Whataboutism in Russian diplomacy | Explained

[@keshakesha2344]

TV Rain, these video are incredibly useful and needed for English speaking audience! Thank you so much!!!❤

[@dcal1736]

In Putlers early years the Russians were planting the Trojan horse and then a few years later they came crawling out of it.

[@kooringagnd]

No doubt the rear end of the horse.

[@TimberwolfMountaineer]

@@kooringagnd Perfect.

[@ExVeritateLibertas]

I will take exception to one remark by the narrator -- the Russians who think the 90s were "the worst decade of the 20th century" (which is probably over half of them) apparently have no knowledge of the 10s, 20s, 30s or 40s. There is nothing that happened in the 90s in Russia that is even comparable to WW1, the civil war, the Terror, Gulags, WW2 and Stalinism. And whatever else happened, as least in the 90s Russians were actually free to think, speak, travel, and be who they wanted.

[@ExVeritateLibertas]

Well, I lied -- I have to take exception to another remark. Americans aren't taught about Soviet losses? Not true. Every high school history textbook that covers WW2 gives the casualty figures, and no educated person or textbook says the US won WW2 alone. Unlike Russian sources, US sources does not minimize anybody's contribution. The USSR turned WW2 into a pseudo-religion and propaganda for grievances against the West. It is unchanged in contemporary Russia and a major ideological support for the horrible war that is going on now.

[@PNH-sf4jz]

@@ExVeritateLibertas Absolutely agreed and supported, with regad to both your comments. That is, except for the "admission of Lying". You were simply adding further supportive information to your initial post.

[@titanomachy2217]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The entire first half of the 20th century was a nightmare for everyday Russians, especially the 30s and 40s.

[@rabbitt-ee4yu]

The USSR was a mighty empire once, that lost the cold war in a humiliating manner (they went bankrupt, lost identity and standing internationally !). In the 1990s, Russia suffered another humiliating period of poverty and corruption when communism failed. Russia, then failed to adapt to the Western economic and political models due to their leaders intransigence. They later failed to meet requirement to join NATO, and failed again while trying to join the EU. Russias political ideology was rejected by 95% of the world, who had moved on from autocratic dictatorships to more evolved systems of governance. When you consider it as a whole, that's a lot of "own goals" that Russia falsely sees as rejection of everything Russian, that's lead to Russia developing a national inferiority complex, that's bruised Putin's ego. Now add Ukraine to the mix! UKRAINE, to Russian's was a “popular little Brother” and when Ukraine embarked on a path to westernization, including EU and NATO membership, where greater prosperity, freedom and individuality was possible, it was frowned apon by "the less popular big brother" Russia. In the West, it's a natural progression when a country is “mature” enough to become an independent sovereign state, to decide to become a lawful, free-market democracy. (when "little brother" is ready to leave home and fend for himself! ) BUT for Russia, which has failed on that path several times itself, this aspiration by Ukraine became an imagined humiliation to the family and was looked on as a total rejection of the Russian political model, their philosophies and morality. Essentially, by choosing West over East, Ukraine was believed to be telling Russia that they don't need their "big brother" any more and that’s hard to take from a country seen as a “little brother”, when the "big brother" has an inferiority complex. So Russia fabricated rationalizations to keep Ukraine in the family, that gradually, when Ukraine rejected Russia's reasoning, were used to justify an attitude readjustment of "little brother" (invasion) to try to straighten them out and make them stay loyal to Russia's family. The programming of the Russian people started early in 2013 with rumours of Ukraine joining NATO, saying NATO was anti-russian and that it would be dangerous to have NATO, a purely defensive organisation, that had never threatened Russia, “too close to Moscow” on Russia's borders (conveniently forgetting Estonia, Norway, Lithuania, Latvia, etc were already on Russia's borders and had been so, peacefully, for 20 years) The Russian people were told Russia could not permit Nuclear weapons on their borders even though Ukraine had been rejected by NATO in 2017, so Ukraine arming with Nuclear weapons was never going to happen. More misinformation followed, with messages that “Westernization” of Ukraine was really a CIA campaign. That Ukraine was a nazi country, full of Nazis, lead by a Nazis (forgetting to mention that Zalensky's is Jewish, and that the far right got less than 2% in Ukraines election, gaining no seats in local or national government) Russias media repeatedly told the Russian people that Ukraine planned to attack Russia. That Ukraine was producing anti-slavic viruses. That Ukraine was committing genocide in the Donbas, etc. All misinformation constructed to brainwash the Russian people to gain support for the up coming "special military operation" AKA, Russian Ukraine war. Russia's TV channels incessantly and casually delivered their propaganda over the years slowly brainwashing the population, while most recently their stooges screamed about their nukes; screaming how they could vaporise countries at their leisure, screaming how easy it would be to obliterate London, Paris, Berlin, etc! Actions you don’t see on TV in the US, or France, or UK, or Israel or China or any rational thinking country for that matter, where they are secure in their national identity. But in Russia they are overcompensating for feeling inferior, so screaming “we have nukes” "we can Nuke you" "it's all the west's fault" helps to assuage that inferiority complex. Russia is now seen as a corrupt, almost destitute, desperate “GAS STATION WITH NUTS AND NUKES ” with few friends and a reputation to lie a lot, that means many countries don't trust them anymore. In simple terms, Russia has a fired up national inferiority complex, fanned by Putin's paranoia, which in turn fuels Russia's disgusting anti-social behavior at the country and international level.

