What Went Wrong With Sonic Origins

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

The moral of the story: quality work sells itself. Rush jobs are shelved to be forgotten…

[@crankylink13]

Or remembered to be terrible.

[@IronBlaze77]

“Quality work sells itself.” I like that phrase.

[@HOTD108_]

Sonic Origins is digital only, so it can't even be shelved lol.

[@heroicgangster9981]

Sonic Origins is just carried by the opening/ending animations and the Sonic 3 & Knuckles 60FPS widescreen remaster people wanted for years. The soundtrack would have the be modded though.

[@princesspixel3151]

@@HOTD108_ No, but it could be “delisted” for whatever reason

[@jamcalx]

Sadly Sega Corporate has already had such issues with THE SUITS as far back as the 90s, such as with console development and making US and Japan devs compete when it was better served to allow both end team up, etc.

[@mickidoesmedia]

It amazes me how Sega is responsible for effecting Sega's bottom line. Doesn't make any sense.

[@HighPriestFuneral]

Let's not forget the debacle of Sonic X-Treme that doomed the Saturn when it failed due to corporate meddling.

[@costby1105]

As far as it effecting the Sonic Series itself, A Happy meal promotion was why Sonic 3 was split into two parts. Sonic 3 and Knuckles is almost the intended sonic 3 with the zone not necessarily being in the intended order. At bare minimum Flying battery zone was supposed to be between Carnival Night zone and Ice Cap Zone which is why enemies from that zone appear in Sonic 3's manual.

[@jonnyblanka]

@@costby1105 can you explain what you mean about the happy meal promotion?

[@costby1105]

@@jonnyblanka The TDLR of it is that Sega was Contractually obligated to Release Sonic 3 in February of 1994 to coincide with the Sonic the Hedgehog 3 happy meal promotion. The title was only about 50-60% complete which is why we got Sonic and Knuckles with lock on technology to patch in the missing content. The title definitely could have fit on a 4 meg cartridge instead of the two 2 megabyte carts.

[@metashade4218]

Short answer: Sega crunching their developers to rush their games in order to meet a deadline...again

[@DemonDethchase]

History doesn't repeat itself, Sega does.

[@thedraftingax5963]

@@DemonDethchase yeah

[@namenlosNamenlos]

Sega endlessly wondering why they no longer in the gaming console business anymore. (i.e. end result of dreamcast.)

[@bluestar5812]

@@namenlosNamenlos Had Sega not be a part of a giant conglomerate it would be dead as a Game Studio as well, very much likw the original SNK. They had so many Ls with Sonic and many of their classic franchises lost relevance they should been bankrupt, but I think the merge with Sammy keeps them afloat. The premature death of the Dreamcast was the result of many years of bad management that could be traced as far back as the release of the SG-1000.

[@Shadamyfan-rs8xc]

Crunching is a big problem in general for the gaming industry (not just Sega).

[@JJWMK2]

SEGA are to blame for rushing games during development, also bad marketing Every time SEGA repeating history for rushing game during development they’re doom to fail (expect Sonic Adventure DX & Sonic Adventure 2 BATTLE - Dreamcast Original and GameCube Version)

[@Fyutara]

It’s Mainly involving games for Sonic’s Birthday (06 and now Origins) that SEGA rushes and in result a buggy mess. Sure Origins isn’t as buggy as 06, but that doesn’t make it better

[@benceszarvas5464]

It was rushed and some extras unfinished but very polished compared to 06.

[@Diogo85]

@@benceszarvas5464 If you mean Sonic Adventure 2, that game was definitely not rushed and IMO is a masterpiece.

[@benceszarvas5464]

@@Diogo85 Sonic Adventure 2 is my favourite game ever but still it was rushed. Just like in Sonic 06/ Secret Rings the development team cut half and one half worked in Phantasy Star Online and the other in Sonic Adventure 2. They also had a tight deadline. For example Super Sonic and Hyper Shadow were planned to be playable in 2player mode but they didn't have time to make it possible. Still big respect to the team to made the best 3D Sonic game ever(SA1 is close second but Big's gameplay and the short gameplay stories gets in the way sadly

[@Chillipeffer]

SEGA lied. They didn't want the definitive edition of these games. They just wanted to make an easy dollar off their saviour's golden days. Sympathy for Headcannon, Izuka-San and nothing but disappointment for SEGASammy.

[@phantomblue2798]

I'm gonna screenshot this statement and post it on Discord

[@Green_Pix-L]

@@phantomblue2798 Feel free. When you do, give me the link.

