What was the Final Song Played on Titanic?

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@charlieharper886
@charlieharper886 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about Eva Hart talking about running out of church service in a panic attack when everyone started singing Nearer My God To Thee. It was just a few months after the Titanic and it was the first time she'd heard the song since that night. A pretty compelling account I have to say.
@pastorcoreyadams
@pastorcoreyadams Жыл бұрын
Yes, Eva Hart's testimony and PTSD from hearing that version of the song a few weeks after the sinking is what testimony I believe too.
@allamericantravels
@allamericantravels Жыл бұрын
I was going to make this same comment and state that her testimony is why I've always believed Nearer My God To Thee was the final song.
@scouttalent7456
@scouttalent7456 Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Eva hart the one that always said titanic broke in half but they didn’t believe her?
@allamericantravels
@allamericantravels Жыл бұрын
@@scouttalent7456 Yes. Many people who weren’t even there tried to argue with her about that. 🙄
@RadPlad182
@RadPlad182 Жыл бұрын
@@allamericantravels all those people were gaslighting her. 😢
@markjazyk3934
@markjazyk3934 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind, there's a difference between "the last song the band played" and "the last song I HEARD played" when struggling to survive amid what I'm sure was a loud chaotic and panicked setting
@Griselda_Puppy
@Griselda_Puppy Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought. Did no one think that most people may have heard one song last, and others may have heard a completely different song last 🤔
@dwood78part23
@dwood78part23 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I believe "Nearer, My God to Thee" was the last song the Titanic Band played to it's completion. They then started to play "Songe D'Autumn", but didn't finish the tune due to the Final Purge starting during performance. Rather or not "Nearer My God to Thee" was the final song the band actually played, the story behind the band itself is as legendary as the ship they & 1500 others went down with.
@matthewsneed5752
@matthewsneed5752 Жыл бұрын
Given all the conflicting accounts, not to mention the chaotic setting, this seems like an entirely plausible theory. I doubt we’ll ever know all the precise details of what happened that night, but it’s fascinating and fun to try to piece it all together. 👍
@tahiranaveen
@tahiranaveen Жыл бұрын
Same
@JaydenBelieves
@JaydenBelieves Жыл бұрын
A lot of people forget, Its not what was played, it was what was *Heard*
@ThemeParkCrazy
@ThemeParkCrazy Жыл бұрын
Bright Side will probably say they played "My Heart Will Go On."
@Rose19127
@Rose19127 6 ай бұрын
That's so stupid !!! Bright Side my arse
@JPOP2010
@JPOP2010 5 ай бұрын
Lol
@TimeLordParadox
@TimeLordParadox Жыл бұрын
I wonder if they started out with autumn. But were halfway playing it when the ship began to sink rapidly. So Wallace Heartly switched to Nearer My God to Thee thinking it was his last chance to play it.
@D3cyTH3r
@D3cyTH3r 7 ай бұрын
I like this theory. It's messy, just like most things in life when sh"t really hits the fan. And it would explain the confusion...
@DannyDraws1912
@DannyDraws1912 Жыл бұрын
I believe nearer my god to thee was played at 2:10AM the horbury version and at 2:15:45AM Songe de autumn was played until the 1st funnel collapse at 2:16:15AM
@sanjosesharks3534
@sanjosesharks3534 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sam for this video. I just recently lost my brother this past Monday. I had to pick some music to play and when I saw this video I decided to play nearer my god to thee it will put my family minds at ease. It will show that we will be closer to God and be together once again in the next life.
@Steve-gc5nt
@Steve-gc5nt Жыл бұрын
So sorry for your loss 😔
@pinkarate1
@pinkarate1 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for your loss. I also chose the song to be played at my mother's funeral several years ago. As we are of Scottish decent, I hired a bagpiper to play it. I feel the same way you do. We will be closer and together one day. Peace.
@TCW838
@TCW838 Жыл бұрын
So sorry for your loss, great choice in music.
