someone’s time, energy, and emotions that they’ve invested into a game, ESPECIALLY if it’s one they’ve grown to love. At some point, that player will end up feeling like “oh, this game is just a cheap imitation of [insert previous game here],” and when people come at it from that angle it will NEVER be good enough to convince them otherwise. Once people have formed an opinion, it is nearly impossible to convince them otherwise. Their own opinion CAN change, but that will only happen if they allow it to. And most people just aren’t that open to reform, myself included. - - - I hope that Vainglory can make a comeback. I know there are some really amazing creators out there that could use this opportunity as an advantage. And I want to see that. It’s bittersweet. I will forever miss the original Vainglory; but I am also doing my best to look forward with hope. And maybe (like a Phoenix), something grand will emerge from these ashes. I want to believe it will.

[@gloxinixx7938]

Even tho I haven't played VG for a long time, I have never deleted it on my phone and ipad. Hearing that this game is dead really breaks my heart. RIP to the best mobile moba ever created 💔

[@puncturedbicycle7264]

This is the end of Vainglory, but hopefully a new game will be born out of it like Dota or LoL

[@coffeeandkeyboards8361]

Project spellfire

[@DisI3oss]

LoL Mobile

[@puncturedbicycle7264]

@@DisI3oss yes

[@tiestolqa146]

Wild rift is on the way, and it will blow out every moba on the mobile market.

[@enigma5014]

@@tiestolqa146 let see if he can beat mobile legends or another game mean to failed xd

[@kinromero4185]

Watching this vid after playing vainglory today though finding matches took longer now. This pains my heart so much cause i preferred vainglory over any other mobile mobas. This to me is the most polished game and what should other games should aim to be. I wished that vg thrived as successful as mobile legends. From a supporter from the ph

[@optimisticenigma283]

I was an OG player, when the selection was just a handful of heroes and people still played 3v3. then they removed casual 3v3, and focused entirely on th 5v5 concept, and that just alienated the old base according to me, since most of us didn't need another 5v5, the whole 3v3 mechanic had its own unique pros and cons. I may not know a whole lot, since I kinda dropped playing it, but sadly killing 3v3 was according to me a bad move. The game which had been easily accessible before and had invited lots of new players, just spiralled into the competitive only MOBA with a high learning curve. I remember it being easy to teach 3v3 to my little cousin, but 5v5 was such a clusterf* that it stopped being even fun. That's my opinion though, please read with a healthy serving of salt.

[@Twilightvilf]

Vainglory failed when they got rid of cards, wasting the art on the cards and essence

[@paralegalparaplegic8177]

I loved the earth it was badass like the little bits of lore in them like fortresses cards

[@nicholasaudy6064]

Playerbase: We want chat, analog, 5v5 SEMC: no *Game is dying* SEMC: Oh shet ok guys here you go Playerbase: Too late

[@sennadehond3821]

Jacktheson P how exactly?

[@yuriei.]

@@sennadehond3821 im no expert but i think it because it ruined the originality of the 3v3 thing

[@HongTamNguyen]

Vainglory is the best game that I have ever played!

[@enigma5014]

Obviously is not enough if not the best for many players. Mobile legends can be bcoz it getting more more players and strong community

[@QS17]

Very sad that this is happening, I don't think any other MOBAs compare to this. I just downloaded Onmyoji Arena yesterday since I wanted to see what else compares and it was one of the names I saw on top MOBAs when I searched on KZbin. Played a few casual matches and it doesn't even compare to Vainglory. This game is too good to let it go like this and needs to be saved by us or somebody. Spread the word and give this comment a thumbs up so it can be seen.

[@platinumorange1034]

Onmyoji arena also has low player base all good games are ignored for cash grabs

[@enigma5014]

Well I let go vainglory 3years a go never been happy playing mobile legends compared to Vainglory. And mobile legends keep getting stronger moba game

[@QS17]

That's sad, now I've seen several times that Mobile Legends is inferior compared to Vainglory. That'll save me the time of trying that out. Hopefully Vainglory comes back from this and becomes recognized.

