What went WRONG with Nintendo's WORST Switch Game of 2024?

[@NathanielBandy]

That's cool you got Logan on for this

[@EpicgamerRehanPOG2000]

I FEEL LIKE ITS ILLEGAL TO SEE THIS COMMENT WITH 5 LIKES 😭😭😭 Dw Nathaniel, I'm liking the comment for ya 🫡

[@AgentXero2]

18:30 You have as many likes as there are enemies in TTYD!! lol

[@zepaul2198]

YO! Good to see your here!

[@crazyfrantic]

Lets get Logan on the podcast!! Would be interesting to dive into IGN's review system and get to know the faces behind the scores.

[@RhombusLabs]

Don't call it a "system." Individual reviewers in a group aren't a "system."

[@sleepzy3816]

They're calling the review process a system not every reviewer in the company

[@ultimatederp5069]

I agree! He sounds like he really knows his stuff.

[@joephoenix8655]

He added a lot of context in the NVC podcast

[@Logan_plays2]

My name is Logan Lol

[@therandomguy2212]

Everytime someone brings up how you can’t control Luigi for puzzles, I keep thinking that y’all forget this applies to every other M&L game after superstar saga

[@tonybloodcherry]

But there was a button for Luigi in those games, so in those kinds of puzzles, you still had to time Mario and Luigi together

[@Lunch33]

For me this game made luigi useless. Not only can I completely ignore luigi for 80% of the time because he does everything on it's own, but the AI gets stuck so many time that it just started to become annoying having luigi around. This game felt like a mario rpg game but with luigi as a side character instead of mario and luigi being the main characters.

[@therandomguy2212]

@@Lunch33 literally how is he useless??? Again, look at every M&L game after superstar saga. He quite does nothing but jump, and when you split up, Luigi just stands and waits for Mario to finish. Brothership actually gives Luigi more importance for the puzzles, thanks to Luigi logic in the overworld and bosses. I genuinely do not get this

[@hteekay]

​@therandomguy2212 I do agree that compared to other Mario & Luigi series, this Luigi do seem to be more useful, but I'm just disappointed that Luigi's Logic system is just you pressing a button for him to "solve" the 'puzzle'

[@therandomguy2212]

@@hteekay many puzzles are doable with you controlling Mario, while Luigi controls on his own, whether it’s quickly stepping on panels, or Luigi flipping a switch to help Mario guide through a room, or those stealth missions. You’re still doing stuff as Mario. Luigi is simply helping you

[@steel5897]

I liked it more than Origami King, that game's battle system borderline can't even be called a battle system, it's a glorified puzzle game.

[@MikeHunt-lz2hq]

Origami king .... ? This Mario and Luigi brother ship isn't a paper Mario game . Mario and Luigi are their own separate series

[@MikeHunt-lz2hq]

But this isn't a paper Mario game.... And if we are talking about paper Mario games everyone knows sticker star Is the bottom of the barrel.... As far as the Mario and Luigi series goes this newest one is the bottom of the barrel.....

[@uroskesic6117]

@@MikeHunt-lz2hqWhat about paper jam and partner s in time

[@uroskesic6117]

@@MikeHunt-lz2hqEven dream team was plagued with issues like this game and dream team s issues are way worse

[@Nolan1333]

Yeah I fully agree brothership does start slow but overall I think it's a pretty good game

[@husbandofsamus]

Honestly, Brothership is really good outside of the first few hours. I prefer it to Dream Team and Paper Jam.

[@Nolan1333]

Yeah I agree especially about paper jam that's my least favorite one. Dream team I like but I can definitely acknowledge it's on the lower half of the Mario and Luigi games

[@chiquita683]

You need to play actual RPGs and you'll see why this is bad. Too many people live in the Nintendo bubble and they cant tell when they are getting slop

[@SkoomaBoi.]

I loved Brothership, but I agree its far from perfect

[@SkoomaBoi.]

Sorry. Didnt have mucj time to think of a comment

[@movew5975]

Mario and Luigi was a lot of fun. I’m 34 hours in I just finished the 3rd light house and it’s great. But most of these reviewers only spent 21 hours and finished it. Not the best m&l games but better than partners in time and paper jam. Solid 7 1/2 score so far.

[@JeremyTorres-x3j]

Partners in time was peak tho

[@tomo8940]

It's better then the previous garbage paper mario slop Nintendo's been releasing. Origami, Splash, and Sticker wish they were as good as M&L Brothership.

[@krisrazer5817]

⁠@@tomo8940No idea why you're bringing paper mario into this but Origami king is literally top 3 best paper mario games

[@theshumsshowforfun2.051]

My problem isn’t IGN giving Brothership a 5 out of 10. The problem is just how inconsistent their ratings are and many games that aren’t worthy of high ratings get those anyway. They rated Stickerstar at 8.3 an RPG that gives you almost no rewards non-mandatory battles. Then you have a game like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) where it has a good campaign with a fun graphically and mechanically rich gameplay as well as it’s multiplayer and somehow it is an 8.0? Same with SpongeBob: Battle for Bikini Rehydrated. A game that was a literal remake where the original had 7.3 the remake got 5.0, it was a remake the faithfully remasters the original, doesn’t fill out with bugs and glitches and the performance actually plays well. And it sucks how it’s being rated based on how you play it today and not how it was as a remake/remaster. Don’t get me started with Cyberpunk 2077, a game with one of the buggiest launches ever, my friend was so close to buying it by the bugs alone prevented it, playing it now is pretty decent. But it didn’t deserve a 9.0 back in the day. IGN needs to be more consistent because all I keep seeing is games being inferior rating higher than the other said game despite it having less effort

[@KaiJie-n8q]

Nah sticker star was actually good.

[@theshumsshowforfun2.051]

@@KaiJie-n8q You think Stickerstar is good but not Brothership. Even Logan Plant agrees Stickerstar is the worst Mario RPG. I played it and I couldn’t get myself to keep playing because even Brothership has a reason for you to keep playing

[@KaiJie-n8q]

@@theshumsshowforfun2.051 I did not say brothership is bad it is better than sticker star.

[@AgentXero2]

Yeah that’s how I felt at first too but looking back at it I feel like people forget that the reviews are made by different people with different game tastes. I looked at their website and saw that the reviews for Brothership, Cyberpunk, and SpongeBob are all made by different people so its possible that the writer of the SpongeBob article thought the Brothership review was too low.

[@pastqr]

​@@KaiJie-n8qstick star was straight up trash.

[@JJLarge]

How on earth is this worse than everybody 1-2 switch

[@jme6036]

That barely qualifies as a game tbf

[@BeatEmUps]

1-2 Switch isn't 40 hours long lol

[@MugiwaraAFC]

@@BeatEmUps So paying 50 dollars to get more value out of a game is not worth it? you lost the plot wood

[@jibblerino]

​@@MugiwaraAFCTime can be more valuable than money.

[@MugiwaraAFC]

@ Yeah and that game is worth the money

[@Dragular]

I disagree with a lot of this review. I really enjoyed the game, not because I'm "giving Nintendo a pass because I grew up with it". I just genuinely thought it was a good game. I get the game has issues, but I wouldn't call it the "worst Switch game of 2024."

