What will happen to KTM's MotoGP project?

[@cocky_potato]

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the good old "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" relevant for quite a while now. No one cares about motorcycles anymore; like, no one. The new generations have no interest in riding and no money for what is becoming a more and more expensive hobbie. It's not just KTM in dire straits, it's the industry as a whole.

[@ALIENdrifter66]

Your reasoning makes sense for Europe and the USA, but there's a big error with that reasoning. The largest motorcycle market is by far in Asia, that's where real money is made, and in some of those countries people really like to buy the brands they see racing. That's why on the last years, MotoGP has been racing on Indonesia and Thailand. Those markets allow you to sell millions of bikes every single year, and it's going up every single year. Of course, the main market is focused on 125-400cc motorbikes, but the amount is so big that it's more profitable.

[@Blackirish__]

@@ALIENdrifter66Asia is big on 🛵

[@Blackirish__]

The price of motorbikes these days is astronomical 40k euros for the new Hyabusa is a joke for most people these high end bikes are recreational with speed limits and cameras everywhere city’s getting busier yeah the hike in prices just isn’t worth it

[@maxflight777]

agreed , its sad.

[@Blackirish__]

@ I think they started with subscriptions and having to pay more to get track pack etc, people are sick of subscriptions and getting fleeced classic case of using a software upgrade to make more money, like Netflix I think it was initially wanting more money to see content in 4k it’s disgraceful

[@xipingpooh5783]

You can’t tell me KTM says their MotoGP Team won’t be affected and actually believe it. They are trying to put lipstick on a pig.

[@graemesydney38]

I would imagine the effort will to be maintain the team so it can be sold as a separate walk out, walk in going concern - team, technicians, riders, design rights, staff, VIP lounge, sponsors, box and dice. Buyers??? Triumph, BMW, a Chinese or Indian brand?

[@Phuc_Yhou]

None of those manufacturer's have any interest or need to be in motogp, its bikes are irrelevant to what those companies sell, with the very limited free TV coverage there's no advertising advantage compared to the internet these days.

[@bradsanders6954]

Red Bull finances KTM's Moto-Gp team, you know that right? Lenovo finances Ducati's Moto-Gp team. These teams actually make money with their sponsorship packages. Big name riders bring their own big sponsors along. So many, have NO idea what they are talking about but keep jabbering.

[@BrianVogt-j7e]

After KTM's production & retail sales arms are shut down, the MotoGP team might be KTM's only profit-making division.

[@philsaunder9690]

Guessing anyone that was thinking of buying a KTM is having second thoughts now. If sales were not on target this year I can’t see them improving any time soon. Fingers crossed they get through this.

[@charliepyle1626]

I don't think second thoughts, im'e thinking run a mile. Sad because they made some nice bikes

[@bryan-u4f]

Looks like Miller dodged a bullet in MotoGP.

[@BlackRose-vi2yg]

He was on holiday this season anyway

[@charliepyle1626]

@@BlackRose-vi2yg did you see the rear wheel chatter, did you wonder why the other 2 kept falling off?

[@shaneryan9076]

No Miller was beaten quite convincingly by a rookie, now quite a special rookie it has to be said

[@bryan-u4f]

@@shaneryan9076 That's certainly true, but the fact he was forced out allowed him to find another ride. If the KTM team folds, Acosta and Binder will most likely be picked up somewhere in '26, but I doubt Miller would, so his MotoGP career would be over. Getting fired has allowed him to at least ride a year longer.

[@robertw413]

It’s strange to me that they are even in MotoGP. They don’t sell superbike or supersport bikes and have said they won’t make another road registered superbike because it’s too dangerous. I mean if you win on Sunday it’s not like I’m going to buy some adventure, commuter or mx bike because of it. So all that V4 tech for bragging rights. Makes no sense to me and may not to the bean counters.

[@deandee8082]

you can patent and sell development, big money

[@charliepyle1626]

Jack is probably counting his lucky stars. I was looking at a 1290 at 26k, then it was 2k to unlock it, got a suzie 800 for under 16k. I know there is no comparison, the 800 has a seat you can sit on and travel.