[@jeremyknight9980]

It's a decent collection but it really did need more time. I hope Simon and his team will be allowed to patch Origins because 3 and K need it. I'm still wondering why the Origins version of CD doesn't have any cheat codes. Edit: nevermind, they are locked behind time attack challenges.

[@Teeeeee_J]

It does have cheat codes. You have to unlock them in the Time Attack.

[@jeremyknight9980]

@@Teeeeee_J Oh, I didn't know that. all the videos and articles I've seen haven't seen that yet. I'm so used to playing CD in Gems Collection.

[@Teeeeee_J]

@@jeremyknight9980 To unlock D.A. Garden you have to beat the Time Attack in under 30 Minutes To unlock the Visual Mode, you have to beat the game in under 25 Minutes To unlock the Sound Test, you have to beat the special stages in under 4 minutes To unlock the stage select, you have to beat the Special Stages under 5 minutes You unlock the Special Stages in Time Attack after beating all of the main levels in Time Attack. Hope this helps.

[@jeremyknight9980]

@@Teeeeee_J Thanks for letting me know. I had no idea those were locked behind time attack challenges.

[@Teeeeee_J]

@@jeremyknight9980 No problem.

[@catriamflockentanz]

Moral of the Story: Sega rushes Sonic again and again. How many times has that been to his benefit?

[@rapidloaf]

Gotta go fast!

[@theconfirmedaxisversion014]

If we count the whole Sonic 3 split up thing then only once

[@havenisthebest99]

9 games in Sonic’s history got rushed Sonic 2’s cut stages Sonic 3 & Knuckles’s split Sonic X-treme SA1’s Japanese launch 06 Rise of Lyric Forces Colors Ultimate and now Origins

[@rapidloaf]

@@havenisthebest99 Sonic Heroes as well. There's an infamous story about how the game testers were told that if a bug didn't flat out crash the game, not to report it.

[@thatdankguy5140]

I don't think sega cares about the critical reception of sonic. Since the games sell well regardless of how well loved or hated they are. Even Sonic 06 sold well despite the universal hate it had at the time.

[@LegionIscariot]

Rushed. Unpolished. Lack of features. Greedy tactics.

[@user_Z-]

What went wrong with Sonic Origins? 1. The debacle about the unnecessary pre-order chart making fans upset before release. 2. Like most games nowadays it has bugs that will hinder the experience for players, some worse than others depending on your choice of hardware to play it on. 3. [Not as severe but] The prototype music for latter half of Sonic 3 is clearly inferior to the original, lacking the same groovy feel they once had which was a major identity defining trait of the early Sonic franchise. And to me most importantly 4. The game is overpriced because the additional content it adds isn’t worth it and their insecurities in the product they created show, that’s why they took down the original ports from digital stores, not to avoid confusion for consumers but to clearly advertise the newer, more expensive and less polished game. It doesn’t compare to any of the previous collections that gave you such a memorable experience along with the games like Gems and Mega Collection Plus. This is all because of the publisher of the game, Sega. It’s not completely all on the developers.

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

Yeah Sega are struggling with their business after the people make Sonic they left Sega. Petty time soon Platinum games will leave Sega and going with Nintendo companies without bs money in the eyes.

[@MrOnepiecem7]

@@Twilight17Petkoton Platinum alredady leaved Sega, sorry for my english.

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

@@MrOnepiecem7 Oh my bad so far nothing on Bayonetta 3 for Nintendo Switch only 2 trailers that it.

[@koruoshouji9960]

​@@Twilight17Petkoton I think the last time PG worked with Sega was with the Bayonetta/Vanquish Remaster. After that Kamiya and Company has been pretty busy working with Nintendo and Square Enix

[@Twilight17Petkoton]

@@koruoshouji9960 Nintendo yes but Square Enix are struggling with their business so after people leaving Square Enix means they are losing on bankruptcy nothing else.

[@Kaybeeguy]

Stealth really deserves more love from the Sonic community for what he has done for classic Sonic titles.

[@niteriemcfarlane5285]

stealth who???

[@Kaybeeguy]

@@niteriemcfarlane5285 he is one of the devs for Sonic Mania and he also helped develop the mobile ports of Sonic 1 and 2. He is also the main head dev for Sonic Origins

[@BlulesBlue]

@@niteriemcfarlane5285 watch video bro

[@niteriemcfarlane5285]

@@BlulesBlue aight will do

[@trickstabber8117]

Because Sega, like always. I'm seriously considering how this franchise could be handled better in other people's hands.