[@sowsow6677]

the game is bad

[@Dragular]

@@sowsow6677 I disagree, but to each their own.

[@vladi3862]

@@sowsow6677 you literally haven't played it 💀 you said that in a another comment

[@Nu_Merick]

You're correct. I'm having a good time. Peach volunteering to get abducted killed me😂 game has a slow start but it definitely picks up and pretty good

[@Dragular]

@@Nu_Merick Yeah, it's got some pacing issues, but I think it's a great game overall. It has a lot of awesome moments.

[@mattyg_hd]

I feel like people have missed the point of reviews over the years. A number doesnt define if a game is unanimously good or bad, its more of what that number means to the reviewer and if you personally agree with the viewers tastes. It doesn't matter how much someone like Wood praises Zelda or Arlo praises Pikmin if I only like shooters and jrpgs for example. If you agree with Wood and IGN on Brothership, great! Maybe you have similar tatse and should avoid those games. Disagree? Also great! Go find one of the many 9/10 reviewers and maybe take more recommendations from them. It will be a lot more productive than getting mad that different people can have different opinions.

[@StorytimeSketcher]

Too true! I think everyone should read this comment

[@Raddish-Is-Radd]

This deserves more like.

[@ComicalStudios75]

So...is this video not for me if I loved Brothership?

[@kaiyakaiyakaiyakaiya]

I agree with some of this review, mostly the pacing and writing stuff but like- Reducing the combat system down by saying the focus is on normal attacks for 40 hours...??? It feels particularly ignorant of how much variation the plugs and bros attacks give you for strategy. I never really found the basic attacks boring because theyre fun to preform and theyre pretty satisfying to see play out- Especially with the plug combos which I feel like should've been talked about more in this video? It seemed like a footnote in the combat section which feels very weird when that is a HUGE point of the combat. Its like reviewing TTYD and not dedicating a good chunk of time to the badges.

[@OGlezoking]

I got tired of the reviews and got the game myself and i actually like it 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@KevinAccetta]

I haven't beaten the game yet, I'm like at the 5-6th island iirc. In most cases (usually outside of bosses) I just don't do bro attacks cuz the animations are way longer than regular attacks, and the enemies are easy enough that a simple attack or two can finish the fights much faster. They're fun to do when you get them, but after doing them a few times, I just ignore them tbh

[@NOISEEROOM]

Wood is stupid that’s why

[@kingkoopa1486]

I have to respectfully disagree. I loved brothership. There was clearly a whole lot of heart and effort put in. I have far more problems with far more games being Mario maker 2, Super mario party, and paper mario origami king

[@nerdtuga9180]

This being Nintendo's worsg game of 2024 really shows how good this year was for the switch despite being its last

[@charliep123]

Sorry I haven’t been following along recently. What do you mean by its last? Are they discontinuing the Switch or something?

[@Commenter3726]

@@charliep123 2025 is the supposed year for Switch 2's release and Brothership was the last Original game published specifically for Nintendo (i think)

[@Lokear]

@@Commenter3726 I'm willing to bet that there'll be at least one Nintendo game released for both the Switch and Switch 2 close to launch, like how Breath of the Wild released for the Wii U and Switch. Even if the Switch 2 is backwards compatible with Switch games, it could still happen.

[@robertwolfgan]

I'll agree that this game could've been an amazing jewel if the developers were given free reign to do their ideas.

[@cordesbatchelder8036]

The more niche a franchise is, the more honest a reviewer can be about their opinions on the game. Nintendo fans have set expectations for Mario games, such as the belief that no Mario game should ever be rated below a 7. IGN is large and broad enough that they don’t need to appeal to this expectation, while a nintendo-focused review site such as NintendoLife is incentivized to give a score that they anticipate will be the consensus. You’ll find two main camps of Nintendo fans when talking about brothership. One group contains the fans that unequivocally love anything Nintendo, and outright deny reviews such as the 5/10. The other group will acknowledge the flaws of the game, but will say that the game still “deserves” a 7/10. This is that Mario barrier that I mentioned in play.

[@Luxembourgish]

Brothership should be above a 7 not because it is a Nintendo game or a Mario game, but because of its own merits. Its story, visuals, and battles outweight the low points of pacing dragging it below a 7.

[@22gunslinger21]

⁠@@Luxembourgishthe visuals are what put the performance down. If they had found a way to do it without the outlines the switch cpu wouldn’t be working so hard and we’d get better frame rates across the whole game. The story is alright, but the lack of creative control from Acquire because it was two separate teams doin the story and gameplay meant that we got some bland characters. The only characters worth noticing are only worth noticing when you’re playing the part of the story focused on them. And only some side quests reveal more about the story. You get some important detail for some side characters which is nice, but you’ll never see half of those characters again. Some side quests have ridiculous goals to help an npc exclusive to the quest and you don’t learn much about them only to get a mushroom and syrup. This is where a lot of pacing comes into the issue.

[@DangerouslyStupidGamer]

I don't care if someone says they don't like the game. Tastes are different, and you can dislike a game if you want. Calling it the "Worst Switch game" or even "Worst Switch game of 2024" is a whole different story, though. I know he specifies within the video that he really thinks it's the "second" worst, but putting that label on it at all is ridiculous

[@22gunslinger21]

@ he said it’s NINTENDO’s worst switch game of 2024. As in first party. The confusion is easy to understand because Nintendo Switch is one thing on its own. The reason it’s the worst first party title of 2024 from Nintendo is because the other releases are just that much better than it. It doesn’t make it the worst switch game to drop in 2024 as it’s still an alright game and there are many third party releases that are dog crap.

[@vladi3862]

this is the most ragebait video i've ever seen

[@GreenStashe]

I agree

[@AnormaIPerson3121]

I agree is not the worst but it's neither a good game

[@DangerouslyStupidGamer]

​@@AnormaIPerson3121Not gonna call it the best, but it's definitely a good game

[@AnormaIPerson3121]

@DangerouslyStupidGamer nah, game has too many flaws

[@dmg326]

the main problem is most of the game is paced terribly. the last 10ish hours with Bowser and Reclusa are amazing IMO. if they cut out a lot of the fluff in the beginning of the game, this is easily a 8/10. i give it a 6 overall.

[@carloslabrador1432]

nah is 9/10 for the hystory , the ending, the animation and music

[@uroskesic6117]

@@carloslabrador1432I might give it a 7 or an 8

[@Nu_Merick]

the beginning is slow but most treasured games have this issue. ppl always say twilight princess is a masterpiece but the beginning is a slog... IMO i liked the beginning of TP but here in M&L:B, the beginning was indeed a slog for me... the minute you get the bros moves/great light house, it def picks up.

[@B05SxBrennan]

@@Nu_Merick Lol, "people always say twilight princess is a masterpiece". I think TP is a masterpiece, but it's just funny to me how 10 years ago everyone thought it was the worst 3D Zelda, and now it's considered peak. The Zelda fanbase never changes lol.

