What We Know Warframe Lore - Crewman Synthesis Lore

Examining the entry provided by completing the Detron Crewman Synthesis.
I find the idea that the Orokin fought, conquered, and exploited the Sentients even though they suffered great loss in the Old War, and then this folly led to their downfall without the Tenno to protect them MUCH more interesting than this simply explaining the first scientist to develop them. Of course, it's less likely, but still much more fun to me.

[@Shinoyami65]

Combined with lore from the Natah quest, I am more inclined to believe that the Crewman entry takes place before the War. Natah indirectly refers to the 'flaw' in the Sentients mentioned in the Crewman entry- the weakness to Void energy ('All missions to the Origin system require a sacrifice. It is the one flaw we never overcame.') But by the time of the War and Natah's entry to the conflict, the Void no longer acts as poison-it merely renders the Sentient sterile, implying they have advanced beyond what we read of in the Crewman entry.

[@Morec0]

I did a little research before watching this, found a definition: "An Archimedean point (or "Punctum Archimedis") is a hypothetical vantage point from which an observer can objectively perceive the subject of inquiry, with a view of totality." Ultimately it means little, but I like how it goes with sort of the stance on the matter the narrator is taking.

[@pmurphy5948]

actually that nails it 100% entirely.

[@ubermaster134]

I swear that you are the Vaatividya of warframe XD

[@Raikeran]

Get out of here, Stalker. ~Rhino

[@ubermaster134]

DKane Vale ... k

[@Raikeran]

C:

[@Davums]

>:3

[@PheonyxJay]

+DKane V (Cephalon Rai) Is it bad I know what video you said that from?

[@zenderzagato8174]

I feel way more people need to see this

[@alternative915]

Zender Zagato Agreed

[@Morec0]

Zender Zagato I think there's still "lol, what lore?" jokes going around, so I have to agree. I may not agree with every point of Stal's, but I'm also not the absolute authority (yet).

[@Psycorde]

Morec0 This is still more like Desnity's Grimoire Cards level, though.

[@SpaceMonkey1900]

+White Void and it's all ingame and up for discussion. so many secrets, so many roads a line can guide us

[@psychedelightful4314]

The orokin are evolved human, if this game happens in the far future it wouldn’t be too far fetched if they are evolved humans who modified themselves to become perfect

[@Zibouloubloub]

StallordD this is very very exciting, I've just discovered the channel and this stuff is amazing. Keep up the good work.

[@tcornthelazy]

Loving these videos :D Keep up the amazing work!

[@1ruisu]

Nice reference to the old WARFRAME trailer, Loki with an akbolto.

[@Darthmufin]

Humanoid. not human. as far as this game is concerned, humans don't exist, the only ones being post-human.

[@ABiggerFish]

New Loka is hint towards Humans existing.

[@Darthmufin]

Pinguin Ops They are post human because they have abilities. There is no "human" in warframe at all, in this timeline humans died out or evolved into the other races. The closest to humans are the grineer, a clone of probably human.

[@ABiggerFish]

I forgot post meant after...either way saying they don't exist made me think you were claiming there were never any humans in this universe. Colonist are the closest things to humans that are left.

[@Darthmufin]

In the current timeline of the game, they never specify human. Tenno were orokin in nature, grineer are their own race, and corpus are their own race. Tenno agents however, are unknown. I am just saying just because they don't say, to not jump to the assumption they are human aka from earth and haven't mutated to become a separate species.

[@ABiggerFish]

Wait a mnute...didn't Lotus tell us that we were a human child like any other during the second dream. "You are Tenno more than human...but once a child like any other" Implying that the Tenno were humans and then became Tenno.

[@Raikeran]

I remember seeing a small instance of what the Sentients might look like in person. When I looked on the wiki, there was an article with a picture that looked sort of like a giant flying kraken, which makes me wonder how they were able to use Solar Rails in the first place.

[@hyperion9793]

Cheese

[@RandemFellow]

Is it bad that I would be a Corpus if not a Tenno?