@kavinskysmith4094
@kavinskysmith4094 Жыл бұрын
I think the craziest thing about all of this is I think the band leaders violin survived the sinking and was found with him, which is probably why this resonates so much, as you gotta figure, here is this historical object of one of the worst sinkings in history, crossed with this story, and in the 1980's the ship is finally found and we're able to see it after so many years
@ericstuglik7022
@ericstuglik7022 Жыл бұрын
Listening to Songe D'Autumn, I could hear a few notes that could have been confused for Nearer My God to Thee depending on which version they played. There's a part where you can almost sing "...to thee" along with Songe D'Autumn. I think it was Tom Lynskey who said that Harold Bride was momentarily trapped under collapsible B and the last few minutes of the sinking would have been very chaotic and confusing for him anyway. Perhaps Bride thought he heard Songe D'Autumn briefly but he was confused. It's hard to say.
@jodij2366
@jodij2366 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, and if Bride wasn't religious, he may not have even been aware of Nearer My God to Thee's existence.
@harrywarrenfan
@harrywarrenfan Жыл бұрын
That is called a cadence in music, and I, too, heard the similarities in Songe d’Automne and the UK version of “Nearer.” I am still on the fence about what I believe was played, but here is the thing. If “Nearer My God To Thee” were played, someone would have sung along with the words, and someone would have heard that singing, but I don’t think anyone testified about hearing the song sung.
@stevencooper2464
@stevencooper2464 Жыл бұрын
When using witness testimony as to what was the last song the band played, you need to factor in a timeline. Those who BELIEVED they had heard the last song played by the band may have been unable to hear them play an additional song, because of distance or ambient noise. This is always a crucial factor when determining what happened last in a major event.
@kaneki-ken96
@kaneki-ken96 Жыл бұрын
I also believe the same. "Songe d'Automne" was played first and then (and last) "Nearer My God to Thee" (the Methodist version) was played only minutes before the final plunge took place
@PassionForGrammar
@PassionForGrammar Жыл бұрын
Nearer My God to Thee from Titanic sounds a lot like the opening song from the 1999 movie October Sky. Beautiful.
@james5460
@james5460 Жыл бұрын
Always go with the version that has the most accounts. There were more actual accounts from survivors that the ship broke in two - but certain more prominent passengers (from First Class etc.) said it did not break up, "respected men," etc., so that became the "official version." I believe it was Lord who pointed this out, too.
@Truecrimeresearcher224
@Truecrimeresearcher224 Жыл бұрын
I feel they might have played a couple songs during the end in the chaos probably only a little was heard over the crashing and ship ripping itself apart
@rileybridgham1963
@rileybridgham1963 Жыл бұрын
I believe that nearer my god to thee was the last song played on the Titanic that night, love your videos Sam, keep up the great work.
@felixVanDiemen
@felixVanDiemen 3 ай бұрын
I think you are spot on Sam! I too came to the same conclusion for the same reasons. Well said Sir!
@clairefunnell8481
@clairefunnell8481 Жыл бұрын
Agree about Nearer My God To Thee being the last song the band played. It's a real tragedy that none of the band members survived.
@TheZlife1996
@TheZlife1996 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the duff-gordons and the lifeboat that was nicknamed the “millionaire’s boat” on the titanic please? Id like to learn more about it.
@ericcriteser4001
@ericcriteser4001 Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you. I agree. 'Autumn', then 'Nearer My God to Thee', then the band broke up; then the ship broke up. :/
@leell9076
@leell9076 Жыл бұрын
Watching and listening to several of the interviews of the eyewitnesses the majority of survivors who were the last off the ship heard Nearer My God to Thee. Thank you for the videos you post. I am so interested in learning all there is to know about the Titanic.
@HospitalShip1916
@HospitalShip1916 Жыл бұрын
I actually have the A Night to Remember and it has some good information, great video Sam, cant wait for more!
@lavishrw
@lavishrw Жыл бұрын
This was fascinating. You kept surprising me with new info! Cool video.
@thunderdeed1
@thunderdeed1 Жыл бұрын
A little bit of book trivia. In the novel Raise The Titanic as they're looking for the wreck they come across a band instrument on the ocean floor. During the restoration of the instrument he says Autim the last song ever played on this. The other person says "not neirer my god to thee"? He answered that was a rumor.
@paulfasse8032
@paulfasse8032 Жыл бұрын
Frank Prentice then 18 and working on Titanic openly admitted the band played Nearer my God to Thee.
