NEW Electric Car Range Test - does hot weather REALLY make a difference? | What Car?

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We drive 12 electric cars until they die to find out how far they'll really travel on a full charge in hot weather.
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[@djtaylorutube]

A Tesla driver isn't going to go and charge at Gridserve at 69p when Tesla Superchargers are around 34p per kWh off peak and 43p peak. One in Manchester currently being 24p early morning.

[@martinandcarolyn]

Efficiency has always been the most important point of an EV and, sadly, one that car manufacturers have failed to achieve. Instead they all focus on range and do this by simply adding more batteries, making the cars bigger and heavier and more expensive - but less efficient.

[@paultasker7788]

True. If the main advantage is environmental, efficiency is incredibly important.

[@TL-xw6fh]

Fe people actually understand energy efficiency and range is much easier to understand and easier to market to a mass audience.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@TL-xw6fh I disagree, I would suggest that anyone can understand miles per gallon and the cost of that, nobody talks about the size of the fuel tank or how far the vehicles goes non stop. The other factor of just throwing in a larger battery because of laziness or otherwise poor engineering is the additional weight but also the extra charging time.

[@ChilledMatt]

I would say charging network and speed of charge are equally or more important considerations if travelling large distances.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@ChilledMatt Yes but which also dictates how much charge is needed and as a result that directly impacts charge time. If you have to add 100kWh from a 75kWh charger into an Audi etron, while it may have a flat charging curve and ability to use a faster charger, if the only one available is 50 or 75kWh, you're there for a lot longer than another car with double the efficiency and only needs 50kWh.

[@anielloliguori6312]

OK Here is my experience, I have a V2 Cupra Born 58kw. Had it from new since July 2022 done 19500 miles. Most of them commuting 64 mile round trip to work. Most of the time about %80 Motorway rest a mixture of fast A roads and slow A roads. Sometimes i do a different route if the motorway has problems. The car does have the optional heat pump. Nearly all my charging is done at home on Octopus go. So in good conditions I can get 5 mile/kwh I travel Max at 60 mph on commute. Recently I got 5.8 mile/KW when it was 25c and i did most of my journey on A roads. On a day trip to the Lakes from Manchester travelling at motorway speeds 70mph then on slower country roads in the lakes I averaged aprox 4.2mile/kw Now that was travelling mainly at 70mph on M61/M6 with a few bottle necks which would probably increase effiency (regen breaking going slower etc.) Also going up & down in the lakes was a mixed bag ie. going up hill less efficient, going down very efficient etc. Now going back to last winter when we had extreme cold before Xmas doing the same commute the worst I got was 3.4 aprox doing the same journey's at the same speeds I also had to make sure the battery nver dropped to less than 40% in these arctic conditions. I have probably charged the car at public charger aprox 6/8 times since I have had the car. I took it to Cupra after a year for its check the battery hasn't lost any of its capacity (charge 80% unless i go on a day trip to Lakes or Wales etc. then its 90%) Indeed I haven't noticed any depreciation in range! The Car is the most expensive car I have ever bought! Do I like it YES! So far after 19500 miles which has been almost entirely done on 7.5p Kw Service at £90 and car no car tax. Compare that with my Leon. Petrol costing me £65/week for 400miles aprox Car tax at £150> Services every 10000 miles costing aprox £200 at a time, i'll let you do the maths!

[@dbank6107]

Make the most of not paying car tax

[@Neojhun]

@@dbank6107Make the most of not paying localized air pollution tax.

[@beano6452]

@@dbank6107agreed. EV drivers (myself included) are in for a rude awakening very soon. BIK rates for company car drivers are also only going one way ⬆️

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Unfortunately zero use for me doing 110km commute round trip to work, going off-roading in my SUV at weekends and taking long trips (up to 700km at a time - often on roads hundreds of km from a charger) and also towing my camper trailer. I’d like a second car as an EV but no way for the main one. Would love a HFCEV though (Hydrogen Fuel Cell EV) if every petrol station had Hydrogen.

[@verynormalman]

Thanks for journo style reply. TBH, your information exceeds any article I have ever read about the EV world. Thanks again!

[@JoshuaDay]

VERY good video and summary given the variables. Continues to show that the average 'good' range of EV's is consistently around 15% lower than WLTP. Something easy for everyone to calculate if they want a real world range.

[@richardjohnson5529]

i like these range tests i find them very useful please do more mainly on the more affordable new cars to come. thank you.

[@TomleyRC]

Tesla Public charging costs in this video are not accurate... The Supercharger Network is half the price in most cases, and hardly any Tesla owners will charge on anything but.