[@Just_Shaun]

Lol, imo the last 10 hours of the game was the worst part. The beginning had 'fluff' but you were still getting stronger, getting new moves, new plugs, and new items. The bowser battle was fun, and the reclusa twist with the final 'dream' segment was cool. But all the padding to collect whatever it was ruined the final segment, the final dungeon was, eh, not the worst in the series, but pretty dull. FYI, I would've enjoyed the game 10x more had they cut that portion out of the game and ended it after the Zokket fight, with the reclusa fight taking place directly after.

[@nintendfriendspod]

While it does have hella issues with story and performance, the game wasn’t even that bad. I give it like a 6 or 7 out of 10.

[@FictionalPersonality]

6 not far from a 5

[@Alecup06]

Performance you mean the 1 fps drop 😂

[@nintendfriendspod]

@ yeah not bad at all.

[@Luxembourgish]

It has no issues with story, the story was the best part of the game

[@AeyGee]

@@Luxembourgish Yeah. Sounds like you are talking out of your but whole.

[@22gunslinger21]

It suffers from the same slow start that dream team had, but the worst pacing issues comes from the side quests for me. There are some quests that are good and even if they don’t reward much they still show some cool story for the side characters. BUT! When they make me go out of the way to travel back to allsand island to kill a sharkbone for a chance to get a drop I need to give someone, and I get A SYRUP AND MUSHROOM ITEM with VERY LITTLE STORY TIED TO IT BECAUSE ITS SOME RANDOM GUY, I get very mad. There are so many quests that are more worth it to just skip. But when I’m going through a playthrough for the first time, and they hide a bunch of quest rewards for some reason, I’m gonna do em all.

[@GUSplatoon]

Calling it the worst game is a bit sad but I understand the criticism. I’ve been playing M&L series since superstars. Big fan. Brothership is admittedly long but as a long time fan, I’m ok with that. I know not everyone likes long games & prior M&L are relatively short but when AlphaDream went downhill, I thought the series died. So, I was happy with Brothership & happy that I could invest hours & hours into it.

[@Gilliebeany]

As someone who's never played any of these games, this perspective is important, I think. Games appeal to those already in the lineup differently than they do to newcomers. Long games are often like a reward to long time fans, granted, length of gameplay alone doesn't cut it - it would be nice for all games to make sure the quality stays up throughout that added time. I'm curious about this series, and might hop into it when I have time to get sucked into a new thing.

[@GUSplatoon]

@@Gilliebeany100%. I think long-time fans bring a unique perspective to games. Obviously, a lot of my love for M&L is filled with nostalgia but at the end of the day, I appreciate the fact that this game exists. There are other franchises (e.g Star Fox, F-Zero, Punch Out) that might never see the light of day again. The fact that Brothership exists is a testament to Nintendo’s trust in the franchise & the fans.

[@charliefen]

I mean the worst Nintendo game of 2024? I would agree. Nintendo released some good games in 2024, so there had to be a worst one.

[@MatthewMegale]

@@GilliebeanyYES. Try this first and the 3ds ones

[@KevinAccetta]

I've played M&L since it started too, and I don't like Brothership that much, but it's not because it's long, it's because it has too many flaws (imo). Loading times, boring story, disconnected world (PM TTYD also had a hub area, but it feels better there for some reason), lack of enemy variety, constant interruptions, etc. That said, everyone can have their opinion. I'm not saying this to change yours.

[@kajin2422]

I’m playing the game right now and I’m about 15 hours in and I genuinely love this game. I know it’s not perfect and has a fair share of problems. But this time I chose to not let the internet to tell me how I should feel. I love this game a lot!!

[@ComplicatedMoose137]

Man, I had so much fun playing brothership. Yeah, the first half of the game is a bit slow, but in the second half it REALLY picks up. It's certainly not a bad game and certainly not one of the worst games of 2024.

[@FictionalPersonality]

Thanks I played the first 8 hours and I dropped the game. Told slow for me. I’m playing through TTYD now and I am having a blast. I will give brothership a second chance

[@OGlezoking]

I loved this game so far i haven't ever played a mario and luigi game but i been addicted to this one

[@bunnyhatzuicecream]

Yeah l loved Brothership, despite the few downsides at least it’s not as bad as Paperjam or the generic side modes.

[@burndasbr]

Yeah not sure, the last 20% of the game are even worse than the beginning in terms of pacing IMO

[@wizeguygaming1]

I totally enjoyed playing the game. Did every side quest . Spent about 50+ hours playing. Sounds like a win to me

[@Nu_Merick]

i mean the game has a slow start, but MANY good games have that issue as well but get a pass still. IMO once you get to twistee island/first bros move, it VASTLY picks up and you can sail faster too. the combat is pretty good. im having a good time with it. TTYD is def up there though on best mario RPG's.

[@thesmartestluigi]

true persona five Is twice the lenght of brother ship

[@ZerotheeHero]

Uh oh, Wood hating on a Nintendo game, comment section im sure is going to fun

[@99Mysteries]

Looks at my 100 hours spent in Endless Ocean... 😅

[@dragonsigner]

Regardless anyone's opinion on this game I hope it sells well enough to make sure there are more continued Mario and Luigi games being made Because I love the series of Mario and Luigi And I hope there's more that are being made even if it's by the same studio

[@shigerumiyamoto9612]

yeah of course i would love the series to continue, but it shouldn't mean that people must buy mediocre products to support the franchise. Haven't played the game nor am i specifically looking at M&L with this statement

[@Nolan1333]

Yeah I hope so too I would love to see them try another one hopefully without all the dev issues

[@Videokid7234]

I don't think sales should tell Nintendo to make more games, it's the constant reviews, whether good or bad, that should convince Nintendo to make more games because that should tell Nintendo that if we like or talk about the games, we want to see more of it, like while BeatEmUps does dislike this game, it doesn't mean he wants the series to die, he just passionate for the games (even if I heavily disagree with his review). Any review should tell a company that they want a series to become great and make more, not discourage the company. TL:DR Sales bad, Reviews (whether they like the game or not) better.

[@luke3810]

I'm glad im not crazy lol. I played this for about 5 hours and my motivation to continue is so low.

[@NickolasHayward-Thomas]

Bro, you have to play it more. The start may be slow, but the game gets better

[@2minuss]

It's only the beginning that's somewhat boring. It picks up pace pretty quickly.

[@Metalchefkiwi]

Ive played 25 hours and have haf no noticeable performance issues, and its been a blast, i honestly dont get the dislike because it stayed true to mario and luigi forn, its great

[@SmokeyDogGaming]

performance seems to always gets fixed with updates but the story & gameplay is still a turn off tbh or at least just a little disappointing have to admit

[@Metalchefkiwi]

Ive really enjoyed the world and the story of replugging in all the islands, its very charming and it feels really unique to me, but everyone has their own tastes

[@SmokeyDogGaming]

@@Metalchefkiwi i’m still gonna give it a chance when i see it on sale of course so maybe I’ll feel the same way too who knows

[@cellspeed8682]

Honestly, when will those oversensitive framerate counters realize that they only amount to a tiny fraction of the whole pie of gamers and most players just don't care because it runs well enough?