@vikinglonghairdediconichai3935
@vikinglonghairdediconichai3935 Жыл бұрын
Eva hart said it was one version of the nearer,my God to thee and afterwards she was running out of church hearing the humm .I can't find a better testemony than hers.autumn was indeed a very popular song in the time but I don't think it was tha final song .great great video
@kalifogg6610
@kalifogg6610 Жыл бұрын
I love your argument and find it compelling and it satisfies me. I do remember hearing an argument against ‘Nearer My God to Thee’ being the last song played because it wasn’t in the music books that the Band had been provided with. However, if it’s true, they could have played it from memory; they were musicians after all.
@giselawragg9140
@giselawragg9140 Жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, thank you for another great video. I like to believe that the last piece the band play was “Nearer, My God To Thee”. I look forward to watching more of your videos, they are really helping me at this hard time in my life. Please keep up the good work. 👍🇬🇧🇺🇦
@joemotes
@joemotes Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for another great video, and for including the Autumn Song link.
@SezFrancis1
@SezFrancis1 Жыл бұрын
Great video Sam! This is one of the best videos you’ve done so far. Definitely glad you included Wallace’s testimony on the Maurentia. And I think that the final song was Nearer My God to Thee which was played at 2.10am. Good old Helen Churchill Candee! Keep up the good work Sam 🙂
@ОльгаГарштя-и4ь
@ОльгаГарштя-и4ь Жыл бұрын
I went "wait wait wait but I know that one!" on 9:56 because Autumn Dream waltz is still a part of a typical brass band repertoire of waltzes to play in parks in summer in Russia and I've heard it lots of times :)
@geraldwalker7609
@geraldwalker7609 Жыл бұрын
From the beginning I had Sam's summary in mind. Excellent video, sir.
@melissadahl7561
@melissadahl7561 Жыл бұрын
that is the part of the movie (1997) where I really start crying...when the band begins playing and then it just goes downhill from there.
@CrystallynRose
@CrystallynRose Жыл бұрын
It's pretty freaky that Hartley's friend asked him that question shortly before he sailed on the Titanic. Perhaps I'm a bit superstitious, but I probably wouldn't ask my friend "what song would you play on a sinking ship" shortly before their upcoming sea voyage.
@americanpatriot2422
@americanpatriot2422 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding video and presentation. Thank you
@michaellarue6090
@michaellarue6090 Жыл бұрын
You're quite the detective! I appreciate these nuanced details of Titanic that you bring to our attention. Also, it has been fun watching your collection grow over the years. You'll have enough for a museum yourself, soon. Sidenote, I'd say have a nice weekend but if the hickey on your neck is any clue I'd say your off to a good start. ;-) Thanks again for all you do on this channel.
@THETEENHISTORIAN
@THETEENHISTORIAN Жыл бұрын
These musicians stuck to their posts till the final plunge wow they were definitely committed to keeping the crowd calm and to there music wow
@billbombshiggy9254
@billbombshiggy9254 Жыл бұрын
Autumn sounds a lot like the Methodist version of Nearer my god to thee, so I can see the confusion. Hartley was a methodist so that's likely the version he would have played.
@HugoGHA
@HugoGHA Жыл бұрын
But you also have to consider that most of the band would likely not be familiar with this version, neither most survivors. I'd say it was more likely to be Horbury. Though I'm not eliminating the chance of Propior Deo.
@billbombshiggy9254
@billbombshiggy9254 Жыл бұрын
@@HugoGHA I can tell you that bands often improvise and join in when they don't know the music. A prime example of this is in the movie "walk the line" when Johnny is auditioning and is asked to play a different song. His bandmates told him they didn't know what he was going to play and had never heard it, but they improvised and joined in.
@HugoGHA
@HugoGHA Жыл бұрын
@@billbombshiggy9254 hmm that's interesting. But then, there is the survivors. Most of them would be familiar to Horbury due to being Catholic or Anglican. Around 70 survivors mentioned NMGTT. A few might know Propior Deo, but I'm pretty sure not the majority. Among the reports, quite a few specify it as being a church version. Considering the religion, the church version would be Horbury.