[@PNH-sf4jz]

From what I have read and seen, including from Russian sources, you have summarised the events and Russia's speech and actions very acurately. Thank you.

[@suecastillo1733]

Excellent recap.

[@mariakopp4948]

Hat jemand gehört,das Russland hat die Japan mit die Atombomben überfallen????

[@ettoreatalan8303]

The behavior of the Putin regime is like that of a schoolyard bully. Unlike the Putin regime, the schoolyard bully has a knife with him at worst.

[@dawiemos]

Like saying: There are murderers. So, it is ok for us to murder! It is a rhetorical fallacy.

[@marymarlow3646]

I don’t entirely agree with the whataboutism denunciation. No the existence of murderers doesn’t legitimise murder but it does disqualify murderers from criticising other murderers.

[@marymarlow3646]

In fact I’m all up for a bit of my own whataboutism in that a country that fights 2 wars to stop one of its colonies from seceding and has a law that forbids these colonies from holding referendums on secession, should not be allowed to claim another country’s territory on the basis of nothing but a claim that the citizens of that territory want to secede and especially not on the basis of a rigged referendum the like of which it has specifically legislated against at home.

[@sunshine4sue2]

🗽🇺🇸 💁 Great reporting, thank you 🤗

[@Mass1veGam3r]

101 How to be a Dictator: Make imaginary enemies and fake existencial threats and than Act and Preach as being their Saviour. Or metaphorical speaking Kremlin to his people is like entrust a chicken safety to a pack of foxes.....

[@ramanraj6144]

Much like how "the threat to the free world by Iraq's WMD" and America liberating Iraqis in Operation Iraqi Liberation(OIL)?

[@3cosmo]

Great analysis

[@larrydean6550]

Nobody can dodge a question like the Russian Gov

[@eddybrevet6816]

Thing is we can criticize the government, even unjustly, facts can be checked, there is like fukups can never happen, forget , or blame their recourse

[@scottsmith8716]

Typical Russian: I’ll create a big problem and then offer solutions to the big problem I created.

[@markbrignell6185]

Has anyone been counting how many times has Russia threatened nuclear war

[@dcal1736]

The US only lost 350,000 to the Soviet Unions 27M because we didn't go to war with a potato peeler. If the US didn't give the Soviets lend lease the soviets would have run out of military equipment because they could not produce enough and fast enough. The US and Western allies were better equipped and therefore didn't loose as many soldiers.