[@sburns2421]

Would not be surprised to see Red Bull take over the MotoGP project completely. Liberty Media can claim a crossover F1 to MotoGP was the plan all along. Anything on the lower classes may get the axe for 2026.

[@23DuDe]

Honda takeover engine supply for Moto3...?

[@ianjohnson1207]

KTM will no longer run GAS GAS and Husqvarna in moto3 next season

[@23DuDe]

@@ianjohnson1207 what about engine supply?

[@LowQualityPigeon]

I was sad to ses Suzuki pull out from the Racing scene but now i realise that it was the best thing at that moment for the brand. Kawasaki did the same thing in 09 and saved themselves from poring cash and getting no return. Sometimes it is fine to leave aside the "Racing Heritage" and focus on how to make the brand survive. KTM should do the same thing after 2025 season to focus more on their road bikes.

[@ClassicTrialsChannel]

Not great. just because they are restucturing, that doesn't mean in the next 6 months to a year that they still wont go in to bankruptcy . it just means their hoping it stops that happening

[@CrashMotoGP]

Yeah, it’s looking very bleak.

[@tjroelsma]

The sad thing is that KTM has nobody to blame but themselves. They made the choice to put almost all their R&D and their best mechanics into MotoGP at the cost of all other divisions and now they're facing the consequences of that ill thought out strategy. From all the complaints about KTM bikes, it's clear both the R&D and the quality have taken a huge hit and their products aren't reliable anymore. Add to that that they're competing in a very competitive market and the downfall had to come quickly and devastatingly. KTM seems to have completely forgotten, or ignored, that it's the commercial divisions that pay for the racing division, not the other way around.

[@ianjohnson1207]

KTM are in this situation due to over production and a bigger slow down in motorcycle sales than expected They also lost an absolute fortune on their electric bike and bicycle division The R&D department have nothing to do with the production of motorcycles

[@tjroelsma]

@@ianjohnson1207 Those problems can relatively easily be overcome. The huge peoblems with quakity control and desgn errors are much more serious and not that easy to solve, as those directly harm KTM's reputation.

[@ianjohnson1207]

@@tjroelsma “Those problems can relatively be overcome”!!!! KTM motorcycles overall have no more reliability issues than any other manufacturer Two friends have KTMs no problems both my Yamaha and Triumph had recalls

[@sikador8627]

KTM motorcycles are a lot of fun to ride, but when they break down, it's a disaster. The lack of spare parts and long waiting times frustrate motorcycle owners who wait months for their motorcycle to be repaired. The quality control is hopeless and additional fees for equipment that turns off after 1,000 kilometers are the main reasons for customer anger.

[@Dr_Snow]

My concern is about what happens with MotoGP (all classes for that matter) if KTM simply doesn’t have the funds to continue their investment 😮

[@juanl.burlew5370]

Time to let the MotoGP program go!! Focus on what brought them 18 straight wins, IT WAS NOT MotoGP, IT WAS DAKAR!!!

[@RobinWinterton]

With depts of a reported 3 billion euros, I can't see KTM coming through this. I was thinking of buying a 990 Duke, not now though!.

[@MartinMcMartin]

It was win on Sunday, sell on Monday for a century. Not so much now.

[@billsmart2532]

KTM produces one really nice lightweight sport bike: RC390 , but no supersport or superbike. (?) Beyond Moto3, they got way ahead of their products. Participation in MotoGP is not an economically justified representation. When this chapter of their book comes out, it will make an interesting read.

[@porkchopexpress199]

A possible redbull bmw on the horizon in walks toprak

[@rotorairgroup8409]

I hope that they come to MotoGP but while KTM remains

[@A.J.1656]

Toprak has proven he's an unmatched talent in WSBK. It's a shame he's not already racing in MotoGP.

[@gordonwallin2368]

Really strange. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

[@olivertoeknuckleiii2093]

Hey KTM - build and sell a street legal V4 Superbike! Wasn’t this the purpose for going MotoGP in the first place? Make it fast and not-to expensive, and people will line up for one!