@billbombshiggy9254
@billbombshiggy9254 Жыл бұрын
@@HugoGHA point is, it's surely not the Bethany version that James Cameron used. I don't see how anybody could get autumn confused with that.
@billbombshiggy9254
@billbombshiggy9254 Жыл бұрын
@@HugoGHA also, here's the scene in walk the line that I was referring to. The other two musicians had never heard Folsom prison blues. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGGvn62crppqp9U
@maacha286
@maacha286 Жыл бұрын
What a banger mate. Good vid
@maacha286
@maacha286 Жыл бұрын
But the real song was “Among Us”
@nadiasvens
@nadiasvens Жыл бұрын
Dear Sam, I never had much interest in the Titanic or in Ocean liners in particular. Still I watch almost every video of yours because the way you narrate these stories is so fun and interesting. ;) Keep it up!
@penprop01
@penprop01 Жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼great video!!
@Daniel_B_23
@Daniel_B_23 Жыл бұрын
You should buy the Lego Titanic Set.
@LilPeeper420
@LilPeeper420 Жыл бұрын
I almost heard nearer my God to thee. The tune is similar. The naked ear(not paying much attention) could play a part in it. The focus on surviving; rather than listening.i was preoccupied for a second and heard you play autumn; I heard nearer my God to thee
@carmendaniel3734
@carmendaniel3734 Жыл бұрын
Such brave men. So very sad. RIP Titanic Band.❤ Thank you Sam for this video. I always wondered about this song. Never heard it before. RIP Titanic passengers and crew. Never to be forgotten. All gone now. ❤ I believe it was Nearer my God to Thee.
@Victoria08822
@Victoria08822 Жыл бұрын
When I read one of the band members story, the main one (I'm sorry, I am bad with names) was said to tell people that if he ever was on a sinking ship he'd play nearer my God to thee OR another song (probably autumn). But he seemed very strong on NMGTT. The possibility is there
@Victoria08822
@Victoria08822 Жыл бұрын
I just noticed you talked about this in the video, sorry I typed this before I saw that part!!!
@90s_Toy_Box
@90s_Toy_Box Жыл бұрын
I never read the Book (A night to remember) but I did find an audiobook on youtube and listened to and it was a great story on the detals told in the Night of when The Titanic sank
@matas9458
@matas9458 Жыл бұрын
9:25. Songe d'Automne (SOHJ(uh) D'oh-TOH(nuh)) - In French, the g is a soft g when preceding e or i, making a j sound (that sometimes sounds like sh in our ears), yet the e's are silent, as is the m, otherwise it and the n would be nasalized. The "uh"s are almost barely audible, but get mentioned if the next word after the e begins with a consonant (e.g. Notre Dame; it is "NO-truh DAHM" for the cathedral, not "Noter-Daym" like the famous college). When d or l precede an apostrophe that precedes a vowel, the word gets pronounced as though without separation, whereas a word beginning with a consonant would have the words "Le" and "La" or "de" for singular or "Les" or "des" for plural (for example, Les Miserables). That's basically it.
@jennfierkrueger8302
@jennfierkrueger8302 Жыл бұрын
the old autumn song is by vivaldi from his four seasons
@litmaiden
@litmaiden Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I always enjoy anything having to do with the musicians. Just a thought: Is it possible that a musician could've continued playing after Wallace and the others put their instruments away, and that perhaps "Songe D'Automne" was the song that lone musician played? So technically "Nearer My God to Thee" could've been the last song they played as a band, but maybe Harold heard one or a few musicians continue playing without Wallace?
@Fishycheese99
@Fishycheese99 8 ай бұрын
The version of Autumn that people believed the band played was the Hymn Autumn. I’ve found it and it sounds quite beautiful. Theres a piece called the Sinking of the Titanic, by Gavin Bryar, that has several strains from Autumn if you’re interested.
@darkpriestmusic288
@darkpriestmusic288 Жыл бұрын
It's possible that Titanic's band played both songs. The conflict could be due to the location of the passengers at the time. Some would have heard Nearer my God to thee but may have been to far from the band to hear Autumn. While some were close enough to hear the band play Autumn. This would have to mean that the song Autumn would have been played after Nearer my God to thee.
