What type of game is Persona 4 Ultimax?

[@pauljung9620]

Hopefully this means we can get persona 5 arena down the line, if atlus is willing port p4au now, I feel like the chances are higher than ever

[@cacodrippin5112]

I feel like this is definitely a litmus test to see if there's still demand for fighting games before they commit to P5 arena. Or maybe I'm coping, but I can dream

[@synysterpain]

Part of me is hoping p5 arena is already in development and this is just more money to fund it

[@thegamerfe8751]

Or maybe they are just re-releasing old Persona games not available on current platforms.

[@coreymccraw1145]

God I wish

[@tropixx_xlr1549]

This is only the beginning and I'm glad the anniversary is off to a pretty good start like this, finally.

[@Milpy]

I'm still in disbelief

[@thezard7013]

Suggested: Hype

[@akuro6470]

It feels so weird to be part of the extreme minority of people who is pleased by this announcement -- usually when Atlus pulls this kind of weird niche announcement I am not one of the people who is hype, but now I know what they do these for.

[@ghoulchamp6242]

yeah right? seeing so many people in the game awards chat not being hype at all reminded me how niche the community is

[@GGJD100]

@@ghoulchamp6242 Even within the FGC, I think we can only get so excited since they havent announced rollback. We as a community have a new standard. Fighting games without it really really suffer now.

[@akuro6470]

@@GGJD100 I certainly agree, I'd be very disappointed if it didn't have rollback. I'd be surprised if they not only missed the rumbling of the FGC that every game's gotta have good netcode to survive but also if arcsys said nothing to them about it. Given that blazblue just got rollback and p4u is pretty structurally similar under the hood, I'd be surprised if it didn't get rollback too. Might even be the reason BB got rollback in the first place.

[@SiblingRivalryZX]

I'll get hyped when we get Rollback

[@lordknightfgc]

I was extremely surprised to hear today that the RPG side of the community was sad about this announcement. Even though I have mixed feelings about the game's balance, I'm happy it's coming to modern systems.

[@PrincessNine]

Your grandfinals fight with Grover at NEC 15 inspired me to pick up narukami

[@lordknightfgc]

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[@katchy99]

Was going to a birthday party on January 24th when LK uploaded a video on p4A mitsuru. Weirdly enough I'm going to another birthday party today, on another p4A upload...

[@somekami3375]

Time to actually learn these buttons all over again. Gonna have a damn blast time.. *realizes that Shadow Naoto is a character* I don’t think I’ll be going online so much

[@cantufekci23]

Shadow Naoto is a fair and balanced character

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

idk I'm finna play ShadowLab

[@doncinati7644]

There’s a good chance she’s getting nerfed because they’re making a 2.50 vers

[@somekami3375]

@@doncinati7644 in the 2.50 version I think you can’t burst out of the Shadow characters attacks when they’re in frenzy state

[@doncinati7644]

@@somekami3375 that’s so wild lmaooo what

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I'm erring on the side of "This won't have rollback" just to not be disappointed if Atlus ends up doing what Atlus does, but I'm still really glad this game got ported. It doesn't even really look like my type of game, but I'm happy that the community doesn't have to go through 8 million hurdles to attract anyone new now that they can just say "Go buy it on Steam". As a side note, I'm also quite interested in how the meta will develop considering that this is a patch no one outside of Japan even got to play, so there hasn't been a ton of documentation on it

[@nhall129]

Thats probably smart Like i think its definitely possible since it’s a rerelease of a game that hasn’t been on any current consoles (and technically this version just hasnt been on consoles) so they inherently have to change a fair bit of the game, BUT… Who knows since we don’t really know how limited they are in-terms of making changes to the product. Hell, depending on arcsys’s involvement, or lack thereof, we could be screwed lol

[@JTown465]

Considering that both GGXX+R and BlazBlue only got rollback because they legitimized fan-made rollback mods, a PC version of P4A basically means we'll have the possibility of fan-mod rollback eventually.

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

I am also very curious how an international meta will look

[@neoonewingedren1836]

The original game had a good Netcode at least Even if they don't add Rollback

[@fish-kj1dg]

good news

[@Nofixdahdress]

Super excited for this. P4A was the game that got me back into fighting games (casually, but still) in High School after having played a ton of Soul Caliber as a kid. Can't wait to get back to it with the skills, knowledge, and confidence I've gained since.

