What was Mark Meadows burning in his fireplace? Cassidy Hutchinson takes on former boss

Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson joins Nicolle Wallace to discuss her new book, "Enough" and what has happened since she testified in front of the January 6th Select Committee last summer.
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#MarkMeadows #CassidyHutchinson #WhiteHouse

[@tarmaque]

This woman needs to be protected at all costs.

[@robinlware]

MSNBC is using her for propaganda

[@davidrhinehart7764]

Why?

[@danni1993]

@@davidrhinehart7764 Why not?

[@brupeboring]

@@davidrhinehart7764 are you playinng dumb or are you really dumb

[@DrSbaitsojr]

Cassidy Hutchinson was okay with trump until jan 6. she is no hero

[@ryanreedgibson]

One young lady has more balls than the entire republican party.

[@scabcrawler632]

You like balls on women? Go figure 🏳️‍🌈

[@ord4r857]

What are her pronouns?

[@b.t.2795]

McCarthy's are in MTG's possession. 😬

[@3ld919]

@@ord4r857 Do you mind explaining to me why the right is so obsessed with other people's sexuality and trans people? It's really creepy.

[@3ld919]

Ovaries are the new testicles in the Trump era.

[@mikeallen6784]

This is why I love Nicole Wallace. She knows what goes on in the White House and she calls out her interview subjects when they are leaving important facts out. Amazing insights. Thank you!

[@Flowerprincess323]

I’m highly impressed with this poised, well spoken young woman. She is intelligent, articulate, and measured with her words. I see great things in her future.

[@kelperdude]

They've had her on a lot. Her book must be tanking.

[@Flowerprincess323]

@@kelperdude wow, that’s a stupid comment! Clearly you know nothing about book promotion.

[@Flowerprincess323]

@@dfrank3943 the air is thick with ignorance since you posted your comment.

[@tab5470]

@@kelperdude only to the MAGAts

[@tab5470]

@@dfrank3943 hmm , MAGAT troll!

[@niclewis9610]

Cassidy has more intestinal fortitude and bravery than any of those morally bereft cowardly Republicans.

[@brucecampbell4528]

Like the Democrats who left Coke at the Whitehouse.

[@thepotatofuhrer2991]

Wood...

[@scabcrawler632]

🤡

[@TaytesHugeCaulk]

You triggered the Sybilz lol

[@wendymartin8269]

​@@brucecampbell4528it was Don Jr's

[@lightwillprevail]

Thank you for the very interesting and insightful interview Nicolle! And thank you for telling the truth Cassidy Hutchinson 👍

[@Jerry-tv4bg]

How bout this bit of truth biden home in Delaware received wire transfers from china 😂wait joe told us he never got any money from china

[@scabcrawler632]

Baaaaa sheep baaaaaaa

[@b.t.2795]

​@@scabcrawler632 Having a McConnell moment grandma? 🤯

[@brupeboring]

@@scabcrawler632 is that your cult mating call

[@mikekelley2877]

​@@scabcrawler632speak English, not Russian.

[@KPVFarmer]

I wish ALL politicians had half the integrity and fortitude she has!!! 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

[@dtschuor459]

I just love Nicolle Wallace and her genuinely intelligent insights. She’s smart, knowledgeable, even tempered, and a superb host. Great program from a GOP member that I can respect and trust with zero reservations.

[@terryreynolds200]

She is a great interviewer and is passionate about ridding our country of MAGA, with poise and grace....

[@jsmith-jones1684]

Love Nicolle too, and btw she is a FORMER GOP "Wallace described herself as a "self-loathing former Republican" in March 2021."

[@MrBreeze66]

You have to be kidding, she is about as bright as a box of rocks.

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

I agree. I love her too. Nicolle Wallace is a champion; she is a treasure.

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

She also has a great voice, like a mum explaining stuff. Pretty too.

[@yourmamalikesmacncheese]

What was Meadows burning? Let's use logic and reason. You burn things that you don't want anyone seeing. You also flush things down the toilet that you don't want anyone seeing.

[@markkasprzyk3287]

Amazing how people need zero evidence of meadows burning anything and just believe it but hunter Biden laptop, IRS whistle blowers, actual business partners of the bidens comic clean and no mention!!!

[@bethanyhealy4989]

and that is a bad thing? I guess they could have taken them home and put them in their garage next to their cars. Would that make you happier?

[@eclectrickery8077]

@@bethanyhealy4989 As opposed to taking them home and putting them in the bathroom next to your toilet, you mean?

[@beereal2514]

We knew that was more than crap going down Trumps toilet when he complained about having to flush their toilets multiple times.

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

@@eclectrickery8077 Bravo!!! Well said!

[@maryshkamiceli8388]

I'm glad to see Ms. Hutchinson holding her head high, not retreating from the chaos caused by Trump. Kudos to this strong woman.

[@bethanyhealy4989]

It takes a strong woman to talk about burn bags.

[@user-uc9nu1yn1n]

She is a deep state propagandist, spewing her rehearsed lines of lies and deceit. Keep on supporting the real corruption and getting tricked by these puppets.

[@janicenelson7639]

​@@bethanyhealy4989 < As a MAGAt troll, you wouldn't know about strength and courage. ByeP01135809ByeMAGAts!

[@clarencehastings37]

So proud of Cassidy for being a true American patriot and standing up to the mob boss and Maga turds!!!

[@robertlee8805]

"MAGA turds" A good call.

[@benjamindoverr3455]

Cassidy has more courage than all of the rest of the Republican party combined. She is also wise beyond her years. Question is - why can't Republican's see that she's exactly correct about Trump and the threat he continues to pose to America?