@giantidiot31
@giantidiot31 Жыл бұрын
But then the question would be: was Autumn played to completion, making it the final song? Or did they go down/get interrupted before finishing, making Nearer My God to Thee the final song?
@TitanicHorseRacingLover
@TitanicHorseRacingLover Ай бұрын
Great job.
@GeographyWeirdAlFan
@GeographyWeirdAlFan Жыл бұрын
9:23 Pronounced Songe (ge as in garage in British English) d'Otomn (d as in duh). The title is in French.
@LordWyatt
@LordWyatt Жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder what else we don’t know about the disaster 20:59 sums it up pretty well
@kylemohs8728
@kylemohs8728 Жыл бұрын
I agree with your declaration that both songs may have been sung, that was honestly my first thought when I heard of this controversy. The story about the band leaders' friend is absolutely insane. One heck of a coincidence if true.
@aspenmgy
@aspenmgy Жыл бұрын
I had no idea Walter Lord wrote another book about Titanic!
@wolfman1662
@wolfman1662 Жыл бұрын
Songe D'Automne it certainly conveys a sense of impending doom.
@danielmkubacki
@danielmkubacki Жыл бұрын
Another great video!
@light-raichu
@light-raichu Жыл бұрын
There is the other version of the autumn song m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3y2m6iHptamY6c I think it's more likely that it was that version because it sounds more similar to Nearer my God to thee
@jodij2366
@jodij2366 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it was both, I think it was just Nearer My God to Thee, but those not familiar with the hymn or the version played may have misheard it as Autumn.
@KoolDog570
@KoolDog570 Жыл бұрын
Sam- as always, your content is excellently presented. Couple of things, maybe food for thought: The bands purpose in playing music that tragic night was to calm the passengers while the lifeboats were being loaded. Indeed, somewhere around 205am as Collapsible D was being launched I believe our national anthem "Star Spangled Banner" was being played. Throughout the sinking, the band played popular tunes that were upbeat to bolster passenger spirits. By playing "Nearer My God To Thee" this would be a complete departure from their original purpose, because this would have musically confirmed to the remaining 1500 passengers theyre about to die. Thats not very reassuring or calming. As for those in the lifeboats, I myself (had I been one of them) would've been mesmerized by the silhouette of the Titanic sinking, only lit by her fading deck lights. I wouldn't have paid attention to what was being played. This brings me to "Song D'Autome" (pronounced, I believe, "Song Daw-Tawm) .....aka - "Autumn".....this was an extremely popular song at the time, and in playing this it gives no foreshadowing of your imminent death in the next few minutes. Up until the end, the band in playing this selection would've stuck true to their purpose: reassuring/calming passengers as best as they could. Thats why "Autumn" gets my vote. All it takes is one survivor on the Carpathia to start a legendary story & the rumor spreads like wildfire. Those that survived the sinking after being tossed off the deck when the boat deck dipped under had a lot more to worry about than what was being played on deck before they got washed off. Love to hear your thoughts on this (sorry if wordy but had to cover all my bases) or anyone elses The band members were true heroes, no matter what they played. God bless them.
@BeachyBird001
@BeachyBird001 Жыл бұрын
Loved your intro
@ewanfawkes2708
@ewanfawkes2708 Жыл бұрын
Question I've never heard anybody ask: What was the first song played during the sinking of the Titanic?
@kitjohnson2767
@kitjohnson2767 Жыл бұрын
Offering my theory: It was a terrifying night full of chaos and confusion so expecting every survivor to perfectly remember things like "last song played before it sank" is a tall order. That being said, "Nearer My God to Thee" is a good contender.
@Bravo_116Cinema
@Bravo_116Cinema Жыл бұрын
Very good video
@silentgamer2434
@silentgamer2434 Жыл бұрын
One "what if" scenario that has always fascinated me is: what if the D-Deck gangway door was never opened? How would it have affected the sinking? How much longer would the titanic have survived? I think it would make a good "what if" video
@philosotree5876
@philosotree5876 Жыл бұрын
Sam theorized it was never left open, just unlocked.
@silentgamer2434
@silentgamer2434 Жыл бұрын
@@philosotree5876 no . Hé clearly said it was left open
@philosotree5876
@philosotree5876 Жыл бұрын
@@silentgamer2434 Um, no?