[@muhammadnour283]

I love the character retrospective videos you do

[@AchedSphinx]

i didn't realize it was the unreleased version from arcades we never got to play. i don't even know what the changes were, though I do remember being hype at the time since I played shadow mitsuru for fun a lot of the time.

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

from what I can tell the characters are mostly just better than they were in the version we got before, just weaker anti-airs and more Shadow shenanigans, you should be fine playing Shadow Mitsuru

[@leoherrera2349]

Always been a persona fan but I was never in the FGC when this came out. Can't wait to try it

[@metis7534]

I was just like this glad I can get the game on steam which will have a more active player base than the ps3

[@Mishimachine]

Kinda cringe thinking about it, but it's what got me into the fgc.

[@skunthundler]

I'm sorry that your first game will be one without rollback.

[@neoonewingedren1836]

@@skunthundler I'm used to play without Rollback

[@megatenshi]

Ultimax 2.5 is extraordinarily cursed, in a very fun way. Even though I prefer Arena over Ultimax, I'm definitely excited for the stupidity to come back

[@chromulus2225]

I've been hyped to try P4 Ultimax after seeing some of your other videos. I just hope they add rollback since if they don't have it I don't think I'll stick with the game for long.

[@KoylTrane]

I wouldn't hope if I were you.

[@daprince001x5]

Whats a rollback?

[@Amsel_616]

@@daprince001x5 in unga bunga words: Good online that barely lags, basically a must have on fighting games

[@neoonewingedren1836]

@@daprince001x5 a thing that make online almost perfect In case of P4AU even If they don't add, If the online is like the original it will be fine because the netcode was really good

[@briepeterson9718]

tekken's anniv is in a few years, i hope they are doing something to make all tekk avail on steam on that yr. i know fans will already want ggpo for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.

[@AbhorrentRose]

I honestly like the fact you uploaded this, I loved watching you play Persona Arena and was always wanting to try it out. It feels great the fgc is thriving with options and pc's getting some love!

[@takohma1056]

I’m rebuying this for me and a couple of my boys so we can get back into it. On ps5 likely. I think I’ll get it for both Xbox and ps5.

[@FGCbaronkorvo]

Just now checking this out after the rollback announcement. Been wanting to try this game out and rollback was enough to tip it over the edge. Looking forward to trying another Arcsys game with rollback, lol

[@BeautyIsDevotion]

Make a Margaret guide! There are lots of new players with an interest in Margaret over in the Ultimax discord server, and we lack any visual guides for the character. You’d be the best person to make it

[@BigBenFTW]

Been playing fighting games my whole life but just got into persona last year, Cannot wait to be apart of this scene

[@Aregulargameplayer]

P4AU is some pure, good kusoge but this version is going to be the 2.5 version from the Japanese arcades and I have no idea how much of a kusoge that version is.

[@coldnova]

I am so goddamn hyped that this got rescued from oblivion. Grimy and insane as it is its my favourite fighting game of all time just for the pure fun factor.

[@Dtricks63]

Fantastic intro to the game! I would say that it’s kinda weird to tell people to “prepare themselves” though? Only because at the end of the day it’s just a video game so get mixed and have fun, don’t be spooked or intimidated by pretty colors on the screen.

[@skyslashnova4308]

I wonder how shadow characters will fare in the new patch now that they have Burst and don't keep the SP for the next round. Probably going to still be strong somewhat but i guess s. Naoto can't just remove your entire Fate counter in one go + Hamaon mix in the first 30 seconds. Might be wrong though (I am extremely casual).

[@ablepedro8586]

I’m hyped about this game I’ve seen how broken the shadows are in the 2.0 version when I played a Japanese version of Ultimax and it’s insane I can’t wait to play this again

[@Maxler5795]

i remember at the start of the year i really wanted to play this so i downloaded RPCSX 3 and had a blast with 30-ish hours clocked in.

[@daprince001x5]

Whats that? A ps3 emulator?

[@Maxler5795]

@@daprince001x5 yup

[@daprince001x5]

@@Maxler5795 you must have a prety good rig

[@TheKesma]

Same, I also use Parsec on PC to play with friends

[@Maxler5795]

@@daprince001x5 month late but hahahaha no i dont. I have a 2012 mac running windows :)

[@NinKenD064]

7:25 BRO WHAT???? There's NO way I would play this in tourney you're actually insane...