[@girlfromthebronxbywayofelb7288]

What I have heard is that approximately 30% of the republican base supports this jerk. Please remember that the Republican party is the minority of the USA population, not the majority. That's why they never win the popular vote. So about one third of the minority, right? And that assumes that these early polls are correct. Polls were wrong in 2016 and 2022, so.... That doesn't mean that anyone should be complacent, but I think we need to remember that very loud and very weird gets a lot of attention, beyond the size of their true numbers. Let's keep our heads down, make voting plans, do the work on candidate development up and down the ballot, voter registration drives, etc. Let's stay focused, do the work, and avoid getting distracted by loud shiny objects, then let's see where we are Dec 2023. Stay aware, stay voting. 🗽💙🌊🗽

[@benwong8952]

All Republicans are coward they(GOP) can't stand against trump their mob boss.

[@RobotDecoy]

No the question is: where was this "courage" when she in her own words saw things that felt wrong? In the moment she chose her job, after they left office she chose safety, and now that she was falling into the background she's choosing money

[@oldrrocr]

So now that trump has been found to have committed fraud, can we NOW prevent him from being president? or does it have to be "treason"?

[@Marty_Wanlass]

Actually, I do appreciate what she is doing now, but she somewhat reminds me of Pence.....He did the right thing when he had to.

[@user-dl1xw3bg5h]

It's really nice to hear a Republican be a serious person. In time, i hope she comes over to the left where we respect intelligent women.

[@kelperdude]

you don't seem to respect the women in sports when you want to men in their locker rooms.

[@shailalikecher]

@@kelperdude you mean transwomen. CLEARLY you are ignorant!

[@shailalikecher]

we respect intelligent women.. I wonder who she is going to be when she is more grown up. if she stays republican.. and plays ball with the other Republicans..or she comes to the left.. let's wait and see who she will be.

[@marksvideochannel3592]

I hope she stays republican. To have your democracy survive, Republicans will need clever, switched-on, intelligent people at some stage....hopefully sooner rather than later.

[@gloonnug4797]

I wonder how many women were killed being pushed across the border? Do you care to know what the prince of Saudi Arabia does to his women? Joe Biden knows.. he’s recently seen it and the liberal news couldn’t care less 🤯

[@leannevandekew1996]

I worked as a model in New York and at the McDonalds on East 47th in Manhattan (neither pays well). He would invite models to his restaurant in Trump Tower (the food was crap.) Ironically, he would show up at McDonalds the same night.. He would slowly order an obscene amount of food: 2 Big Macs, 2 Quarter Pounders and 2 Filet-O-Fish, regularly . I thought he was an i/dd adult. I would ask him if it was all for him. He replied : " You bet, Honey. You're too pretty to work here. How old are you, Honey?" He's a creep. I was 15. He was in his 60's and obese.

[@terryreynolds200]

SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.

[@Gabbyness41]

@@terryreynolds200sounds about white.

[@DNADoesntLie]

Things that never happened for $100, Alex🙄

[@leannevandekew1996]

@@DNADoesntLie Do you only speak in witless clichés.

[@leannevandekew1996]

@@DNADoesntLie Only children and the elderly use emoji.

[@ltho5616]

Trump is not the sole problem, the GOP as evolved is the problem.

[@terryreynolds200]

The one thing that DON taught the GOP was how to make up BS and lies. They also learned if you tell a new lie everyday, the other lies dissipate...

[@jeremiah1412]

Trump is a huge part of the problem. He enabled so much, including making us easier to lie during speeches. But then, his supporters would have to care if he was a liar or not. And they don’t care that he’s a liar

[@bethanyhealy4989]

Are you happy the way the left has evolved? Spending so much on climate which they can't control no matter what. All the money that would go to the poor is now going to immigrants. Say we took the money going to the immigrants and the money going towards climate were to go to the american poor maybe we could wipe out poverty in this country.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

Not only is Trump not the sole problem, I'd go further and say he's not the problem at all. The problem are all of his genius voters. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I was stunned to see just how dumb as a nation we are to actually be fooled by Trump. When Trump finally takes a dirt nap, there will be yet another con man who any smart person can see them for who they are, yet once again, that con man will be able to fool a large percentage of the population. Don't want that to happen? We need to educate our people. Is it any wonder in Florida they're literally banning books???

[@user-uc9nu1yn1n]

The media and swamp (owned by big tech) using the people as targets of brainwashing instead of rational agents of democracy is. America 1776-2020 was a great run, now on to Life 3.0 by big tech AI.

[@ricklichau9176]

Cassidy Hutchinson is a true American hero! she is showing what it means to be a patriot who chooses We The People over power-hungry corrupt politicians!

[@Nic1Moreno]

He was burning the divorce between him and Hunter....95% of Republicans keep crying Hunter like some bad ex lover dumped them

[@b.t.2795]

Hunter is the GOP's pacifier for their base and to overshadow Trump's crimes.

[@Muttinchopsforeverandalways]

They like the hunter pictures.

[@rtqii]

The really crave Hunter's Hog.

[@Nic1Moreno]

@@Muttinchopsforeverandalways why don't you even look to find the story?? In October 2020, a controversy arose involving data from a laptop that belonged to Hunter Biden that was abandoned at a Delaware computer shop in 2019. John Paul Mac Isaac, the shop owner, said that the laptop was left by a man who identified himself as Hunter Biden. The proprietor also stated that he is legally blind and could not be sure whether the man was actually Hunter Biden.Three weeks before the 2020 United States presidential election, the New York Post published a front-page story that presented emails from the laptop, alleging they showed corruption by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. According to the New York Post, the story was based on information provided to Rudy Giuliani, the personal attorney of incumbent president and candidate Donald Trump, by Mac Isaac.Forensic analysis later authenticated some of the data from the laptop, including one of two key emails used by the Post in their initial reporting. ****WOW....SO EASY TO FIND YET YOUR TO STUPID TO LOOK

[@MrBreeze66]

Hunter was just a way to get daddy, he was the front man for the old man.