@gyrken
@gyrken Жыл бұрын
Please do the Scandinavian Star. :)
@toddkurzbard
@toddkurzbard Жыл бұрын
Due to research done in "recent years" (although, due to my very faulty memory, it might not have been so "recent"), it is believed that "Nearer My God To Thee" WAS, in fact, the final piece played by the band. The fact that a good number of survivors recalled it this way tells me that they couldn't ALL be wrong. Also, when Bride mentioned "Autumn", the media misinterpreted it as the song actually named, "Autumn", and did not know Bride was most likely referring to "Songe d'autumne", which was commonly known in England at that time as "Autumn". One argument against Bride is that, I think, he may have been the only one who mentioned it.
@head19821
@head19821 Жыл бұрын
The other argument against this is that harold bride was also trapped under collapsible B in the final moments so he probably didn’t heard the very last song
@HugoGHA
@HugoGHA Жыл бұрын
Good in-depth analysis I'd say. You missed out one thing tho: Bride mentioned Autumn in a newspaper, which was actually edited. He never mentioned it in the inquiries too. I also have some strong doubts on Propior Deo being played. Mainly, because most of the band was actually Catholic or Anglican and wouldn't be familiar with this version, but rather Horbury. Also, survivors would have been more familiar with Horbury, as a lot of them were Catholic or Anglican too.
@HistoricTravels
@HistoricTravels Жыл бұрын
interesting, I didnt know about that. Thanks for sharing
@frjohn65
@frjohn65 Жыл бұрын
Wallace Hartley was a very devout Methodist.
@HugoGHA
@HugoGHA Жыл бұрын
@@frjohn65 that doesn't really change anything when most of the band wasn't.
@frjohn65
@frjohn65 Жыл бұрын
True, but I would imagine Hartley would have been more inclined toward the Methodist version, but would have certainly known the version used by the CofE.
@bridgetraveler7700
@bridgetraveler7700 10 ай бұрын
I have a book on Broadway Musicals Show By Show and I turned it to the page that had the Musical of the Titanic and it says right on the bottom of the page The orchestra did not play "Near My God to Thee". "It was Autumn".
@gerryhatrick6678
@gerryhatrick6678 Жыл бұрын
Remember there is also more than one tune back then for Nearer My God to Thee, also some of those who claimed it was were in lifeboats and off the ship....I tend to agree it would have been Autumn. The other may have been played near the end, but Harold Bride was on Titanic to the end, so I give his the most creedance.
@jenniferkelly6124
@jenniferkelly6124 Жыл бұрын
There's a british pathe interview with titanic survivors and they said that the band did NOT play while it sank. Also Sam was Wallace Hartley's violin 🎻 found in the case, and did band Play but then stopped playing?
@robertpanetta7912
@robertpanetta7912 Жыл бұрын
First of all I can not put my thoughts and feelings in one person , Harold Bride . Wallace has said that he would play Nmgt on a sinking ship. I think that Wallace told the band members “ Ok guys one last song “. Because of his faith and what he said he would do he chose NMGT . This is backed up to me by the survivors in the life boats. They were scared yes but had some time to compose their thoughts on this . On the carpathia they were able to first start to talk about this song , as well as other thoughts of the sinking with their fellow survivors
@kennethmorgan6516
@kennethmorgan6516 Жыл бұрын
Whatever they played, those musicians were a class act.
@AP-sb1me
@AP-sb1me Жыл бұрын
I love your videos my son loves the titanic brittanic and lusitainia and a lego titanic that he built on his own😊
@jenniferkelly6124
@jenniferkelly6124 Жыл бұрын
Why is that clip of "a night to remember" in color. The film 🎥 was in black and white
@mattwingfield7389
@mattwingfield7389 Жыл бұрын
Why couldn’t it have been both songs where one led into the other without a significant break in between? For example, and forgive me for using this modern analogy, but whenever music stations play the Queen songs ‘We will rock you’ and ‘We are the champions’, they always play them together with very little airtime inbetween and very rarely is one played without the other. Perhaps Wallace Hartley did something similar since D’Autumn was a song that many people knew at that time but at the same time with Wallace Hartley being a very religious man as well as telling someone that he would play ‘Nearer My God to Thee’ if he were on a sinking ship. Whose to say both songs weren’t played with very little pause in the middle?
