10 Sequels That Totally Ruined The Previous Movie's Ending

[@TCHorwood-xq7mw]

Highlander: There can be only one. Highlander II: There should have been only one.

[@ownnquillen1607]

Saw this piece of garbage in the theater. Worse yet, also saw Highlander 3.

[@dearthditch]

Yeah. I saw all 3… or was there 4? Suddenly turning them into space aliens in 2 was beyond bizarre

[@trinaq]

After the emotional scene of Jacob having his memories wiped for his own protection in "Fantastic Beasts", he's able to remember everything magical by the sequel, undoing the powerful ending. Not to mention that Queenie straight up drugs him.

[@zenverak]

There were some really good moments in that series.But yeah.

[@josephoswald2292]

Austin Powers should not be mentioned here. I NEVER look for plot points (or a plot at all) in screwball comedies.

[@ChaoticHoly]

Agreed. Should have been swapped-out with Alien3 or The Farce Awakens.

[@user-sz3ok7df4r]

Especially since the movie itself wasn't taking anything seriously. "We knew all along, sadly" got a laugh out of me.

[@extraplain2412]

Austin Powers is one of the rare trilogies that gets better and funnier as it goes. Comedy gold and now I know my plan for the day.

[@darkangel_1978]

Out of the 3, Goldmember is still my favorite. I wasn't big on the first one, but the other two made me laugh.

[@bud11207]

Friday the 13th 6 should not be on this list

[@GroundhogJay]

Vanessa being a Fembot didn't ruin the original film's ending, it made it's parody of James Bond even more hilarious.

[@AsiaDanceScene]

Machine gun jubblies, how did I miss that? It's called foreplay Austin ...is probably the best joke of the series.

[@quesoblanco444]

How does it parody Bond, when that scene has no elements from Bond? Fembots are from The Six Million Dollar Man anyhows.

[@albertjewell1963]

WTF is a "fembot" anyway? Are all robots "male"?

[@robirvine6970]

Because of the cliche of Bond getting the girl at the end if the film who then dies or completely disappears by the next film you dumb fuxk

[@kraigowaffles2110]

Friday the 13th part 6 is the best of the Friday sequels. He comes back like Frankenstein, flips an RV, twists a woman's head off, folds a cop in half backwards and horror legend Thom Matthews is superb as Tommy Jarvis. Plus you get a Ron "Horseshack" Pollilo (R.I.P.) , and Tony Goldwyn cameos at the beginning. What's not to love?

[@multitudeofidols]

It's the best because not only is the best looking of the series, but it's injected with a lot of good humour. Plus, it has the back music of any other film in the series.

[@endrankluvsda4loko172]

This was the first one I saw as a youngin, and yes it is most definitely the best one of all

[@markbraverman9622]

I agree

[@Shorty_Lickens]

Halloween and Friday the 13th are wonderful examples of solid horror movies that should have been solo. Sequels only ruined everything.

[@aarondeck7934]

​@@Shorty_Lickens sorry, homie. You are 100% wrong. Friday the 13th only got better the longer it went on (yes, Jason Takes Manhattan is a great, campy romp. Deal with it).

[@erikthompson619]

I don't know if I should be relieved or insulted that you left out the one that keeps coming up and I had totally expected to be #1 on the list - that is, "Alien 3".

[@Fibonacci64]

It was logical and great.

[@M32Mirach]

Nah, awesome movie mate

[@davidosborne4064]

I agree with the poster. To those who disagree, I get that the performers who played Newt and Hicks weren't available, but their deaths made the prior movie pointless. They should have give with the Dark Horse comic as a sequel.

[@pohjanakka4992]

@@davidosborne4064 They could even have made a sequel well enough without them. Keep them in their hibernation pods the whole movie while Ripley is trying to keep those pods safe, or is trying to recover them from the crashed shuttle, and the movie ends when they are hauled out and she gets told that the occupants seem to be fine. Or simply make the sequel happen enough years later that Newt is now an adult, and make her the main character. Or keep Ripley as the main character, if they absolutely wanted her and the actress would only agree to the role if she got killed in the end, make her look older with make-up, and have her do something like look at a photo of the adult Newt with older Hicks from time to time while giving some vague story of how happy she is that they are safe somewhere else while she got into this mess again. Or how Hicks died of natural causes after they spend years living as a family, and Newt is now married and somewhere safe. Or something. There was no real need to negate the ending of Aliens by killing those characters off pretty much right away after that movie.