[@palace927]

Rusty Bowers stated, " I would vote for Trump again". That is the definition of insanity.

[@AuroraMeansDawn27]

I want to know who Meadows was on the phone with, when Cassiday kept trying to open the car door. Also why did all of the traitors ask for pardons,

[@c.madden6894]

Putin?

[@jssomewhere6740]

Cassidy is an American hero. She deserves medals and high praise. She should have a job with the federal government for as long as she wants or needs one.

[@MrShobar]

Before you put her on a pedestal, remember that she faithfully followed that reptile known as tRump.

[@doug6723]

I'm not sure about that. Sure she spoke up. But initially she lied. She said she loved Trump. She went along with a lot of Trump's and Meadows crimes until a year AFTER Trump was out of office.

[@kelperdude]

She can be the head of the hearsay dept.

[@jamessimpson927]

​@@kelperdudethat job only exists in Maga world...

[@shondrawhite9317]

​@@kelperdudeshe was in the room. How is that hearsay? She was there. She worked there ffs. Define hearsay

[@Malmo117]

No telling what all these criminals have burned, flushed, buried, deleted, etc…. They are traitors and criminals and need to be held accountable.

[@therealdarrenlwilliams2183]

I would take Hutchinson's words even further and say that we (Americans) need to believe that Trump belongs in federal custody awaiting trial and that he is unfit to ever hold public office again.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

5103-trollbot - USA inflation is lower than most of the world. New cars were about 3k and gas was 30 cents when I was little. Inflation is part of life. Get over it. If you think Right wingers care if regular people are struggling, you are a fool.

[@Littlebigbot]

Why on earth would you believe someone who lied under oath? By the way, Trump will be your next president darren my boy.

[@therealdarrenlwilliams2183]

@@friendofcheapergas5103 The overturning of Roe v Wade alone will exact a heavy toll on significant Republican victories including the former puppet leader

[@susanhewitt6359]

Agreed. I'm getting very disheartened that the judges aren't tossing Trump's orange butt in jail until his trial! That threat against General Milley should have been the last straw. I just don't get it!

[@therealdarrenlwilliams2183]

@@susanhewitt6359 it’s sickening that he still walks as a free man and even more sickening are the die-hard supporters who continue to support him and make excuses for him. They’re as corrupt and morally bankrupt as he is. He belongs in a prison cell for the remainder of his natural life.

[@thewolfdoctor761]

This morning Cassidy said, "We need to make sure the closest Trump gets to the White House again is the federal courthouse." Then in this interview she said, "I haven't made my mind up who I would support if Donald trump is the nominee." What ? Why ? If she can't say that she would support Biden against trump then she is a big disappointment.

[@edvh88]

She still chose to work for him. She isn’t great, just better than most of the others in the swamp.

[@janettechapple1782]

I think she is guarding her words. I think this is a mountain of a problem for her, seeing as how she is a republican. I hope she takes Liz Cheney as a role model and vote for 5h3 right person for the job, regardless of party affiliations.

[@thewolfdoctor761]

@@edvh88 Not much better if she would support trump.

[@robertlee8805]

There's those NUTTY MAGA FOLLOWERS she's concerned about. Didn't you understand that point she made?

[@kendallsmith1458]

What truly sorry choices we have made for ourselves

[@smallvillefan72]

All due respect to Ms. Hutchinson, its a lost cause to try to reach the Republican base. They are lost. You are not going to change anyone's mind. All we can do is vote and god help us, defeat them or lose our democracy.

[@turkwendell6904]

This isn't a democracy it's a republic.

[@turkwendell6904]

Plus your can't even explain your reasoning

[@nkel6111]

god....he is amused. just heard her chuckle

[@larryross1819]

The real problems that soul less democrat Joe and his democrat friends have wrought on our country are destroying the USA. Yesterday millions of Americans had to make a choice, gas in the car or food to eat. That would be $6/gallon for gas or food that has gone up 11% in the last year. On 4/28/2020 oil was $12.34 per barrel, today oil is $92.30 per barrel. In the next year the price of gasoline might double. With 7,000,000 illegal aliens having invaded our country since Joe took over, and invited the illegal aliens in, the real wages have gone down for those on the lower end of the pay scale. In 2023 over 400 companies have gone bankrupt, gone forever. Add to that disaster inflation of 8% per year, most Americans are getting poorer every day. Inflation is so bad they now use gold bars to bribe politicians! Crime is through the roof because you can steal $999 from Target and no one stops you. Democrat run Chicago has about 1 murder every day and almost none of the murderers every see a courtroom. Rich men north of Richmond includes the politicians, the government employees and the lobbyists. The useful idiots that listen to the main stream media think that Trump is the biggest problem in the USA, nope!!!XXX

[@phillipaclemons7261]

@turkwendell6904 If you attended school past 6th grade you should know a Democracy is: 1) A state for the people and by the people 2) Has seperate and co equal branches of government 3) has 2 or more political parties 3) has regular elections to decide which party holds power The USA has all these elements. If it didn’t, it would be a dictatorship like Russia, or a one party state like China or Cuba

[@yapdog]

Nnnnope. If you actually care about our democracy, Joe Biden is the only choice regardless of your party.

[@Littlebigbot]

We're not a "democracy". Didn't you learn that in high school?