@Techgnome21
@Techgnome21 Жыл бұрын
All the reasons you stated added confusion to what song was heard. I also believe that at what time the person left the ship could have added to the confusion.
@realJimMarshall
@realJimMarshall Жыл бұрын
Actually i believe the real final song played was Cardi B's WAP
@Inari1987
@Inari1987 8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the band played both Nearer My God to Thee and Autum in close timing near the end.
@DarthAverage
@DarthAverage Жыл бұрын
The three settings (tunes) used for Nearer, My God, To Thee (NMGTT) are as follows: -- Church of England (UK) -- "Horbury" -- Methodist Church (UK) -- "Propior Deo" -- Episcopal Church (USA) -- "Bethany" Of the three, Propior Deo and Bethany sound similar enough that, if Hartley & Co. were playing Propior Deo (Hartley's preferred version), it is at least conceivable that American survivors could mistake it for Bethany (thus explaining why both British and American survivors remembered hearing it). There is no way Horbury would be mistaken for _either_ of the other two, however. As an aside, Horbury was the version played in "A Night to Remember" (most likely under the assumption that on a British ship the musicians would use the Church of England version, in ignorance of Hartley's Methodist roots), while Bethany is the version used in both the 1953 and 1997 movies named "Titanic". (The 1953 version absurdly has a band with brass wind instruments, and even more absurdly shows all the passengers remaining aboard standing in orderly rows singing the song from memory - including Isidor and Ida Straus. The likelihood that an aging Jewish couple - both of whom were German-born and whose first language was German - would know the words to a Christian hymn by memory is very small indeed.)
@HugoGHA
@HugoGHA Жыл бұрын
A big problem that comes up by assuming the 'Propior Deo' tune was played, is the fact that: considering most survivors were British and Catholic/Anglican, it is far more likely they would recognize the 'Horbury' tune, as they would be more familiar with it. This logic also applies to the band, as only two of them were Methodists. I'd say the 'Horbury' tune is far more likely to have been played than the 'Propior Deo' tune.
@pauls064
@pauls064 Жыл бұрын
Most of the carpathia survivors were well away from the boat when the last song was played, and on the other side of the boat from the band. How would they hear it? It sounds like something that circulated among the survivors ….
@fmyoung
@fmyoung Жыл бұрын
Wallace Hartley's band might have indeed very well played both "Autumn" and "Nearer, my God, to Thee" (in whatever order) :-)
@Rose19127
@Rose19127 6 ай бұрын
The old version of Autumn is in the Antonio Vivaldi's" The Seasons Third Movement "
@Chris-vk2zw
@Chris-vk2zw Жыл бұрын
As a musician, a seamless medley from the two songs makes too much sense, especially with transition and to keep the flow and the calmness. It could even happen spontaneously or with a request from the bandleader in real-time. I have played hymns in church and we would do this all the time.
@Rose19127
@Rose19127 6 ай бұрын
I'm a musician too. I think the song " Nearer to My God to Thee " was the last song that the Titanic's band played. I used to sing in my church choir and sang a lot of songs in church
@pierremainstone-mitchell8290
@pierremainstone-mitchell8290 Жыл бұрын
Great video indeed! I'd come to the same conclusion on the same evidence. In my case I add the finale wrinkle as to what tune was "Nearer My God To Thee" played to, "Horbury", used in the 1957 film "A Night To Remember" and "Bethany" used in, amongst others, James Cameron's 1997 'Titanic" (source Wikipedia). Whilst Wallace Hartley was British Methodist the most wealthy of the first class passengers he'd have played for during the voyage were Americans. Given that the band's job, in times of crisis, was to play tunes to calm the passengers I'd be going for "Bethany" which, as an Aussie, I understand is more popular on the American side of the pond!
@erikdraven1731
@erikdraven1731 Жыл бұрын
It's far-fetched, but maybe both were played as the ship was going down? There were two "bands" on the Titanic, and we will never really know what the two piano players did that night.