[@Peoplestariff]

It would be good to have 3 more columns one showing how cheap it is for those with cheap overnight rates of say 7.5p/kWh & another 2 for the equivalent petrol & diesel cost so it’s clear

[@edoardobattaglia5157]

yeah, many would also like to have a column with the range in km instead of miles...

[@Jaw0lf]

My Kia E -Niro 4+ 2021 giving me 270miles this summer with mixed driving and some traffic delays. Also car was left at airport for 3 weeks and did not lose any range. Winter full car of luggage and passengers with temps just above freezing was 220 miles. Car had been left at airport for 2 weeks. So far been really happy with my EV and completed 870 mile return trip to Disneyland Paris running at speed limits. Charges were done whilst waiting for Euro tunnel or stopping for a comfort break and drink. Cost of journey was £35, thanks to a couple of free car charges.

[@davidknollman4222]

Again Tesla tops the efficiency list. Ioniq 6 was counted as the new king but alas it's fallen short. And now Tesla have improved even more with the new model 3. In a league of their own.

[@Twin.motors]

Not just that but the Ioniq is much slower, more expensive with far fewer options as standard

[@nealy2815]

Average UK driver drives 20 miles a day so even the old I3 may be a viable option for many.

[@matthewbellamy486]

Mine has the larger 42kW battery and I get 160 miles. It’s a great little car.

[@ericlafoy8561]

You maybe able to transport 6 people + luggage in the ID BUZZ but what will be the final range. You should also do tests at full passenger capacity + luggage. Too many of these tests are with only the driver not even a passenger. But I do like the test and very informative.

[@tomooo2637]

Bjørn Nyland does lots of detailed reviews of range and efficiency - and did one with an EV + driver , then EV + driver + 400kG (of screen wash). He found that the car was statistically exactly the same (actually slightly better fully loaded - but probably test error) when unloaded and loaded. EV's are much less affected by weight (loading) because they use regen to recover the extra momentum of a fully loaded car. It of course requires a car with reasonable regen levels, but most cars have good enough regen to never need to use the brakes. Of course, this is very different than an ICE car where we have to work brakes harder due higher momentum. In general - an EV is only marginally affected by load (there is a small % on rolling resistance as a function of weight), but due to its high efficiency from "fuel" if is much more affected by wind resistance (and coef of drag), wind, standing water and temperature

[@user-ol6rd7pl5t]

Yes they should be tested in accordance with the intended usage or at least the average usage of the vehicles, a 2 seater is obviously going to use a lot less fuel whatever it uses compared to a 12 seater minibus.

[@stevenjones916]

Well done MG. Surely the moral victors.

[@wendyhopkins2902]

I would like to know, wheres the kia niro 😮😮??

[@geoffreybanditt4355]

It would be interesting to see that test done at -30 degree temperatures in Northing countries like Russia, Norway and Alaska during winter. That would a real cold winter test for an EV batterie.

[@iandavidson99]

My Renault Twizy does 50 miles off a 6kW charge, so 8.3 miles per kWh. How do you like them apples? 🙂

[@Markcain268]

My ebike does 30+ miles on 1kw/h of charge! And doesn't wear out the roads, also no tax, insurance, mot or any other of the annoying red tape needed to drive a car or motorbike

[@mrmawson2438]

Great review thanks guys

[@chasf3433]

Just don't understand Manufacturers like Hyundai making a super aero car and then ruining the efficiency with 20" wheels. They surely should have submitted the smaller wheel version for a range test - bonkers.

[@norwegianzound]

The BMW is a magnificent car to drive, great as a local car. Cheap as chips and the best quality build here even after 10 years. I have a 2015 REx and it takes me all over the country using the engine, and I still have a full electric at home. The petrol consumption is 50mpg and it goes 100km between fills. Remember, even on petrol, it is seriously fast. Unbeatable for price.

[@GamingProject23]

The i3 was an important car for BMW. Its important for people to see that an EV is perfectly usable after 10 years. However as someone driving i3s at work and a Model 3 myself, I always felt the i3s are lacking in refinement. More noise from the motor, more windnoise, bumpy suspension, bumpy regen and the interior quality, esqecially the buttons on the steering wheel or the doorcards make the i3 feel less premium than the Tesla

[@maximilianholland]

Excellent clear information, thank you!

[@ricco123tube]

Charging at home is not 30p per kilowatt. Most people pay between 6 to 10 pence.

[@sailingoctopus1]

He said that

[@comahon2000]

Plus there are tariffs that don’t mean you pay more in the day. Ovo charge anytime for example. 10p kWh for EV charging. Everything else standard rate.

[@Markcain268]

Unless you work nights....

