What was the relationship between Augustus and Tiberius?

[@IonutPaun-lp2zq]

Excellent answer. I quite like Tiberius. An introvert in an extrovert's job. Very capable and intelligent man in the wrong job.

[@Wien1938]

I've always felt that Tiberias gets an unfair write-up. He seems to have governed well and the Empire was in a good way when he died.

[@douglassun8456]

I found Prof. Goldsworthy's biography of Augustus quite eye-opening in that respect. As someone who was heavily influenced by "I, Claudius" it's useful to look at the subject in a more scholarly way and engage with why some of the sources said what they said, as well as what they said.

[@rc8937]

Agreed. I'd go so far as to say Tiberius was one of the most capable emperors in Roman history. Very few were better prepared for the position.

[@daniellazaro3591]

He always seemed to me like someone who was very intelligent and capable but simply did not have the personality needed to charm and work well with people especially arrogant aristocratics, something Augustus excelled in

[@gingerbill128]

@@daniellazaro3591 Maybe too a large extent that just stopped him getting a good write up rather than affecting his governance.

[@kevins6764]

Thank you for posting such interesting material. Hats off to you.

[@jl696]

It's hard to believe a lot of stories written about the private lives of these emperors. Domitian is depicted as a tyrant by historians of the time, and later by Gibbon, but now there is a lot of modern day historians who say that he was a conscientious leader unfairly maligned by his detractors in the Senate. Too bad that many sources of information that might have offered alternative viewpoints and more insight into these leaders have been lost to history.

[@makk143]

Tyrant is debatable but he was definitely more authoritarian

[@bobss.94]

This is one of the reasons why I enjoy Mr Goldsworthy's work so much, because he puts primary sources first and doesn't get carried away with his interpretations. Many times while reading his work he will simply admit we don't know about a certain matter - and simply never will. It's history done properly

[@ottovonbismarck2443]

He wasn't a bad emperor; he got rid of a few (conspirating ?) senators like most emperors did. He left an intact empire with no major crisis going on. Unfortunate for him, he didn't have his own historian to correct his image. I'm pretty sure Titus or old Vespasian weren't all sunshine either.

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@ottovonbismarck2443 Tiberius gets a good write up from the early Christians and a couple of Byzantine emperors were named after him (not to mention Captain Kirk). So his memory wasn't universally damned.

[@Hugh_Morris]

Domitian was the first Emperor that was able to rule the Empire outside of Rome. "Rome is wherever the Emperor is" started with him. He took power and influence away from the Senate, so they were bound to dislike him. He was quite authoritarian, people had their reasons to assassinate him.

[@celsus7979]

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[@gf4670]

Well Tiberius' age affecting his reign is something I always wonder about, as well as Caligula's subsequent youth. Tiberius was already in his late 60s when he went to Capri, and that was after having the bureaucracy and the senate and Praetorians etc all sort of age along with Augustus. I've always suspected his simply being a tired old man had much to do with everything in his reign.

[@Saurischian]

How's the upcoming novel coming, Professor?

[@jannarkiewicz633]

Caught you on Times Radio. Dang, you're a busy guy. As a novice, I agree that Tiberius was likely not a sicko. If you're a sicko you tend to go all in. Hiding on an island it no "all in" like Caligula or Nero.

[@bman3794]

Tiberius was the stepson of Augustus and not his first choice as successor but since both of Augustus grandkids died Tiberius was the only one left to become emperor after Augustus died. True Tiberius never wanted to be emperor

[@jedidiahdeangelo2575]

Thanks for video

[@johnking6252]

A nice thoughtful piece 👍 somewhere on the shores of Italy.

[@BOSIE321]

Tiberius is an interesting one: I always see people praising Germanicus and saying 'if only he'd been allowed to conquer Germania' and that Tiberius was jealous but it looks to me as if he was just far more pragmatic and, well, 'boring' I suppose.

[@conrad4852]

Have you seen British tv show The Caesars from the late 1960s? It's a superb series that is fundamentally pretty sympathetic to Tiberius (though definitely not unreservedly so!!!) for kinda these reasons: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Caesars_(TV_series)

[@BOSIE321]

@@conrad4852 I haven't, but thanks for the recommendation.

[@r0ky_M]

I'd say Tiberius through his own extensive campaigning in Germania knew the costs (vs) returns...ie; Germanicus was successful to some extent but it didn't come easy or at low cost in time, men and materials.

[@theodoridi]

High quality stuff…. Thanks 🙏

[@king_cobra5492]

Thanks

[@voidoflife7058]

A good television series that shows augustus’ strained relationship with Tiberius is “domina” which follows Livia, Augustus’ wife, from her childhood to her marriage to Nero, Tiberius’ father, and then later through her marriage to Augustus while he was emperor

[@andrewmills509]

Such an interesting Post Adrian, I have often wondered if Tiberius was much maligned by all accounts he ran the empire well and finances were well looked after unlike his predecessors Caligula and Nero who more or less bankrupted the empire. I wonder if the malignment from senators etc who Tiberius upset or wouldn’t let them have their own way. My other thought Tiberius was a difficult man to get on with, poor socialisation skills and he didn’t like dealing with people in this day age would Tiberius considered to be autistic? Look,forward to listening to more posts about the Roman Empire.

[@douglassun8456]

It is interesting to think what modern psychology would make of Tiberius, isn't it? Rather like the speculation that Field Marshal Montgomery may have been on the autism spectrum because of his well-documented knack for getting people mad at him and not understanding why they were so angry. Unfortunately, distance in time and relative lack of sources make it almost impossible to say for sure.

[@younusadiallo5094]

did you watch the TV series " Domina"?

[@joebombero1]

Any thoughts on Alexander's dream of conquering the West? Moving through Africa, conquering the Carthagenians, then heading North wrapping up Spain, the Gauls, Italy and the Romans, Germania... Would he have been able to do it had he lived, say, into his 60s?

[@simon2493]

Tiberius wasn't meant to be Augustus successor Augustus has always seen him in supportive role for next princeps, Tiberius just didn't seem like Rome politics but he was forced to become his heir after Gaius Caesar has died.

[@expatexpat6531]

Was Tiberius maybe aspergic?

[@careyfreeman5056]

Wasn't he Augustus' step son?

[@rc8937]

Yes, the first 2 emperors were both step sons.

[@rodwallace6237]

Everything you need to know about Imperial Rome in an excellent production by the BBC: I, CLAUDIUS (1976) - Episode 01 - A touch of murder kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGi7g4tniqeipbM

[@jeffreyhenion4818]

Great writing, marvelous performances, and an outstanding drama. Accurate history? Not so much.

[@gingerbill128]

the video has been blocked.

[@migueljimenez4303]

Algorithm

[@darkstarZ74]

You should see the Caligula film as it is pretty good. Unfortunately it was missing the third act and had a couple of porn seens put in by the producer, Bob Gucionne. That has all been rectified now with the new version of the film which is titled Caligula: The Ultimat Cut.

[@joebombero1]

Did they keep the lawnmower in the final edition?

[@darkstarZ74]

@joebombero1 yes

[@gingerbill128]

i never watched it as the porn scenes put me off . Made me think it would be just designed to shock as its main goal. Might check out the new cut .