[@baraodascolinas979]

Sonic Mania was de facto made by an independent team of north american fans. And it was and is very loved by fans and critics. Honestly I wish they were bought by someone else

[@MartKart8]

I have the Sonic Mega collection, got it back then for £19.99, That's sad that the team wasn't treated well. No one respond saying that Sonic Origins and Sonic Mega Collection are not the same.

[@autobotstarscream765]

They're the same in one regard, the one you brought up: the price, they released at around the same price ($50 for Mega Collection, $45 for Origins Plus), but are considered to be quite different in terms of bang for your buck with one setting a standard for such game compilations and the other seeming to fail to live up to it.

[@Majokodomo]

Honestly, I see no reason why I shouldn't play Mega Collection over Origins... And no, Sonic CD doesn't count! -_-

[@JP_Soup]

"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto

[@thedraftingax5963]

Facts

[@orangeslash1667]

@@thedraftingax5963 I feel like Sega have become the Japanese Activision, they only care about the number of games. Sonic games are rushed out so that Sega can prepare for the next one, just like Call of Duty.

[@peronafanman]

"Can everyone on the internet please stop quoting me?" -Shigeru Miyamoto

[@orangeslash1667]

@@peronafanman well Miyamoto is right. With the exception of Majora's mask, when has a rushed game ever bin great??????

[@peronafanman]

@@orangeslash1667 Fallout New Vegas, Dark Souls 2, Halo 2, Super Mario World. There are plenty of delayed games that turned out terrible: Cyberpunk, Aliens Colonial Marines, Duke Nukem Forever, Crackdown 3

[@koruoshouji9960]

I just hope Headcannon can work with other Devs for being honest, after this Sega doesn't deserve them

[@ModBros8434]

One thing that often bugs me is that, when something Sonic-related messes up, some people try to point fingers and figure out who messed it up. Since these people don't likely deeply understand the full inner workings of Sega, this information is often inaccurate, causing much unnecessary hate and confusion. If we were to instead truly understand and identify exactly what went wrong with the final product, it should encourage Sega to improve their working conditions to make sure the same problem doesn't come up again. That way, no one gets attacked, and the problem is solved

[@scrapbrainsinc]

The buck pretty much stops at Sega. It doesn't matter if you are Sega or any other company, you should make all products go through rigorous play testing and allow time for bug fixes. I don't think we need to completely understand what is going on at Sega. If they are failing to deliver a quality product without many serious issues, then they shouldn't be rewarded with good press and sales. I do say Stealth's team did an awesome job with Sonic 3 as it was and hopefully Sega will allow them to complete an update to Sonic 3 side of Orgins.

[@ModBros8434]

@@scrapbrainsinc I'm sorry if I worded my comment in a somewhat confusing way. I was not saying we should never criticize the games that Sega puts out, but that we shouldn't try to figure out who to blame for our criticisms, since we really don't know what happened internally that messed up the final product. For example, it was stated in Stealth's tweets that Izuka (I think that's how it's spelled) is a "cool guy" and often blamed for things beyond his control. These are the kind of situations we should avoid

[@atre5763]

But the problem is that SEGA has done this too many times already!!

[@angusyoung119]

Well gaslighting within their own company won't help us get any closer to those answers, so angry speculation is all that can be done sometimes. And Sonic games tend have little BTS info on them, and what we do get is usually people pointing fingers and blaming other people for issues, without getting any answer at all, let alone bad ones. Some people may have problems in where they direct their anger, but when communication is little to non-existent, then what do you expect a fan base to do?

[@fdg2208]

I guess Sega hasn’t learned anything after the whole thing with Colors Ultimate.

[@Takeru9292]

Why do they always have to mess up with sonic? And why do they always have tight deadlines? It begs the question if Sonic was actually ever really good since the series has not had amazing games since the Sega genesis era. I mean look at Mario, from the super Nintendo to the 64, game cube, wii, and now Switch. 90% of all modern Mario games have been superb and pushed the boundaries on what a platform game can do. And what of Sonic?

[@MirrorHall_Clay]

You'd think they'd know better than to rush games by now with how many times it's screwed them :/

[@yahirsanchez-silva2127]

@@MirrorHall_Clay GOTTA GO FAST

[@princesspixel3151]

@S292 Hate to say this… but they can’t. Even Nintendo has their flaws that everyone gets upset about.

[@atre5763]

I mean Sonic has ALWAYS had this issue.

[@Eminster]

Hell no sonic has great games after 3&k. Don't you dare. That is a down right lie

[@adultmoshifan87]

I hope one day Sonic 3 gets a rerelease with the Jackson music intact! Even if it's as an Arcade1up cabinet I'd welcome it!