[@skz5k2]

Are you complaining that you lost a happy ending in Alien franchise? That they killed the poor Newt and Hicks? Alien is not a family movie! The others continuously are dying? Perfect!

[@MaxWeb2599]

That's the reason why I only believe that there are 2 Terminator Movies.

[@bc14973]

I think that belief is common.

[@rorylynch7775]

The best sequel to terminator 2 is the Sarah Connor TV show

[@shaneedwards596]

@@rorylynch7775 however the TV show actually worked well with T3

[@kierenmoore3236]

I quite like Salvation 🤷🏻‍♂️ … mostly …

[@hunterolaughlin]

Unless you count The Mitchells vs the Machines as the true third Terminator film.

[@beatrixdobson4795]

Disagree with Terminator 3 being on this list simply because Terminator: Dark Fate exists. IF that is supposed to be a direct sequel to T2, then having John Connor killed off shortly after preventing Judgement Day totally undermines the entire point of T2.

[@dallstownfairs9838]

Does it? John Connor is important because he leads the resistance against Skynet. If Skynet is prevented from ever existing, why is John Important?

[@beatrixdobson4795]

@@dallstownfairs9838 Did you watch any of the films?

[@shaneedwards596]

T3 yeah was bad, Dark Fate was much worse, but technically without Skynet you wouldn't have had Connor, as Connor is a paradox, created by an iteration of Skynet... and in another timeline, was created to oppose Skynet.... but without Connor, Skynet is not kept in check and becomes something completely different and far worse...

[@jeremyblackmouth3323]

​@dallstownfairs9838 the paradox that comes from John being killed which was established in the first Terminator movie. Skynet tried to stop John from being born but created the situation that led to him being born

[@shaneedwards596]

@@dallstownfairs9838 the Skynet that created the paradox that allowed Connor to be born, was preventing its own annihilation, by killing off Connor, Skynet ceased to exist in the sense that it is Skynet, it became Legion in the new timeline.... Connor is the grounding wire that keeps the Skynet timeline focused on being itself... without him, Legion was allowed to rise uncontested pretty much, he warned humanity with his mother, and while humanity never listened they were aware and once the bombs fell... they started taking notice of him and therefore him having fore knowledge of Skynet and what it would do, it had to send Terminators back to prevent him from messing with those plans, Sarah Connor Chronicles addresses an alternate or more original Skynet resistance, which sent Cameron back... these were acts to change history again and prevent the outcome... so while Connor was the primary target in all but T3, Skynet's plans were interfered with... and the paradox continued. which oddly enough every timeline exists, but the people who get sent back and change the timeline, creates a new one which is either favourable to humanity or Skynet.... the issue arises when it's too favourable to Skynet and Skynet ceases to be Skynet.. hence why Connor was important

[@mikeburkhart8336]

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull ruined the perfect ending of Last Crusade just by existing.

[@ilfirinms]

Still, Indy got some happy ending, reuniting with his family, and then, real shit happened.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Ruined even further by Dial of Density... er... Destiny. Crystal Skull looked good by comparison.

[@Shorty_Lickens]

And somehow, it gets even worse......

[@arlem525]

HOW is Alien 3 not number 1 on this list? Oh wait.... it's not on the list at all....

[@LadyLeomon]

Yeah, Alien 3 was pretty bad but then Resurrection came along and said “hold my drink” (but I could at least enjoy it as a time-killer because of Ron Perlman)

[@fractalfae5418]

@@LadyLeomon Ron Perlman is great! He adds watchability to everything he's in. (Resurrection actually had a pretty decent cast. They deserved a much better movie.)

