What Trail Braking REALLY is

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[@kotomakosako]

So far, the best explanation on the subject.

[@Ra-Ziel]

very simply put, indeed. the last sentence is pure gold, explaining why some riders do not get the benefit of it. 🙏🙏

[@safize019]

thank you for that extra little bit you added at the end. i’m not corning at any kind of speed to be getting the benefits of trail breaking in the city. definitely something to try when i’m on the road though

[@GrandPines323]

I agree. Mostly my speed isn't fast enough that trail braking would be any benefit. Especially on the big, heavy & slow Harley-Davidson ultra limited motorcycle or my slow lightweight Kawasaki klx230s dual sport. Engine braking alone is good enough most of the time.

[@bramweinreder2346]

That last bit of advice is really great. I've tried trail braking on a Hunter 350, but that really makes no sense.

[@chuckkelley5894]

I do it correctly by default about half the time. I don't hit the corners hard enough for it to be the constant method of turning. But sometimes in unfamiliar areas, I'll use it in different portions of a curve to tight things up.

[@bramweinreder2346]

@@chuckkelley5894 yeah eventually it has to become second nature :) I find myself engine braking more and more before corners and intersections, and keep edging that with a little throttle, until I have to brake or give it full throttle when it's all clear.

[@chuckkelley5894]

@@bramweinreder2346 You're right. It's a bit like countersteering, we were already doing it but didn't realize it. I like his explanation because that'll keep all the guesswork at rest.

[@rvdboomgaard]

Short and clear. I find I have a mental limit of corner entry speed to fully enjoy the benefits of trail braking. Still looking for ways to overcome that in a safe way. 😂

[@Dtp2296]

Apart from carrying more speed grom entry to exit, the actual mechanical reason is to stop the front suspension from unloading, look at what happens when you release the brakes, the front literally bounces up, this can cause huge instability just before/on entry of a corner, trailbraking keeps load on the front tyre

[@TheDennzio]

great additional note

[@rafelg94]

Does it unload the same if you release the brake very smoothly, before initiating the lean?

[@knowledgeisawesome416]

That makes so much more sense then those 5 - 10 minute videos lol. Thank you good sir 🤙

[@MotoJitsu]

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[@YTjndallas]

Finally! A concise explanation. Thank you!

[@djkredd]

Thanks for that, makes sense.

[@marathon8649]

Thanks man! How simple was that! People make it so confusing! NOW I'm going to try this.

[@MotoJitsu]

welcome instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@MyLolle]

thank you eddie!!! now i have a name for what i like doing when riding a bike. 😉

[@stephenwandersonea1935]

Thank you for making this video. I needed the clarity you brought to the subject.

[@MrCTruck]

It’s funny because in car racing it means the exact opposite. You brake in a straight line trail before a turn to get to speed where you only have to turn the wheel one time/angle for the whole turn then gassing out the exit.

[@RobvandenBoogaard]

This is a perfect shorts clip, short and concise 👌🏻

[@F1Hopeful]

Watch MotoGP. All of the riders trail brake into the corners. That does two things. Maximizes tire technology in an area that is low risk-high returns….which is high G deceleration while bike is relatively upright and secondly, that steepens steering angle and aids in bike turn-in. Hang on too long to that brake or use too much pressure and you loose the front. One reason why you see low sides in corner entry. It’s a magical balancing act. Neat thing is that it should be practiced at low speeds so it becomes instinctual on the track. Surprising how much front brake can be carried into corners. Well done!!!!

[@lawrence29ch]

thx for that, makes me a lot easier to understand it

[@stevensmith743]

Best succinct description I've seen. Very well done.

[@Purplehayes1024]

Thank you! Best explanation I have heard.

[@MotoJitsu]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Vader-23]

Excellent explanation, thanks 😊

[@sivanyamurayama5523]

i learnt something new today, time to practice trail braking

[@DS-gc4on]

Great explanation and demonstration!

[@MotoJitsu]

👍🏼

[@souhait15]

I’ve been hearing about this and only I’ve understood now. Thank you!

[@AChubbyWombat]

Fast Eddy always has good explanations 😊. The last part is the most important for most people in most situations. At calm speeds, it's probably not necessary or even useful.

[@Super-Bike-Joe]

Great explanation. Thank you.

[@MotoJitsu]

Glad it was helpful!

[@aronroberts5813]

Wow-finally a clear and concise explanation. I believe I actually get it now lol

[@MotoJitsu]

:) glad to hear instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@walterperez2546]

I love these videos

[@808Mark]

Isn't it braking before and holding them into the turn and trailing off the brake?