[@enigma5014]

@@QS17 but see it now where's mobile legends and where's vainglory now!? Add all starts lol what an abomination game .mobile legends keep improving every updates and mobile kegends updates are frequently. Mobile legends gameplays are its glory compare to Vainglory that not beginner friendly and get boring bcoz of lack of contain to keep the players entertain. Reality check mobile legends are superior on all moba as of now.. let just wait for league of legend mobile if it capable to de throne mobile legends

[@QS17]

You said never been happy playing mobile legends. Now you said it's superior. Just because the game is more popular? So is it better or not? I haven't heard anyone said it is yet. And there are reasons why Vainglory isn't as successful, one of them is I just don't think many people know about the game. Also like you said, it might not be that begginer friendly

[@ChopsTV]

And just like, 3 weeks ago I was thinking "man, I miss VG. I might have to dust off the ol' account and get back into it". Sad days, man.

[@timtimber5271]

Chops same bro I downloaded it two days ago and now this happens

[@mcsy98]

yeah, been watching ads daily for 3 weeks to get a catherine skin with opals by the end of april but this happened :( so sad these days, 2020 is a complete shitshow already and we’re just 3 months in. Just another log to fuel my yearly depression spike i guess :’))

[@joffreyjouan2791]

Haha same fucking story, downloaded back the game this morning because of quarantine shit 😂😂

[@tormentedbones]

Same. Me and my colleague were just talking about playing again after this quarantine. :(

[@danzvg1803]

I honestly think removing the battlepass and 3v3 casual was the start to the end of the game. Nearly everyone i knew had battlepass

[@OTSHYBRID]

Danz VG I agree really the game went on a downfall after 5v5 came out and didn’t live up to what it was

[@markatkinson8066]

Excoundrel, hats off to you, this is such a fantastic video. You’ve just hit the nail on the head with literally every explanation of what has happened. It is truly sad to see such a wonderful game die, however as you said, if you ain’t marking money, regardless of how good something is, it will end. From you comment on the controllers, right though, advertising, esports...everything is 100% spot on. Great content.

[@RayLemuelRL]

Pls those who have much talents, it's your time to shine! Save Vainglory!

[@indrajati3348]

excoundrel deserves at least 2million subscribers

[@yogran1]

Games like Ragnarok have managed to thrive on private servers even now. I hope the same can be seen with Vainglory

[@FfblastBlogspot]

Why not offline, moba offline with campaign mode. And add better ai

[@ledancingphoenix]

@@FfblastBlogspot Cuz offline is not the same, the whole community thing gets lost there. That's what keeps VG going right now. Apart from that, making a campaign that's worth your time is a lot of effort, effort they can't put into the game or else they wouldn't have chosen this path. Also it's not as simple as "let's just add a good AI", that takes a lot of time and effort as well. There's a reason why the VG AI is so bad, a better one would have cost

[@David-cx4tz]

thanks for making this video up . At first, i didnt really understand what vainglory community edition is, but after listening to ur explanination made me realize that vainglory is basically dying like its the end of the game now. I mean its never gonna be the same again because the server will be runned individually.

[@the_am_trader]

Yeah, they should let the skins be tried out like in ML. Not to give out for free, but to have people try out the skins for about 1 - 7 days and the players can have the option to buy it at the end of the trial on discounted price, or they'll loose the trial and they have to pay full price on the skin.

[@ravenknight6363]

Free skin? I have too buy them :*(

[@Cartmaniac]

You can play any skin in practise. Also if you buy full access pass, you unlock all heroes for a whole month

[@moalijoshua1516]

Man, going to miss my guild 🥺 Ranged from a large age group from teens to even 40 years old. Had such a diverse culture in the guild, it was amazing.

[@nesaTajkun]

same.. what region? what name

[@moalijoshua1516]

@@nesaTajkun SEA server. I'm from New Zealand and had friends from Australia and everywhere in south east Asia 😥 hby?