[@monkeyking4320]

@@cellspeed8682 Not really. I could tell by playing that the game's performance could chug at some points due to the controls being a little unresponsive at points.

[@Gamesharq64]

Brothership ended up being my favorite game of last year. The battle system was amazing and I LOVE the art style and animations. I'd say a lot of people will look back on it more fondly 🤓

[@jorgea8518]

I had a good time with Mario and Luigi Brothership. It was perhaps a little too long, finding and connecting all these islands did get a bit tedious after a while, and I also felt they pad out the game too much by having these enemies appear then leave, then appear again and leave again, and so on, it happen way too often and that was getting old after a while. I didn't had an issue with the performance since I played this on my Switch Lite, which for some reason played better than the Docked version. The battle system was great, and dude, its a turn base combat, of course you are gonna do the same things over and over and over again, that's the idea of the turn base combat system, it gets repetitive but it gradually gets even better and deeper so you don't mind it being repetitive, because as it gets better, you want to keep playing and find out what else the game will provide.

[@Nolan1333]

I never thought i would hear somone complain that a mario game looks like its trying to kids almost like mario is target to families and kids. What a crazythough

[@GreenStashe]

Is it me or did this review piss anyone off. Bc he has some good points but he just keeps sh*ting on the game

[@Joeynator3000]

There are far worse and more boring games out there on Switch....Brothership is fine, it's not the best M&L game out there. It has issues, most likely because Alpha Dream being gone.

[@carloslabrador1432]

nah is perfect and the performance is much better than others say, and the fps drops are almost not noticeable.

[@rhymm9099]

Yeah its a 5 so mid! Nothing too crazy!

[@AnormaIPerson3121]

​@@carloslabrador1432it is not, it's better than paper jam but that's it, game has no magic like the rest of the games

[@nickk3077]

Let me address your criticisms. Your review continues to spread ill-will towards this game, when the reality is that many complaints are blown out of proportion. The only reason this video has traction is because most of your viewers haven't played through all of the game and trust your opinions. You are using that trust to make mountains over some really small, cherry-picked mole hills. You complain about art styles, yet that is a very subjective matter. To most people, the game's style was translated on to the Nintendo Switch in a very tasteful manner. Most people would agree when looking at reactions to the initial reveal. Logan said he was excited. He never even had a problem with the style, but you make such a big fuss over this. I think balancing out series standards while doing something new with the art is a tough act especially for a new team, and in my opinion, I think the art adaptation to Switch was very successful. We don't know the full extent of the original cut content, and I am sure the team had some great artistic interpretations for the series, but the end result was still very praised. If we had a 2D HD art style, that would stifle potential for more creative camera angles in the environment and cinematic cutscenes. Both of which are leveraged in Brothership. Though you complain about the frame rate, and I noticed it too, it barely impacted my enjoyment of the game. Yeah, it was inconsistent, but it almost never made the game unplayable. In my opinion, a more justifiable criticism would be loading. That was more of a problem for me, but you never mentioned that. It just kinda shows how we have very different definitions of what makes a game unplayable. Link's Awakening and Echos of Wisdom are more egregious with frame rate drops, yet people enjoy those games just fine. You then go into characters, and yet, that's another subjective thing. One could see value in stories between Willma and her family, Technikki and Adaphane, Jr. and Buddy, IDLE and Peach, or Burnette and Chilliam to be investing moments in the game, whereas others couldn't care. I think it was cool that Mario and Luigi was trying to establish some world building and more complex characters, as I feel like prior games in the series have failed to do that. I personally think that the themes of connections and self-indulgence were very bold for a Mario game. Paper Mario is better at this, but for Mario and Luigi to attempt this direction is very promising for the series. Luigi Logic isn't supposed to be a puzzle moment for the player. These are just sequences in which Luigi is told to do something and/or gives the player some new abilities/actions. The novelty is that you never know what it will be next, keeping Luigi Logic refreshing throughout the whole game. Boss battles are especially interesting as they introduce mini games that help hinder the enemy in a way that doesn't immediately grant the player a win. The game evolves on this concept, where the player has to find the right moment in a battle to use Luigi Logic, like in the Bowser fight. Making Luigi an AI ally in the overworld isn't an OBJECTIVLEY bad idea. Everyone reacts to it in different ways. I am personally fond of how the game finds new ways for Mario to interact with Luigi. I was worried about how many times the series could do the A button, B button platforming without it getting stale. I mean, Paper Jam made it so that you would jump with all three characters at once. No one cared then, so why do people care now Luigi Logic intertwines with Luigi's AI with this, as Mario is able to interact with him in ways that wouldn't be possible in other games. There are puzzles in which you both are trying to guide objects but have to be working together from other ends of a map, as well at stealth section with Luigi in his barrel and times when Luigi is timing a hammer swing to a switch and is called to Mario seamlessly. To see this as only a bad thing is overly cynical. The reason there are elements in which you are sorta competing with Luigi to collect sprite bulbs and coins is to give off the feeling of a brotherly rivalry for both the bros, it ultimatley means nothing, but is a cute addition to compete against Luigi for. While platforming separately and jumping on separate numbered platforms are mostly timed platforming challenges for Mario contextualized by the Luigi AI sorta competing with you. Timed platforming challenges are nothing new for Mario and Luigi, and the only difference here is that Luigi is initiating them which mechanically means that the platforming can be more precise with just one bro. Now, I agree that the combat of TTYD is better, but that doesn't mean that the combat of this game is not good in its own right. Though Mario and Luigi have a smaller pool of enemies than TTYD, TTYD already had a baseline to take from in the original Paper Mario game. If you want to make an unfavorable comparison for TTYD, TTYD has you fight koopas, goombas, fuzzies, dry bones, clefs, puffs, and piranha plants, all of which were enemies from the first game as the primary enemies from chapter 1-the great boggly tree. Chapter 3 features most enemies from the original Paper Mario, and chapter 4 has buzzy beetles, hyper enemies, and boos, all of which were again from the original Paper Mario. Brothership, though having old enemies, has a lot of new types of interactions with these older enemies. Now, ignoring this. Let me go over some exclusive features that make Brothership's combat more balanced and interesting that TTYD's. Enemies in Brothership can team up with one another for new types of attacks, while enemies themselves often have multiple attacks. Mario and Luigi can be slower than enemies making is so that the player is not always guaranteed the first turn meaning that there are times in which the enemies have the upper hand and that your defense matters in a way that Paper Mario doesn't acknowledge. The battle plugs were an original idea that add complexity to battles and could be adjusted several times in battle, while badges were ripped from the original game and are hard to adapt to upcoming threats, as new players cannot predict the upcoming battles. You mention backtracking, but TTYD does this as well, but usually with worse rewards. I see the backtracking for side quests in both of these RPGs to represent the intrinsic value of immersing yourself in the game world more often than anything else. Though there are two things that I agree with you on that are a little problematic. 1.) The slow start of the game. It does take too long for things to get started, but I never had a problem with this because I just wanted to see what the game was getting at here by establishing Concordia. But yeah. This is definitely a problem as the first 3 Mario and Luigi games were so well-paced. 2.) The limited number of attacks. This was acknowledged with the plugs and gear combinations that add variation, but even then, I still yearn for more options. To me though, the game is more about reaction times, when to use bros moves, and when and where allocate gear and plugs. That's what makes the combat engaging enough for me. For me, besides reintroducing the hand attacks from Superstar Saga with fire and ice powers for the bros, I have a hard time thinking about other combat mechanics that can be added to the game. You, sir, are just offering deconstructive criticism, where you say the game is limited in attacking methods, but fail to provide any solutions to this. I 100%ed this game and really enjoyed it. Probably an 8/10 for me. Giving this game a 5/10 is implying that the game is only "half good" when this game has so much to offer and its clear to see the passion pouring into various facets of this game. Furthermore, Logan's rationale behind how a 5/10 is not bad and is mediocre doesn't sit well with me because it's one point away from what IGN would consider a "bad" game. IGN rarely gives games a 3, 2, or 1 rating. So, this game is essentially 1 point away from one of IGNs lowest review scores. Ballan Wonderworld is just one point away for comparison. Regardless of the criticisms, it is clear that this was a project made with passion. This is no Paper Jam or Mario Sports Superstars for 3DS, with bland direction. There is some genuine artistry here. This is the only Mario and Luigi game I went out of my way to 100% too (aside for Partners in Time because that's a difficult game to judge 100% completion in my opinion), so that has to say something about the game. I would say that I am as passionate about Mario and Luigi as Logan is, but he channeled his passion into nitpicking over small problems while choosing to not see the merit of some of the decisions of the game. I channel my passion to look at both what the good and bad do and am more forgiving to certain problems with the game as long as there is some merit to reason for those "problems". For example, TTYD is one of my most favorite games of all time, and though it's certainly not perfect, I would want to give the game a 10/10 because I can look past its shortcomings to see the artistic merit behind it. I digress. Though the pace of Brothership was too slow at the start, the game kept me hooked with unexpected turns of the game's story and gameplay additions. It's frustrating how you seem to be hyper nitpicking over a game that has many great elements to it. A bold story with more heavy themes than what I would expect out of a Mario and Luigi game, a unique and innovative battle system, cinematic cutscenes, moments of comedy, an art style that evolves from past games and a fun overall gameplay loop.

