What We Honestly Miss (and Don't Miss) About Working as Lawyers

[@Someplaceelses]

I really enjoy you guys talking without script! So much personality and humor

[@EmandLloyd]

We're enjoying it a lot too! Glad you enjoyed the video

[@carrotdise]

agreed, feels more intimate and chill, and at the same time well thought out/articulated. keep it up, both of you!

[@chinyeoh9535]

Honest and realistic content which is helpful to others. Not angled to maximise views, clicks or subs. The intellectual and creative integrity of your videos is what stands out.

[@Thelilgenie]

I used to practise in employment relations and safety, and I gotta say some days I do miss the drafting too. The only drafting I miss though is advice memos. There's something super satisfying about turning complex legal analysis into practical advice for the client. Keep up the good work you two! :)

[@Aidan_Au]

Thank you for sharing all the dilemma you were facing as a lawyer. I have faith that both of you are very disciplined to make the business work. I hope that these 2 years that you can explore and do your own thing will be fruitful! If nothing else, you'd get to know yourself much better.

[@hannahdong920]

What is it like to have two lawyers in the household? Any pros and cons to the dynamic?

[@EmandLloyd]

This would be an interesting idea for a video tbh

[@sprinkleholic4139]

Love the new shooting angles!! Feels like a tv talk show And it always feels very calming and soothing to hear you two chat and talk Really like your channel 🥰

[@Nanzeri]

Loved this. As someone who is taking a break from practice, I miss the drafting the most. Agree with Lloyd on missing the intellectually rigorous work. Sometimes, I wonder if my knowledge has gone to rust since it’s been awhile that I was challenged intellectually. This video is so relatable! Thank you for this Em and Lloyd!

[@michellet9985]

Really great format! I enjoyed how honest you two were. It felt really conversational and I enjoyed listening to you two talk. Felt really cozy and would love to see more!

[@peanutbrittle99]

This video makes me smile the entire time. I love you as a couple on KZbin and hearing your experience!

[@omgsharpies]

I am really enjoying the new video format! it's a nice hybrid between a podcast and a typical scripted video

[@SK-dq9so]

Great video. As a former banking lawyer I related with so many of the things you said. Keep up the great content!

[@EmandLloyd]

Great to hear - thanks for the feedback!

[@shumatsuopost]

I really love how transparent you are to your community! Keep it up!

[@kgxsandra]

Definitely enjoyed the more casual conversation as opposed to scripted!

[@Aidan_Au]

Lloyd, could you make a video about how you did NOT let the early career success of your peers cloud your head? You spent some time in F&B while your peers rented vacation homes in the Hampton/Tai Tam, so to speak. There's a lot to unpack there. How did you hold on to it and continue to pursue what you were after? I tried to put this the nicest way possible. Thank you!

[@EmandLloyd]

Actually, the F&B experience was my own choice to pursue! I had done some bartending in university, but wanted to pursue it full time to get the experience before I started work full time at the firm. The firm was super supportive of this decision, and I got to do some pretty cool things as a bartender. Will def talk about the experience more in a future video.

[@MichaelGrode]

This was great! It felt like I was able to enjoy another side of you two through this video.

[@EmandLloyd]

Thanks, Michael! We're enjoying this format - trying some new things in the coming weeks

[@marianne23100]

Completely agree with the contract drafting point 😉 (from a fellow m&a lawyer)

[@EmandLloyd]

I knew I wasn't alone!! 🤗

[@sophiaisabelle01]

Merry Christmas Em & Lloyd. God bless you.

[@EmandLloyd]

Merry Christmas, Sophia!

[@v1zhual]

Happy holiday Em and Lloyd 😘

[@EmandLloyd]

Happy holidays, Zhu!

[@rupertramiro4400]

This video was really good, particularly where you guys talk about availability and working during annual leave days. It's a pretty normal situation in hk.

[@josephsmyth832]

I just subscribed and this is the second video that I have watched. Really love your transparency and the fact that you both enjoy intellectually stimulating material. What type of books do you like to read?

[@MatiasRijoM]

I'm always interested to see how different careers have different work life balances. Specially how this varies per country. Have you experienced that with colleagues, or old colleagues that the lifestyle and worklife balance is different from country to country on the same job? Great content by the way. Subscribed after finding you commenting on a video from Sacha Bourlon!

[@EmandLloyd]

Definitely - I (Lloyd) did a work secondment to my firm's UK office, and while the work was pretty much the same, the culture was different in a way which impacted work/life balance to some degree. That said, the nature of work as a lawyer is that it's usually quite intense wherever you are, so there was no avoiding that in any office!