[@nesaTajkun]

eu man same story... i was like this guy must be one of us :) i had 1milion fame :(

[@nesaTajkun]

@@moalijoshua1516 and privates dont count on fame list :(

[@moalijoshua1516]

@@nesaTajkun maan just actually thinking about all those times, not only can I think about the guild but things I've been doing in life the past couple years. Like things I wouldn't remember, vainglory for sure unlocks a memory for me.

[@omgitshoo]

it’s sad to see that VAINGLORY had to go down this path, SEMC was too nice :(

[@quintessential_21]

Dammm this still hurts today. It’s downloadable but nothing is there... I was gonna come back for some OG memories, but I guess not. Anyone else remember the days when there were only 9 heroes? Or was it 6? Then taka came in. Or when Krull was OP as fuck. I remember the day black feather came out, Phinn, and Arden. Black feather will always have a special place in my heart along with Arden. I was one of the best Black Feather players in NA east.... ah the days. I even wrote a school essay on Arden, Vox and Celeste. Or when Vox was absolutely insane and the after shock worked on his first ability. Ahhh the days, Vainglory will forever have a special place in my heart.

[@sactasticvoyage4449]

Been playing VG since 2015, sad seeing such an amazing game go down hill over the years, I'll continue to play. If the time comes where VG is no more, can anyone tell me if there is another mobile moba with touch controls. Its already a fact that no other mobile moba will come close to the quality of graphics as VG, just looking for something else with touch controls as a back up Please any help would be appreciated, thank you

[@intertwinedfate1429]

@Little Big You my good sir read my mind and deserve a like.

[@akshaymishra3674]

Well wild rift(leagues mobile version) Might come up with touch control.

[@randomizedm9708]

Heroes of Order and Chaos has a touch control Too bad it’s dead

[@jabba2072]

Wanted to come back to this game after 4 years during this quarantine. Very sad news 😢

[@Kunumbah1]

Same dude I literally just redownloaded it and I was confused because it looked weird asf

[@nicey8649]

SEMC is too generous. I played vainglory since 2016 and by the time I stopped playing last year, I already unlocked all heroes and around 50 % of available skin for free, just by grinding....

[@salj.5459]

Which is why they removed the cards system

[@sbo6477]

Tomy Ferdiansyah you played no life mode #2 they barely have any heroes which means they dont have skins, and the new heroes they do release get stuck @ rare skin phase

[@ruelandrew00]

I am now on a quest to find the reset button of 2020. so many sad events and now this.. My heart is broken. ... but I am still alive, Vainglory can still live. I believe that this will be the point where Vainglory will once again transcend everything. I am very sad with news but I am very optimistic that things will turn out for the best. And yeah! I wouldn't mind if they made the skins (mostly) cash items, especially if the design is awesome. Till then, I'll see what happens next and I will try my best to support it again once they return. P.S Nice video! I know you are not part of SEMC, but you are still a part of Vainglory. And this video will definitely be a beacon of hope for this game.

[@qasimmohammed2469]

I think the biggest mistake SEMC made is when they removed the gold pass and the silver pass from the game I was buying every gold pass they ever add and I had a lot of players as well in my friends list buying that if they made it every 2months a new gold pass I think they would got a lot of money of it. And more players being active to get the last rewards form the pass

[@trblank9298]

Nope the pass gives you more ice than it costed which make it almost free

[@trblank9298]

Pple will only by them once and thats it

[@salj.5459]

Tr Blank Yup, I noticed that instantly as well

[@nomorelove8060]

The reason I quit vg becuz queue match is taking so much time to get a match ( about 6-10 mins ). It irritates me so much and they delete 3v3 casual too that’s suck.