[@xaiderg]

I wouldn't want to be a degrading dumb clone.

[@RandemFellow]

Aitharaith That's grineer. Corpus are like the collectors from Mass Effectm

[@xaiderg]

Mega Guy43 I know what they are. I'd rather be a Corpus than a Grineer is what I meant.

[@RandemFellow]

Aitharaith K

[@fubarsheir5060]

Nope rather be an ostron

[@jagan9235]

Good job mate, keep it up

[@Spetnaz23]

I laways separated the Crewman project from what became then the sentient project, as both leaders of projects were Archimedian. Crewman project was lead by the best Genetician of that time, and Preinthol was more on the drone work style. There is also some chronology error in what you described, but it's from 2015 so we can't blame that. Maybe a revisited version of this lore fragment with all the new infos we gathered until now could be interesting.

[@mariuscatalin5982]

i think one of the principels was to never create somethin that can and is stronger than you so it can't turn against the empire maybe the principles are based on the biggest human mistakes in history to never alow them to happen again

[@Psycorde]

Sentients... update related to them is called "Tombs of the Sentient" - Sentient, just one being. It buggs me, really. It's probably just one being that able to possess many bodies. Could be something close to the geth race from Mass Effect, but a bit different - maybe there's sentient planet in Tau System on which original Crewman Project were targeted, and when these "crewman/sentients" arrived there it recognized an invasion threat behind them and responded accordingly. Captured "crewman" artifical bodies and turned them against Orokin, who already almost devoured all resources in Origin System and wants to continue to do so on Tau. Sentients are basically "reverse Tenno". I don't know, but shit definitely get's more and more interesting with each week.

[@lunasllenas1997]

When the cephalon symaris appeared i wasnt reaaaally sure wich was his side inside the battle between orokin and the sentient and he could even killed orokin for his syntesis.

[@drewamihere6]

i love these

[@joselozano41]

loris antela is one of the grineer queens!! proably

[@angius]

We need to spread the word about those videos more. There's no way it gets barely 80 wievs. I'll be content maybe when it hits 800.

[@famder2]

I Love this video Series!

[@ihavegun]

I hope u make more video like this :3

[@FPComedy]

May I ask what the ambient music you use in the background is?

[@StallordD]

+FPComedy It's all from the Warframe Soundtrack.

[@FPComedy]

+StallordD But which one in specific, I'd have to search through like 50 tracks :( I might just do it to find it.

[@StallordD]

+FPComedy In order - Corpus Indoctrination, Beneath the Ice, A Drifting Tomb

[@Morec0]

Hmmm... so you're suggesting that the Sentient in this was, instead of the original, sort of the last? Taken and to be studied? Interesting... I'm more on the mind that this is pre-Old War, but I haven't seen this theory yet... The notion you put forward that the Sentients rely on sacred Void energies would be flawed, though, as they later say "the Void is poison to them". I am with you on the Orokin being a separate part of humanity, though. A higher, more genetically perfect breed. How deep this extends, though, into the people of the Empire I'm curious to find out, because the father in the Anti Moa synthesis seems to describe himself as having once been Orokin - so either the Tenno missed quite a few of the Orokin's leaders (possible) or there were ones out there not deemed important enough to slaughter (non-leader). I think the Rail was shattered by the Tenno; once I thought this was to keep the Sentient from coming back, but I have a different theory now that the Sentient seemingly can't use the Rails. Think of the Outer Terminus as a tunnel between two valleys. In one valley (Origin) we have the Grineer, Corpus, ect., in the other (Tau) there are the Sentients. If these two meet they WILL fight. So, what do you do? Collapse the tunnel on one end, seal it off. Keep the two from meeting each other so that one cannot agitate the other. If the Corpus rebuild the rail, the Sentient will know, and ESPECIALLY if they start poking into that business, they'll become agitated and come back (via their own means, most likely). It's basically meant to stop the people in Origin from poking the otherwise sleeping dragon. I think that our original reading of the Tenno of being made ONLY as a response to the Sentients was wrong. They were made LONG before then, and because they can "survive death" they were around for SOME TIME. When all other options failed them, the Orokin "turned to the Void" (resorted to it) and "took the twisted few that had returned from that place" so many years ago to use as a weapon. WHY they didn't do that before is unclear, especially since they knew the Sentients were weak to the Void, and since the effectiveness of the Tenno against them would suggest they still were, but it may simply be a matter of time consuming all things. That knowledge could simply have been lost - even intentionally; the Sentients didn't come back in a timely enough manner, so the Orokin decided it was "a failure" again, and finished their purge of all records in conjunction with it Inquisition-style. Years later this would bite them in the ass, when they'd forgotten all about their weakness because they didn't keep any fuckin' notes.

