What Westerners Don't Understand About Afrikaners - Ernst Van Zyl | Existential Delight #13

In this episode I am joined by Ernst Van Zyl (The Conscious Caracal) - we discuss two main ideas - what Westerners misunderstand about the Afrikaner phenomenon, as well as state proof solutions to large scale problems.
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The Conscious Caracal KZbin Channel: / @consciouscaracal
Ernst's Documentary (with English Subtitles): • Selfbestuur : Staatsbe...
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[@louisadpearce-thevoicesanc6080]

My family emmigrated from SA in 1986 to New Zealand and then later Australia... you asked about the costs of emmigration. Well, we no longer regret this as my family now enjoys comfort and safety... BUT it took me about 20 years to really settle and adopt this country as home. Emmigration was HARD on us all. I was only 12 years old and had to later work through trauma of leaving my homeland. There most certainly are costs, especially psychological, because you lose one of the deepest parts fo your identity and sense of belonging. I wish all South Africans so much love and blessings...

[@SAS477]

Similar for me. As I now live in the UK after leaving SA and going to NZ in 1984. I still miss my beloved SA and think about it every day. I thought I was on my own about this but loved your noted feelings. Go well Meisie.

[@louisadpearce-thevoicesanc6080]

Baia dankie!! Blessings to you too! @@SAS477

[@mattadonis]

“You can take the boy out of Africa but you can’t take Africa out of the boy.”

[@The_Jas_Singh]

My grandfather set up a business in East Africa in 1923 and grew it to a large enterprise employing 50,000+ local indigenous people. He used to say that without the settlers bringing civilization to Africa, it would still be a Third World country. Sadly nobody talks about this as it's not politically correct, but in reality, it's the main cause of all of the problems in South Africa and other African countries.

[@alicemoller]

As I am getting older there is a hunger of wanting to go back to my Afrikaans roots. Great interview, thanks.

[@martincronje5242]

You're not alone, lots of us are doing our part to build. South Africa does have a future, because we are here.

[@kemmoneR]

Thank you.

[@danguee1]

Good luck. I'm not optimistic: the population equation is constantly against you.

[@ConsciousCaracal]

Thank you for inviting me on your show for this great conversation, Dylan.

[@dylangous]

Thank you for coming on, Ernst. Always a pleasure.

[@jamesxanthios1317]

More of your great perspectives shared Ernst. 👊

[@markmuller2320]

Cool coffee mug. Wonder how many people get the reference to Gen CR de Wet. Nice 😊

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

Ernst makes me more hopeful than anyone else on KZbin!

[@ConsciousCaracal]

That's fantastic to hear.

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

Yes but the world is a woke mess

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

This is very interesting. Thank y'all.

[@kasdeur]

Thanks to Dylan for hosting this. Putting these conversations out there are great. I'd like to emphasize identity, it's critical. "Hierarchy of identity" is new to me, beautiful way of stating it, I understand. What you identify as 1st, should be the highest and your foundation.

[@sidelineropinions4692]

Really enjoyed this thought provoking discussion between two great young thinking minds. People need to figure out who and what they are otherwise somebody else will do that for you.

[@lisaonthemargins]

Two of my favourite South African content creators. Thanks for an interesting discussion

[@lmy5pence481]

Yes Ernst, the English do not run with the Afrikaners perspective of it all. Good explanation

[@SentinelSDK]

Fascinating watch, thank you gentlemen. You touched on a fair few points that I have been giving long thought to. Especially as a recent immigrant from RSA to the UK. You have a new viewer of your content and information, I will be digging into your body of work. Thank you

[@mookimoves9469]

Great interview thank you

[@SelwynSlamdill-jk3eb]

I think the afrikaners are the greatest ever They came and brought light to africa..when africa was covered in darkness

[@african1]

😂 delusional people everywhere

[@anilenk2103]

It is very interesting. Thanks for the information. I just want to mention something I am hearing so much lately. The word “boer” that is pronounced in a very wrong way. “boer” pronounced as “boor” has a very different meaning as “farmer”. boor definition: 1. a person who is rude and does not consider other people's feelings 2. a person who is rude. It gets confused with “boer” - farmer. Pronunciation: [ou] as in “you”. There is only the Afrikaans pronunciation that is correct. It gives people the wrong idea that the white SA-cans are boorish, stupid, and backwards!!! How very different from the truth! A true farmer is actually very intelligent, hardworking, and up to date with new inventions and ideas.