[@craigmck7271]

@@Markcain268OVO anytime would be good for you. 10p whenever you need to charge.

[@Markcain268]

@@craigmck7271 what about 10p per unit when I need to heat my home? Strange that powering a luxury item is considered more important than the bare essentials, shows how backwards our society really is!

[@MandyFlame]

I’ve managed to achieve 4.1 mi/kWh overall on my Ionic 5 over the 3,500 miles I’ve done so far. Very efficient around town but it does drop off a lot on the motorway. I normally charge off solar or at overnight EV tariff at home. The price of electricity is: Zero - solar 9.4p - overnight 29p - at home during the day 46p - York council run fast charger 75p - Service station fast charger Needless to say I charge at home whenever possible!

[@solentbum]

A car not tested, my 40Kwh LEAF returned an average of 4.2 miles per Kw, over 80000 miles. Mostly M/Way driving at lorry speeds, plus a lot of mileage on rural single carriageway roads. A/C is nearly always on, plus heating as required. My 62LEAF returns 4.1 miles per Kw. Same driving style, different tyres. My sons MG4 returns nearly 5 mile per Kw on his local commute.

[@dannbersan9265]

Great job really helpful stuff!!! Congratulations Can't wait for new Model 3 range test

[@lanista78]

Honestly, I don't understand the logic behind platooning. That certainly disturbs the results, even if you claim you change the order.

[@rkhrd3211]

Great test! Really solid info, thank you.

[@user-co5sm6sd6v]

I really like these direct range tests but the costs for charging are wrong. Surely anyone with an electric car will have a cheap rate for charging at home so anywhere between 7.5p-10p /kw rather than 30p and I’ve never paid more than 35-43p/Kw to charge at Teslas superchargers. I realise others are more expensive but if you have a Tesla you’re mainly going to charge using their network.

[@craigmck7271]

Exactly drop the Tesla Supercharger prices in and the M3 RWD drops to £739 for 10000 miles.

[@alanfoulkes9383]

I do think you should included the calculation based on the cheap overnight rates that most EV drivers use. It does seem to be a regular oversight on your EV reviews. Otherwise a useful informative video.

[@tomooo2637]

See my post : £163 for 10,000 miles on the large purple -8 legged sea animal tariff. of course I pay slightly more during day, but I have solar - so not really relevant.

[@Markcain268]

@@tomooo2637 solar not much use in winter, the new solar panels on my mates boat struggle to put any worthwhile power into the batteries in winter, luckily he can charge them with his engine or use his generator.

[@matbowden9156]

It was all going so well, and boom! Anything after @7:20 is pointless.

[@Steve-Cross]

I would’ve liked to seen the Nissan Ariya in this lineup. It seems to have an excellent range and is certainly a lot more practical and cheaper, than the ID buzz. Especially for the rear passengers, that don’t get Aircon or opening windows. That would be fun for them in this hot weather. 🙂

[@peakproofuk]

For my use the Buzz would be way more practical. I’m not sure there’s anything more practical than a van.

[@Lucas-vd2gx]

Or the Chevy Bolt too

[@Steve-Cross]

@@peakproofuk except a proper van LOL

[@bobuk5722]

Hi What Car. This is REALLY useful. Thank you.

[@Airbag888]

I used to not care about range because my commute is like 20km a day and I can charge overnight.. But now with V2L and V2H it is starting to make more sense to me. Great table at the end. Just missing price and tyre size (big efficiency killer)

[@sebstott3573]

Great test. But if you have an EV, getting an overnight tarrif is a no brainer. If you put your washing machine, dishwasher etc. on overnight that alone makes up for the slightly higher day rates. Octopus are doing 7.5p/kwh overnight, which works out to about £200 per 10,000 miles. If you have 250+ miles range you rarely need to charge away from home. That means compared to an economical ICE car you're saving £1000-1500 per year just on fuel (plus tax & servicing), so potentially over £20k over a 150k mile lifetime of the car (plenty of Model 3s have already exceeded 200k miles without issue.) That's a pretty important point when you consider the MG4 and Model 3 RWD are comparable in price to many similar ICE cars from day one.