[@Laughy-Flaaffy]

Bro you write way too much, ain’t nobody gonna read all this 🤣

[@nickymaker4804]

This is really well written and it was exactly what I was thinking. More people should read this. Unironically, you should be a game reviewer. Great writing 👍

[@nickk3077]

@@Laughy-Flaaffy I’d appreciate it if people did. I think Beat ‘Em Ups made himself look like a fool for going out of his way to make a 30 minute video about how this game is a 5/10 when the game is well-made. Though my response is long, it’s not a longer read than watching his 30 minutes of complaining.

[@Videokid7234]

Trust me, I lost some respect on him when HE THINKS EVERYBODY 1-2 SWITCH IS BETTER THAN THIS. It's literally the stupidest, and I mean the stupidest response I have heard. I love this game, like 7/10 on a bad day, and this game made me have some genuine happiness in me with how creative this game is. I am at the point where I have like half of the map explored, and my only complaints are the slow start and limits on the attacks, as you said. BeatEmUps is way too critical and cynical on the game when AS A CASUAL GAMER I don't even see.

[@nickymaker4804]

⁠​⁠@@nickk3077 I just don’t understand why he made the video. This game is already a split opinion with some people hating it and some loving it. Both sides have good and bad arguments that’s why i think this game is a 8/10 (or at worse a 7/10) but he came in said that this game sucks, he hates it and that everyone should hate it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but like his takes and explanations were mostly bad (as nickk3077 already explained)and it was hard to watch. His interview with Logan was not that great, it didn’t help to explain his or Logan’s reasoning and more just affirm that the game is bad and that’s it. I would’ve just ignored this video but I think what really makes it bad is that he targets the people that enjoy the game as they are wrong and why are they enjoying this game. Also the bit with Logan was basically a “The people are wrong to criticize your review and you and I are right, how dare people have different opinions than us”. I just don’t understand the need to hate the game and convince people to also hate the game when this game dosen’t deserve it.

[@trabacon9227]

Brothership is a good game. I don’t know what game y’all was playing.

[@Nintendofan781]

I agree. I guess people forget the Mario and Luigi games are fantastic unlike Paper Mario nowadays

[@rhymm9099]

Yup i agree! a 5 is not a bad score just mid! So i dont know what people are complaining about!

[@Laughy-Flaaffy]

Yeah I think everyone is saying it’s good, just 5/10 good 😂

[@thesmartestluigi]

its because of how ign tosses 7 and 8 and 9s like candy on halloween

[@jacobniehaus]

Oof. This review ain't it.

[@jacobniehaus]

Also, how do you block channels? I'm tired of this guy.

[@jobi-wankenobi2244]

As someone who ACTUALLY grew up with the Mario and Luigi series, its the best since Bowsers Inside Story LOL. C'mon Wood!

[@thesmartestluigi]

true even king of skill liked it he even the first half as it didnt disappoint at all

[@cbarbs1730]

Mario and Luigi brothership is LEAGUES better than paper jam. The 5/10 is ridiculous. I think the game deserves an 8

[@vinnyrogmans]

I sense a new friendship/partnership growing in this video! Let’s get Logan on the podcast!

[@EMANsINFERNO]

A Brothership perhaps

[@robotortoise]

The worst Nintendo Switch game? That's not Everybody 1-2 Switch! But... wow, the concept art looks so interesting and unique! I didn't pick up Brothership because it didn't look super interesting and different, and the characters and writing didn't seem like a selling point. What's the point if the characters aren't interesting or unique? I'd love a Mario Luigi game in an 2D+HD art style. That seems interesting and different.

[@ch3wie300fn]

Its for the year

[@TetheredSeth]

1-2 switch wasn't bad though. It's lack of support is what caused it to suck.

[@Sparx632]

The characters are definitely interesting and unique in Brothership. Sure some of the concept art was cool, but the characters aren't one of the issues with the game imo.

[@OGlezoking]

​@Sparx632 i strongly agree the bosses and the characters are very different from any mario i ever played

[@battlesofparadise]

This video is more of a reason why I despise rating systems for games. People are too symbolic these days and act as if their opinion are the only ones that matter. You can dislike a game Wood, but don't go bashing people for liking the game. You're literally no better than the people who bashed ign for giving the game a 5. Everyone has their own opinion dude, learn how to deal with them instead of attacking them for liking something you don't.

[@felipemartinez9140]

Calling it the worst Nintendo Switch game is insane and wrong tho, like what

[@CuteRedPanda64]

Fr and everybody 1-2 switch is right there.

[@paynomind81]

every mario game gets hyped up no matter the quality.

[@crimsxndemize4175]

Thought I was the only one thinking this,I wish Nintendo would just go 3rd party

[@KevinVeroneau]

Breath of the Wild had much less enemy types, so perhaps the devs of Brotherhood thought, well Breath of the Wild was able to be successful with so little enemy diversity, our game could get away with it too. Honestly, the low amount of enemy variety in Breath of the Wild is what makes that game feel a bit repetitive after awhile.