[@othgmark1]

No they won't Ktm built a pretty decent superbike in the past. Nobody bought them. They do not have the cachet of Ducati. The overall market for liter and up Superbikes is getting worse by the year. Adding another brand just dilutes it more.

[@cheeseburger3209]

Yeah that'll solve everything. I'm sure all the people laid off across the world would be lining up out the door and up the street to buy a 200bhp road bike.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

Are you going to buy one? Money where you mouth is…..

[@A.J.1656]

@@PhilbyFavourites I had to drive out of state to find a 1390 Super Duke. People do buy the cool bikes. The showrooms are filled with the mediocre gutless bikes and overpriced "Adventure" bikes.

[@the_derpler]

Will not be shocked if this is the end and Pedro will get scooped up by Honda or something.

[@ganjabobby]

Yeah or Yamaha sitting on that one year contract with Miller

[@mariog4707]

KTM made a colossal marketing blunder when they ran scared and pulled out of the “Long Way Round” TV project. BMW picked up the opportunity and on the back of it established the global sales behemoth that is the GS. The only historical comparison is when Decca turned down the Beatles.

[@Vahu19]

latest info... debt of Pierer Mobilty Group is actually around 3billion (not 1.2 as previously mentioned). they need to bow out and come back in 15years if they will still be a brand

[@chrisdadda]

Wow, this is sad news. Does that mean Dorna may have to instill a salary cap on what is spent on MotoGP to balance prospects for future teams? The sport cannot afford to lose another manufacturer or we wind up rebranding again to DucatiGP!!!

[@salttea8926]

KTM is like a family for MotoGP, hope they will do well financially.

[@juanl.burlew5370]

KTM DOES NOT BELONG IN MotoGP!!! DAKAR, YES, MotoGP, NO!!! They have obviously proven the cannot produce a bike that competes. In this case it does not seem to be the pilots.

[@PeteTex10]

They should start making just 2t enduro/mx motorcycles

[@Gmh6477]

Impossible to meet emissions regulations with a 2 stroke.

[@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf]

Even if they develop new 2t engine that meets euro 6, the market is too niche.

[@FloydCourtnell]

Still great motorcycles. Get one while you can. Other wise it will go like concord. Back wards

[@andyballard1883]

Those statements sound like such wishful thinking and spin but the bottom line is when your losing that much money there is a fundamental lack of market for the brand. I can only think the motoGP program continues if Red bull are financing it and will ultimately take the Grid slots as collateral against the mounting debt.

[@ADobbin1]

Has the board cut their own pay yet?

[@Andy_ATB]

What about MXGP, Enduro, Dakar Rallye Raid?????

[@andremichau2455]

Sad for KTM. Executive management to blame. Maybe Redbull will swoop down and 'save' them.

[@GrahamJackson-j2s]

I'll buy one if they are goin cheap.

[@JoeEngineersThings]

I don’t understand why they race MotoGP but have such limited sport bike options for consumers.

[@ianjohnson1207]

All the R&D ends up in all their motorcycles

[@jamesb.walker9177]

They are unfortunatelly doomed, thir debt is up to 3B Euros and no way that the public admistration will let them use 120M per year on MotoGP. Best case scenario they sell the motogp project to BMW and keep the smaller categories. It is a real shame though!

[@911aircooled5]

Early days, they say that they'll be on the grid in '25, lets see what the bean counters say! $100mil/yr is a lot for no results and even harder next year with a tight budget.

[@edbardoe2195]

Motogp may be a money maker , although penny pinching may be expected, the teams split a lot of tv money’s

[@patrickoneill9442]

I'm gutted cos KTM are an iconic brand . Starting in motocross,from the early days they were they different from all the Japanese machinery.would be sad day for KTM to leave MOTO GP.

[@juanl.burlew5370]

It wont be sad for KTM to leave MotoGP!! Their street bikes are NOT what brought 18 wins at Dakar. Stick to what you've done best for years and IT IS NOT MotoGP!!!

[@madisonvillavert745]

This is what happened when KTM cared more for shareholders satisfaction more than customer satisfaction.