[@djtaylorutube]

It's really important to run the numbers because I have one of the most energy efficient Miele dishwashers that uses 0.4kWh for the entire cycle. Similarly with a washing machine on a 20 or 30 degree load, that's not much energy to raise incoming water at 10 to 15 degrees. Getting a day rate that is significantly higher can very negatively impact people who haven't worked this out. I can run my dishwasher on a solar cycle where the incoming water is from solar thermally heated and the power from solar PV, even without, the saving of 0.4kWh shifted to night time would not offset the rest of the day use. I do have a night tariff though, an old Economy 7 one and that charges a storage battery and that powers the house for the daytime. When the price cap was at its highest, the night rate was at the lowest. Now that the daytime rate has come down a bit, night has gone back up to 18p which is a bit annoying :) I am reluctant to change though because the clock is wonky and we get cheap rate up until 10am in summer (9am in winter). That's a really useful time window which means that we can do a LOT in the morning on cheap rate and that means that the battery can stretch longer as it only has to take over from those times. I worked it out the other day, it's still cheaper than me switching to Octopus Go.

[@synthmaker]

There are two very important factors that are not mentioned or are incorrect in this video: 1) With a Tesla you'd always use the Tesla Superchargers at between 25p/kWh and 49p/kWh depending on location and peak/off-peak, not the 69p/kWh mentioned in the video. 2) I have dual tariff electricity with off-peak at 7.5p/kWh with Octopus Energy, changing to dual tariff has no effect on day/peak rate, I think this is since they changed the tariff a couple of months ago. Basically, nothing to lose and you can then charge overnight at 2p/mile or £200/10000miles, not the over £600 shown in the video.

[@keithdenton8386]

What your not factoring in is that Tesla superchargers are half the cost of others. So your figures are wrong for Tesla. It cost me £186 pounds to travel to France and and touring, around 2500 miles. Using non Tesla chargers it would have cost £370 and in my Diesel car it would have been £562.

[@TundeEszlari]

Perfect content, keep it up.

[@davelocktalk]

My hyundai kona got 6.5 miles per klw this summer no air conditioning just left window open slightly, little bit colder now end of September and I am still getting 5 miles per klw.

[@mmistermusic]

To make it more realistic, it should be combined with charging speed. It would be interesting to simulate a 1000km distance that includes time for charging.

[@pepstein]

That’s exactly what Bjørn Nyland does in his 1000km challenge videos!

[@sie4431]

I don't think temperature effects charging speeds

[@pepstein]

@@sie4431 temperature can affect charging speed. Many EVs charge slower when the battery is cold, and not all are able to preheat the battery on the way to the charger. A few EVs also struggle with battery overheating, leading to slow charging on the last several charging stops. Bjørn discusses these issues in his videos.

[@elbarkero]

Should have included one of the Stelantis 50kwh battery cars as well.. they aren't too bad and are quite popular

[@nikc1313]

My little e208 can eek out over 5 miles per KW in summer and my overnight tariff rate of 9.5p per KW means essentially pocket money motoring. Seeing petrol prices back up over 1.50 a litre now can't help but feel a little smug.

[@Markcain268]

Yeah it's the folk who need a car but can't afford an ev that I feel sorry for, I can't afford an ev but don't need a car so it doesn't bother me, I'm quite happy with my ebike or use the bus if the weather is bad

[@robertmandl9326]

Fascinating. Thanks for this detailed test.

[@yorky0417]

What’s the efficiency shown on the cockpit? The i3 should reach more than 4.8mile/kwh in my experience.

[@michaelkoutras5678]

The title read hot weather and the temperature was 23-27 degrees:)

[@CalvinYeap]

Great content, thank you!

[@insanityideas]

The Tesla public charging costs should probably be updated. Although Gridserve do charge 69p a kWh Tesla's own charging network only charges 34p off peak and 44p peak. So a Tesla driver is almost certainly going to use that network because it's half the price, a bigger network and easier to use with automatic plug and charge. The home charging costs are also too high. No EV owner is going to be on a standard tariff, they will be on some form of variable rate tariff... doing so would more than half their electric bill so no way is lazyness going to stop someone switching. Using these lower more realistic prices will significantly change payback period calculations on electric cars. Well done for showing that a less efficient EV costs more... most reviews fixate on range and never cover efficiency... in everyday use nobody uses the whole battery, but they always care about efficiency.

[@FFVoyager]

Next time you do this, try adding the original Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh. I think you would find it would have been more efficient than the Model 3!

[@i.p2088]

Did you have the Air conditioning on like in the summer in Italy?

[@sparkplug964]

Nice comparison was really surprised with the new Abarth 500e, Tesla 3 RWD seem to be the sweet spot, and the MG4 is still great for the money

[@Svarg89]

What were you expecting from it? Abarth was never about efficiency and economy. Original new Fiat 500e should have slightly better results.

[@Piezochem]

The importance of efficiency became apparent when I switched from a Peugeot e2008 to a Tesla Model Y RWD. Only 7.5kWh difference in battery size but the Tesla is cheaper to run as it needs charging less. Obviously Tesla supercharger pricing helps, but I’m talking home charging working out cheaper. Shame the insurance on Tesla is so damned high!