[@MH-vo8hg]

We get queues in like 1 minute in SEA

[@monysaurusrex7834]

I got match in 32sec

[@karl7145]

lmao youre lowtier obviously

[@lalavenderre11]

Play 3v3 casual it takes less than a minute

[@xkeysc0re]

@@karl7145 no, here in eu in the last 4 (? Maybe more) months it took 7 minutes minimum like 8/10 of the times. Im 9-9 btw Edit: sry i was talking for ranked 3v3. 5v5 has been more active

[@andylarson8704]

Does this mean I already lost my account info that I played for the last 6 years 😭😭😭

[@lamjustadroid]

I AM FUCKING CRYING RIGHT NOW .. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK . I’m gonna miss vainglory

[@nesaTajkun]

MAKE VAINGLORY PAY TO PLAY GAME! PUT 20$ A YEAR AND RUN THE SERVERS! WE WILL ALL PAY FOR IT!

[@WitchElyxir]

It might be too late for that option with the current situation

[@BurdisPhoenix]

Haile Selassie i would pay 10€ a month, like netflix. i spend more time on vg

[@metalheadmaniac8686]

if I had the money I would pay $1000 ever second to have VainGlory

[@alanndkawa126]

This game wasn’t touching at first, but it grew on me and I really love it.....I first started playing before heroes like scarf were introduced....ah the good old times, I loved the controls, even though I had a mini-tablet to play with, I eventually mastered a bunch of heroes (mainly scarf, Krul, and idris). It seemed like the game was dying after heroes like idris were introduced, after Loriel ,I really felt like the game was dying.....that’s why I stopped playing, I will never forget my times with this game, and it will always have a place in my heart for giving me confidence in my skills.

[@kamael]

Kindred: Asunder

[@JIVE3VIL]

I wanna cry, it's 2021 now...

[@hunzbunz8810]

I have a question, is this reversible in any way? Is there any chance, even if slight, that when SEMC is done with spellfire, will come back to vainglory again? Or is it going to be like that forver?

[@Excoundrel]

maybe, but i have no idea

[@Aurocia]

Excoundrel Gaming feels like club penguin all over again :(

[@justinesj3778]

Vainglory will never seen on Esports again Unless if big company buy vainglory . I hope Project Spellfire will succeed whether its for pc or mobile ☝️ ilove SEMC making the best graphics and mechanism in the business

[@Verxx-sc2tl]

Let it sleep

[@donpromillothex.6446]

What exactly is spellfire

[@Figuremakr]

I was employee #4-#5? (don't remember exactly..) I cannot speak for SEMC, however Kindred/VG was a labor of love for the founding team. I have not been paying attention since leaving, thanks for the video. Nivmett is a talented guy, I hope he is able to do what he wants to.

[@jaspersuh]

Actually when they made the game 5v5 I switched from AOV and MLBB and tried VG. The reason I stopped playing VG after like a month is that the game was too slow. Every moba takes about 10 to 15 minutes. If really long 20. But VG 5v5 took about 20 minutes easy and sometimes 30 minutes. The map was too big for a mobile moba and no one including all my friends who played it didn’t want to spend that kind of time for one match. Also for every match the waiting time was 3 minute plus. This only made everything was because every time I wanna play I had to spend 30+ minutes. Also, there was no chat function making it hard to communicate. Also, mobile mobas make it easy for the players. You can buy equipments everywhere on the map anytime. You can auto set your equipment. I’m sure hardcore fans would think that’s too elementary, but the wider player base are casual not that hardcore. VG never catered towards people’s preference, but tried to make a product that felt like a PC game. That just wasn’t for me. It’s a shame though because VG seriously was the best looking moba out of any moba out there.

[@mashedpotatoes8580]

I've played this game the moment it was launched. I remembered getting tendonitis because I playing way too much of it. Joining guilds and ranking together via discord, eventually getting vainglorious in 3v3, getting hyped over 5v5, and playing the 5v5. One of the issues I've had with VG was it's connection issues that arose when 5v5 was released- I had a full bar WiFi and it still lags nevertheless, which resulted in me deleting the game and moving to lesser tier moba ML, which I do enjoy. But vainglory will always have a special place in my heart.

[@trappedindreams4272]

Speaking of playing VG on phone: I had always played on my 5,5" phone with my tumbs using touch control scheme. Joystick sucks.

[@sbo6477]

Trapped In Dreams iphone 6s squad

[@NiseGen-13]

Joystick sucks? By the end of the day, people still prefer the Joystick.