[@sdn4134]

It was such a great show I hate it’s not coming back

[@Aidan_Au]

Merry Christmas Emily and Lloyd! Hope that you'd spend some quality with the visiting friends. Next year let's start selling merch such as mediation pillows. Just kidding.

[@EmandLloyd]

LOL you're really committed to this meditation pillow business. Merry Christmas, Aidan!! Thank you for all of the support over the last year 🙏

[@josephsmyth832]

Did you study game theory when it comes to business strategy? Were you taught the difference between positive and natural law? One of the things that I had to learn on my own is the difference between public and private law as well as the distinction between an artificial and natural person.

[@yeung4308]

Could you make a video in Cantonese?

[@hc7092]

Wonderful video. I have a couple of questions if that’s okay! 1- you mentioned you enjoyed drafting contracts and miss it. In your new business, do you draft up your own contracts or do you hire lawyers to help? 2- when you were junior, how did you find yourself being more helpful to your seniors? Ie if you know what the next steps are in a transaction or a dispute, how do you help? Do you draft docs or get templates ready or? Sorry if this is a loaded question and thanks!

[@EmandLloyd]

1) We haven't needed to draft any contracts (only review them), but in principle simple ones we can handle them on our own. For things a bit more complex or requiring specialist knowledge, it definitely would be good to have specialist lawyers look them over - but this probably isn't something we require at the moment. 2) Communication is king - before doing anything, it's great to get instructions from a senior on what needs to be done. The best thing to do is just to check in when you have capacity and offer assistance if needed (and if nothing is needed at the time, come back to them in a day or two, or ask others on your team).

[@ilovecheese111]

Em are you from Canada, Minnesota, or Michigan? And then Lyod sounds like he grew up on the East Coast but has lived in most likely Southern California for a long time(my home)

[@ilovecheese111]

dang just went on their Instagram I was wrong. Lloyd was born in Canada!

[@EmandLloyd]

Haha your guesses were super close! I (Em) am actually from Southern California, and like you saw Lloyd was born in Canada :)

[@Tantantantan369]

I was wondering why loyd’s glasses were steam up 😂😂

[@josephsmyth832]

Since you stated that you enjoy reading and writing, have you discovered the classical liberal arts known as the Trivium and Quadrivium? Did you ever study philosophy before going into law school?

[@lcylydia]

Storytelling ftw

[@kayleefok1633]

Lloyd, do you have a book to suggest for a junior lawyer learning to draft contracts?

[@EmandLloyd]

Unfortunately no - most of it I learned on the job. Easiest way to learn is by doing the actual thing and receiving feedback on the job

[@withinhistoriesgrasp9307]

How do you find a good honest business lawyer And if possible affordable For new business

[@KKRCeb]

Great video-curious as a junior re a quick question: given the mechanical nature of tasks and the steep learning curve in the junior years, how did you realize that you were getting better as a lawyer? Was it when you were entrusted with more advanced tasks?

[@EmandLloyd]

Great question. Getting more advanced work is certainly something that happens as people get better at the basics - if a junior is doing a good job with basic tasks (proofreading, compiling docs, making bundles etc), then a senior likely will trust them with more complex tasks since they know that the junior has the basics locked down. This continues as people master more and more parts of the job. It's also always good to ask for feedback from seniors when they have a bit of time as well to pinpoint areas you can work on (and also for them to tell you what you're doing well - the impostor syndrome is real!).

[@KKRCeb]

@@EmandLloyd Thanks! very helpful.

[@MB-gd6be]

Wait, what do you guys actually do now for work?

[@christielee9899]

Did you ever find yourself in a situation, while working in law, that you didn’t have the time to spend the disposable income you’re earning? Did this bring on any disillusions to the work?

[@christielee9899]

Also: I totally get the “working through holidays” part (same here smh, and somehow, not working during holidays can bring on a wave of guilt looool). During holidays or weekends, would you set aside a few hours completely work-free, or would you guys schedule quality time with each other if you don’t mind me asking?

[@chanelkaaaliyah9217]

Now that you work for yourself.... What do you specialize in? Is it difficult to get clients?

[@merwynmuljadi1441]

Do you guys miss your colleagues?

[@EmandLloyd]

Definitely - but we both still keep in touch with colleagues we're friends with!

[@ctkom9577]

Hi

[@EmandLloyd]

Hi Ctkom!

[@seribaek402]

Two talented lawyer KZbinrs.. hm. Is still good though... maybe it's more (?) helpful to give law service for people.

[@kareem4u]

Why go to law school if you don't make being a lawyer a career?

[@beautyjournal217]

That show was so cringe