[@mattkeeber941]

Agree fully, just moved to a M3 RWD from a e2008 myself. While I could always battery whisper and get 4.2 / 4.4 on a good day in the e2008, the M3 sits around 4.7 / 5 without even trying regardless of ambient conditions. Ridiculously efficient thus ridiculously cheap to run.

[@Piezochem]

Yeah, I’m always surprised that my MY does well efficiency wise given that compared to the e2008 it’s bigger and heavier. Managed an 1:15 journey at 5mi/kWh (201Wh/mi) today: warm cabin; heated seats on a route that included dual carriageway and country roads. It was a bit “Sunday drive-ish” but not consciously trying to be efficient. I appreciate it’s all the magic of good drag coefficient and thermal management of battery and passengers using a heat pump, but it will be so much better when other manufacturers are offering equally great efficiency - cheap to run and hopefully the choice of something cheaper to insure.

[@davesound7188]

As others have commented, who charges their EV at 30p/kWh?? Certainly not me. 7.5p overnight with Intelligent Octopus.

[@mielo4515]

In China, if I charge my EV at home, the electricity price is 0.35 RMB/kwh, which is 0.04 GBP/kwh 😅

[@Gdank72]

It's odd that we never did summer and winter tests with combustion vehicles. In fact I don't recall ever seeing range tests with them either. My 3 year experience with an EV in the UK is that 99% we don't need range and only charge at home. I probably use less than 10 rapid chargers a year. Even our new MG4 SE (base entry model with smallest battery) has a range greater than our bladders and charges fast enough I don't need to wait it 8 out 10 times, and when I do need to wait, it's 10mins.

[@user-ol6rd7pl5t]

I'm 59 & have been driving since I was 16 (modped), not once whenever I've bought any vehicle I've owned have I ever asked how many miles it does to the gallon, I've always bought the car within budget at the time which I best liked the look of knowing perfectly well that when it gets low on whatever fuel it used it was time to fill it up with how ever much money I had in my pocket at the time & that sooner or later I would have to put more fuel in it, I can't understand why all of a sudden when EVs come along everyone has an obsession with range.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@user-ol6rd7pl5t Because you can't just recharge at the side of the road, unlike an ICE car. People should buy a car that suits their travel habits, but still who would rather charge more often than less? Given the wildly varying promised ranges vs the actual range, most probably want some overhead.

[@angrymuffinsb]

“Wouldn’t be safe to deliberately run out on the road”… dig at carwow

[@tesla-spectre]

"The best of any non-Tesla car" says it all 🎉

[@Bitmappy]

Where's the Renault Megane e tech? Would have been nice to see the comparison after using it on the winter test.

[@dh10178]

I've had the facelifted polestar 2 82kwh for a few weeks now. 300 mile round trip without charging. It was touch and go though!

[@stephenclay6852]

A good review, I do agree to a point about efficiency but that can only be compared with a similar size car. An ID BUZZ for example is never going to be as efficient as a MG 4 but you can’t carry 6 people and there luggage in an MG. Also if you had the AC on in the cars those with heat pumps would be slightly more efficient. But then you have to way up the cost of the heat pump and how often you need it on if it’s not a standard fit. I had to make that choice when ordering my Kia EV6. and chose not to spec it at a cost of £1,000 my thought process was as I charge 95% from home and do about 6 to 7,000 miles a year it wasn’t worth it for me. How you drive and what drive mode you select has a bearing on it. Your not going to buy a a Kia EV6 GT and drive it all the time in eco mode. So as you can see it’s not just a simple case of buying the most efficient car.

[@adriancarey7848]

Good point. MG doesn't even come with a heat pump.

[@anemeth9281]

You can't carry 6 people in the short ID Buzz either...

[@DriverGuy23]

What I want to know is what, exactly, we’re the estimated ranges listed on the computers prior to starting the test and how many miles did each vehicle actually get compared to the estimate. I hear EVs aren’t getting close to the estimated miles that they read prior to trips.

[@paulmcnamara2908]

Worked out (roughly) that my 2012 Ford Focus 1.6tdci with 170k on the clock is costing me £1900 per 10k in fuel at current diesel prices! So not seeing a great need to switch at the moment!

[@PiefacePete46]

In defence of the BMW i3: * It was one of the first EV's to market, with a specific target buyer; the trendy "Shopping Basket" sector, with no intention of motorway use. It was passionately loved by many owners. * If you needed more range, there was the REx (Range Extender) version with its 647cc engine charging the battery, rather than driving the wheels. I guess that still makes it a hybrid. In some respects, a Nissan Leaf would have been a more valid car to use an early EV for comparison. Always interesting, many thanks.