[@fun-epersonnproductions4002]

What was the last time Sonic Team made a game that wasn't obviously rushed?

[@Chillipeffer]

probably never, but it's worse now more than ever

[@zemchia]

Probably Sonic 2, as Sonic games were rushed as early as Sonic 3. It's possible that the last non-rushed game was Sonic CD, but I don't know much of that games developement.

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

Sonic unleashed is one

[@JonathanLundkvist]

Buyers remorse here honestly. I had such high hopes for animation that would flesh out the story - but nope, its underwhelming and too few of them and not even voice acted. I had high hopes for them being an honest representation of the titles but no, cheesing first Sonic 1 boss is no longer a thing. I had high hopes they would be a good remaster but the graphics is not considerably updated. I still like it but its not 40 EUR good. For what we got, its more like twenty. Somewhere in this game, there is a glimmer of effort. Such as when you play Sonic 1 as Tails and the starting screen adjusts to show Tails instead.

[@spence8507]

Good thing all of the good things from the collection are from the mobile ports. Which they made way worse for some reason

[@TheGoldNShadow]

@@spence8507 I haven’t noticed anything bad about the mobile ports. Unless you mean the ports on Origins, in which case, I can’t comment.

[@spence8507]

@@TheGoldNShadow yeah I'm talking about Origins

[@Scerttle]

Honestly, after this crapshow how does Sega expect us to have faith in Sonic Frontiers?

[@mikdan8813]

This is just sad. Still, for a Sonic fan, it's nothing new. We live in sorrow and disappointment.

[@Shadamyfan-rs8xc]

Then your just sad

[@Diegothefox-q6s]

im more angry that they pulled alot of the games off of the steam store for this lackluster release

[@Tulf42]

Everyone remember when they made the Sonic 1 port for Gameboy Advance for the 15th anniversary? Well, Origins could be considered today's equivalent of this to some degree.

[@TheShuuman]

Nuuuu that isn't even a close comparison.

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

Sonic Origins was rushed. It's missing the Sonic games for the Master System, Game Gear, 32X and the Saturn. And the new Super/Hyper tune sucks. Sonic Team, Christian Whitehead and Jun Senoue should have reused the prototype/PC version of the unused Super/Hyper tune for the Sonic 3 remake, but no, they screwed it up big time. Plus, the levels in Sonic 3 are not in the correct order. The correct level order in Sonic 3 is Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Flying Battery (At night), Ice Cap, Launch Base, Mushroom Valley (Mushroom Hill's true name), Sandopolis, Lava Reef, Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary, Death Egg and Doomsday. Plus, Knuckles' theme tune is not the original prototype/PC version and Lava Reef, Part 1's background music was not remixed and to be used as background music for Lava Reef, Part 2. In other words, Lava Reef, Part 2's background music sounds nothing like Lava Reef, Part 1's background music. Lava Reef, Part 2's background music is the Hidden Palace background music played twice. For example, ever played the Genesis/Mega Drive version of Sonic 3D Blast (aka Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island)? In the Volcano Valley levels, there are two different versions of the Genesis/Mega Drive version of the Volcano Valley background music. For example, Volcano Valley, part 2's background music is a more softer remixed version of Volcano Valley, part 1's background music. My point being is, Lava Reef, part 1's background music should have been remixed and used as Lava Reef, part 2's background music instead of recycling the Hidden Palace background music. And one more thing: Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic's eyes are supposed to be black, not green.

[@jonwismer6235]

Those other version I have feeling will be second addition like sonic origins 2 kind gsme thing .the not put entire series of ever gdme in one bundle thet Ben too much even for Sega or gdme company hit we will another few other bundles later if it haolen if done right along music other bonus stuff

[@Diogo85]

Sonic Origins was only going to have the first four main classic games.

[@jakighcolburnchannel3584]

@@Diogo85 regardless it’s not enough to justify the price, even if they were remastered, the collection should’ve never been $40. more games would’ve done the trick. They don’t have to be remastered, just emulated good enough and that’s all you need to justify the $40 price tag.

[@Md5offical]

Alr.. Since no famous yt is listening, I’ll say it again… Keep Scrolling A bit more… Almost… *BUT IT HAS REALLY GOOD MISSIONS THOUGH!!!*

[@bareq99]

Wooo Why is no one appreciating the fact that you're going out of your way to support a stranger with the money from you OWN work just like that! Love you guys

[@TheGoldNShadow]

A stranger in Moscow…? No, just me?