[@salomemalherbe677]

The English have a very strange " despising hatred" for the Afrikaner Boer People Maybe it's because they were unwelcome Intruders and the actual mass murderers of the Afrikaners, they resent them but are also Jealous of their strong cultural identity.. There is also a lot of Bad Blood between them with the English constantly undermining the Afrikaners position on their own country And so the English created... Boerbashing a private joke amongst English speaking Families that Mock and Humiliate Afrikaners behind their backs .... but they still continue to cluster towards Afrikaans gatherings even though they REFUSE to speak the Afrikaans Language.... Weird psychology .. siestog

[@salomemalherbe677]

We are neither Boorish nor Backward...!! but to elevate themselves in their own Class System of Cultural Apartheid the English find it imperative to push the Afrikaner down ..😂😂 ons lag net vir hulle

[@psylentrage]

@@salomemalherbe677 Even easier, it's like"Boo" but with an added "R"

[@danguee1]

I spent my teens in Zambia and my teens in Cape Town. But since then in the UK and now in my 60s. Quite a big part of me will always be Capetonian - not so much South African, but definitely I connected deeply with The Cape and that persists. It's painful to see the steady degeneration into failed state and degeneration.

[@gerard377]

Good discussion! But I think the talk trivialised the English speaking SA position! In fact, English speaking South Africans and Afrikaaners have inter married for the past 2 centuries hence English speaking South Africans with Afrikaans names and vice versa so I don't think "emigration to the Anglo world is that simple for English speaking SAns we struggle in Anglo countries in as much as Afrikaaners who have emigrated " but everything else I agree with, the Afrikaaners are a unique cultural racial group in Africa! Great talk!

[@larrenventer5524]

I completely agree I am an English speaking Venter . I tried living in an "anglo" country it was impossible there is no commonality .

[@suppiluiiuma5769]

I think it's still true of purer English people in places like Durban, but realistically in the Cape, English people are basically like half-Afrikaners in all but name lol.

[@psylentrage]

@@suppiluiiuma5769 Die Kaap is Hollands😅

[@bryanhurd9955]

Many many jobs cannot be done from home

[@ebenezervanderwalt1271]

Tried it a lot.

[@hendrikbarboritsch7003]

In the Americas, the colonizers kept their own languages. The fact that the Afrikaner/Boer, made a new language, is proof that they are an African tribe, not a European nation grafted onto another continent. Their roots are in Africa.

[@african1]

Delusional 😂

[@gerhardbotha7336]

I am a Boer. An Afrikaner is a European living in the Cape colony! My ancestors were citizens of Boer republics- not Afrikaner republics. They fought the British in two Boer wars, not Afrikaner wars. Since unification, Boere and Afrikaners have mixed to the extent that they are now one. But I am still a Boer in my heart. Not a Afrikaner from the pragmatic side of our people.

[@mariananel3102]

Loved this interview. Thank you 😊

[@user-xi1hl6ss6j]

Your discussion reminded me of Siener Van Rensburg. After one of his visions which upset him deeply, he opened his Bible and his eye caught Exodus 14:14: The Lord shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace.

[@user-xi1hl6ss6j]

Een van die grootste irritasies vir my ook - as Afrikaanse akteur en skrywer: Iemand wat my in 'n blik wil druk met 'n etiket op. My voorvader aan vaderskant Harmen Jansz Potgieter het in 1795 uit Wesfale Duitsland hier gearriveer.