[@Tes7000]

Ignoring popular opinion and allowing in untold millions of illegals with the intention of giving them amnesty for the purpose of creating a one-party blue socialist country is not my idea of democracy.

[@edvh88]

@@Tes7000I know so many immigrants who are republicans, maybe inform yourself

[@yapdog]

@@Tes7000 That's good then, since none of that is actually happening. You really need to get your head out of right wing "news."

[@yapdog]

@@Littlebigbot Bless your heart.

[@TheRoxinatoR]

Poor kid really had to grow up fast. I admire her prey for her well-being this is a lot to go through at such a young age

[@mtaylor7307]

She is well composed. I appreciate her sensibilities to be so young.

[@JusticeFALL-USA]

Cassidy stepped forward with her testimony that displayed 'HONESTY and INTEGRITY,' EXTREMELY PROUD OF HER!

[@b.t.2795]

​@friendofcheapergas5103 She never said they were under audit like Trump did grandma. I hope she makes a ton of money and writes a script for documentaries about Trump and his cronies four years of chaos at the White House.

[@brupeboring]

@friendofcheapergas5103 ignorant comment but hey at least you are consistent

[@phillipaclemons7261]

@friendofcheapergas5103 Envious she is going to make a heap of money with a book. Sad

[@Littlebigbot]

How exactly did she "display honesty and integrity"? She lied under oath. Once you do that your testimony is meaningless.

[@donefornow.]

​@@friendofcheapergas5103can we see yours?👈👈

[@op3129]

I'm trying to imagine what Meadows thought happened to docs placed in burn bags. (also, the only way to "smell of smoke" using a fireplace is to effing overload it)

[@c.madden6894]

Is the smoke affected by the ink or paper used for classified documents?

[@juddpoland2557]

What a unique, profound, and admirable person Cassidy Hutchinson is. Gives hope to America.

[@Andy-ov9qd]

Not at all, she figured out what ship to jump on in order to stay relevant. Tomorrow you will forge her just like you forgot Cheany who was rejected by her State with historic 40 points...

[@meself349]

Hope for America? 😂😂😂😂

[@Destiny-bt7oi]

Fascinating 12 minutes! Thank you Nicolle and Cassidy ❤

[@tamakazura1]

Excellent interview - thanks Nicole for asking the right questions and for giving Ms Hutchinson the space to speak thoughtfully in reply. Thank you to Ms Hutchinson for taking doing the right thing!

[@janebishop5885]

Well, what a disappointment that she would still vote for a Republican who did not raise his hand in favor of Trump if he was the nominee. Does this smart girl not understand that the Republican Party is the problem if they support Trump despite his many crimes??? Or even to vote independent knowing that could be a wasted vote giving Trump a win. I'm certainly disappointed in Ms. Hutchinson.!!!

[@Marty_Wanlass]

In some ways she is similar to Pence. Does the right thing when pushed to, but otherwise, still riding the KoolAid train.

[@kathylandry1783]

Her inability to say she wouldn't vote for Trump if he is the republican nominee, completely cancels out for me, all of the good she is supposedly trying to do - even making a mockery of it. And means she hasn't learned much, and hasn't changed much. Instead, she used that phrase that so many republicans say when asked if they'll vote for Trump: "I'm not going to address a hypothetical situation". It's a highly possible, if not likely situation that Trump will be the nominee. To me it means she'll vote for Trump and deliver the country over to him which is sickening to say the least. She just doesn't want to say it, and thinks she can just deflect and we won't notice? Deeply offensive! she talks the talk of feeling badly that she was complicit, but then she's willing to commit the most complicit act of all...to vote for him after everything. And I couldn't even understand her garbled word salad at the end, about she won't endorse a democrat, or a republican, or write anyone in...? I've been watching all her interviews this week and was so deeply impressed and hopeful, now I'm totally disillusioned and don't want to hear another word she utters. She seems so confused and divided. Please consider some therapy Cassidy, so that you can decide consistently who you are and what you stand for.

[@robertlee8805]

With all the looney MAGA followers and far right house repuklicans and the dumb ^sses out there she's probably staying safe not going in any direction where it might cause those NUTTY FOLKS to .not.. (You fill in the Blank).

[@stewartbrooks9340]

@@kathylandry1783 Agreed. With that reluctance , she is just a CYA who did the right thing when she didn't want to go down with the ship.

[@yosf5221]

Watch it again. You misunderstood her.

[@lynbeck2359]

Cassidy behaves well under pressure__can’t write someone in this election! Our democracy depends on democrats and independents today.

[@kelperdude]

djts support grows more every day.

[@mf7482]

Please don't misunderstand me when I say this, but there still is on the paper ballot, a place for writing in the candidate you want on your voting ballot. I hope to God that Trump's name is removed from ballots. But that wouldn't stop his base of followers, they could write in his name at the place for write in candidates. But then at least even if all 50 states don't get to remove his name, hopefully there will be enough states, each state has their # of votes toward the Electoral College count, enough states with enough votes in the College denies him the chance to accumulate to win that portion of the vote, so that he could not have a chance to win. That was the only way he won out the 2 times thus far, against Hillary Clinton.

[@Littlebigbot]

Didn't you take a political science or civics class? We are NOT a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.

[@Tes7000]

A write-in may not be necessary. Donald Trump is clearly likely to win the Republican primaries, but his mountain of legal troubles could result in a different Republican nominee.

[@mf7482]

@@Tes7000 I was talking about the November 2024 election itself, not just the state primaries between January through June 2024.

[@timetreasures557]

Ms Hutchinson, you are simply hugely awesome

[@maxinekelly8417]

Great interview Ladies much respect to you both Democracy Matters. Nicole great show as always 🇦🇺🇦🇺❤️❤️👍👍💙💙💙💙💙

[@T33...]