@Velostigmat
@Velostigmat Жыл бұрын
I think Songe d'Automne was the last official number. If Hartley played Nearer My God to Thee, it would've been very, very late in the sinking. The band was playing to calm people and quell panic. Nearer My God to Thee is a funeral hymn, and playing it would not be calming during the sinking. I bet this is what happened: the band finished by playing Songe d'Automne, Hartley played Nearer My God to Thee (Propior Deo), packed up his violin, and met his fate. It should be noted that Archibald Gracie said the band never played Nearer My God to Thee, and he thought even the idea of it was tactless.
@HugoGHA
@HugoGHA Жыл бұрын
It should also be noted that Gracie was American, and likely wouldn't recognize the British versions of Nearer my God to Thee. Also that he was trying to save his life and not pay full attention to whatever the band was playing in the background. His testimony isn't trustworthy in this regard. In my opinion (based on the research I've done), Nearer my God to Thee was the entire band's last song, on the tune Horbury.
@patriciamercer9960
@patriciamercer9960 Жыл бұрын
Did they ever find their instruments in the wreckage or perhaps the violin case or something? Do you think they might have brought a way to protect their instruments just in case if they were rescued? Were any of the funnels ever found? You did a phenomenal video on this subject. Many thanks to you. 👌🙂
@HistoricTravels
@HistoricTravels Жыл бұрын
They found Wallace violin. Still exists today.
@patriciamercer9960
@patriciamercer9960 Жыл бұрын
@@HistoricTravels wow!! That's wonderful!! Thank you!
@Wildcat_Media
@Wildcat_Media Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how many historical details we take as fact actually turn out to be inaccurate, just because one historian made a mistake or a story gets muddled in the immediate aftermath of an event. Titanic sank more than 110 years ago and we think we’ve seen and read everything there is to know about the ship. But then you look at the first-hand accounts again or someone notices a detail that was ignored before, and it completely turns the facts on their heads. It floors me how much we are still learning. Just goes to show that we should never stop studying history, and absolutely we should look at primary sources as much as possible. Who knows what “fact” is going to be disproven next? And not because historians of the past were incompetent or purposely changing things, but because our understanding can change over time.
@jgs1703
@jgs1703 Жыл бұрын
I ordered On A Sea Of Glass recently.
@dreamcrushersouth8967
@dreamcrushersouth8967 Жыл бұрын
Don’t know if this question has ever been asked but do you know if Scottland road has ever been photographed at the wreck I know it was on around Edeck so iv always been curious
@alexanderwhite8320
@alexanderwhite8320 Жыл бұрын
Wow, as I watched the video I heard the final song was called Adam until there was Autumn written on screen.
@ajbianchi85
@ajbianchi85 Жыл бұрын
Lord makes a good comment saying that Bride was a trained observer and that he was also one of the few people who survived the disaster after going into the water, so he was on the ship til the very last minutes. I lean more towards Autumn being the last song, also the last song being nearer my god to thee is so cliche and the more newsy type of testimony. Also there’s no reason to think the band thought that would be their last song.
@petermostyneccleston2884
@petermostyneccleston2884 Жыл бұрын
Most of the survivors would probably have been in the lifeboats, and away, before the last tune was played.
@CombustableLemon
@CombustableLemon Жыл бұрын
Well, here's my two cents: not only between different denomonations are there different versions, but also different places. You know what? The british version (given this is a english ship, it most likely was that version) sounds similar to Autumn. Add in rushing water, screaming, and funnels falling, you'd probably think that was Autumn.
@paulm.6437
@paulm.6437 Жыл бұрын
Nearer My God To Thee
@TRISTILIKEHISTORY
@TRISTILIKEHISTORY Жыл бұрын
I didn't believe about nearer my God to there to be the last song I was thinking there was another song and this kinda proves it
@SaltwaterCowboy709
@SaltwaterCowboy709 Жыл бұрын
Knowing some background, history and culture around where the Titanic was built In Belfast and the men there who built and crewed her, a hymn such as 'Nearer my God to Thee' would be an obvious selection.
@deepdive35
@deepdive35 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the story of Fredrick fleet and regional lee during the sinking
@giselestrauch5146
@giselestrauch5146 Жыл бұрын
what do you think of books like the girl on the capatha and the girl on the titantic books/ the historical fiction book on this subject what is your thoughts on this
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