[@billphil8235]

a government-backed group that settles in a new country or region. The land that's claimed by a colonist is usually already occupied by another group of people. A colonist can also be called a settler, someone who helps start a settlement in a new land.

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

Yes the Boer war was a terrible tragedy. But the Afrikaners were the victors, SA was effectively granted independence in 1931 and being the majority the Afrikaners were to take control over not just OFS and Tvl but the entire country. Another thing worth noting is that every developed country was very critical of what Britain was doing. One half Afrikaner half English speaker (not “English”) here.

[@maiaallman4635]

I am shocked to hear that there were more deaths in the concentration camps of the Tweede Vryheidsoorlog, than on either side of the battle. That's enough to rip a nation apart. Also, the British had a professional army of trained soldiers. The Boer side consisted of career farmers, without a military budget.

[@user-xi1hl6ss6j]

As an Afrikaans actor I feel I have to face reality in a metropolis like Johannesburg to be able to interpret the characters I portray against the realpolitik of the day.

[@pietervanwyk7294]

The diamonds in the British crown was stolen from South Africa

[@joesmalley397]

No they were gifted. That's why we're keeping them lol.

[@psylentrage]

@@joesmalley397 Actually and very technically, they are on long-term loan.

[@beammeup8458]

Do westerners think ? Do they think of Afrikaners ? Why should they think about Afrikaners ? Is there anything for them to exploit ? I emigrated to the UK 30+ years ago : in that time I have been fortunate to have lived and worked in Asia for 20+ years.... Say no more ....

[@geraldmantel4955]

This dude's "world view" is highly accurate ... politics based on pure stupidity.

[@jessicapendleton1867]

You can not describe any one person or one people in a word or two..Life is far more complicated than that.

[@dylangous]

Yes, true. But sometimes it is necessary to speak in generals for the sake of conversation.

[@edd5883]

If South Africa isn't a colony than the land should be equally owned right? Black land ownership is the same as white land ownership there? There's no discrepancy?

[@maiaallman4635]

Get a job, take out a bank loan, buy a property. Same for everybody.

[@edd5883]

@@maiaallman4635 your right. it's all so simple. It's not racism, or generational colonialism that keeps certain groups in endless poverty. They're just lazy. Ignorance is bliss I guess

[@stevo271]

What do Afrikanners think about what is going on in other African countries that are kicking out the westerners and inviting the Russians in? Many of these countries have suffered under colonialism and terrorism. It seems like the Russians are actually helping them stop terrorism at least.

[@hestervantonder7769]

Pl

[@billphil8235]

You paint westerners with a wide brush

[@timclements-dh9sq]

You guys only got caught. Others Europeans and America did the same things.

[@jennagardner9042]

I have also heard that the great trek started during the days under the Dutch East India Company and what they were imposing on the Burgers. It started under the Dutch to get away from the corruption and authorianism of the Dutch East India Company. It didn’t just start with the British. Also the motivation of the great trek of being mostly because of language doesn’t hold water for me because there was at one time more Germans in the colony than Dutch and the Germans had to integrate language wise even though the Germans out numbered the Dutch at one time. The same goes for the French Huguenot also we’re forced to speak Dutch in public spaces.Many Huguenots who refused then left the colony to trek to later what became Rhodesia because the Huguenots did not want to adhere to the Dutch authoritarianism.

[@jennagardner9042]

Following on from my previous comment, the Huguenots left the cape colony because of the Dutch authoritarian language laws and trekked up to the area which then later became became known as Rhodesia.

[@andrevogel1974]

I just want to bring it under your attention that the British annexed the Cape in 1795, thus ending the Dutch East India Company's role in the region. The Great Trek started in 1835 and into the 1840's, directly as a result of the policies of the British government and also in search of fresh pasture lands.

[@jennagardner6019]

@@andrevogel1974 But there were Burgers trekking for greener pastures north before the British too.