[@wallycunningham5090]

That as well yes. In my mind there's suspension trail braking and braking trail braking. A huge benefit to any trail braking on every turn no matter how fast (above 5mph) is the front is set and loaded so you can modulate your braking as needed without upsetting the bike.

[@natkobratko3198]

I do this in motogp22 obv the best way to corner but a bit harder

[@MotoJitsu]

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[@Totes_ma_Goat]

When i started riding i did this all the time and everyone i rode with told me to stop. Guess they thought i was hitting the rear breaks but trail breaking feels natural least to me.

[@MotoJitsu]

:) instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@mariomanus3176]

been practicing this technique in almost all speeds between 10-80km/h.

[@brandonlucas15]

Great short

[@MotoJitsu]

thanks instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@aj_wuwei]

Good stuff

[@HLZBORO738]

After you initially hit the brake before entering the turn. Are you accelerating or coasting?

[@MotoJitsu]

neither instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@johnsmith-fk7fw]

wish you wouldve talked about the first part, because ive seen people say its just (kind of like you did), mostly full brakes then trail off, whereas other things, i think even from your other videos, is gradually up to full pressure then trailing off so i guess both sides have a trail to them

[@MotoJitsu]

You may only be braking 10% then trailing off…how much brakes you use depends on your entry speed

[@johnsmith-fk7fw]

@@MotoJitsu but if 10% is 'full pressure' for this turn, are you going slowly up to 10 then slowly back off to 0 or you really only care about the 10-0 gradual transition i dont have ABS so always go up to 10 pretty slowly since im afraid lol

[@MotoJitsu]

ABS has nothing to do with trail braking or any other technology... But whatever pressure you're using... start at 1 then build up to whatever 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10% pressure, then as you start to lean into the turn, 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1...that simple

[@johnsmith-fk7fw]

@@MotoJitsu thanks ill have to work on it, doing what you said in a prev vid about re-riding one track of empty highway has been helping a lot in practicing stuff😉👍

[@quentinhilpert9606]

Thank you for clearing up about fast enough or not. I am a more slow enjoying the ride type than enjoying the adrenalin. However I will TRY to remember for turns/curves where I was stupid and not paying attention like I should have been. Is there a way to SAFELY practice??

[@nlChrs]

So Trail braking is not applicable in slow speed..

[@MotoJitsu]

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[@LBerrios]

Great visual explanation. Question: I understand there are diff curves, road conditions, etc., but at what minimum will speed will trail braking be useful?

[@MotoJitsu]

all depends

[@reviewsdounderground]

Should I shift down while breaking and before leaning? What is the exact moment? As a new rider, I tried it today and "oh crap, it is on 6, but I want to leave the turn at 2! **shifts down while leaning as he lets the brake go** too much stuff to think of, OMG IM GONNA CRASH!! I didnt crash lol, could you please help me with the hint?? Thanks!

[@MotoJitsu]

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[@_750ZO]

I’m all for being safe and improving my skill as a rider but damn for some reason you seem to take the fun out of riding

[@MotoJitsu]

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[@michaelreid5307]

Breaking before the turn and releasing going into the corner was what I learnt back in the late 90s. Nothing new.

[@MotoJitsu]

ok?

[@motoringwithmouseball1219]

Shut up and practice .. words to live by ❤

[@chrispulham4779]

Hi Greg, i mostly use engine braking but i ensure i keep the front wheel loaded and maintain trottle. Hope im doing it correctly. Thankyou. Chris (Australia)

[@MotoJitsu]

No

[@chrispulham4779]

Do you have any videos cornering using engine braking?

[@MotoJitsu]

every corner you engine brake...because all it means is when you roll of the gas, you do that before you ever touch the brakes

[@chrispulham4779]

Hi Greg,,,,, yes to what you say, but i don't ride at the speeds you do. I roll off the trottle at the last few meters and load the front and go in on a late apex and at my speed i don't need too touch the front brake. I just would luv too see an engine braking video of yours then i can understand where i go wrong. Thankyou heaps,,,, Chris

[@MotoJitsu]

I have lots and lots of videos of me riding and explaining cornering and everything that comes with it. If I'm riding at a slower pace, I don't' use the brakes at all either....I already have videos on it

[@A-bone]

Well what do ya know! I’ve been trail braking my whole life, and didn’t know wtf it was. Just kinda picked it up early on while riding.

[@estebanod]

Am I supposed to start breaking then move my body on the side, or move then break? Because I currently don’t trail break, moving my body and loading the suspension is just so much work on the suspension and chassis that I’m not feeling comfortable doing both

[@MotoJitsu]

Don’t need to worry about body position, you’re not riding fast enough to gain its benefits

[@tjey379]

Good lesson but hey which bike is that?