[@riaz8783]

Its a shame WLTP is so inaccurate. Same goes for combustion cars where to get the MPG listed in the brochure you need to drive like the Pope.

[@Super-car-racer]

Should of used the model 3 performance considering that the Mercedes eqe is much more expensive anyway. Model 3 performace would of beaten the merc by a mile and yet still be a hell of a lot cheaper!

[@Cheepchipsable]

When you guy a luxury brand you are paying extra for features other than the functionality. I'm not surprised most of the luxury brands have worse efficiency as they are probably heavier cars.

[@Rubo321]

WLTP over exaggerates the range. In the USA the tesla model 3 is 272 EPA range. So it came very very close to its original factory range. 262 miles was very impressive.

[@mikejoseph425]

I am sure I am not the first to say, but where do you get 30p kW for home charging. Octopus off peak rate is 7.5p, a quarter of your stated home charge and except for very rare occasions why would you charge on peak. I have done 33,000 miles over 4 years and have NEVER charged on peak at home

[@granfersteve3815]

No changes from the motoring companies with as always pie in the sky WLTP figures for ranges. Good to get much more accurate figures from What Car though thanks guys. It would be good to see more actual on road journeys though that involve using the still very patchy public charging network that Government seem to have washed their hands of.

[@bobuk5722]

Hi, it's the same as with claimed mog figures for internal combustion engines. There are so many variables that a standardised test is needed. That means it is not 'real world' and won't tell you how far you will get with your style of driving in the conditions and on the roads you drive on. What it does do is enable you to compare one vehicle with another. Driving a car with a good WLTP will get you more range than one with a bad WLTP. What that range actually is depends very much on you, just as it does for internal combustion vehicles.

[@sailingoctopus1]

​@@bobuk5722Exactly this. People pan the WLTP figures without understanding what they are for.

[@semihipek846]

You are wrong about the usable battery size for ioniq 6 and Genesis gv60. They have 74kw/h usable battery size. This makes them more efficient than they appear.

[@malcolmhedges7346]

Not quite sure why anyone would charge a Tesla at a more expensive fast charging network than Tesla own, but there you go

[@hugolutsch2687]

Thank You

[@Yuehanlad]

Interesting test, but a little shy of real world performance. In rush hour traffic, there would be much more stopping, plus your test track does not take into account the many hills in the UK.

[@michaelgoode9555]

Why not do a third column with fhe mostbcompetitive overnight rate? Also, plenty of public charging is cheaper than the higher rate you quote. For instance, I can charge on BP Pulse in Rugby town centre for 30 pence per unit.

[@davidcolin6519]

This just demonstrates how simply bizarre the UK's energy prices are. Here in Spain, even if I charge at peak energy prices, I'm paying way less than £0.30/KWh, and in France the cost of electricity is as low as €0,02 (£0.0172). Blame Brexit, blame the Tories, but whichever way you cslice it, the UK is paying way more than any EU country except Germany. The other thing that I find of interest is that nobody seems to be able to test the MG4 extended range. Assuming the same efficiency (and I absolutely would agree that that it would be stretching credulity a bit) that would probably have left the MG4 in 3rd place for range, behind the MB and the Tesla 3 LR. When you consider that it would still be the 2nd cheapest of the cars tested, and still significantly cheaper than anything else here except the dated Zoe, that really is a significant achievement. And it must be even more galling for Britons when you realise that I'd be paying just €32K for the extended range. TBF, the only reason why the extended range MG4 is my preferred choice is because it is offered with the light grey trim option (which isn't available in the UK, IIRC) Otherwise, my name would be down on the standard range, because of its LFP battery.

[@russwilliamson968]

WE always pay more for most things regardless who is in Number 10 ,pre Brexit or post Brexit

[@davidcolin6519]

@@russwilliamson968 You always vote for the asset stripping Tories. But to demonstrate how completely wrong you can be, when I first came to Spain (1995), Spanish energy prices were roughly comparable to UK ones.. During Blair's government the UK was actually paying less for electricity than we were in Spain (oh, and your internet access was roughly similar, both price and speed). It really took the Tories to completely f**k things up. I mean, seriously. Since 2010 the UK has fallen behind on almost every possible metric. FFS, my mother lives only 80km from London, in one of the geograophically easiest countries to install the internet, and she has only just got fibreoptic. my sister is closer to Norwich than that and she her coverage is virtually nil. I'm in the f*ing PYRENEES, mountains all around and we've had fibreoptic for nearly a DECADE. But we were talking about electricity. The TORIES have allowed the energy companies to price gouge the entire country, and the entire country really has suffered. Just look at the profits UK energy producers have made since Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Syop feeling sorry for yourself and hold tha b*stards accountable, throw the lot of them out and NEVER vote for a f***ing TORY.