[@lindamatolengwe1637]

A nice whitewashed story of the Afrikaners. I love it.

[@suppiluiiuma5769]

Cry harder. It's the truth and we have historical records to prove it, while all you have to counter it is stories, which are worthless in debates.

[@lindamatolengwe1637]

@@suppiluiiuma5769 Like when you called yourselves the "chosen people" right. I bet that's also in the bible records. Lies can also be recorded my friend.

[@psylentrage]

@@lindamatolengwe1637 Oh dear, the ignorance is strong in this one. They likened themselves to Israel of the OT, they NEVER said they are them. And if you ACTUALLY read the Bible, God said to go out in the whole earth and spread the Word, so yes, chosen to spread the Word.

[@Shupstarr]

What Mr Van Zyl and his sort dont understand about us natives is our people-centric civilisation & his ancestors failure to usurp it. He arrogantly mispronounces Setswana le Batswana and then puts words into our Oral history. "I've got a tswana friend............"Ba neye lefatshe"(give them some land to work on ) is what he meant to say. Ja but my Chinese neighbour who came five years ago can even call our Setswana poems & totems for clan names. Now he goes through wave after wave of virtue-signalling about history whilst practising some plausible-deniability in this interview. Afrikaans was spoken by mostly-black people at the Cape as Kombuis-taal. These people called themselves Afrikanders. It Mr Van zyl must also note these are the same people who guided their ancestors into the hinterland. The betrayal obviously came swiftly as predicted by the ancient Khoi-khoi & Khe ancestors who they now arrogantly lump into 'khoisan". Afrikaans was a language of trade for the common man at the cape. Some were already fluent in dutch before 1652. Die gennotskaap van regte Afrikaaners made it a white language in 1875 after the genocide of our Khoi-khoi & khe ancestors. Remnants of that group trekked to the land of rivers (middeveld a,ka. central South Africa to avoid the scourge of whitemen.. That is how the language moved into the interior. The great trek came after the Smallpox & polio epidemichad decimated us in Camissa. STOP white washing history... Accept and move on.

[@juliawitt3813]

Hostile bitterness will eat you up my friend....... Oh , and good luck with the little yellow colonialists 😂

[@andrevogel1974]

You have totally missed the point of this interview sir, in stead you reveal your poor understanding of historical facts and revert to provocative statements that are far removed from facts.

[@Shupstarr]

& How have i done that herr Vogel ? Is it wrong to defend how our language is represented. The guy cannot speak setswana fluently and was merely virtue signaslling by throwing in the my tswana friend statement @@andrevogel1974 Ask any Setswana speaking person if the first part of what he said makes sense... Its belittling my language....kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXawoqdtmZKaqrM

[@suppiluiiuma5769]

The fact that Afrikaans is also a language for black and colored people doesn't mean it isn't also ours and a quintessential part of our identity. We also aren't morally responsible for diseases like smallpox which spreads of its own accord. You will also never be the same thing as a Khoi-Khoi or San and you only pretend that "we wuz all Afrikangs" so that you can claim all of South Africa belongs to you. The "white-washed" version of history is the real one. We have the records to prove it and all you have are stories, which don't count at all as evidence; and wishful thinking.

[@psylentrage]

Afrikaners did not call themselves Afrikaners because of a language. And it was BROWN not BLACK people that spoke it in the Cape. There were nearly NO BLACK PEOPLE in the Cape at the time. Baie, Piesang, Piering are just some examples of MALAYSIAN words in Afrikaans.

[@bafanamahlatse1923]

Honestly ernsts" tswana friend " story sounds like BS . concidering that tswana donts live near any coast.so how could they see any ships. And how could can this " tswana friends" speak for the whole tswana ethnic group. This whole story just sounds like BS.how could native Africans differentiate between white groups who did the same thing.

[@psylentrage]

He NEVER said that's when the Tswanas met them, when they just arrived😅. You are putting words in his mouth.