[@trappedindreams4272]

@@NiseGen-13 no one I know does

[@NiseGen-13]

@@trappedindreams4272 You mean your Vain Glory friends. No wonder.

[@danielfaria4949]

VG make me fall in love with game again, it’s was long time without this feeling, The VG make my year 2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019 Good in gameplays!

[@izmlowspec5245]

I'm in tears.... I remember playing this while my friends are playing this filthy game called "Mobile Legends".. I tried to explain that Vainglory is really good and they should try it out. They resist... They saw me play and said "Eww why are they so sloww" and many2 else. Really sad seeing this....

[@truejacky632]

Bill Bails true also my friend didn’t like VG and prefer Mobile legends because it has joystick and easier, they were talking like it’s a slow game and boring.

[@nananpondoc3557]

Me too im heartbroken it has more impact to me than this corona thing 😞😞😞

[@vincenthabla9250]

Can I ask question? What is the total storage need for vainglory?

[@izmlowspec5245]

1 or 2 gigabytes i think

[@vincenthabla9250]

@@izmlowspec5245 is 2 gb of storage is the full needed? I want to play and explore MOBA games.

[@Holographiclynx]

Been playing since it was released and revealed at the iPhone 6 reveal. I remember playing pedal on my dads iPhone 6 Plus and being so jealous of how big his screen was. Playing on my hour long bus rides with my cousins. So many memories.

[@suonraskmey7051]

Yes... I'm so bored when they changed the way to get a skin. I remember that when I started playing it, I can get again by saved glory to unlock. But no longer for it... I'm a bit sad.

[@raizernight]

I remember playing Vainglory when Taka’s perk still had lifesteal and Crystal Vox was a thing. I really love Vainglory but I don’t if I will ever come back unless there is an amazing and balanced community server

[@theneosuperzero]

Remember when WP Taka was viable? I member. That lifesteal is so good.

[@Surfin808allday]

You nailed it with the skins. VG should have made players pay a subscription either to play the game or for the skins.

[@nazareous7199]

So sad that once upon a time the player base was huge and there were huge tournaments and even worlds along with community tournaments. I had many memories playing this game growing up. Now I’m a league addict but I’ll never forget the good times like when CullTheMeek and VONC were names that were feared and respected. Goodbye, old friend

[@redrooster5795]

i am a forever fan of VG, have been loving it since my 1st time playing it, i have tried different mobile moba's but at the end of the day i'm always back to VG, i love the graphic ,control, maps everything exept the long queue time.

[@aftergod2173]

lalhriatpuia renthlei long queue time is now only in 3v3 ranked

[@redrooster5795]

@@aftergod2173 thanks a lot man...i guess im sticking to VG as long as it exist

[@brandonlemon1039]

Thanks for doing this. You’re a stud

[@rugolabkk]

Was playing since release then quited vg in 17 when 5v5 was released and just started playing again a week ago. Really sad to see it go :(

[@ledancingphoenix]

Same, just came back a few weeks ago. It's kinda sad now that once we got back into it, it's gonna be broken into pieces. But let's see, maybe they will force something greater out of those pieces... imagine having a well-working chat system and match history once again! And there's a lot more potential depending on how much data we get. There would be the possibility to go back to a season 0 balance patch and play THE OLD GAME! That's something I haven't seen with any other moba, I'd love to go back to beginning for once on a community server

[@nsreturn1365]