[@darthvader473]

I knew you would talk about this issue.

[@masterreece1098]

its been so long since i've seen this youtube channel glad to see its still striving :)

[@mahadkhan5172]

0:15 : Help! I'm trapped in another dimension

[@kingcherryblossom2059]

Love your videos! I’ll try to watch all your new uploads now!

[@andrewzapata3427]

My one and only complaint is the lack of remastered soundtracks for Sonic 1 and 2 in Sonic Origins, I hope that Sega gives us the option to switch between the original Genesis soundtracks and the remastered mobile soundtracks for Sonic 1 and 2, along with bug fixes and the option to play as Knuckles in Sonic CD, Sonic and Tails in Sonic 1, and Knuckles and Tails in Sonic 1 in a future update. I feel like I'm the only one bringing up the lack of remastered soundtracks for Sonic 1 and 2, but it's the only thing nobody else has brought up so I just had to mention it.

[@jeremyriley1238]

I doubt it will happen seeing how Sega may see Sonic Origins as a failure due to the bad reviews and backlash against their DLC plans and how they rushed the game.

[@andrewzapata3427]

@@jeremyriley1238 They've updated Sonic Mania into Sonic Mania Plus in 2018

[@Shadamyfan-rs8xc]

I think that we should force Sega's president to retire, and replace them with someone who gives a damn (I'm sure there's plenty around the office). :)

[@darrenmacqueen9884]

I didn't notice any problems when I played through it. I only completed the story mode, but aside from the changed music, I was happy with it. What kind of bugs and errors are people finding?

[@BlulesBlue]

since its a new engine, different glitches appeared, and the games were integrated into the hedgehog engine (used to make the 3D menus) causing more new glitches to happen, tails AI is kinda wonky when following sonic, i don't remember many but i've seen one where in sky chase from sonic 2, the autoscroller wouldn't start and the game basically softlock

[@anonymous_moose]

From what I understand, the "glitches" introduced in the Origins collection aren't entirely consistent. Apart from glitches that were present in the original games I haven't had a single hiccup.

[@Frustratedartist2]

The disclaimer totally bought me. I wouldn't play S3 without the original music for free.

[@asdfgjagfdjh]

Sega needs to learn that rushing their developers isnt gonna make the game good

[@Fyutara]

A game breaking glitch I found in Sonic 3&K involves debug mode. If you turn on debug mode during the first cutscene, Angel Island will looked at extremely broken and since it’s a cutscene you can’t leave or skip, so unless you die you are stuck until you close the game. I’ve played AIR and that exact issue didn’t happen

[@ArianesDrawingPH]

2 narrators in this KZbin Channel? Nice

[@Sly88Frye]

I honestly just don't get how Sega just screws up so badly like this. They are ports of Genesis games and a Sega CD game that all have been ported before on previous consoles. I still have Sonic Man collection for GameCube somewhere and there is literally nothing wrong with the ports. The only issue I have is that you can't save on any of the games except the games that already allowed you to save. It would have been nice if they add a save feature to the other games, but oh well.

[@jdb2002]

I wonder if all this stuff that's happening with the video game industry will eventually cause it to crash as hard as it did in '83. And this time, there probably won't be a Nintendo to revive it.

[@Pocket-Lent]

I'm giving Sega ONE More Chance with Sonic Frontiers They proved to me that they can't even port a Wii game the right way! Why am I acting like this over a videogame? I don't know I just don't know

[@theforgottenranger]

Are you the tutorial voice from Disco Elysium? Your voice sounds like the voice that plays when you learn about the pawn shop and how the thought mechanic works.

[@Cosmic-Turtle]

Good ol' Sega. They never learn from their failures. No wonder they lost the console wars back then.

[@saricubra2867]

"lost the console wars back then" It depends, The Dreamcast in particular is WAY ahead of it's time.

[@Adamatronamus]

Sega "Patch the game? Why? We have already made our money. And this game is the least buggy thing we have released in years."

[@Diogo85]

It's been confirmed that Sega and Stealth are patching the bugs.

[@henrycervantes249]

What was supposed to be a nice package to play the Whitehead ports on consoles plus 3&K given the remaster treatment and extra goodies, it ended up rushed because of Sega being Sega, we can bring up many problems both in the game and outside it, i just hope updates do come, though getting to the point where we expect updates to fix stuff after an official release of a game is just weird/sad and similar things happened with Colors Ultimate since currently it’s been dropped after just a few updates, it makes me nervous for future Sega projects in general and their quality, not just Sonic and how Frontiers will be like but anything that is made internally at Sega and how the higher ups end up treating franchises people care about a lot…

[@maugos]

I know a lot of you are annoyed at the music replacement, but I grew up with that music cause I owned the PC version. For me, that IS the original Sonic 3 music. I still enjoy it to this day. That said, like everyone already pointed out, Sega really dropped the ball and made their usual mistake.