[@hcaelBBleach]

Cant wait to pick up yukkiko again. Ill never forget when the lobbys were closing for good a pro yukkiko (doobylovers?) was teaching me some tech. From then on, and from LK, ive been passing info on regardless of salt after games lol

[@acedefective1491]

I fucking love this game just because the characters are so varied and expressive. You can always find a playstyle that suits you and with how the game is balanced. Despite presence of top tiers, as long as you can learn your character properly you can do well

[@mystymos3614]

What a clean character select screen

[@fgcbird]

One of the best UIs of any fighting game

[@ViewtifulStandUser]

Great video LK. Any chance on you making a video covering new system mechanics and character changes for 2.5?

[@javannilogan472]

There sadly isn't going to be roll back from what I have found so far.

[@whoisslade45]

I don’t want a team or tag game but a “gang is all here” fighter like smnt vs persona would be sick

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

Imagine Nahobino kicking down a literal Door for 2 whole rounds, it has high potential, as Nocturne onwards the main characters have a good amount of signature moves

[@invisibleair2156]

this is the dream

[@jpVari]

I want rollback really badly of course, but this was one game that snuck between the Era Fightcade covers and the batch of games that already got released on steam, so I'm just glad to get to try it for the first time. But that will grow ten times if they add rollback, of course.

[@legodawg2001]

Persona 4 Arena Ultimax was THE game that got me into fighters back in 2019 (thanks Moopoke), and made me fall in love with ArcSys fighters in particular. Its why I tried Accent Core +R when that got Rollback, why I followed Strive's development for 2 years, why I picked up Central Fiction when THAT got rollback, and why I'm over the moon to see one of my favorites come back. Thanks Ultimax for getting me into my second favorite genre of games, looking forward to adapting to 2.5 haha

[@giannis_tar]

I am SUPER excited for this. Persona is the only fighting game I managed to get decent at I had absolutely given up on us getting 2.0 though, but now would you look at that

[@YandereGogeta]

Persona 4 Arena Ultimax content in 2021 going into 2022 is what I live for

[@kooperhoy9690]

Is there an article anywhere that outlines the differences between this and the original release?

[@loopygordo]

Unfortunately if there's no rollback I won't be able to play. With my friend and that's all I care about. Really hope there is cause we both love persona 4

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

can't wait to play this game for the first time I only ever got to play the cast in tag

[@CalM383]

I'm excited

[@nKaero]

Never got to play this game but was always on the radar, so kinda excited for this. I know you said it's easy to pick up but it looks daunting as hell at higher levels with the background footage. I know this is hella early but maybe a quick "starter" pack of characters that are easy to pick up for every archetype would be nice. Just so newcomers kinda have a entry point I guess.

[@Sonicboom0075]

Just pick Narukami if you're new.

[@soarinduscai]

You playing the arena games is what made me want to join the FGC. If this game comes back on the scene in a healthy way it would be amazing. Til then I’m just gonna keep sweating on strive

[@B3b0p]

Hoping that this opens a door for them to remaster all the other Persona games (including 1&2) seeing as most are hard to find, especially 1&2’s price for the PS1. Not to mention seeing 3&4 remastered in graphics like P5

[@metalgamer21]

I'm so hyped for the port. I had this game when it first came out but none of my friends were into fighting games so it basically just collected dust after I finished story mode. Now I finally have an excuse to learn this one and I'll have people to play it with! Plzzzzz give us rollback ArcSys

[@jonatanp.1976]

3:38 LK kinda drippin rn hold on

[@Drakkyr]

I can’t wait to play Kanji again! Only grappler I like, but that’s because Kanji is one of my favorite characters in P4.

[@arachnofiend2859]

How did they buff shadows in the final version? Did they give them their burst back, and if so what makes them different than just a better version of a normal character?

[@angelods417]

Speaking of moves not being used getting buffed, I'm surprised sol's mob cemetery in ggst hasn't got buffed yet

[@heavymetalmixer91]

Yo LK, what do you think about the balance thing? Would you preffer the 1.1 balance? The arcade one? Or a new one overall? I'm asking this 'cause I'm really worried that the "kusoge" version ends up scaring many new players to the game.

[@polar6066]

iirc its getting a exclusive one for pc

[@heavymetalmixer91]

@@polar6066 From what I was told, the 2.5 is just bugfixes for 2.0, so it's the same thing balance-wise.