[@hass556]

Copy and paste opinion. Grow a brain and think for yourself.

[@princess_niya2407]

And the world is empty

[@joethompson79]

I think too many people think that a game's score automatically starts at a 10 by default, and then you can start deducting based on each nitpick, rather than giving a score based on the overall quality, i.e. excellent, good, average, poor, etc.

[@TacoFusion]

This is a crazy hit piece ignores basically all the good. It’s a 7/10, 7/10 means the game is good 7/10 is nowhere near worst game of the year.

[@mouthcamtropefemale]

Not a hit piece, it's a review. He explained why it's mid, not bad, but mid. That means there's good and bad. I'd give it a 6 at best.

[@xshme]

Well no. Its a 5, not a 0

[@tannible_lector]

Maybe not worst game of the year but it just looks so bland and boring. 40 hours of bright colors with no substance

[@jarretticeearthguard8614]

@@tannible_lector "Bland" and "bright colours" don't really go together.

[@darthdead97]

​​@@jarretticeearthguard8614let's say you get to eat the most delicious meal. For the first time and some after it will be perfect. But what if that's all you get to eat? Then it gets bland really fast.

[@wisdomsprince2506]

This game has been so much fun. It’s been a near perfect experience. There are some stutters parts but it really doesn’t distract from the game much. The progression is so good and so are the puzzles. The character design for the supporting characters could be better. Combat is amazing.

[@Bearded_Positivity]

In all honesty, I have enjoyed brothership. Yeah there is quite a bit of conversation and the characters are not very impressive, but I do enjoy the layout and battle. Also, you can very much tell by the conversations and the Luigi logic that this was heavily targeted for younger audiences.

[@huntersausageandredbeardsh2360]

Combat is most of the game. IGN is crazy to say they only like 85% of the game and give it a 5. That makes no sense.

[@fusion1801]

if combat is most of the game and the rest of the game isn't holding its own weight then yeah giving it a low score makes sense.

[@Cozwantsthatpie]

Honestly I enjoyed this game. If you’ve played every other Mario and Luigi I suggest playing this one too

[@flagmanjames]

But I love Mario & Luigi: Brothership! It was Acquire's first attempt at the series and there has been lots of great moments. I think it's a ton of nostalgia Blinding here with Superstar Saga.

[@darcidious99]

I love how everyone complains about luigi not having prominence in this game... He does more in this game than any other M&L game apart from dream team... and yall didn't like dream team for some reason either. I'm starting to think you guys just hate when Luigi does things. In all seriousness, the only 3 real issues the game has are the slow start, the performance drops in the last 3rd of the game, and the drop in writing quality in the last 3rd too (seriously if I had to hear about "bonds" any more times I was gonna tear Cozzette a new socket). Not a 10/10 but it's definitely a good game and in the middle of the M&L games, It's definitely better than that dogshit paperjam.

[@ylondes9927]

Dream teams writing is atrocious, the gameplay is mediocre, it relied too much on the 3D and it's just a 10 hour game stretched to the max

[@hist150project5]

"Mario and Luigi Brothership is riddled with performance issues, It suffers from insanely slow pacing, a forgettable story with non-memorable characters" You just described Tears of the Kingdom to a tee

[@Lisa_TheChannel]

It's okay to not like the game, but judging the people who enjoyed it and gave it a high score (while implying that some of them were "afraid" to say what they really though with that Logan comment) is just hateful, let people like stuff, if you didn't like it then make your video about how it sucks but don't attack the people who think differently or contradict your point if view.

[@PikachuLover0927]

The whole reason why I love the original Mario RPG games is from the story. Also will have to say that Luigi’s Mansion (the original) was better at showing Luigi’s personality than this game. The original showed it with actual dialogue while the other ones still had personality, they didn’t show it through the dialogue. Luigi Logic made me think of the SpongeBob “I have an idea” meme. The Luigi logic was cool but it could’ve been way better especially if you could-you know ACTUALLY play him other than the battles

[@claudiofistmaster]

Look, it’s my personal opinion ok? I didn’t like Mario RPG. I thought it was boring and I foooooorced myself to beat it. This one though, I’m 20 hours in and loving it. So, a matter of taste? 🤷🏻‍♂️ I would love to hear you guys opinion

[@southsidegamer5611]

100% feel the same, I love RPGs and after playing so many epic stories, mario rpg is so basic in comparison. The combat and mood is fun but I'm not obsessed with it like how many others are, who make it out to be one of the best. Okay at best, but I can definitely understand the high reviews as it's a polished solid game

[@claudiofistmaster]

@ I was bored 99% of the time…Never had any challenge and wasn’t having fun. Brotherhood on the other hand I’m loving

[@AnormaIPerson3121]

​@@claudiofistmasterBrothership is the worst mario & luigi, but not a bad game

[@hist150project5]

@AnormaIPerson3121 Can’t be the worst when Paper Jam exists.

[@AnormaIPerson3121]

@@hist150project5 true, second worst then

[@cosygracegames]

I don’t know why I smiled so big at Logan plant just appearing, I love when videos go a bit deeper than you’d expect, thanks for putting in that extra bit wood!!

[@ChaosDS64]

I hate his review for one Mario and Luigi games never really focused on story and also you never control Luigi in any of the games except for Superstar Saga and also you're trying to play the game safe because it's been 10 years since the original game for the Mario & Luigi and also you're comparing it to other RPGs from other Developers who have more experience at doing this they know the games we're going to be good because they've been making more of those games it's been 10 years since the last Mario and Luigi game

[@dataroaming7512]

You're annoyed about games being compared within the same genre? If I could spend my time doing something, ofc I'm going to choose the better options, what is this argument. "playing it safe" since it's been so long somehow voids all criticism? Yeah sorry no, the series died because it played it too safe, this was the time they *had* to take a risk and they blew it.

[@ChaosDS64]

@dataroaming7512 The first new game needs to play it safe and if it goes off the rails it will fail so in the next game it could be something new and also new a new Dev team is working on the game and him comparing Brothership to other RPG's made by a Dev knowing what to do it's like giving a gun to a baby and a assassin the baby needs to train to use it while the Assassin has many years of training under their belts at using guns. So can you see what I'm going on about now

[@dataroaming7512]

@ChaosDS64 Buddy Acquire is an established studio, the director may be new in the role but he’s been within the industry for a long time, these aren’t infants that don’t know what they’re doing. And games are inherently a creative art-form, compelling art requires a level of risk, games that play it too safe like this one ultimately fail, like it did.