[@Majokodomo]

I can understand the music replacement. I also had the PC version, so I know about the different tracks. I'm fine with it, especially since I actually prefer the prototype versions of Carnival Night's music over what we actually got. What I'm NOT fine with, however, is the fact that the replacement music sounds TERRIBLE!! They sound more prototype than the ACTUAL prototypes! >.

[@Jackbarrany]

Can you imagine being a executive at sega and being okay with pushing this out like this? This is their most treasured ip and relatively speaking there’s no way it cost thaat much in development, and even if it did, it’s your companies symbol and three 30 year old 2d games at 40 dollars. Then doing the whole edition split on top of knowing the issues that would pop up? It’s beyond greedy into stupid/inept. Greedy at least follows financial incentive, launching the collection like this just discourages people who would have from buying it. I’m sure the executives responsible are angry at the developer for “tattling” instead of blaming themselves for bad decisions.

[@theyakkoman]

Reminds me of the saying "Pennywise, but pound-dumb." They are greedy, yes, but also short-sighted. Does this hurt the company and the brand in the long run? Yes. But will it give them a small boost and benefit in the short-term? Also yes. And when all you care about are quarterly gains, why would you worry about the long term effects on the company?

[@Jackbarrany]

@@theyakkoman I don’t even think it was a good decision in the short term, unless like, this quarter as opposed to the next couple quarters, which is beyond short sighted its blind as a bat with glaucoma. The issues they had could have been resolved very likely in 2-6 months. I imagine they would have sold at the minimum 20% more copies with better reviews, so even in the short term it seems inept. Never mind the long term good will of the customer.

[@jonwismer6235]

I can't say it there most tresured gsme but on the list with sown those games right seme since like bottom of the barrel while virtual fighter benotta are still getting update and of course crazy taxi house dead as well we all know virtual come later on as well it really does if find right people when get done right hope won't say roge three next project after what been going with bal wknde land crap which still dealing with as well

[@DanteCrowlley]

Executives destroy anything

[@pflynn12]

I thought sonic origins was great except for: 1. Not including save states, 2. Changing the original soundtracks

[@Scerttle]

Sega still making the same mistakes with Sonic games from 30 years ago.

[@tails_the_god]

i trust its not stealths fault... i ultimately blame sega so yeah

[@Majokodomo]

Apparently, the build we got in Origins was not the same build that the developers handed in. That one was actually functional, but something happened and THIS was the result! Sabotage? -_-

[@MilfeulleAB]

You wanna know whatelse went wrong? *MY MOM!*

[@Rubyshedinja33]

That time sonic fans tbagged other ports only to get let down

[@cheekyfragrance]

Best thing avout sonic 3 is the music, ice cap and the boss using blood on the dance floor.

[@ninjago4ever69]

AHH HELL NA 💀💀 that luanchbase zone and icecap zone music sound like ass to the original 💀💀

[@jokingsalt30142]

Despite making the song live and learn, sega has lived (I feel I don’t need to explain that it’s certain games) but they haven’t learned at all (not rushing a game for a special date no one really cares for)

[@LazyStarrfish]

I was very interested in this game before the reviews and problems were revealed. Sad that it ended up this way

[@AstonishingRed]

I mean, what else can I say that already hasn’t been said 1000 times about Sega and the current state of the Sonic IP? It’s pathetic.

[@WarmLillie]

This show the dedication but sadly can’t do

[@jaretco6423]

Simply put. Sega rushed it again. Christ! Did they not learn this from Sonic 06?

[@callum110597]

I haven't experienced too many issues with the game so far, but I can understand how he went through. Also would hope for the Michael Jackson music to be put back in Sonic 3.

[@TheShuuman]

You're probably going to be holding out for a looong while then. Reason why MJ music was taken out is probably the same reason Space Micheal got nuked from the new Space Channel game. Too much baggage

[@callum110597]

@@TheShuuman Understood. I haven't actually listened to the music anyway, having never played the game before.

[@TheShuuman]

​@@callum110597 You certainly should. There are enough youtube channels that got the old school music. Blackblur7, Truesonic1 DexoysPrime and I think Axel Stone got Sonic tracks from many eras to listen too.