[@averagejoesmotogarage9534]

Chase sexton in america has to be a bit worried about his supercross contracts

[@Gmh6477]

The moto GO team could carry on if it’s set up as a separate entity

[@A.J.1656]

Why buy a motorcycle when you can just watch other people ride cool bikes? Sad state of affairs in the industry now. I'm just glad I got my 1390 Super Duke Evo. It's by far the best bike I've ever ridden. I love it. P.S. Please look up what "begging the question" actually means.

[@richardyorke9055]

Every company that gets in the shit bins off all racing commitments straight away. I'm not sure it's going to be justifiable for long. Tragedy

[@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf]

120 million euro just to run MotoGP is crazy. That's touching F1 team cost cap budget.

[@km6832]

The bikes are basically prototypes. Carbon brakes, carbon chassis, high tech engine materials, the launch systems. Its a lot

[@MuhammadIrfan-ye5zf]

@km6832 Think about the business it takes to support the project. Ducati are selling $30k/unit bike, Ferrari are selling $200k - $400k/unit cars. And Ferrari sales quantity are not that far off from Ducati (maybe 1/2 of Ducati with 10x of the sales tag).

[@jarnosaarinen4583]

not surprised

[@BlackRose-vi2yg]

I can see them having to sell their MotoGP business. I cannot see them being allowed to spend that money on racing when creditors have outstanding accounts.

[@Markc88825]

Think of the small business suppliers that won’t get paid.

[@Terraceview]

100K+ unsold motorcycles... let that sink in. It seems like it's over unfortunately for KTM MotoGP if they don't stop paying all their management stupid money.

[@christosphillips3568]

What KTM needs to do is rethink and re-design the front end of their bikes! It looks appauling; many potential buyers are put off from that paying mantis insectocidal f..in look. They dont do justice to their tech with what they adopted as their "KTM LOOK"!!! If a bike is not nice to look at then its like you are sending it to the fight with one arm tied up . Just my two cents.

[@captaintoyota3171]

No it wouldnt solve anything. 2021 lots of ppl bought bikes, ktm and others upped production. BUT kawasaki etc will tell you the mass market superbike is DEAD. Bikes arent offering benefits advancment enough to really help the market. Ppl just dont buy new superbikes anymore.the x bow etc cost vs sales where horrid. So ktm screwed themselves overproducibg and expanding. So its possible they restructure etc but they have motogp contract thru 2026, upgrades and r&d will drop. Acosta must hope the pre restructure upgrades are enough. Cause 2026 ktm may be gone. Bmw ducatti aprillia can justify a premium price and keep the small production market alive. Ktm reached too far and strayed from the bespoke premium bike for mass market, which like i said it doesnt exist

[@otter7467]

@@captaintoyota3171 Nah this dude isn't wrong. I did look at KTM's when I bought a new superbike this year. Test rode a ton of bikes (SFV4, PanV4s, R1, SupDuk, GSX1R, etc), and I loved the feel of the Super Duke, but I couldn't get over the looks. I ended up with an RSV4. MotoGP really doesn't make sense for KTM. KTM doesn't even have a street legal Superbike, so why bother with MotoGP? I'd love a KTM V4 superbike with lights but the best they offer are bug faced Naked V2s. Outside of the dirt side (had a 701 in the past), the bikes are ugly. I disagree with the superbikes are dying (I accept I could be wrong), but with all cars costing more and performance cars becoming completely out of reach for most. What other option would a speed obsessed lad have but superbikes or hyper nakeds?

[@oceanforth21]

@@captaintoyota3171 I would agree that the superbike is dead, but KTM doesn’t make mass market superbikes. They have their upcoming 990 RC R, but that’s a torquey twin for the newly emerging “modern” supersport class, which everyone seems to be interested in dipping their hands in

[@fearme46]

@@otter7467to offer a different perspective, I’ve owned a Tuono, Street Triple, R1, GSX-R, Harley’s etc etc and this year I finally pulled it he trigger on a Super Duke 1390. It’s definitely not a “pretty” bike, but I love the looks of the 24 model. It looks and rides insane, the most fun, crazy yet practical bike I’ve ever owned. I love it! People keep blaming KTM’s issues on cams, looks, reliability but it simply comes down to their management dreaming too big, too greedy, too many companies, too many bikes to sell in a horrible worldwide economy.