[@alex.zabunov]

No. It's because of the reason that you began to fight with Hitler, when he was actually done by us.

[@emiliat.5881]

Actually the USA started much later in ww2 and Russia had already lost lot of people due to fighting, first with the Germans and later against them with help from the Americans. But when you feel aggrieved it is easy to forget these things and bend history to your own benefits.

[@dcal1736]

@@alex.zabunov No it's because karma came into play and bit Stalin and the Soviets in the a$$. Stalin secretly signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler and had already planned on how to split up territory between the Soviets and Germany. One madman trusted another madman and karma came back to Uncle Joe. So i wonder if out of the 27M Soviets killed does that number include the 10M Stalin killed. Hmm.

[@dcal1736]

@@alex.zabunov Lol by the time the US began to fight with the Germans NO WAY at that time were the Germans beaten by the Soviets.

[@alex.zabunov]

@@dcal1736 really?))) Who did tell that shit? Your mom?))

[@koshkin27koshkin92]

Canadian veteran hunka loves this video

[@Patendyck76]

All politician everywhere evade answering questions as you well know, this is just Russophobia to confuse your viewer. Rain is a right shower.😢

[@okuphelele9585]

Do you understand the irony of what you just said?

[@Alphamind123]

Blames everything on the west

[@ChristyBermingham]

Russian press are very hard on putin ,😅😅

[@visnjalivancic3953]

The same as CNN

[@barracuda6900]

Hi Guys, do you plan on doing a profile on Olga Skabeeva? I saw some recent clips of her on Russian Media Monitor, and she looks increasingly nervous and despondent. Maybe her heart is no longer in this propaganda game, or she's worried about being prosecuted in the future? I'm sure it will trigger more whataboutism from her...

[@titanomachy2217]

Lol Russia is proud of the fact that they would have lost WWII if they engaged the Germans by themselves. They fought terribly, they had losses of ten to one against the Germans. They basically lost WWII, if not for the Western Allies.

[@live_free_or_perish]

1984

[@MarieDavis-xt7er]

When the Russians are in charge are because of global integration like The Line of Saudi Arabias Neom integration real estate developments programs around the world

[@SingWithUkraine]

⬜🟦⬜ 💙💛 💪

[@Linn630]

The muppit show 😂

[@yurilytviak9066]

You claim to be an American but your English grammar looks slavic. When you say “introduced violent elements (into Ukraine)”,do you mean the rushin that invaded in 2014? Before that, there was no way getting Ukraine into nato would be accepted by the vast majority of Ukrainians. It took the present day rushin depredations to fully awaken the Ukrainian people as to who their northern neighbours really are….

[@stephenhill545]

Demanded to take insisted on taking. You're right. That's not an English speaker.

[@oneanywhere8561]

>>> Before that, there was no way getting Ukraine into nato would be accepted by the vast majority of Ukrainians. Unquestionably, this grammar proves your American origin. 😂

[@zetristan4525]

About the promise not to expand NATO "one inch to the east", Putin acknowledged several times that it was not given to Russia in writing, and therefore the West could not be formally obliged to uphold it. (That promise has however been documented in other meetings of the relevant Western diplomats). In the Russian criticisms of the USA, Ekaterina, they are almost all true! (obviously the LGBT one is mainly silly conservatism tho). I say this as an American who has been shocked over the years to discover by how much the US security state is by far the most duplicitous, violent organization on the planet. No-one else comes close. It's really heartbreaking and had the effect of opening Pandora's Box everywhere.🗽💔 This should not excuse the Russian government in any way from the horrible crimes it has committed for decades too. We still dearly miss Nemtsov, Politkovskaya, Magnitsky...and our hearts are with the Kara-Murzas right now. Putin has actually expressed his understanding that Soviet domination over the Baltic republics and Eastern Europe was wrong, as he said, creating distrust that made these want to join NATO. He still wanted to keep cooperating with the West tho, until post-2007 American moves to manipulate Ukraine and Georgia made him draw a red line, after which would come military reactions. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is an unequivocally wrong "solution" by his regime. It is not excusable at all. But please see that the US and Russian securocrats have been feeding off each other's distrust for years, and bringing violent elements in Ukraine into the mix blew it all up. It's really a tragedy for the world...we are all fellow human beings and we should have all been helping each other for all these decades, friends as Reagan, Gorbachev and early-years-Putin wanted. (Then we got the biggest war criminal of the 21st century, George W Bush and his idiotic regime, and the American neoconservatives and Russian silovi-crazies demanded to take us all on a joint mutually-reactive path to hell with them.) We must at least keep talking respectfully and regularly with our adversaries, like Kennedy and Krushchev did, even if we are steadfast not to give them anything. Understanding all angles on the real world does not mean condoning any of the criminals.