[@ChaosDS64]

@dataroaming7512 I have a Counterpoint this is a Mario game Mario games are always safe for the most part literally look at the new Super Mario Bros series and those things sold well they didn't tell the best but they did decent for what they were the only times when Nintendo didn't play it safe what is with Mario Wonder and a couple of other spin-off games like Paper Mario and also Nintendo has full control over what the game is and Nintendo usually does the right thing that's how the survive in the console Wars so long they're the reason why the PlayStation exists and Microsoft tried to buy them out and Nintendo laughed at them and also he was comparing Mario and Luigi a game series that's been dead for 10 years to a literal remake of a Final Fantasy game that was in the PS5 of course Mario & Luigi I'm going to be at that level the PS5 is 15 times stronger then a switch

[@dataroaming7512]

@ChaosDS64 Thanks for bringing up new super Mario bros because it exactly proves my point, new super Mario bros sold 30 million copies, while its sequel sold almost a third of that at 13 million copies, the Wii U games sold even less than that for obvious reasons. It is the pinnacle example of a Nintendo series playing it far too safe, and you know what bought the series back? Wonder did over a decade since new super Mario bros U and they took a risk, shows you it can be done. And saying mainline Mario games don’t take creative risks? Look at Mario Galaxy, Odyssey, Sunshine, and 64. Games full of creativity and CAN compete with games from other consoles at the time because they were just that good. When wood was comparing it to final fantasy, it wasn’t about visuals, it was about gameplay and story, two categories where Nintendo is perfectly capable of competing. They just fumbled the bag here, plain and simple.

[@Tennindo]

Funny enough alot of the mechanics seem to be tied to Co op, but the co op was dropped and turned into a single player game. I personally feel the game would have been amazing if you could play with your friends in local and online co op. Everything would have made more since then

[@Kirblob]

At this point, partners in time should have a remake or a new mario and luigi game referencing all the games so the next mario and luigi game would feel similar to previous games that cant be made anymore since alphadream went bankrupt. I wish there was a way to refund alphadream.

[@jaKobus914]

😂the fact that he lied about enemy types in an 18 year old game to make a point.

[@Umbrella2]

FF9 dialogue and charcaters are super charming and memorable. ❤

[@bwittykatt]

Woah I reeeally want a rough around the edges Mario game now! I’m so bummed we didn’t get that…Please Nintendo give us a new rugged Mario game!

[@TheGreatVoicemancer]

2:21 you absolutely lost me here, the mario and luigi battle system is supposed to be different and unique from other battle systems, which it definitely is, its more interactive, keeps you on your toes, and is very fun.

[@Umbrella2]

Logan seems like such a lovely guy! 😊 I didn’t realise it was him who gave it the 5, he seems pretty fair from what I’ve seen of him before.

[@joefisher3950]

I love having Logan on. Super cool!

[@aquelgamermexicano]

Hope the engagement helps with the electric bill

[@BetoZayasGaoking]

This video sound like rage bait 😂😂

[@VErnesto]

Idk I bought it to myself for Christmas and I'm loving it so far. And I've played every Mario & Luigi

[@carlosperen4238]

Some of the criticisms are legitimate. The game needs better pacing, and more special bros attacks. But outside of that the game shines. Definitely takes far too long to out its best foot forward. But its far from bland. One of the most intriguing stories in the series in its latter moments, and the presentation is incredibly endearing. But i understand that many people these days dont have the time to invest in something that takes so long to get going. These reviews, however, are being overly harsh. Given the care and passion given to its creation, a 5 is unkind to those who put work into the game. From a schooling perspective? Barely a passing grade?! I think the criticisms being made are valuable and worthwhile to see futher improvement, but the resultant outcomes arrived at need review.

[@nicholasdiaz1925]

Sorry but being kind or unkind is not relevant whatsoever in reviewing a product imo. The point of a review is to give an analysis of the product itself and a subjective evaluation for others to utilize in their consideration of engaging with or purchasing said product. Context is helpful and it’s great to consider how hard the creators worked on it, but the review is an evaluation of the product itself, not the team behind it or their efforts. Sometimes a team or person can be very passionate and work hard, but their product just doesn’t work out for a multitude of reasons. That’s ok, but as a consumer my primary concern is about the product itself. On the other hand, insulting the reviewer and posting hateful messages online and freaking out because of his personal evaluation after actually playing the entire game: that’s unkind, and very uncool.

[@dataroaming7512]

You can't void criticism because they tried *really really hard*. You know another team filled with people passionate about the project they were working on? Concord, one of the worst flops in the history of gaming. passion does not substitute quality.

[@michailp3021]

I didn’t notice any performance issues I guess it’s because I have the switch pro! Also having to press jump for both characters in the previous games was way too taxing for my fingers so glad they streamlined the controls and now it’s limited to certain areas where you need to control Luigi. Battles open up after awhile introducing new mechanics such as the plugs that add variety to the mix. As for the story haven’t finished the game yet but it has kept my interest so far and planning on completing the game!

[@AeyGee]

Man, these bots are annoying.

[@KevinAccetta]

I've gone through maybe the first 5-6 islands, and man, theres WAY TOO MUCH DIALOGUE AND INTERRUPTIONS..! I don't need a little mini cutscene every single time Luigi has an idea, which happens ALL THE TIME. And I'm not a fan of the world being broken into islands, it makes the exploring more boring than before. Also having no bosses in the first ~4 islands..? You just get to the end and you're done, no interesting thing happens lol. Also also, so many slow loading screens... I *LOVE* the old M&L games, but this one just isn't it... PS. Dialogue wouldn't be a problem if the story/dialogue were interesting.

[@firework0097]

Your proving me you never played the other titles Cause they are even worse in dialogue

[@dataroaming7512]

@@firework0097 I love how this means literally nothing lmao

[@firework0097]

It does mean Cause yall say how much better the OTHERS MARIO AND LUIGI GAMES ARE and then they have the same exact problems as this one​@@dataroaming7512

[@thesmartestluigi]

you can speed it up but dawg it isnt that bad

[@KevinAccetta]

@@firework0097 Ehh no. The dialogue in the older ones was more enjoyable than this one's dialogue and story

[@thovia]

i liked the part where you didnt whine and complain, oh wait

[@jowysw]

Can we please stop with the whole "how did they score the game this high? They must be wrong!" thing? I mean, unless it's like something really obvious, like the game literally not working or running at 10fps and having a 9/10 across the board, it's literally different opinions I hated the beginning of Brothership but after it finally got going I actually ended up enjoying it much more than I thought. But, hey, that's just my opinion... and if I gave it a 7/10 with that opinion it would probably be an "undeserved" one I guess.

[@SwimmerChick1821]

I didn't get the impression he thought they were wrong, I got the impression he was trying to understand where they're coming from. It feels strange to have a different opinion than a loud group of people, or what may seem like a majority of people, regardless of context. In general, it feels weird to look at something people loudly enjoy and know you didn't feel the same way.

[@silviovanmaasbommel7701]

I don't think people are mocking IGN for giving this game a 5, they are mocking them for giving this game a 5 and dragon age a 9

[@jonathanmatos714]

I Love Brothership… To each there own i guess

[@CelticGlasgow92]

The IGN review wasn’t clowned on for the score, it was clowned on because they tweeted it out about 5 times a day for interactions

[@eatfrishkirby6191]

You seriously need a script writer/editor. The amount of contradictions and weirdly vague formulated criticism is honestly very staggering

[@lrbag8269]

The only reviews I see for this game are 5/10 or 9/10 and I feel awkward thinking that’s it’s just an alright 7/10 game. It’s Unnecessarily long for how much content actually exists in the game. It’s way too padded

[@joseaguilar3323]

That Luigi joke is as close as Beatemups will ever come at being edgy.