[@StallordD]

Morec0 When I said "Rely on sacred Void energies" I mean more as in "Rely on sacred Void energies to be made." The flaw could have been manually introduced as a failsafe of some sort, or the principles could just have something against widespread use of replicants of any form.

[@Morec0]

StallordD Ah, I see. And in some regards that makes sense - expose it to what you want it to be weak to while it's still in its infancy. What the seven principles are is something that does require further clarification, the existence of Cephalons suggests it can't just be AI... Maybe it's like that can create ITSELF???? We don't have any instance that Cephalons can replicate themselves, there's a theory that the Grineer's sterility MIGHT be intentional, and I think the Tenno simply don't have the ability to do it either. But this Sentient... it can have little babies. But there are SEVEN principles, so it could be MANY things.

[@Psycorde]

I feel like reason why Tenno slaughtered Orokin is very very close, i want to know it.

[@evgenysidagis908]

I think the reason behind the Empire's Fall had to do with the Infestation and the creation of it by the Orokin. There is the possibility that the Tenno had found out who created the Infestation and had seen what happened to the Civilians affected by it, ending up in the slaughted or the Emperors

[@Solaxe]

***** Grineer were created after the Orokin's fall

[@Solaxe]

***** Grineer were created after the Orokin's fall

[@Morec0]

Solaxe S No, they were created by the Orokin and served as workers under them - the Lancer Synthesis tells us this.

[@evgenysidagis908]

Morec0 I see you everywhere on the forums :)

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

Well a think that you have mixed few things, so 1st, i don't think that Sentients were the Orokin desing creatures, actually this strange creature that Archimedian displayed to Executors reminds me Infested Ancients, and i think that could be the orgin of infestation, also this flaw, vunability to void energy, combinet with fact that Lotus used a bomb using this energy to clear out an asteroid base from infestation makes me think it is more posible. Also te high adaptivity, fact that there are Infested ancients in Towers and that orokin had to destroy the Outter Terminus makes me think that probably this ancients were so adaptive, that the strongest of them were able to overcame they built-in flaw, immune themselfs to eneregy of the void, and come back on solar rail, starting the Great Plauge. Also about Sentients i tink that they were some kind of strange ghost-like energy beings that were able to take control over any vessel that could contain them, like Teshin says (aww couldn't find his quote befor anihilation match) they can be destroyed in any phisical way, and they will rise again to keep fighting, what means that the only way to destroy them is to destroy their energy form, what we are training during conclave by destroying Oro(i won't be suprised if DE will make something similarr during fights with Sentients), also the way Teshin calls the "A nightmares from outside the Outter Terminus" makes me think that they were the orginal inhbitants of System orokin wanted to conquest.

[@ABiggerFish]

+AVSManfred ft. Lilith Sentients can rise again like Tenno because Sentients are a Hive Mind and Tenno remote control Warframes.Sentients were sent to Tau to terraform worlds so that the empire can gather the resources which is what is destoying them. Ancients are just infected Locusts. Cascade bombs destroy ALL organic matter so it dooesn't matter what it is.

[@AntiCaesarReal]

Exxecutor Orokin form.

[@eldritch1625]

2:26 what quest?

[@gamergenix893]

It's a trailer

[@Nine-Oh-Five]

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