[@G-Man-half-life]

No promise was ever made stop making things up we Americans and our nato allies never said that we will never expand no official document was ever signed saying otherwise also if a country wants to join nato then there’s nothing we can do but vote 🗳 and if all nato members vote yes then that country who wants to join nato is now a nato member countries are not forced to join nato countries join nato out of their own free will seeking protection from Russia and its filthy terrorists population.

[@peterd9698]

The Republican Party show the flaw in Russian whataboutisms.. because they are precisely the fascists simping for Putin right now.. Instead of saying “America” they might as well have said “our oligarch buddies who screw you and then have tea with us”. Nationalism is largely a con used by rich people who do not give a damn about nations, but just don’t want us to notice they are the evil we should be fighting.

[@renatacaramaschi445]

You forget the will of Ukranian people to live in a free and democratic country ..out of Usa or Russia influence ..

[@G-Man-half-life]

@@renatacaramaschi445 well that’s a little to late considering Ukraine keeps asking us Americans and our western allies for support and weapons Ukraine 🇺🇦 is already moving closer and closer to western influence.

[@victorprice7431]

You are all war criminals. Not just G W Bush! To say that NATO expansion was just verbal and not in writing..we maybe that's why you have the mess in your hands that you have now. You have ignored the Russians and continued to expand NATO. This goes back 30 years . You have all committed horrible crimes all over the world . Stop the bs propaganda and find a solution to stop killing people in Ukraine. And when you say the the Ukrainian people have the right to live independently, with your version of democracy, so did CUBA! And other Latin American countries where the US controlled them and over thru their domestic elected governments because they did not agree with yours! And all the crimes you have done all over the world, now it is not enough now you want to screw around with the Russians and the CHINESE BAD IDEA!!!

[@mohammedriyaz7981]

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[@John-hu9qg]

"Whataboutism" is a cute western term for one law for us and one law for them.

[@stevebeer3324]

No,its a technical term used in ( the over eleven year old's) philosophy class to remind people that Marcus robbing peters school dinner money ,does not justify Vladimirs nailing a fellow pupil to a tree..

[@mariemendy5713]

Russia is attacked 😳

[@felipe-vibor]

What Russia is pointing out and frankly most other leaders in the global south is the double standards amd hypocrisy surrounding only this particular war.

[@bearpaw72]

I don't remember Ukraine having these double standards, as they had always been invaded and oppressed by the very country pointing out this hypocrisy. Besides, the Ukrainians don't care if the country they side with is bloodier. They don't care if the Italian mafia came to their defence. Hell, even if a nation of pedophiles were responsible for Ukraine's independence, Ukrainians still won't care - as long as they gained their independence. Besides, if a school yard bully terrorizes you all the time but the bully who terrorizes even more kids comes to your aid, who would you side with?