[@A.J.1656]

@@otter7467 Funny, I bought the 1390 because it was the only naked bike on the market that was actually naked and that I could look at without cringing. Best bike I've ever owned. That said, if any of the Hyper nakeds would just put a damn round headlight on a naked bike, I'd buy it over any of the modern looking bikes.

[@cosmiccharlie8294]

Wrong question perhaps. What will happen to MotoGp in 2025 and beyond?

[@40indyuk]

They bought MV ? that down the tubes too ?

[@Badmavs]

I just hope I will be able to find parts for my 1290 sdr for years to come. Just glad I got gen1 which is relatively bulletproof and doesn’t really need any help from dealers that will be gone and can be fixed by a decent mechanic. Poor sods who splashed on new 1390 recently 😂

[@A.J.1656]

What do you imagine going wrong on the 1390 that wouldn't happen on a 1290?

[@Badmavs]

@ simple, things were different in 2015. Same as bmw were different in 2012-2016 with s1000rr was pretty reliable with bulletproof engines. Same with cars. Planned obsolescence started being implemented with cars around 2015-2017, few years later with bikes. Plus lot less unnecessary crazy electronics. With regards to production fuckups and cheese cams that is pretty recent phenomenon started in 2020-ties

[@Luchingador]

looking forward to pick up a cheap KTM

[@martelmarteau4502]

.... and reliable ....😉

[@ratmanmurray7137]

@@martelmarteau4502 But will you be able to buy parts, now, or in the future?

[@captinktm]

History repeating it's self. The last time they failed at MotoGP they also went bust. Their products are no longer reliable, they have had major issues with many many different bikes. I have personally owned at least 30 of their bikes ( and worked for them) up till the carbs disappeared, would I buy another one? Not a chance. They bought Gas gas and Husqvarna because there KTM sales were dropping, mainly because of reliability and they were expensive and of course every man and his dog had a KTM. They were a victim of their own success. Conning people to buy other brands which are just a different colour was never going to last. Will the Austrian government bail them out again? I doubt it. They will sell of Husqvarna and Gas gas to the Chinese, or the India will buy the complete lot. Will they win MotoGP ..............not a f....in chance.

[@bendavies6775]

A ready made race team for Lewis Hamilton or BMW?

[@AaronCarloGullaDeGuzman]

I think Red Bull will buy KTM just like 20 years ago in F1 when they buy Ford for $1 dollar and invest $300+ million

[@graemesydney38]

They MIGHT buy the MotoGP team (not KTM)

[@PhilbyFavourites]

I ride a BMW GS (1150 in 2004 and 1250 in 2020) originally on the grounds that KTM were too far up their own arses and put Charley and Ewan down. KTM are still repeating those poor business decisions…..

[@alanhow3575]

As far as enduro machines, many jumped ship from KTM to the likes of Shirco, Beta etc and Yamaha because KTM were trying to be TOO innovative which created unreliable and underperforming products at premium prices. Why would you if you can’t spend the same or less elsewhere on reliable machinery?

[@Bloodred.Tac0]

I hope they get a good investor and someone with business sense. Ditch gas gas and the new MV. Husky makes sense in all the “other” sales. Be good if someone like Red Bull or someone else to buy the majority and quit sending their product to elsewhere.

[@paullacey2999]

KTM should have been improving the build and reliability of their bikes instead of so many race programmes,And not buying into loads of motorcycle brands.MV Augusta has been a boom and bust story.KTM,Husquavarna and Gasgas all compete with one another with similar bikes too.

[@Chris_Page]

KTM filed their insolvency documents today they owe €2.9 billion

[@ianjohnson1207]

KTM AG declares insolvency with €1.8 billion in debt; total liabilities across three entities reach €2.9 billion. There’s a difference between debt and liabilities

[@mikegregory472]

Can we not have an English speaker narrator please? Can't understand a word of this vid, sorry

[@george.ptauner7767]

NOTHING!! they just signed a contract!!! You CAN'T break the contract!!!!