[@checkmate8849]

Super hyped. I love persona franchise.

[@StringedYak]

So which characters are the high execution swaggy ones?

[@matarakuja7652]

In my dreams they would have released vanilla arena with a balance patch to go along with it

[@jscriber100]

Let me help you out LK, its the type of game we didn't know we needed. As someone who's played SMT and thrives off fighting games, I can't believe I haven't played Arena.

[@loki-ul3rs]

If atlus doesn't put rollback for ultimax I hope fans find a way to implement it like they did with dengeki, it will become a discord game but that's so much better compared to how its literally dead

[@thegoose8663]

Does this game have a dash button?

[@thepear6684]

Could you make a guide on the Axe bull girl?

[@kitestar]

I’m still confused why they are using denuvo for a fighting game

[@Friskybusiness1]

been wanting to play this game forever but never bothered due to its nature of being locked to older hardware, super fucking pumped to try it for real now.

[@noelcactus9178]

I'd love to see you do a retrospective on Narukami the torturer of P4A and P4AU

[@AngelGel01]

Does LK have a beginner guide for this game?

[@Ixs4i]

been waiting for this vid since the game was announcced im hyped as fuck

[@SomniaCE]

There is no way it has rollback. They'd have said so right away if it did

[@paul2609]

I wonder if they would make new fighting controllers for this game.

[@kalecraft8906]

I'm excited for this game because there's a good chance I'll be bad at it but that doesn't matter because its also the story sequel to Persona 4 and Golden was the best game I played this year

[@neoonewingedren1836]

@@starbreaker6441 nah He will Actually the only thing that can get confusing is Labrys origin but the Arena story itself feels like a canon version of P4A story even thought both are canon

[@daviddeutsch9912]

Can’t wait to finally play this game!! Wish it had rollback

[@HJayZ91]

It's gonna be the latest arcade version that never made it to consoles right?

[@ursmarrings27]

Will there be a video involving the 2.5 patch notes for characters in detail before the launch or nah?

[@mankypotato3412]

I played it at a arcade it’s so good and so fun to play

[@sonictrain1]

Wait this isn't the SEAM 2016 P4U winner...

[@Zeph_1000]

Definitely gonna look out for the vid that talks a bit about how to pick a character from who's available. There's a lot of fgs on the table for my wallet, but I'd like to take a look at this one if there's hope for good netcode

[@farce2734]

LK's Margaret gonna return again?

[@FoiledYetAgain]

As a massive p4 fan around the time of arena being announced, the biggest thing i remember was us in EU being screwed over by atlus not having a european publisher resulting in the game releasing a year late over here (importing wasn't an option either because they made the amazing choice of region locking the ps3 version) so I lost interest by the time the game did arrive. Ultimax was better in this regard but was still a month late so chances for a playerbase were a lot lower so I'm glad I can just finally play this game properly, I am concerned about whether or not there is rollback though.

[@mon_tizzle4110]

What changed in 2.0 to 2.5 I can't find a 2.5 vers patch notes anywhere

[@LordDio]

no one knows yet

[@stephen827]

song name?

[@MC_HANDROLLED]

How is the game balance wise?

[@doroz015]

I really want to get this cuz I love persona, but idk if its worth or how long it'll actually have active players on pc

[@Sativa989]

Ill give benefit of doubt but if it is what i am expecting no love for blazblue? Rollback beta?

[@nathanieljones8043]

I still can't believe they showed the best reveal at the beginning at the game awards wasn't a fan of persona 4 at the time but I loved persona 4 arena. But in the way I loved street fighter 2 played one set of friendlies with my normies friends and then never again cause no one nearby held tourneys

[@Stanzbey69]

Is it on ps5? I can’t find it on the ps store

[@removelimitbreak7524]

The hype is mad real. If there's no rollback netcode imma be mad sadge

[@user-op2bh7rc9z]

I feel like we won’t get arena until P6 it just wouldn’t make sense any other way since both are beyond overdue.

[@SaberToothPortilla]

I mean, I wouldn't say P6 is "overdue". There have been pretty long gaps between some of the other games. I guess it has been about 5 years since the original P5 released, but I think they'll probably push for P6 on current gen consoles. I could easily see a 2023 release at earliest.