Thank you,Nicole for this interview .. Thank you,Cassidy for your sense of honor, as well as your bravery ... May you be safe...

[@SAMTHINKS2]

She acts pretty noble for someone who watched years of negative Trump stories and still thought he was a great guy. She knew from the Jim Comey testimony there was some weird "loyalty" thing going on in that White House.

[@jeez297]

Better late than never

[@mmi16]

too soon old, too late smart, that being said, better to get smart later than never.

[@jimbaranski4687]

The fact that she was late facing the reality that Tramp was a disaster, indicates that she does not have a firm grasp of reality. Even the best of the Republicans will support all kinds of nonsense, until they reach the last straw. We need government that will not put up with ANY NONSENSE! Vote them ALL OUT!

[@mtaylor7307]

She was barely a legal adult. She's matured rapidly.

[@BrianAbbot-pk5mf]

Lol. Mark Meadows was burning his future..

[@siouxrose7766]

... And what did Trump need 10 attempts to flush down the toilet?

[@b.t.2795]

Classified documents he couldn't sell. 😜

[@therealrhodiemx]

That might be why he kept talking about toilets at his rallies, You know toilets, sometimes you have to flush them 3 or 4 or 5 times, the water pressure just isn't there!😂😂😂😂

[@siouxrose7766]

@@therealrhodiemx --the criminal (mind) always returns to the scene of the crime. Yep!

[@travisporco]

Well there's a good question. Nothing says "innocence" like burning documents.

[@cbeautifulworld11]

With her until the end when she couldn't clearly say that she would not support trump if he were the nominee.

[@sandyquino2015]

She actually did not say that, she said she can't imagine a scenario where she would support him. She's firmly against trump!! You seriously think she would sit there and say it's the end of our democracy if Trump were elected, n yet be hesitant whether she'd vote for him?? Please perhaps rewatch, this lady is a true patriot through n through! When she was asked if she'd vote democrat over trump, it doesn't mean she'd support Trump. There's such thing as a write in or not voting at all if she just couldn't support either. Perhaps you misinterpreted her meaning of options

[@kellysanchez1000]

Admitting she lied or was willing to "not remember" but then deciding, no - I do remember and Im going to tell the truth - is all I need to hear. I trust everything she says.

[@Littlebigbot]

So lying under oath means nothing to you. Wow.

[@whalesong999]

The lady has a strong moral compass, no doubt got her through those days and will be more important now. She can articulate her feelings and is careful not to deliberately demean others.

[@thefunpolice]

She makes for a superb witness, utterly credible.

[@jonathanoctober750]

At 27 years old having such a job she had. The power that must have filled her head! She loved it, and now she's saving herself once the party ended. No honor amongst thieves!

[@oldscribe6153]

What a pity Nicole felt she had to feed words to Cassidy. WHY?

[@michaelwillingham7791]

Strong young women!! We need more people like her

[@jeez297]

This Canadian hopes she'll be President when she's old enough ❤

[@michaelratcliffe7559]

We keep hearing about poll numbers but we also have a fairly long track record with polls that demonstrate that they can no longer be counted on to be accurate reflections of how people will actually vote. People that I know who faithfully supported Trump in the past now tell me that they will not vote for him in the primary and do not want him to be in the ballot in 2024. So i find it hard to believe that he is gaining popularity in the polls.

[@Opinionsrnotfacts574]

How did such a wonderful person like Cassidy get caught up with the Trump Administration freak show of characters?

[@57highland]

Perhaps it was by mutual consent.

[@meself349]

"wonderful person" and Republican seem mutually exclusive

[@CLee-hx8mx]

Brains, ambition, beauty! Total package Obvi❤😅😅 Smart enough to take advantage of youth...I admire this young woman.

[@richardshaw6664]

She's very insightful, and I solidly support her stance. That DOESN'T make her "a wonderful person," tho...

[@generationofswine-ge5rw]

Didn't want to believe they were as corrupt as everyone warned they were.

[@Diana-jx1ju]

She is strong and I think, very influential! She is exemplary of the person with high ideals who's learned that having been mislead, she can still pursue truth and justice without betraying those ideals!

[@karolyndurrenmatt9772]

If it were newspapers, he wouldnt be the one to burn them. I suppose he had more important things to do.

[@b.t.2795]

Natural place if he read the newspapers would be the paper recycling bin. Where there's smoke there's fire.

[@CQ-369]

If he was a democrat burning unknown papers, not trusting burn bags wild theories circulating on R social media. Everything from The original satanic bible to UFO Proof positive.

[@Scarter63]

This is a great interview!

[@michaeljohnangel6359]

"We have to start believing Trump; he's showing us who he is." WOW!! Brilliantly said by Ms Hutchinson!

[@mvvpro8688]

"Not everyone had bad intentions." What a comment from someone right in the center of the White House during the post-election period.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

Good example for conservative women. They need to realize that trumpism is not conservatism. The combination of the violent threats, and the lack of concern from so many conservatives who should know better, should turn any sane person into at least an independent.