[@jimgeelan5949]

But the buzz still looks the best 😊

[@marcsroberts]

This has just popped up in my feed. I have a Model 3 RWD and Octopus Energy Intelligent Octopus which provides 6 hours of electricity per day at 7.5p/kWh. My slightly heavy footed average miles per kWh over the last 4 years of ownership is about 4, so it works out at about 1.8p per mile or *£180 per 10,000 miles*. Most of my other electricity intensive appliances like dish washer and washing machine can be run during those same 6 hours which gives an additional saving that more than compensates the daytime rate of 30.6p/kWh used for food cooking etc. (Home heating is still gas for me) Overall even with the reduced milage now that I mostly work from home, my real world savings over my previous petrol car are around £1,000 a year. My pre-covid mileage would have been a saving of around £3,000-£4,000 per year. Additionally the currently (but subject to change) zero VED has saved an additional £640 over the same 4 years, and there's been zero/negligible servicing (screen wash, cabin air filter, etc.) as there's not much to service. Yes, the initial outlay is high for a new EV, but the used EV market is getting much better. Two friends of mine have recently purchased second hand Model 3s for very good prices, and once you factor in the yearly savings in fuel and servicing I think it's becoming a lot more of a realistic proposition. Perhaps not for long though, the government will figure out how to make us pay eventually.

[@ericvet8b]

Failed to mention the several model changes on the i3…

[@paulcope9819]

Not sure EV's have advanced that much in the last 4 years. My 4 year old Hyundai Kona electric still has a real world range of over 300 miles and matches the Tesla for miles/KWh.

[@RickyG84]

Totally agree 👍🏻 I’ve a 2020 Ioniq and often see way better efficiency than every car in this test! Last weekend I did a uni drop off - 3 people in the car, boot and back seat literally stuffed to the roof with boxes and bags, mostly A roads & dual carriageways (so 60 - 70mph) and even running the AC etc we still averaged 5.2 miles per KWH over the 170 mile trip. Crazy how our older models are capable of this yet most of the latest models aren’t.

[@benjaminschneider]

And where is the cold weather test to compare to like more or less advertised in the title?!

[@manugrend]

Please oh please, when putting the stats, spend an extra 5 minutes to add the info also in the metric system. Txs!

[@MrRocktuga]

I’d say that these are still optimistic results, since any “combined cycle” consumption only tells half the story (at best). 😉 Many will still remember when fuel consumption for cars was presented on 3 conditions: - 90 km/h , 120 km/h and City consumption. While that way of measuring consumption had its flaws, it was still easier to translate them into real world conditions. That’s not the case with the following methods of consumption homologation, since even this test makes nothing to clarify what’s the real consumption at several highway speeds (bearing in mind that some European countries legally allow 130 km/h and above, and others 120 Km/h with a real-world tolerance until 129 (at minimum). Another problem with testing cars on closed circuits like this one is how flat it is. While some countries do have large extensions of flat roads, others have steep hills (even on highways). That further impacts EV range, since the highway speed on uphills will have an even greater impact on range, and there’s usually not a great deal of regeneration while going downhill at higher speeds. 😉 Even at favorable ambient temperatures, EVs are still more “at home” with city driving, and assuming that the owner charges the car at home (it has to be a pain being forced to always charge on the road, and much more expensive). Governments all around the world have been pushing for this half baked solution, but this is still a technology in early development. The range problem is often worse when the charging infrastructure isn’t quite where it needs to be. It’s not great if you’re forced to stay 30 or 45 minutes recharging your car on a trip, but it’s a lot worse if you’re the 3rd car in queue at the charging station. In that scenario, it’s a matter of time multiplication. Even the cost-effective argument needs some detailed analysis, since most EVs have huge depreciation, and that isn’t expected to change anytime soon. If one saves a significant amount of money by charging at home (whenever possible), the depreciation value an easily offset those savings.

[@norwegianzound]

The ratio for extra cost of public charge is 75% loading

[@driv3rde883]

We want to see more of this kind of tests. Great insights and many valid points!

[@daveamies5031]

24°C - 27°C so this was the winter test? certainly not a hot day, you said you'd do the height of summer, so I'm expecting temps over 40°C like on a normal summers day.

[@Lewis_Standing]

sorry but my overnight Ev tariff isnt any more expensive than the price cap during the day...