[@pwnswoggle]

Not a fan of the game myself but this guys analysis is just terrible tbh.

[@ScurvyBay]

The reason why there was so much backlash for the IGN score was because they kept sharing it over and over again on Twitter. You couldn't go a few hours without seeing IGN post the 5/10 score. If they had just posted it once and then moved on, there never would have been so much backlash. I think they kept posting it so much because they were getting engagement, albeit negative. Regardless, posting it once is enough. No need to keep beating a dead horse.

[@ArtemisWasHere]

It’s a rare point where I must disagree with you on this.

[@WHIKKEDDDD]

I think Logan is one of the only bright spots on IGN. they have for years given really great games middle or low scores - their movie department is just as bad.

[@Mattgyver1987]

Hey Wood I love these in-depth reviews keep it up you're doing a great job

[@wiseman_snap7346]

Fair opinion but why draw attention to reviewers with scores over 90 that have Nintendo in their names when theres 4 of them total vs 18 that are not Nintendo related. Seems like an argument made in bad faith tbh

[@RoccoValencia-dk1xd]

I’m glad they chose the art style they did. I think HD-2D looks ugly

[@NintendoTherapyPodcast]

"He is there the whole time so that's something" Except for the section that he's not because he gets sent ahead lol They didn't even do that for the full game.

[@tdotran]

I’m about 12 hours in, I wish the side characters were more interesting. I just don’t care for ANY of them. Right now I’m struggling to continue my play through. It’s pretty average at the moment.

[@tannible_lector]

I feel you. To me if a game doesn’t have me actively wanting to continue then it’s just a bad game.

[@Caffeinated_Warrior]

The amount of areas, dialogue and just overall content in general was massive honestly but there WERE lots of times when I thought that it was just too much. I liked parts of the game but had to admit that 90% of the sidequest rewards were absolutely useless and the sidequests themselves were boring and uninspired. It felt like they were needlessly pumping in content for the sole purpose of stretching out the completion time. There were mainline story parts that made NO sense like when the kids volunteer to be blasted out of a cannon, into a wall, fully expecting certain death and Mario and company just go along with it like "Sure! That's cool! Let's needlessly sacrifice some little kids" followed by a scene that implied that the kids did in fact die. By the time I completed the game I was relieved that it was over and I could spend my time elsewhere.

[@ThatSavoieDude]

I think Mario Odyssey is a 10

[@joshuawizard2027]

Can you name a single Mario game, with cover art that doesn't look like it's a kids game? 🤣 It's MARIO.

[@koiofokinawa]

Whining about people enjoying the game doesn't make you look good.

[@vladi3862]

i seriously don't get how one can get so angry about other people having fun

[@Cynim]

Some criticism are fair, but too many people have been too harsh on this game, IMHO.

[@darklinggaymer3032]

Tbh Pokemon Scarlet Violet is probably the worst game on switch compared to any other Switch game. It was boring, slower gameplay than sword shield which both use the classic Pokemon battle system. Had to delete it and wish Nintendo gave a refund option for it. Mario and Luigi Brothership is tbh a 8/10. It is slow but only at the start tbh and the artstyle is the best one we got for awhile for a Mario game.

[@RuuyG]

I love Pokémon, I'm sorry for being toxic, but I seriously question the cognitive capabilities of adults who liked SV. Like, maybe if you're a complete casual and you think games running at 20 FPS, with a non-existent plot for the most part, terrible graphics, stupid gym quests, that this is all normal? But I see people who played masterpieces like Dragon Quest XI claim SV are wonderful lol How can you like something completely mediocre at best when you have literally seen one of the best games in this genre? Idk, maybe these people are on drugs while they play Pokémon.

[@lutr0_679]

​@@RuuyG im looking to get dq11, is it called echoes of something?

[@RuuyG]

​@lutr0_679yes Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age. Really recommend it, but keep in mind that you will need patience, it's an extremely large RPG, the beginning is high quality but slow, lots of traveling and boss battles. But it is probably the best classic style RPG, and it is very classic, keep that in mind, don't expect anything super modern in the combat system or storytelling, it's just the best version of the very classic JRPG formula, with amazing modern graphics.

[@lutr0_679]

@RuuyG ill buy it tn and check it out🙌🏻

[@Irrelevant210]

@@RuuyGSV Has serious issues for sure and is probably one of the worst on the console because of the issues with the fps and graphics and so on so forth, but I think it’s unfair to completely deny anything good that it has because of those issues. People lump in everything with the graphical issues and frame issues. The story was completely fine if not pretty good, shiny hunting is so much nicer for everyone, as it’s way more casual accesible. A lot of the new Pokémon designs were pretty good. The music was phenomenal. A lot of other ideas like the choice of gyms and such are there but just weren’t properly executed. I understand and agree with the criticism and frustration of the clearly unpolished-ness of the game, but it still has some decent qualities and was still overall fun, at least for me, especially since the worst I ever ran into was just the fps issues, never anything worse. I definitely wish they’d just get help from other studios to properly optimize and wish they had done that for SV though.

[@EpicPaul64]

Me: "Tears of the Kingdom is currently my favorite game, but I think the story is bad, and--" Others: "You're a Nintendo fanboy! You'll defend anything Nintendo puts out." Also Me: "Pokemon Scarlet and Violet are a disgrace to gaming and should be removed from the eShop. Nintendo should be embarrassed that they even sort of promoted it. But at least the open world element is to be commend--" Others: "But you just hate Pokemon!" Also Also Me: "I couldn't stand Echoes of Wisdom, despite loving Tears of the Kingdom. I hated Super Mario Bros. 3, despite loving Super Mario Bros. Wonder. I didn't like Fire Emblem Engage, despite adoring Three Houses. I have standards even within Nintendo franchises I like." Sort of the vibe I detect you'll get from future comments, assuming you haven't gotten some already, and I just don't feel like scrolling through the hate. Overall, I agree with your assessment, and getting Logan's opinion in there helps IGN feel more human.

[@ShinobiSalmon]

I'm an avid Mario & Luigi fan, so I am ashamed to say I haven't finished the game.. and have not touched it in 2 months 😅

[@japanesecinema6736]

When I found out that I couldnt play it with my wife, I was no longer interested. What a let down...

[@brettpardue8786]

The 7's aren't really the problem with IGN. The problem is when they give something like Concord an 8 which was the biggest failure of video game has ever been that absolutely no one liked and then you give Stellar Blade a lower score that was universally loved. Steve's review scores are paid for by certain developers and it's very clear.

[@G22865]

That's the point. The interview with the reviewer was very friendly but tge question should have been asked how can IGN give this game which is loved by so many yet give concord an 8, a game that was so bad it was killed off. No consistency in scores. And shows IGN can't be trusted.

[@squeakyknee]

@@G22865 Because every review is done by a different person??? How is this so difficult to grasp? Logan didn't rate Concord. The IGN execs aren't the ones rating games. Also, you're both incorrect in your own statements. IGN gave Concord a 7, and the review was done by Travis. Do Nintendo fan boys think at all?