[@unggrabb]

Exposing what the office of a malignant narcissist quickly develops into. Scary stuff

[@susheela108]

EPOCH TIMES ads on here are LIES! LIES! LIES

[@ericelliott227]

Thank you Nicole for everything you are doing. Cassidy is a star witness, if you will. I'm also very impressed that she has come forward and is trying to ground herself in her beliefs. What she did was NOT easy! I noticed something during the interview. From the perspective of a former anti-cult operative of many moons ago I saw some signs that prompted me to think, "I hope she is in some therapy to help her". I was catching something in the way she speaks. I know she is measuring her words as one would do if possibly being called upon as a witness or what have you, but there is something else under that. It is common among fresh cult survivors. In lay speak it is called secondary confusion. It is when the person has been out of a cult situation for maybe a year or so and is now starting to second guess themselves as to their truth and "loyalties". Kind of similar to Stockholm syndrome, but not nearly as dramatic. This is a vulnerable time and talk therapy is usually the good answer to help the individual keep perspective and confirm that leaving was the only correct decision. I want Cassidy to be very well. People (or as I call them, "creatures") like Trump are extremely dangerous to anyone in their circle personally. They are the most dangerous form of sociopath. There is no hope or cure for them. They are locked in because they have practiced their whole life in perfecting their ways. Some therapist won't even see a malignant narcissist even if they wanted therapy (which will never happen anyway) because of the extreme danger those people present. They can have a strong hold on individuals even a year after the person is out of range. The individual starts to question themselves. For example: "Gee, should I have stayed loyal, maybe I would have felt better had I done so"? "Gee, did I really do the right thing here"? Creatures like Trump are as tricky as you get. This is also the concern with the half of the government Trump still controls. It may be completely hopeless where they are concerned at this point. I also had to live with such a person for three years and have been out myself for almost three years no. In my situation though I would have rather had been homeless than return to it and have not had a single second thought. Of course I also did therapy for a time the first year by medical order, which of course helped my footing. I just wish the best for Cassidy and hope she is getting any help she needs.

[@thisisbrad]

After reading your comment, I feel a similar way. I hope she remains poised and healthy. And I experienced something similar to you, it’s good to speak about it. Thanks for sharing.

[@cognoscenti11000]

Thank you for this great insight. I've just basically commented that I was disappointed that she couldn't bring herself to say that she'd vote for Biden, even though she clearly sees Trump as a danger to democracy. Your comment explains why that might be.

[@ericelliott227]

@@cognoscenti11000 Well, I would not "vote" for Biden either. He is not part of the solution. That aside, I was more concerned about Cassidy's state of mental health. She is more a victim than a participant. I think doing this "book tour" is not healthy at this time. I have no issue with her doing a book, but she should have waited until she had a firm grasp on her own abilities and not just think she has it. I know she is hurting for money, but perhaps she spent her salary on luxury things instead of saving it. Yes, getting her own attorney likely cost her plenty and was the right thing to do, but she could get a job anywhere in the meantime, before seeking fame with a book tour. By the way, The only people that get paid peanuts are the lowly pages and assistants of which she was not. The rest like herself get at least $130,000 per month in pay and tax free. If she has one foot in and one foot out she may end up going back into the R side of the cult. I have a feeling she is not getting the help she needs and trying to DIY thinking she is super strong or something. She obviously still has some residual cult-thought, which is the hard bits to conquer. People think the first year or so is the hardest. That is not correct. It is the residual stuff that is more challenging. Even the strongest among us can hit a wall that they are not able to get through by themselves. It can be done, but it requires outside the box thinking, which a good therapist can provide. I'm super strong and yet I too have my limits just like anyone else. I know when I am in over my head.

[@luannnelson547]

Impressive interview, up until the last statement.

[@m8sm8s74]

You can’t tell a crook by its cover.

[@ajsimmons7239]

Very professional and well-spoken. I wish her the best.

[@marykilgarriff3550]

She is a great, honourable and great girl. God bless American democracy 🇺🇸. Love and 🙏 🙏 🙏 from Ireland 🇮🇪.

[@hennesseyme9112]

Pretty sharp chick. I am starting to like her despite her working for TFG. The way she deciphered that Christie is the only person for that ticket since he doesn't want to support TFG says she means business, and people ought to listen. Christie will not win against Biden, but he is better than all the others for that one reason.

[@edvh88]

Romney is the only decent one. And even he isn’t great. But he’s got some limits. And he’s never wavered on trump.

[@3ld919]

If Donald Trump is the nominee, she's hasn't made up her mind who she will support?????? Here I thought she left the cult, maybe not. Sad 😔😔

[@trainrecked]

I wish THAT question was asked..But, Im sure she won't vote for donnie.

[@nkel6111]

she has maga traits or nice bum. Donald wouldn't hire her if that was lacking

[@MrShobar]

Yes. Sadly I agree. I wonder if she'd return to the fold for the right opportunity.

[@alfredgeorge317]

She's already got MAGA chasing her down....she doesn't need to throw more fuel on that fire....

[@susanhewitt6359]

I think she has very conservative views, but as long as she isn't a Retrumplican and doesn't vote for DJT that's fine

[@FedFanFL]

We need both parties to be strong. We need people of integrity taking that oath.

[@sharonneal8643]

Thanks Nicole for this interview with Ms. Hutchinson. Great questions and her answers were very informative and powerful. I can't wait to read her book. I agree with her that Trump is a dangerous man and should never be allowed in the White House ever again period. Cassidy Hutchinson will be a very powerful witness in the Trump trials. Way to go Cassidy for speaking out on the Trump administration. I hope more will come forward. Trump 20-24 years in prison!!

[@SeeStuDo]

Ugh. She's leaning into the fame of this.

[@meself349]

💰💰💰

[@sclogse1]

Meadows never heard of recycling?

[@gms2606]

I need an audible version of her book!

[@livingthegreen]

Thank you, Cassie. You inspire me.

[@BlueJazzBoyNZ]

His spine ? Will to live, Any ethics His Oath to uphold the constitution ...

[@Andy-ov9qd]

...ethics? Biden with cocaine in the WH, bribes from China? Firing Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Biden's wrong doing?