[@callum110597]

@@TheShuuman Cool. And I think previous remasters of the game have the original music too.

[@deepmind5318]

Leave it to Sega to cheapen out on Sonic games. They keep saying that they will never rush a Sonic game again, and they still do it. Even Sony and Microsoft look at Sega and go like "eeew, we don't want to buy Sega".

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

You sure about that? Because Microsoft tried to buy Sega before but ofc..Sega denied them.

[@Mint_soda.]

"HELP! Im trapped in another dimension!" -tails, 2022

[@fhjunior6183]

Thanks for the vid

[@ahmedalmoosawi1128]

still i play the game, I hope there will be a new update with new additions to compensate

[@matthewgaming2408]

At first I thought it said it said: "why sonic origins went WRONG"!

[@stupidragerantroastoftakes2981]

Other words. SEGA does what Nintendon't is Rushing and Crunching games out. Undercooked and Buggy. I even don't trust SEGA in a slighted. don't Race SEGA. Do it in your Pace. Stay on track and don't look back. Just follow the chase. C'mon Now PACE!

[@scrapbrainsinc]

Good review, but I'm just curious... ok so now what's next? Is Sega actively say they working on fixing the game?

[@koruoshouji9960]

nah, considering they never fixed Sonic Colors Ultimate

[@notrytec1254]

Sonic origins is so overpriced. At least for 40 bucks, addition of knuckles chaotix could've worked, more playable characters, and maybe for the deluxe pack they could've given the option of making the game mania styled, only if they didn't rush the game. Such a good game ruined only because of their own damn stupidity

[@mollyjayhedgehog6276]

The why they can't use the original music for icecap zone cos it's still under copyright with the Michael Jackson the state they can't use it

[@Kth77]

At this point Simon Thomley should just make his own series of spiritual successor Sonic games

[@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482]

That’s basically Freedom Planet

[@Kth77]

@HypnoSpace Outlaw NICE!

[@Trance_Kitsune]

Let's talk about what went wrong with Sonic Origins *Oh boy, let me get a drink first.*

[@chriswright6245]

Why don't sega just make an original new 2d sonic game using the style of the original megadrive titles... You know, like people actually want

[@TheShuuman]

Please no please please PLEEEEASSE NO I am sick to death of 2d megadrive esque Sonic.

[@chriswright6245]

@@TheShuuman 3d sonic hasnt been good since forever

[@TheShuuman]

@@chriswright6245 1) Speak for yourself brother man not for me. 2) After spending 16 years playing nothing but 2d megadrive games and ever romhack and flash equa I am just sick to death and bored to tears with the lot of them. I would take a middle of the road 3D Sonic game over that any day of the week. Hell when I was playing Sonic Mania I found myself unconsciously tapping the shoulder buttons for trick boosts. When the novelty of Mania wore off I became quickly bored with it.

[@chriswright6245]

@@TheShuuman let's hope frontiers is ok! I'm willing to give that a shot

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

Wow they didn't LEARN from Balan wonder World that rushing into deadline is not gonna save anything

[@yankees2864]

This makes me very nervous for Sonic Frontiers

[@polmao]

This is probably going to viewed negatively, but I truly wish Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft bought Sega. Im so tired of how they do things. They need new leaders for sure.

[@ultrairrelevantnobody1862]

Eh, buying a company wouldn't do much.

[@Diogo85]

If Nintendo bought Sega, they would shut down non-profit Sonic fan games and make bad ports or remasters of Sonic games. Nintendo makes unfinished sports game and makes gamers spend more for content that should have been in the base game. They shut down the Slippi mod that allows Melee gamers to play competitively online. Nintentards: "But they have the right to do it! It's their IPs." Legal right isn't moral right. Just because a corporation has the legal right to do scummy practices doesn't mean they're morally right in doing them.

[@rainbowspongebob]

Huh I wonder why *sonic hasn’t been good in a decade* maybe because of sega doin this

[@spongeman3090]

I've played it myself and I think it's a good collection for people revisiting these games or wanting to experience them for the first time. My only problem is that it could've been so much more. There are so many ways that this collection can stand out, but SEGA threw it away by rushing the game, proving they haven't learned anything in the past 15 years. I'm tired of it and it isn't funny anymore. I love SEGA but they definitely need to get their act together with Sonic Frontiers. People have waited almost 11 years for a new good 3D Sonic game so it better be worth the wait. Damn were they money-hungry with this collection.

[@CarneiroDaNeve]

In Brazil, this game is overpriced, a lot of people didn't bought it because of that, I mean, why would I pay R$240 for a game that I can play for free on mobile and play better versions for free on the PC?

