What the Meta Needed: Thanos Day & a 9 out of 10 OTA - Marvel SNAP Card Changes Review

[@benjaminwatkins429]

While i don't think the agent venom change is bad, I don't think he deserved the 5th point of power when compared to lizard's stat line

[@joedoe7572]

He should be at most a 2/3, probably lower

[@benjaminwatkins429]

@joedoe7572 2/4 is fine. Do you have a reason why you do think 2/3 or lower? Aside from not liking to lose to buff iron men

[@TheKeinash]

Lizard doesn’t convert your 10 power cards to 3 power, which means he doesn’t force you to build a deck entirely around him like agent Venom does

[@benjaminwatkins429]

@@TheKeinash sure and Colleen Wing also needs deck building restrictions to be useful.

[@1brianm7]

@@benjaminwatkins429 2/3 to make Cerebro players happier

[@alex2d]

I'm unsure how effective the AV change really is. He's now flat-out overstatted and still has his giant upside when played on curve. The cheaper cards of the deck are slightly worse post-Venom than before and the IronMan/Mystique stuff is a little less nutty but it still feels like it has the chance to be overbearing when played early.

[@joedoe7572]

Exactly. He should be a 2/3 or lower. I can't believe they buffed his personal power to 5

[@abhinandhari7812]

Lower power might make him scary for cerebro

[@abhinandhari7812]

Nkt to mention, his effect IS a downside

[@petarpetrov9989]

When you say that a 2/5 is over-statted, you need to consider the realities of the meta and power-creep. 2/5 doesn't even cut it anymore, and "the new normal" 3/5 is as lame as 3/3 used to be. Stat-sticks need to be like 2/6+ and 3s are more realistically considered against a 7-Power bar (i.e. your Angelas and Morbiuses, Sages, Cassandras and Surtrs, etc.), while the other cards need to provide abilities/synergies to justify them being "only" 2/5 or 3/5. I'm not saying AV is balanced now - just that his "power" is still contingent on getting up to +12 Power across other cards when played on curve (and that's before considering him hitting multipliers like Mysterio or Iron Man/Mystique)

[@silvsilvsilv]

A vanilla 2/5 would barely see any play, so we can hardly say it's over statted

[@mrdanielleake]

I paid money for a competitive game. And I am happy they are making changes that they think will make the game stay fun and competitive during the holiday stretch. hope they continue to pay more attention to that🎉

[@NuggyPoundy1]

thank you, but u guys gotta stop..... ur feeding something that needs to stop

[@mrdanielleake]

@NuggyPoundy1 sorry you missed my point. Was trying to agree that I'm excited about them making changes they think are competitive. Unless I misunderstood yours and your disagreeing and arguing that second dinner is money grabbing or whatever feeds that i dont know. But I clarified my original post hope it clears up any misunderstanding or further supports my thoughts.

[@FedorShtemenko]

2:45 it wouldn't be that much of an issue if getting new cards wasn't such a drag in the first place

[@davidlarsen3698]

Excited to see you excited. I’m heading off to work shortly - it’s fun to think that I might come home to some new deck building ideas if your stream goes well today. Enjoy!

[@fakeigniz13]

Playing a Darkhawk Ronan deck and I'm not keen on the a black widow changes, it has some nice applications as to when you time the activation, but it dramatically reduces when she can be played to be useful.

[@HeroDarkStorn]

It's interesting that Thanos and Agatha say "draw Thanos/Agatha" instead of the typical "draw this".

[@roniusadethel9768]

As an avid bounce enjoyer: yeah, that point off sable was fair. I could consistently get her to 5 power. If locations were nice, I could get multiple copies at 9 power.

[@joedoe7572]

I think they should have made her a 1/2 that only steals one power. It would have made her less crazy in bounce, but more generically decent

[@silvsilvsilv]

​@@joedoe7572they specially called out wanting her to be good in bounce.

[@roniusadethel9768]

​@@joedoe7572 I already lost Angela and Kitty Pride. I would really like to have bounce options beyond America Chavez.

[@benkpeltz]

If anyone is still buying season pass cards and getting angry when they get nerfed, which I'm sure they are, they must not be familiar with the adage, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Or, in this case, "Fool me twenty times, maybe I need to rethink how I make decisions." 😂

[@chadwick196]

Oooh just got my first Jessica Jones skin, just in time. AND Thanos?! It must be my birthday!