[@Joseph-tp7gv]

She only selling her book which is a great marketing move better know as selling your soul to the devil in this era of backstabbers!

[@Joseph-tp7gv]

If you have committed to something that is wrong, call the police ASAP! Unless of course you are slimy and you stay to get the money!!!

[@terryreynolds200]

She gave up her allegiance for a con man. He is not even a good con man. He probably would do OK selling shoes in the mall. YOU don't seem to realize that she has already testified to most of this. SHE WILL NOT LIE FOR TRUMP. AND PAY ATTETION HERE: NONE OF THE OTHER REPUBLICAN WITNESSES WILL LIE UNDER OATH FOR HIM EITHER.. SUPRISE-SUPRISE...

[@smokeykitty6023]

She needs to be in Congress. Intelligent, well spoken woman of good character!

[@NewtOKC]

It’s always the women who are the brave ones. Even though she’s not on Team Democrat, her testimony and her writing this book is Team America and that is good for ALL of us! Bravo Cassidy! Stay safe, girl.

[@janicebernhardt6574]

Exactly

[@Steven-re3tx]

The cult is over.

[@thegags]

Not quite, gonna take major reprogramming to undo the brain rot.

[@joep5815]

It will end when they are all locked up. Leave no stone unturned.

[@bondjovi4595]

The cult has been over. Lol

[@Muttinchopsforeverandalways]

Are the re-education camps being built as we speak?

[@Littlebigbot]

Sorry chump, but Trump is your next president.

[@eh3477]

2:40 Thanks to Nicole Wallace for FINALLY asking about whether Hutchinson notified anyone about what she saw. However, she completely allowed CH to run away with the "it was so chaotic!" excuse. AFAIK, CH took the same oath as everyone else. She should focus on tbe January 6. Isxues, and stop telling sories. Because they show her complicity too.

[@sclogse1]

When Trump appointed strange people to be temporary attorney generals, should we go after all the regular staff in the D.O.J. for being complicit?

[@whalesong999]

At 7:30 she starts admitting her complicity in the operation, she wasn't alert enough to pull loose at the moment and now knows what it felt like - guilt.

[@lipauma6934]

She was a 24 year-old woman, fresh out of college and only a (poorly paid) junior aide, working with men who were like three-times her age and had WAY more power and influence than her (some of whom also sexually harassed or sexually assaulted her). She deserves way more grace than you’re giving her. And for the record, she has been incredibly forthright about her failures.

[@eh3477]

@@lipauma6934 She was a professional, and took an OATH to the Constitution. Yep, aides are poorly paid. Up to Jan 21, 2021, she was a MAGA/Freedom Caucus loving Republican. She's still a Republican. Also, on Larry O'Donnells show, she was comparing herself favorably to a longtime Nixon very senior aide. She was only there for a few months. I appreciate her telling the truth about Jan 6, but otherwise she should stop,telling stories. She can't have it both ways... on the one hand embellishing her responsibilities, OTOH "it was sooo chaotic, I couldn't do anything!" There's a long line of (mostly senior) WH aides who have stated that they were aware of the corruption and coup-plotting, yet not ONE of them raised any alarm in real time. That is actually their job, too. I'd like to see Nicole discuss that more.

[@lipauma6934]

@@eh3477 People like you are exhausting and ironically one of the reasons our country is in such a depressing state. What is the incentive for any of these people to do better or “see the light” if there is only ridicule on the other side?! We desperately need more empathy and understanding for others in this country and you are part of the problem. And for the record, there’s nothing wrong with being a non-MAGA Republican. Do you really think there should only be one functioning party in this country?!! If you believe in democracy, the answer to that should be no.

[@michaelrichie5]

Remarkable discussion. Extreamly personal. This intercorse gives me assurance. Thank you.

[@jeremyevans8601]

Holy shit she's summed up many things just perfectly. Justice for Rusty!

[@catgir5x]

Sadly, Cassidy, whom I admire for her bravery in standing up for what is correct sounds like Liz Cheney's new employee..which is not so good for US either...But I wish her well in the days ahead as she is a thoughtful soul doing the right things to save democracy.

[@cognoscenti11000]

A great interview by Nicolle, but I have deeply mixed feelings about this young woman. She is brave and admirable for finally standing up, sure, but her final answer made no sense at all if she really believes what she says about Trump. I know she said she hasn't decided yet, but talking about voting for a write in candidate or a third party? Come on! She may as well vote for Trump. So this effectively negates all of her fine words.

[@emmaloriy5515]

Poised, intelligent and loyal to the constitution. A remarkable woman. No sensationalism. A real role model for women everywhere.

[@memechristenson2365]

She is a well spoken person and appears to be bright.

[@Fred.pSonic]

When Meatball looked all around before he too put his hand up for Trump tells you everything you need to know about this weirdo cult.

[@carollockett6996]

This amazing woman - so cautious with her revelations, each response is measured and she is not just trying to score points. She is extremely well informed and speaks superbly. I have been wondering what happened to Cassidy Hutchinson, these last months, so am very happy that she is well, has been and continues to be active in support of correct politics. So, will she run for Congress? Senate? More, down the line? We really need to see much more of her, moving forward. She is such a rare and valuable person to have in the public eye. Strong, sensible women, like Liz Cheyney, Nancy Pelosi, Cassidy Hutchinson. I believe in miracles. And a re-election of tRump would be the start of the Apocalypse, of this I feel certain. Good must surely prevail?

[@levenscott645]

An impressive and courageous lady.

[@peteraustin1481]

First question for Mark Meadows under oath. The What and why of that action.