[@85antone]

Too many brands and some poor management decisions - I wish them well

[@RaduDavidescu_Bucharest]

they will turn into CF Moto GP most likely in 2026 and there a good chances that chinese to win a championship. They are well organized and have context to perform, underdog, good pilots!

[@A.J.1656]

Have you ever worked with the Chinese? I have and I'll say I wouldn't expect much of anything out of them.

[@Davidkxf]

I can't see that arbitrators allowing this project to continue while they laying hundreds of staff off, I won't be surprised if BMW buys the MotoGP team.

[@woodrowbeckford7610]

The trouble KTM is having is just an indication of what's going on with all motorcycles. In the end only one will remain, Honda.

[@ewganhoff]

And Honda have absolutely knocked it out the park with the new, 150hp, 1000 Hornet for £9000! That makes every other manufacturer look stupid.

[@Terraceview]

@@ewganhoff Best deal on the market now.

[@liadh_x]

@@ewganhoff agreed new bikes also vans, are so expensive now paid 6995 for a brand new cbr600rr in 2006 double the price now for essentially the same bike

[@ewganhoff]

@@liadh_x £7K in 2006 is £11,800 today, so that CBR is actually cheaper today. Just for curiosity I did the backward calc for the Hornet 1000 and it comes out to £5,300 in 2006. That is mental cheap.

[@A.J.1656]

@@ewganhoff You mean they made a 2006 FZ1? Wow, so innovative.

[@jeffreykneeream8013]

hopefully KTM can regroup

[@speedtrap420]

$$$ killed the OG KTM MotoGP(motor was built, never raced) project back in the day, I can see this round of money troubles doing it in again. $$$ killed the OG Aprilia MotoGP 3 cylinder once upon a time and them Kawasaki and Suzuki guys have yet to return. If KTM survives, good on them, however if they ditch out, the peoples champion(Pedro Acosta), might want to hunt a Moto2 team for a ride. Cheers!

[@caltiki3090]

Racing will not save them at this point…………

[@2heavyb517]

Their optimism seems more like a scared kid whistling past the graveyard

[@tonygee3284]

There Moto gp team is gone

[@resQ-av8r]

you mean the crypto-bro three wheeler didn't save the brand .. shocking. Mercedes Group finally has chance to get a motorbike arm like VWgroup's Ducati & BMW motorrad .. after all what is more German than Austria ;-) but please get rid of those ridiculous 3 wheeler.

[@jamesfunck5341]

KTM should really wind down its spending on Moto GP. Its very very expensive advertising. Better to just make cool and fun bikes. I really like their bikes. Sure I like watching KTM bikes in MotoGP. But that's not why I bought one.

[@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains]

hopefully in newly revise motogp in future puts a ban on aero and such. making it more cost effective for smaller market team. i love that ducati is finally dominating but the overtaking actions needs to come back, those aero close too much weakness of every bike making the weakness less obvious for other brands to attack. it's not fair for ducati but i want motogp to be more exciting.

[@manutd19880728]

Well, its time for BMW to buy KTM and rename the project.

[@jamescampbell4334]

Does KTM really think a win or two in MotoGP will fix their woes?KTMs inability to make cams last, compounded by not stepping up with warranty repair authoritarians on customers bikes, will NOT be wiped away by the top step on a podium.

[@jjohnnyqquest7900]

They need to ditch motogp, and save the company. Period !!! That simple 😊

[@graemesydney38]

Maybe go back to their roots - offroad champs. Apparently the reliability and reputational damage brought by the road bikes has been an issue.

[@petesmitt]

Sponsors pay for the MotoGP team, not KTM..

[@smith2781]

Normally when a company feel a financial crisis the racing team is the first to go. So when the new regulations happen in a couple of years they might pull out. Unless Tata keep funding it like the Arabs did when McLaren hit problems?