[@Slacker_Becker]

Also just in time for a JJ $10 bundle coming up

[@joedoe7572]

​@@Slacker_Beckerand for the Heimdall bundle in the shop right now

[@Slacker_Becker]

@@joedoe7572 And a $50 Thanos bundle is coming up at the end of the month.

[@kennethaunstrup]

4:39 Was widows bite also updated, or did someone put the wrong text here?

[@V3nomEX_DE]

Wrong text, thats the old Widow's Kiss ability

[@bagoftrix]

I love these OTA's however one thing i still don't understand; some cards have literally never been good and barely or even never been changed. Not even compensation for the massive power creep since the beta days. How is Surtur a continuously scalable 3/4 yet Rhino is 3/3 with a very niche ability that hasn't ever been relevant? Or just compare all the Guardians with a card like Surtur. And yes i'm comparing an overpowered season pass card with vanilla ones. i know those starter cards are weaker on purpose but come on, you have to bump them up one or two points when every month you add vastly more powerful ones. And there is quite a list of pretty unplayable stuff purely based on base stats.

[@lucasfilipe1634]

A balanced game doesn't mean all cards are equally good. That's borderline impossible. Also you are comparing season pass releases at Series 5. Cards for beginners get at the same level than cards made to impact the meta are very different. Can you imagine if you didn't need any new card bc u got better ones?

[@lucasfilipe1634]

The game would be boring if every new card was balanced in comparison to cards you got at the start of your journey. Also beginners meta game is meant to be different from end-game meta game.

[@bagoftrix]

@@lucasfilipe1634 your overrating the beginner experience plus it’s simply not true. Iron Man is one of the best cards in the game. Odin, Nightcrawler, white tiger… it’s actually great if there is a home for most of the cards. Snap is not a game of filler. And the game has changed a lot since it came out. 3/4 vanilla now is not what 3/4 was when the game launched. Plus, most of the cards I think need a long overdue buff aren’t even starter. My mistake to call them starter, they’re probably more in the pool 2/3 region. But I do think cards like Cyclops should get a 3/5 statline. Polaris is 3/5 and does something. High evo isn’t doing much right now and cyclops isn’t in Patriot lists. Easy adjustment. And there are many more that can have a simple no brainer buff based on powercreep.

[@ultimatesore]

Surter change makes sense doesn't feel bad in it's own deck, agent venom felt like making cerbro 4 function was cool but the change to 3 power while being a 2/5 is awkward. Otherwise these changes felt like fine points off cards and thanos change has me excited to maybe play him again since I hadn't liked him since the removal of draw on soul stone a while back😊

[@holdenhayes]

Silver Sable to Mr. Negative??? 😂

[@silvsilvsilv]

I juuuust deleted my Thanos deck this morning, feeling it was just too weak to compete. Super happy with his change

[@introvertsapien9323]

they're changing black widow to activate because double widow's bite is annoying but then they change widow's bite anyway? 4:38 or is that just a mistake?

[@HooglandiaSnap]

Wrong bite text there.

[@loiseauxmort9568]

I kinda wish they had made AV a 3-power card so that you could create Bast-AV Cerebro-3 decks :p

[@rapalborde5211]

It can work in cerebro decks if you bast him or return it to hand with toxin

[@Lycandros]

Buffed Jessica but not her mirror Rescue? 🙁

[@bradhexumOSM]

Appreciate your thoughts, as always, Jeff! Thanks!

[@meander112]

I'm very amused that I been checking for Agent Venom in the shop & he showed up with this update. Now, do I keep him pinned while I save up the tokens...

[@mattlepinski]

Looks like a great OTA and an interesting art of new cards releasing later this year. This is the kind of news that would prompt me to re-install Marvel Snap ... Except at this point, I have been gone too long and the returning player experience seems horrible :-(

[@jessedorval7051]

Great video Jeff always appreciate you covering these changes but I have to ask the deck that you posted not long ago with agent venom, strong guy and others will it be affected by that cards change to where I can't play it anymore it's honestly been my go to deck lately and I appreciate that

[@SaidSilva-d2m]

Does Jeff think Agent Venom is still solid in the Bounce deck with the WW ?