[@whererosemaryflourishes]

I thank Cassidy for her service and recognise her courage as a young woman speaking truth to power but I do hope she's taken a full personal accounting of how she was blind to and complicit in the blatant incompetence, hypocrisy, corruption and criminality of the 4 years prior to Jan 6th. The indications are that she has and I welcome her back to non cult reality and wish her well.

[@janeingram7331]

Cassidy is so well spoken and is probably a good example of what republicans should be or perhaps once was. Really sad that someone of her caliber probably does not represent the GOP.. I hope all good things come to her in the future and that she is rewarded for her goodness.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

This lady did America a great service.

[@Luvstonz]

Cassidy is an impressive young woman who knows the right from wrong and has the guts to speak out against the orange head!

[@winstonsmith6607]

She is apparently the new Liz Cheney. Whatever happened to Liz Cheney?

[@brupeboring]

poor winston cant keep up

[@bannor99]

Could she not have made these revelations sooner? Or does everyone only discover integrity when under subpoena or when they secure a book deal?

[@terryreynolds200]

In TRUMPLICAN WORLD, telling the truth is referred to as flipping. IN other words, everything in TRUMPLICAN WORLD is a lie unless it’s flipped.

[@MinneapolisSkip]

Typical rethugulin mindset. When she testified before the J6 committee, there was no book deal. She also could have taken the 5th ,like her former boss.

[@jasonwiley798]

IT TOOK Michael Cohen 14 years to see the light. 3 years for Cassidy isn't so bad

[@bannor99]

@@jasonwiley798 Cohen went to jail first too, come to think. I guess Cassidy didn't want to be the sweetest meat in the reality version of Orange is the New Black

[@user-iz1kz8dq6h]

Cassidy Hutchinson for President!!

[@stlouisluv]

Sometimes it’s hard for her to spit out what she wants to say.

[@robertcoble7534]

What is it with these Republicans. She claims she wants to save democracy. But if Trump is the nominee she will vote for another Republican as a write-in which helps Donald Trump. So much for saving democracy. Party over country. That's what's wrong with this country.

[@larryross1819]

The real problems that soul less democrat Joe and his democrat friends have wrought on our country are destroying the USA. Yesterday millions of Americans had to make a choice, gas in the car or food to eat. That would be $6/gallon for gas or food that has gone up 11% in the last year. On 4/28/2020 oil was $12.34 per barrel, today oil is $92.30 per barrel. In the next year the price of gasoline might double. With 7,000,000 illegal aliens having invaded our country since Joe took over, and invited the illegal aliens in, the real wages have gone down for those on the lower end of the pay scale. In 2023 over 400 companies have gone bankrupt, gone forever. Add to that disaster inflation of 8% per year, most Americans are getting poorer every day. Inflation is so bad they now use gold bars to bribe politicians! Crime is through the roof because you can steal $999 from Target and no one stops you. Democrat run Chicago has about 1 murder every day and almost none of the murderers every see a courtroom. Rich men north of Richmond includes the politicians, the government employees and the lobbyists. The useful idiots that listen to the main stream media think that Trump is the biggest problem in the USA, nope!!!XXX

[@whalesong999]

Cassidy shows brightness and focus but not mature just yet on the wisdom front. I kind of understand what being conservative stands for philosophically, but the Republicans have lost the art of making it be reasonable and with good moral motives. They're now reverting to an "old West" mentality to drag the country backwards for an illusion of what they thought was an immutable passage to the future. I saw another poster referring to the beginning of their demise was when Barry Goldwater and George Wallace became a force within the party. Went downhill from there.

[@DownhillAllTheWay]

Cassidy is unique - an honourable Republican!

[@MrShobar]

What makes you so sure?

[@Flowerprincess323]

@@MrShobarwhat make you think she isn’t?

[@ccrider3435]

I'd jump in the fireplace for her. 🔥

[@DownhillAllTheWay]

@@MrShobar Well, it seems that she says what she considers to be right, even though it could disadvatage her. For example, she could be attacked by a fanatical Trump supporter. That makes her honourable in my books - she stands up for what she believes in. And in interview, she states that she is Republican. Ergo - an honourable Republican. Her party needs more like her. Personally, I believe that either party would be bad for the country if it had no checks and balances, so even if Dems are in charge, we need a sufficiently strong Republican opposition - but now that Trump has split the country so radically,, that may not happen for another couple of terms

[@raydavison4288]

Well said, Ms. Hustchison.

[@nancytoday6858]

What a lovely person she is.

[@melissadouglas570]

I still don’t trust her. She still seems to be struggling to fully take accountability for her own role in the tragedy that was the Trump Administration.

[@LadyAtheOnly]

I don’t either. She knew who trump was from the beginning and all this democracy talk to turn around and say she doesn’t know who she’s going to vote for if trump is on the ballot??? A vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote for trump and this is coming from someone who’s an Independent and not satisfied with a Biden/trump election but it is what it is.

[@MrShobar]

Me neither.

[@Flowerprincess323]

Clearly you have not had to sit before a committee regarding the insurrection (televised around the globe) so you have zero clue the magnitude of what this young woman was facing. She knows that if she stated anything less than the truth her future and reputation would be forever destroyed. She had the foresight and maturity to know there is no coming back from lying or hiding what really happened in the WH. She had more courage than all of Trump’s GOP lap dogs.

[@meself349]

Probably not a good idea to trust anybody. Anybody can stab you in the back

[@iadorenewyork1]

And she said, “Maybe Mark was burning newspapers”. WTH? Seems to have missed feelings about it all.

[@dredgerivers7730]

Since I'll never know what Mark Meadows was burning in his office every day, I'll consider the ashes to be his legacy.

[@2012Cheetah]

Cassidy, So we’ll said! You should run for Congress!❤