[@CarneiroDaNeve]

Sonic 1 2013 (Mobile) Sonic CD 2011 (Mobile) Sonic 2 2013 (Mobile) Sonic 3 A.I.R and Sonic 3 Complete (Mobile and PC) Sonic 1 Forever (PC) Sonic 2 Absolute (PC)

[@aidenwithani]

This is pretty sad to see. It sucks to see other Sonic media doing so good and thriving, while the games are just mediocre shells of what they really should be. I've lost all faith in Sega's games to the point where I might skip out on new releases. I'll wait to hear the majority viewpoint on Frontiers before buying it

[@MrMartellSincere]

Sega being Sega

[@LuSiDious]

Hydrocity and flying battery OST wasnt changed, so i have no qualms with the changes. Still havent bought it...yet

[@cayden1013]

You can’t save state on the final boss In sonic 2 anymore

[@evdestroy5304]

SEGA rushed it You can thank me for saving 5 minutes of your life

[@tuckerbass2196]

Sonic origins has some fixing to do

[@JakeThehedgehog-m1x]

Frankly they did... suprisingly

[@The_16_Bit_Dude]

The problem with sonic in the last decade is the company who own it, sega.

[@StriderTiger]

his twitter has gone silent since he talked about all that stuff 🤐

[@digigamings8652]

I don’t get how did SEGA messed up the most simplest version of sonic I mean isn’t 2d sonic levels like their main gig before the 2000s back in the 90s it was pretty easy to make sequels of sonic but when it comes to 3-D and have to include story that’s where it gets difficult but how do they mess up remastering it I’m not saying I won’t stick to the franchise due to the bad qualities here and there I’m just saying that wouldn’t 2d sonic game be easy to remake and add some adjustments and i’m not saying the programmers are bad at their jobs is just either I know programming can be difficult.

[@ian_2006]

It would be nice to get some more mii fighter costume videos like doom Slayer please?

[@franci2a]

Let me guess. Rushed game like the majority of the newer titles and including bigger non-gaming products such as one of the most used OSes in the whole world? And lack of content compared to the previous collections?

[@6paths142]

I just found out about this game yesterday ibr😪

[@Nitron2097]

As someone who recently started speedrunning Sonic 2, my biggest problem with Sonic Origins is classic mode. WhyTAF is classic not a 100% port of the OG games? With everything wrong with Anniversary mode thanks to the retro engine (and it's a MOUNTAIN of glitches and bugs) why would you not port the games over for classic mode, and instead use the same garbage remaster and just call it "classic" because it's 4:3? That's the straw that breaks the back and makes this "collection" a crap cash grab by SEGA. TFG I have all the roms and my OG Genesis.

[@Hank_A_S]

Jesus christ, why does everyone judge origins by it’s music, don’t judge a game by it’s music, it’s the exact same result as judging a book by it’s cover,

[@geraldinecampbell1199]

funny how you can get sonic mega collection for a little more than this game and get more content. I know not every one has a ps2 and the collection doesn't have the new animated cinematics or sonic cd but I'd personally go for a less buggy sonic 1 in the same cd as DR.ROBOTNICS MEAN BEAN MACHINE.

[@Ja.abbatta_V]

Can someone tell me what's wrong with Origins? Aside from the price the game

[@MyklesChannel]

There's multiple issues but just to name a few, there are several bugs throughout the games and the 3 music tracks in Sonic 3 (that had to be replaced due to legal reasons) were butchered and sound even worse than the old prototype versions they were originally gonna put in before Michael Jackson got involved. And the extra content in the collection's museum could have been a lot better, but they include mostly artwork you can already easily find online

[@Ja.abbatta_V]

@@MyklesChannel I didn't know there were bugs in the game I've been enjoying it so far

[@justinrodriguez5957]

Sadly, seems like the usual song and dance for sw development. It's a shame really.

[@shada0]

This just sound like Sega, most bad sonic games don't look bad, just rushed & unfinished.

[@MrMachupichu1992]

My guess is we'll be seeing a similar video in the future when Frontiers comes out. Classic Sega execs.

[@nman551]

Disagree

[@emersonjr4866]

@@nman551 *agree Sega doesn't know now to make good sonic games since, sonic unleashed

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

This might be the first time in history when the 3D sonic game looks better than the 2D classic sonic games

[@stivers56]

Why are you mad about the original ice cap music not being in sonic 3? they couldn't help it with the licencing fees

[@EverScrolls]

Sega never learns. Ever.

[@VGMR]

Everything.