[@HooglandiaSnap]

Yep. All the decks previously playing AV still want him.

[@richardkerckhove]

Suitor must be really strong.

[@Ashton.camilleri]

Is there a reason that you pronounce surtur (sir-tur), surtur (su-tur)

[@Kimoni6913]

It’s more like there’s no reason to pronounce it correctly😂

[@silvsilvsilv]

It's Caieria all over again 😁

[@chozo914]

The fact that changing a card to activate is such a nerf that it calls for an extra point of power is a huge testament to the failure that is activate.

[@ryanhorton9594]

I think the Widow's bite should cost 1 energy now. Activate is supposed to be very powerful due to the requirements

[@UncleShlime]

Now I can pick Thanos back up without feeling as embarrassed when I roll over!

[@randomhero6365]

Every patch has nerfs to the darkhawk archtype, really sucks hes my favorite

[@Crawzitow]

So sad there is no love for cerebro… Cerebro 2 lost storm… C4 had such help with agent venom and now its gone and cant even help c3 or c5 But overall it was good balancing. I think we need a “tribunal” that makes power equal in the cards for cerebro so it can become more viable… But would be sad to lose the deck building chalenge. But overall im sad its losing it viability

[@abhinandhari7812]

4:45 wrong text for widows bite, jeff

[@sushijackson451]

I don't really like this ota tbh

[@7hardy8]

I haven’t done any missions since Pocket dropped 😂 anyone else? I feel really behind now but also I’m just like eh cause of how shitty I view Snap now with the method to get new cards

[@NuggyPoundy1]

thank you, its time to stop feeding fatties

[@TJ-nd8id]

Thanks Jeff …. Great pov as always

[@JustinTheRevLovejoy]

Agent Venom/Bast Cerebro 3?

[@mertomeryildiz7376]

AV would deny cerebro from spreading its buffs since he is now 5 powered

[@JustinTheRevLovejoy]

@mertomeryildiz7376 yeah, that's why you Bast him! (Yes I know incredibly unlikely)

[@Nope0823]

Agent venom is a 5 power card

[@leonardocerqueiradias6168]

Unlikely to work. But if you really want to try it, include Valkary to have a second way to lower AV's power to 3.

[@lucasfilipe1634]

Copium. One of the best Cérebro 3 cards is Luke Cage. If you play it, AV would go back to 5. Think

[@yeeterofannoyingpeople4003]

Ooo a piece of candy

[@willyyonathan2062]

super ded black widow

[@JaylanV]

Game is best when Thanos is good he’s my favourite card

[@DavidWilliams-nm5jv]

Damn. That's LITERALLY half of my Skarr deck. Ouchie. At least I already hit infinite, but it does feel like too many nerfs of the one deck archetype. Was it really that dominant in the meta?!?

[@silvsilvsilv]

I believe it had like a 25% play rate and over 60% win rate

[@mrmv966]

Overall mid OTA

[@jaredongsing]

This update looks great! You can have up to 12 benched cards, and you get 6 colorless energy on the last turn!! But really, thank you for continuing to make high quality Snap content, even at this low point.

[@Gameboyreaper]

First

[@IyDUA]

As I predicted, when AV will be in spotlight it won't be this good anymore. So P2W players can beat my ass and I'll get this. Probably actually nerfed again before coming into spotlight caches.

[@chadwick196]

Hey you're the guy Jeff was talking about in the video! Neat!

[@IyDUA]

@@chadwick196 Well, you're wrong. Because he talked about a guy who bought a season pass. I'm the F2P player. Did you even watch the video?

[@chadwick196]

@@IyDUA lololol

[@lucasfilipe1634]

Oh yeah, the evil company that nerf Season Pass cards when Season Pass ends, but not during it's Season Pass. Is not like they nerfed 2 cards from the current Season Pass Card deck, right?

[@IyDUA]

@@lucasfilipe1634 As you see our complaints were not unheard, right? So the company is moving into right direction. We need to show them what we don't like everywhere if it's possible, so they can't just ignore it. It's like politics, every vote is important and we need to highlight the problems.