OG player here. ( Npro2000 EU). Yeah i loved the game, only got separated from it since the issue with Huawei phones appeared. How ever i need say yes the crafting mistake was huge, it was fun for me to grind 6-8 hours a day back in school, and a major point in playing the game. However i unlocked nearly 150 skins without paying a dime really, even LE and SE skins. I sometimes buyed chest but only in huge sales that i knew come, since i was seasoned, ( easter, christmas, Valentine's, so on). They should have done it different looking at it now. Also the point you mentioned about phones excoundrel, yeah it was huge for me to learn new heroes, it was basically having a different control sceme for every Role, and in the long run my Hands took a toll. With pains sometimes stopping me from play. Now iam doing exercises, to prevent the same from happening ever again, well we all learn new stuff for life.... The game had a great run with some issues down the road, in 2017 being so great, so its really sad to see the game ending like this, and those crap games rise in the stores. But there is a decline in Mobas all around i feel like, since people get bored of the same thing 10 years later. Also the new ip VG allstars seems like a great way to make money, however they need to battle with one of the biggest companies, if something amazing and unique does not happen, i cant see it take off.sadly. However iam still looking forward to spellfire, whatever it should be. So hey one last time, lets take a walk down the memory lane, play some VG and well move on since we all know nothing is eternal, even if they are saying so. It will remain as a small community eg Hots. But will never be the same. So people enjoy your time, i wish you the best, and wish VG the best. ..

[@alexanderdiaz0512]

They removed everything. I was just on and there’s no more elo so why even play ranked. Everyones names are gone and they want you to pay 1300 gold for a unique permanent name. Vainglory is dead, long live vainglory. 04/03/2020 here lies the once true mobile moba.

[@hsayos]

Alexander Diaz so that’s what happened !!! i logged on today and i thought my account got banned :(

[@alexanderdiaz0512]

siihong nope. Our once great game is dead

[@hsayos]

Alexander Diaz sucks that this is how it ended... i was just getting back into it. rip vg

[@glincolnracing1622]

Stopped VG back in 2018, re-downloaded the game today and was so confused when I started up the game... and that’s why I’m here to find out what happened. R.I.P

[@ayushFos]

I was Tier 9 Gold on a 5" Mobile. :') 4 out of our Tier9/10 PentaQ were on a 5-6" phones xD. But yeah, I get it would be difficult for many.

[@solaire7046]

Ive started playing a few months before rona came out and i remember grinding for those cards and reading the descriptions and appreciating the art on the cards, and everybody stocking up on those healing flasks XD and getting the contract item as first item

[@0oShwavyo0]

I play vainglory daily in the way that you're saying is awful (on my phone, held in my hands with touch controls), and I find it far superior to the few joystick mobas that I've tried. Just an alternate opinion on control scheme fwiw

[@donpromillothex.6446]

Good that someone say it

[@xanderjansen4539]

I remember those old days where Zekent and Playoffbeard would hold dev streams and it felt like a proper community. It was something all my friends would play all day long. That would be 5 years ago, when skaarf and taka were announced and ringo would be in every free hero rotation. Sometimes I would go back to the game and play it for nostalgic reasons, but all my friends from back then, even randoms who added me after a game. No one has been online in the last 6+ months. We were all rank 9(forgot the name) / vanglorious bronze and silver. It was an amazing time, I really miss it

[@reighaillness]

Its the engine, it blows my mind when i first play it on my android phone back in 2016. Other mobile moba looks like ps1 game compared to vainglory, even until this day. Sadly SEMC mishandled VG in a lot of occassion imo. They are way too late to implement 5v5 map, when they finally catch up the other moba already snowballing in popularity. Lacks of advertisements adds fuel to the flame as well. Lore, well oh well why they cut off the lore. And then rogue comes in, they add heroes that doesnt fit in VG universe.

[@XX-jm6cl]

Played Vainglory before/near the release date of Phinn. This is.. really saddening.

[@ATenorMedley]

Started playing when Celeste was the new hero. Loved the game for a while. But quit several times because of game length. But quit for good because the game became too complex and the hero’s became too numerous for a casual to learn how to counter. I wish they had made more of an effort to keep the maps and game modes fresh and changing and not new heroes. Anyways, love your channel and keep up the good work

[@TrungNguyen-is6lq]

You know, for a moba the game was pretty simple

[@zazazaaazzzaaz]

New heroes was a must! That never was a problem.

[@ATenorMedley]

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have added new heroes. It just felt like that was where all of the effort was. I found 5v5 interesting because it was a new map with a new strategies to test. I wish they had added different map variations to add a little more variety. This was my first moba so maybe I had unrealistic expectations.