[@MC_HANDROLLED]

You must be new to Altus? 😭

[@NemSumeragi]

When's the Igor DLC tho 🤔

[@n64central]

Does this game have auto combos? I remember P4A vanilla did

[@zelion_10]

I really wished they brought in p3 protag

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

Are you still going to play bbcf just to try its rollback on Steam?

[@jayishikawa4150]

Can't believe they're releasing this now lmao

[@shiawasagi]

so, I had a question about the version. Remaster version says 2.50, but if you go to the arcade version website, last news is about 2.02. Was there 2.5 arcade and they just never updated the website, is remaster actually a newer version compared to arcade, or are they just increasing the version number because it's console/pc release?

[@sammydray5919]

Its gonna be like melty blood type lumina. People are gonna hype it up, pick it up for a few weeks and then drop it and move along. Man its been a while since LK made a melty video huh

[@Ace00349]

Wasn't the final arcade version 2.0, not 2.5?

[@LordDio]

yes, 2.50 will be based off 2.0 with more changes

[@chuckin6823]

"what type of game is it?" a good one :)

[@boringinu2077]

short answer：kusoge

[@TheFoolTohru]

"Magatsu Mangle them!".

[@nebbycute]

I've been watching you and Moopoke about P4A and P4AU, and it seems pretty fun but one thing that worries me is that Shadow Characters have IK's and I am worried my friends will completely drop the game because of it, does it happen that often? Or is it a thing that you see pretty rarely if you are a Player with fundamentals and knowledge?

[@LordDio]

every characters has ik's, just shadow naoto is the only one with practical setups for it

[@Nofixdahdress]

Every character has a BB/GG style IK, but almost all of them are unusable in a real match. Naoto and Elizabeth have supers with IK properties, but even then only Shadow Naoto has a practical setup for it. Normal Naoto will never have the meter to pull off the setup. It takes 150 meter, and outside of awakening the max meter you can get is 100, so for Naoto to do it she has to get to below 30% health herself while at max meter, then gain another 50 meter without dying/killing the opponent, then land a hit, do the setup, and even then its still a 50/50, not a guaranteed kill. Shadow Naoto's insta-kill setups are more frequent because of how Frenzy works. Shadow characters get semi-infinite meter while they have Frenzy active, so once she has 100 meter and low enough Fate counters (the resource that determines whether her insta-kill supers will actually kill) she can guarantee the setup off almost any touch. That's what allows her to steal games with it, the ease of access. Even then, she's generally considered mid-tier I believe. The robbery is obnoxious, but she isn't particularly strong aside from it. The Naoto's are also not easy to just pick up and start cheesing people with. Her bullets are a resource like Happy Chaos and Eltnum, and one of her main mechanics is a shooting stance that removes her movement, forces her to fire at specific angles, and requires stance cancelling for combos. If someone wants to run around doing Hamaon setups and being a menace, they have to sink some real time into the character first. And Elizabeths Mahamaon and Mamudoon (her insta kill supers) each have over 600 frames of startup. You will never get hit by them.

[@weepingninja]

@@Nofixdahdress bruh once you have the fate counters down, Naoto's autocombo (which has a low for the 2nd hit btw) ends in the instant kill.

[@neoonewingedren1836]

They nerfed Shadow Naoto in the patch 2.0 that was Japan only for arcades This port will have it

[@madhatterarts1506]

yall is this xrd / cf levels of kusoge? i can tolerate that but maybe not prbftg levels

[@SalamandrS]

I excited for the switch release

[@Slybandito7]

The answer to the title is kusoge

[@eduardoserpa1682]

It's definitely not a game for me (specially without regional pricing or rollback), but I'm happy for people who like it. Between BBCF and Strive, I'm pretty much set for a long time.

[@foadmoalem4908]

What type of game? A fun one

[@KuroShiiiiro]

good one.. i love how it plays, the variety is insane, an the story mode is unironically mad interesting. esp adachi's side arc 🙏🏽 edit:you said Shadow Ken is going to be better?? 😳 YESSSS that was my main but i realized Ken was jus... better.. an then i realized Yu & Adachi are better lol. i hope Shadow Ken & Koromaru is better cus i LOVE that char. i remember some of their combos too 🤣🤣 i like how your Margaret looks tho... she looks mad fun. i wanted to try Elizabeth too 🤔 ugh i legit may cycle thru the roster

[@jasonsantiago6308]

A fucking awesome one Aki Gang 4 Lyfe