[@juanl.burlew5370]

The most single idiotic thing they have done is invest in moto gp!!! bread and butter from my perspective was motorcross, enduro and Dakar. Drop the moto gp program like a hot potato and let it go!!! Second idiotic thing they did was not have good engineers that could detect an issue prior to launch and quality control to catch it and then allowing so many bikes to be released knowing the issues at hand. Growth is great! Every company wants growth, growth is great, but I think they outgrew themselves. I think they should have been more conservative in their growth and focused on the quality of product and allow the market to adapt to their output with the quality of product output with growth being moderate to assure future sales to become demand instead and being ahead of the curve instead of trying to be ahead of the curve and producing subpar products. The moto gp program was a silly stab in the dark. Street has not really been their focus, so in doing so to 'compete' against brands that have more street oriented bikes was a silly move and has cost them HUNDREDS of millions of Euros with no apparent payoff. Another cool project that I have not seen significant payoff, although I admit I have no seen the numbers is the XBow project. I have NEVER seen one here in the states, NEVER!!! Why waste the money on that??? How did Coke become the leading soda company, sticking to one basic thing, what about Starbuck, same, and the list of other generational companies, similar. Although, yes there are some that branched and pivoted, yet stuck with original idea of what they developed and sold. I don't know if bringing in other brands like GasGas has helped, I think not. I think they shot themselves in the foot with such foolish investments in programs that do not bring in revenue along with quality and such issues. Too bad!! I will continue to buy 990 adv's like the one I have and some of the bikes that I know were quality built before this debacle.

[@ewganhoff]

And here comes Honda with a 150hp bike for £9000! The Hornet 1000 makes every other manufacturer look incredibly dumb. Not least KTM with the 1390. If you think 30hp, zwhen we're talking 150+hp makes a difference on the road, you are a noob, a squid, and you don't know what day it is.

[@A.J.1656]

If you would compare a Honda Hornet to the 1390 Super Duke, you're a noob, a squid and probably just a poor person. If you're so worried about cost per HP, buy a used 2006 FZ1 with the same horsepower as the Hornet.

[@MPD622]

Seems that maybe a class action law suit for engine reliability issues and trying to sell subscriptions to access hardware already on the bike hasn't gone too well...

[@A.J.1656]

They sell subscriptions? I just paid to permanently unlock all the features on mine.

[@MPD622]

@A.J.1656 apparently they tried it, like bmw, according to a friend that recently got a superduke (and hates it, says the power and sheer lunacy of it is great but it feels soulless), I ain't got the money to be looking anywhere near KTM 😂 but even so, paying one off to use something that's already on the bike... Seems a little wild. Like okay, spekcing in optional extras sure, but to use hardware already on the bike... Doesn't sit easy with me at all. The question then lies as to what do you own of that bike when you buy it? Do you own the stuff you haven't paid for if its on the bike already? Idk man, leaves room for a lot of doubt for the end consumer. Either way, clearly something isn't working in their business model

[@A.J.1656]

@@MPD622 Yeah, I have a 1390 Super Duke Evo, and there wasn't a subscription, just had to pay for the installation of the software or the unlock depending on how you look at it. If your friend says he hates the bike, buy it from him. You'll see it is far from soulless. lol

[@htssoutboardsboatstrains9784]

I think KTM needs to dump all this esoteric stuff and get back to their basics. Race bikes for Enduro & Moto. The over sea's stretch hurts the brand in the eyes of their core customers. Those dual purpose disasters need to go as well. They have lost the trust in that market with the can shaft and other customer relations issues. Ditch that line and start from scratch when the business model is right. Continue with the Motocross and Off road market with the conventional bikes.

[@sungerbob1786]

every motorcycle manufacturer complains about new generations not buying bikes anymore sells dropping constantly yet bikes prices going higher and higher every year and its becoming much harder to buy a motorcycle.. and for the ktm, its not ok exiting moto gp to cut down the expenses like suzuki did, but its ok to lay off hundreds of people right? im not even sorry.

[@liadh_x]

where do you get 20k from to buy an R1 for example - it will cost me a divorce - smaller cheap 2 strokes machines are the way forward

[@NMdesertracer]

They need to ditch MV and GasGas!