[@imran587]

How to get our account backk guys???

[@dagingerbreadman70]

19:55 there it is. Well, it was fun while it lasted. Now to pass my classes and play smash bros. CYA!

[@carlthehuman5221]

SEMC really was too nice and took good care of us. I remember buying a season pass with Ice I had earned for free. Leveled the pass to 100 in one month. Got all the rewards, and even more Ice than I had spent on the pass to begin with. That moment when a game dev's mistake was being too kind and having no greed. Giving it all away for free. God bless. I hope Community Edition takes off, and I hope their next game does too. And that this time they'll be able to properly and effectively monetize.

[@clarenceadrian4862]

Mobile legends is trash. even tho i play 80% MLBB and 20% VG

[@ieue_a8802]

Basically when you only play something because your friends play... it’s sad. But I don’t blame you.

[@clarenceadrian4862]

Yep. I only play MLBB because my friends play it. I enjoy it sometimes. but ML is too trash compared to VG i can tell you that. Anyone that defends MLBB and says that it is superior to vg are delusionals.

[@satishm5260]

Yep

[@Gtiere]

Truthfully, MLBB had more servers compared to most of the MoBA. That's why MLBB would survive better than any games.

[@trese_13thegamer36]

For sure mobile legend players are cheaters

[@locx]

It's sad to see that VG has finally succumbed to this stage but hopefully the community servers will be able to do more than just hosting servers and be able to bring in new content to keep the game going. It's awesome that Nivmett is going to host a server and support 3V3 again. That was what VG was; it's root, it's core! It's what made VG unique! I think this will bring back the core players during those times. I wish the Lore would have continued but alas SugarVenom has moved on. There were lots of good suggestions on the forums on ways to improve/monetize but I guess at that time (2016-18) all these fell on deaf ears.

[@CreAlex320]

Ill answer in one sentence, "League on mobile is coming"

[@ieue_a8802]

Probably a joke but no you have no clue. It’s like you’ve never played VG.

[@CreAlex320]

@@ieue_a8802 lol what

[@brendanpope6203]

@@ieue_a8802 what does that even mean? 😅

[@unknownph537]

@@ieue_a8802 What are you talking about?

[@chi2264]

Vainglory was the game that made me wake up at 2am and grind rank with my bois to vainglorious. Started when Celeste was the new hero and koshka cath and Ringo all cost 800 glory. Been 5 years... what a journey

[@ditodevice1950]

F this didn't aged well

[@SphagetyCoder]

I played vainglory since way before 5v5 when 3v3 was the shit, there even was a profile icon for Facebook you got for being a 5v5 tester

[@vermilionYT77]

I hate it when people complain about the craft system. Buy your own skins!!!!

[@chydi10]

Lord of the Flies too many broke people out there, it’s annoying.

[@intertwinedfate1429]

I agree, it's basically one of things that led to the game's difficulty of sustaining it in financial terms.

[@jcnot9712]

I first heard of Vainglory when Ciderhelm joined as director of video (or whatever he did) since I watched his League content from time to time. And then years later when my ex girlfriend was obsessed with it. The need for a tablet as opposed to the low specs pc I own or regular phone definitely proved to be a barrier, and even if it was available on PC I would’ve geared more towards League. Seems like it meant a lot to a lot of people, so I’m bummed I never gave it a fair shot in its peak days.

[@panfrags5569]

Well, thanks god League of legends is on its way.

[@phinn5864]

thanks you god

[@justinesj3778]

Don't forget Project Spellfire :3

[@christyallen1479]

@@justinesj3778 spellfire will not be a moba

[@machduel]

Hey excoundrel, what if vainglory wasn't free? Maybe if they offered a short (say 2 game free version) and then had the full game cost 5-7 dollars in the app store? I don't really know the specifics or how the purchase money is split between the makers and the play/ios store, but this might have helped. What are your thoughts?

[@cabb6573]

GG WP guys. Vainglory is becoming like cs 1.9