[@Sanisani9]

1885 Daimler Reitwagen

[@JediFOMO]

How fast of a pace is needed for trail breaking ?

[@MotoJitsu]

depends on the type of corner... instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@pb6839]

I’ve been doing this subconsciously, but does it have an effect even when going at regular pace?

[@MotoJitsu]

at a slower pace, probably not needed instagram.com/motojitsuclub/

[@pb6839]

@@MotoJitsu I think I should rephrase my question, since our riding environments are different. Where I live in Japan, the reachable speed is lower but the corners are much sharper. Narrow roads with speed limits of 30-40kph and a lot of tight hairpins. In the videos where you demonstrate it you’re going 70+ mph. I’m reaching the same lean angles going 25mph because of radius of the turns. I find myself using trail braking with front brake when I’m slowing down from maybe 40mph down to 25mph. Is it proper technique to load the front like that at those speeds, or am I better off unloading before and tipping in, dragging the rear, or something else? Best

[@gdswghdsCjiirwe]

I find I can only trailbrake if I'm having a fast ride, otherwise it's just braking too much and I end up going way to slow around the corner...

[@MotoJitsu]

Depending on your pace you may not need the brakes at all, I’ve made many videos about this

[@dparrillojr2]

OK you answered my question. I’ve been out there practicing trail breaking on the street but I’m pretty sure I ain’t going fast enough. Engine breaking alone is pretty powerful once I engage the brakes even for a second. Bike stops

[@patrickmba7638]

Just keep in mind it's a cornering tool. To help u corner safely at a relatively fast pace.

[@mrintrovert4571]

So trail braking is just slowly and smoothly releasing the brakes ?

[@MotoJitsu]

As you begin leaning into a corner

[@kankaexotic1133]

Can u make a turn without trail braking?

[@MotoJitsu]

of course, if the pace is slow, won't even need the brakes at all

[@siddarthgrewal]

Rear brake for trail braking?

[@MotoJitsu]

Front

[@siddarthgrewal]

@@MotoJitsu what about coasting downhill. I tend to use a lot of rear brake for slight drops in speed.

[@asdqwe9988]

kind of this technique used in mx ruts

[@MotoJitsu]

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[@susanm5208]

Before every ride. I tell God. Thank you for a good ride.

[@jeffriggs5668]

Wait, trail braking is using the back foot break.. ?

[@MotoJitsu]

It can be...mostly not

[@andycapp3867]

On the highway, reduce your speed before you enter the corner, taking into account the condition of the road, weather, tar banding, undulations, other road users etc., and the distance you can see to be clear to enable your vehicle to stop should the need arise. Trail braking should be taught by a professional instructor, in the classroom, on a dedicated practice ground or race track and then and only then on the highway where the manoeuvre can be assessed, corrected if necessary or praised. Once you’ve lifted a number of lifeless bodies in leather baby grow suits from hedge bottoms, collected up guillotined body parts severed by “safety” barriers you will begin to understand the business of trail braking cannot be taught on a 30 minute video by individuals intent on maintaining an income stream. Practice the manoeuvre where it is safe to do so, use it only in an emergency, the highway is not a race track, unless of course, witnessing a young wife and her two daughters scream uncontrollably when you interrupt the packing of suitcases for the holiday, telling them their husband and and father won’t be with them but would she accompany you to the mortuary to identify the mangled body. Learn to ride at an advanced level by all means but not from a computer, arrive at your destination as quickly and safely as possible. No fun at all returning home to your wife and kids after attending a road traffic accident with multiple fatalities where one body is the same age as your son.

[@MotoJitsu]

Learn to trail brake to have more control and you’ll be safer

[@dmosier]

A likely story.

[@trashpanda6441]

So, i need to ride faster. Got it!

[@patrickmba7638]

😂. Silly.

[@CaptainCaveman782]

yes but these videos don't really help for riders in the real world. In reality you probably haven't seen the corner, no idea where the apex of the corner is , decreasing radius, so easing off the brakes means you may well going too fast through the corner.

[@MotoJitsu]

It’s not for slow riders

[@PaulAndres7]

Wrong explanation. What you explained is degressive braking. This has absolutely nothing to do with trail breaking. Trail braking is a race track only cornering technique where you brake later "trail" by using a different line and truning point. I am pretty disappointed you don't know better 😢

[@jfoz7602]

Do you even ride?

[@pokoro97]

oh I thought you somehow had to brake while turning the accelerator

[@MotoJitsu]

no