[@ConstantinChirpac]

Iraq, jugoslavia, Vietnam, Afghanistan,

[@PNH-sf4jz]

Despite the costs for the Soviet Union not being overwhelmingly large compared to other commitments, the Soviet-Afghan War left a long legacy in the former Soviet Union and, following its collapse, for the Russian Federation. Along with financial, economic and personnel losses, it brought physical disabilities and widespread drug and alcohol addiction throughout the USSR and subsequently, to the Russian Federation. According to scholars Rafael Reuveny and Aseem Prakash, the war contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union by: ---- undermining the image of the Red Army as invincible, ---- undermining Soviet legitimacy, and by ---- creating new forms of political participation. I can see the same patterns emerging in the Russian WAR against Ukraine as occurred prior to the dissolution of the USSR . The WAR that Russia is waging on Ukraine is going to have a far greater impact on the Russian Federation than the Afghanistan WAR had on its predecessor, the Soviet Union. It may be possible, because of pride, arrogance, hubris, jealousy and even embarrassment, that the Russian Federation believe they have nothing more to lose and will keep fighting till they are beaten to a stand still - Total Defeat. A lot of appearances but supported by little of substance. Afghanistan - Soviet Casualties and losses {in 10 years, 1979-98} Soviet Union: 14,453-26,000 9,500 KIA in combat 4,000 died from wounds 1,000 died from disease and accidents Ukraine - Russian Casualties and losses {in 20 months, 2022-23} ~ 365.000 KIA ~ 1.000.000 wounded Another example of the application of the sunk cost fallacy in action. The Sunk Cost Fallacy describes our tendency to follow through on an endeavour if we have already invested time, effort, or money into it, whether or not the current costs outweigh the benefits or any possible return on present or future investment.

[@burmalba896]

What kind of journalism is this? You don't want to be called on similar act. Bs

[@edwinsiala3373]

Russia bashing is the sure way to increase subscription on social media.

[@stevebeer3324]

Yeah, Its not like contributors to TV Rain have a deeper and more profound understanding of the issues here than you do, is it? I take it your main point is that you would rather they showed videos of cats....or what? You do know the people who run this channel live in exile, and have been in danger from the Russian regime, ? Do you?

[@mariemendy5713]

Africa respects Russia 🇷🇺 🙏

[@stevebeer3324]

Africa will learn differently. It will have many robber baron rulers in the meantime.

[@Alphamind123]

It's only obvious to people who thinks for themselves. Those politicians could fertilize Russia with the amount of bs coming from there mouths

[@cheguevararevolutionair852]

Nice propaganda.

[@jtr789310]

Why you leave out President Bush missile defense system to Poland back in 2008 ? you only telling one side of the story guess it because you roots from Russia

[@ettoreatalan8303]

A missile defense system is mandatory when you have the Russian terrorist organization as a neighbor. Did you sleep through the Ukraine war?

[@jtr789310]

​@@ettoreatalan8303 . To the West the Cold War never stop they never tried to work with Russia or Ukraine. All they cared about was to sale arms to make money. Till 2-22 the West could care less about the shit-hole Ukraine, but there money to be made now so they make you think they care.

[@PNH-sf4jz]

@@jtr789310 What absolute and utter cr*p you speak.

[@баг-т6п]

US must go home, they aren't in any map of Europe so just return home .

[@marymarlow3646]

What about us Australians? We are not on any map of Europe either but we are helping Ukraine in our own small way just as America is helping them in its bigger capacity. We do it because they are a relatively small country that has never invaded another country and just wants to be free, western and liberal democratic but has been attacked by a much larger country that has been occupying and manipulating it for decades if not centuries. They particularly don’t want to live under a rule where people answer questions with “If I answer that I will go to jail”.

[@RZakelis]

They are our friends and allies, they are welcomed to stay in our countries as much as they pleased.Greetings from Lithuania!

[@KellyJK07]

Sorry putin...we are staying there

[@2ezzillatube]

Lol ur a liar

[@demitrisharilaou9536]

Putin lady greatest leader ever you get leaders like him every five thousand years

[@stevebeer3324]

No. Hitler, Staliin, Pol Pot and Kim Jung Un are much more recent then that, as is Vlad the Impaler ( no relation)

[@brentlunger9738]

두미 만세! 🙌🎉(Clava Duma)

[@demitrisharilaou9536]

America you only get little bidens now