[@abubakrhartley959]

think to make money they should sell the motogp team to bmw

[@John_Smith__]

Yup, last time they won was 2021 With Miguel Oliveira MO88 in Barcelona. but I do not think they are going away anytime soon. There is a serious world economic crisis coming and motorbike sales suffer. High end motorbikes suffer more. So KTM will simply have to a less expensive product offerings. I must remember everyone that the best selling motorbikes are Low-powered scooter but By Far. KTM has no offer on that segment. About the Brand tho they are Super Strong. KTM is one the most recognizable Brand names out there! They have indeed a Fan-base and motorbike fans all oer the world consider KTM obviously for what they are ..a TOP Brand with Top Motorbikes. KTM will come out of this restructure process Stronger.

[@bradsanders6954]

Moto-Gp is a dead end. For the cost and time involved KTM will probably dump everything to do with Moto-Gp. It was always a bridge too far. Kawasaki quit. Suzuki quit. I love Moto-Gp racing but its a huge undertaking for a factory.

[@kochj0713]

So here’s the situation in America that’s a lot of bikes used to be sold our streets and everything else is not set up for motorcycle. It’s too damn dangerous especially with the type of people coming in the country that don’t have insurance will take off running once they hit you, etc. if you want to save motorcycles and you actually care about traffic make a lane that’s only for motorcycles and you’ll see an absolute explosion of bike sales.. you need good people that can represent Motor cyclist not the AMA they suck balls get rid of them create a different company that actually supports and tries to-put legislature to make sure we are in a better place. Everybody loves to talk about the environment. talk about how that’s so important motorcycles is the answer for every day travel

[@gordonwallin2368]

Will the Austrian government prop them up, like the US did to Harley? Mmmm.

[@ChristopherZarate-g1s]

I think KTM will be bought by Redbull, that is the most logical right now.

[@Badmavs]

Most likely CF Moto will buy Ktm brand and sell cheaper bikes in Asia. They are doing that already in limited capacity

[@cheeseburger3209]

CF Moto don't have 3 billion dollars and the CCP ain't going to loan them that kind of money.

[@ROBOTRIX_eu]

[@anrods]

KTM should also add other colors to their bike It's kinda boring to see orange....

[@Bin-911]

If they are getting bankrupt then why do invest in some shit bike r&d like 1390, 8 90, 790. ,990 which doesn't even make much revenue or not best selling

[@Erik-rp1hi]

The control by the bean counters will have all bikes produced in China.

[@markloubser2433]

KTM is just a toy company so whats the big surprise? The big players, Honda, Yamaha, BMW etc have transport bikes as their core business....

[@A.J.1656]

KTM shoals start making generators, jets, pianos and cars. Only then will they have the same ability to sell their brand name slapped onto Chinese and Indian produced scooters to be sold in the third world the way the big-dogs do. lol

[@GregOwens-vh4se]

Get some.

[@23DuDe]

Moto3 engine supplier and associated costs...? And CFM won the championship in 2024... MX and SX have been dominated by Honda mainly Enduro is their only success and even then it's probably more a Husky brand that's dominated. 790/890 issues... Overpriced bikes compared to competitors Ebike and related genre's just shows the underlying issues Then we can move onto of the lack of 'new' bikes after the teasers of 2021 I still think half the issue is supplying bikes that are too expensive in a world market that is reeling from covid costs payback and the impacts of cost of living crisis occurring in every country they sell in.

[@Jungleland33]

This is the result of treating your quality control and customers like shit. Tbphwy I'm surprised they lasted this long. I'm genuinely sorry for the ordinary staff as they had nothing to do with this.

[@maxflight777]

Bullshit

[@leebrand2172]

KTM are gone. Two simple reasons - its a 3 000 000 000 Euro hole and the guys who got into that hole are now going to fix it? Nyet.

[@nialbarnsley4108]

I think the last 2 years they have ploughed a shit ton of £££££ into moto gp to try to win. But pedro acosta just ate up all the dough constantly bining his bike like 10 times a race weekend

[@GeorgiaGrowGuy]

KTM would not be in this situation if they did not make shitty bikes.

[@maxflight777]

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