[@i12f72]

I wonder how would these cars perform in the middle east Cuz in the summer the temperature reach 51° Celsius degrees

[@666JGNotts]

I think it would make a very interesting video if you took one of these cars and then tested it at a constant 50mph to see the range and then do the same at 60mph and then at 70mph. It would give people a good idea of how much those extra 10 and 20 mph reduce the range by

[@molepatrol7529]

That’s the sort of data that Teslabjorn does on his KZbin channel. Very useful s he does the same in winter and summer too.

[@tonymaloan]

Easily demonstrated, if they had glanced at the miles/kwh dial at each of the speeds they were steadily driving at at ? I would have been interested too. I also know of a Kia EV6 getting as low as 1.7 m/kwh in February pulling small caravan @ 60mph on motorway.

[@paultasker7788]

It's like megapixels for cameras

[@HairyCheese]

First thing is it's good for these tests. But who's paying 30p per kW at home for their EV charging? Everyone I know including myself is paying 7.5p. That's a quarter of the price shown. Although these are good tests, but most peeps need to see a summer and winter 80% to 20% test at 30mph only, 50mph only and 70mph (ahem) only to get a true idea of their charging protocols. Some used EVs will have a far higher/lower battery degradation on their charging cycles. Those old Zoe's had AC only between 7kw and 22kw charging. DC is the pain point if it's the only regular charging cycle and the BMS is too ambitious.

[@MimMusMet]

Where is Megane and Kona.. BMW i3 is discontinued.

[@thalesofmiletus2966]

I recently travelled from my home to NW of Scotland, a round trip of 440 miles. Cost me £61 in charging fees in the Highlands. Using public charging in Fife where I live it would have been £14. A blatant rip off. EV’s may be good for local journeys but further afield not so much.

[@mgnet]

Wltp is alteady 33% optimistic, and most users will use their EV from 80 to 20% charge only so you can cut theorical range by half in a daily use.

[@johnbehneman1546]

THANK YOU SO MUCH. PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON ALL EVS.

[@mikegipson1224]

Tesla Charging network charges far less... Sometimes less than 40p/kWh...

[@michaeldawson6309]

Why did you not test the BMW i3 most people will buy the 38Kwh usable capacity with a real world range of 160 miles ? No one in their right mind would buy an i3 other than the 42Kwh 2019 on ! I have the 2019 and its very efficient and I regularly get way over 160 miles from a smaller battery so very efficient.

[@ukvamp]

Need more 70mph testing as that really kills the battery

[@PiefacePete46]

EV ownership can be vastly different from one location to another: * I live in New Zealand; 85% of our electricity is from "clean" sources. i.e. Hydro, Solar, Wind. * I have used a public charger four times in nine months of EV ownership in New Zealand; total cost NZD 43.00 (UKL 20.60) * The charger nearest to home is NZD 0.40/kWh (UKL 0.19) * Other suppliers and locations can range up to NZD 0.85/kWh (UKL 0.41) * My home electricity rate is NZD 0.23/kWh (UKL 0.11) * My home energy contract includes free electricity to the whole property from 9pm until midnight. This gives up free fuel for all our motoring except round trips over over 320km. The New Zealand government is introducing "Road User Charges" in a few weeks. You buy as many kilometres as you need in blocks of 1000km and display the receipt in your windshield. This has been in action for diesel vehicles for many years... it had to happen, but I shouldn't moan, should I! 😜

[@petergallon22]

Why were no Kia models included in the test

[@0HOON0]

Battery and powertrain are similar to the Hyundai and Genesis.

[@whocares264]

would like to see the New Peugeot E-3008 (2024) in this test...

[@shaywhelan1]

Excellent analysis. This is where whatcar excels. I might suggest adding the prices though

[@richardjohnson5529]

i own a fiat 500e and it comes a lot short of its official range of 199 miles it only manages 150 miles approx, but it is a well made car and at the moment it suits me, but i would consider changing to the new fiat 600e or the VW id2/ id3 in 2025

[@ralpharmsby8040]

I own a 2 year old e Niro and it achieves the 283 mile stated range quite easily with non motorway driving. ATM fully charged shows over 300.

[@jono.pom-downunder]

Here in Aus MG have an appalling reliability record people are trading them in in around 12 months and a month or being spent in the workshop for warranty work fantastic value but if you need a car don't do it

[@markrozee]

I pay 9p per kwh. So it costs me 2p per mile in my Zoe. Amazing. I love it.

[@tomedward8652]

I thought Tesla charge stations were cheaper for Tesla owners than generic charge stations?

[@user-zn8ew8dj2n]

So what effects EV's more, Cold Climate or Warm Climate, I Live in Australia Very Hot, 40 to 45 Degrees Cels, Or Cold which you get in uk.