[@LadyLeomon]

@@fractalfae5418 always nice to meet another Perlman fan! I saw him first in Hellboy/Hellboy II before I saw him in Alien Resurrection and I can’t help thinking whenever I see him more often than not his characters are near identical (gruff badass with a heart) but then I realise he’s just being himself 🥰🥰🥰

[@hiccup1975]

​@fractalfae5418 Alien 3 had a pretty good cast too.regardless of the actual film

[@MGmirkin]

@@LadyLeomon Yeah, but Alien^3 was the one that really "pissed on" the legacy of the prior movie. Aliens was a perfect movie, IMO one of the best movies ever put to celluloid. Certainly one of, if not the best sci-fi/horror movies. Perfect casting, acting, plot, character arcs, and a basically "happy ending," as much as you get in a sci-fi horror movie... Alien^3 pissed all over than and flipped a middle finger to fans of Aliens. "Nope, sorry, nobody survived. Happy ending? Pfft! This is a 'dystopian' universe, there are no happy endings... Hicks? Dead. Newt? Dead. Bishop? Dead. [Rubbish heap.] Ripley? Yeah, by the end of the movie she'll be dead, too. So will the franchise. Burn it all down." [Rick & Morty: "Peace among worlds, b!tches!!" **Middle fingers all around...** ]

[@hiddentruth1982]

sequels aren't hard to get right. Just don't forsake the original movie and don't go off the rails in an extreme way.

[@unholyperiodza5442]

You forgot Emperor Palpatine survives in Rise of Skywalker

[@andrewextravaganza8796]

I think you mean "somehow Palpatine returned"

[@JMcMillen]

The whole clone Palpatine idea existed way back in the early 90's in the Legacy (Expanded) universe. It wasn't an original idea.

[@skz5k2]

And remember the rule: "If you don't see the dead body, they are not dead"

[@danielmiller3596]

@@JMcMillenand let's be honest- Dark Horse had WAAAAAYYYY more respect for the property/ Lucasfilm and handled it far better- rather than just 'kinda stealing the visuals' and making the story nearly incoherent like JarJar Abrams and the others in the sequels.

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@danielmiller3596 No they didn't. You just wanted to shit on the sequels and never intended to like them.

[@gregbasore2108]

Weird to vount Austin Powers 3, since it's a blatant mockery of the disposable love interest trope.

[@Hilz28]

Weird not to check easy grammatical errors, also.

[@smellygoat]

it's Austin Powers 2, 3 is Goldmember not the Spy Who Shagged me.

[@glennbabic5954]

Did I miss Alien3 in that list? Completely undoing the rewarding ending of Aliens?

[@fr1day2]

Was totally expecting Alien3 to be on this list.

[@guntotingmonk]

Hopefully that will be on "10 More Sequels That Totally Ruined The Previous Movie's Ending." There's certainly a lot of them, and WhatCulture loves a good sequel list themselves. 😁

[@klchu]

Came here for this comment

[@fractalfae5418]

Aliens 3 was the first movie I thought of when I saw the title. It effectively trashed Ripley's character arc through prior movie and callously discarded two very good characters in the process. I know some people like Aliens 3 but those offscreen character deletions made it unwatchable for me and I prefer to believe that the franchise consists of just Alien and Aliens.

[@gfg758]

Let's not forget it totally doesn't even make sense at all because it was never showed or explained how an egg was on the ship

[@thannaske5371]

Jason was NOT killed by Tommy Jarvis "impaling him, with a fence post!" Tommy bisected his head with a machete, which he then fell onto, sliding all the way down the blade! GET IT STRAIGHT, WhatCulture!

[@tonyrossell832]

And they even showed a clip of Tommy hacking at him. It's like they never even watched the movies.

[@pohjanakka4992]

The whole Disney sequel trilogy to the original Star Wars trilogy should be included here. What happened in that made almost everything Luke, Leia, and Han achieved in the OT mostly meaningless.

[@majorgear1021]

True. Those movies should all be burned to ashes and forgotten

[@dhenderson1810]

The fans should have never asked for them back. Then they could have their happy endings and focus be put on new characters (Rey, Finn, Poe) a d create a new story. But fans don't want new characters that they are unfamiliar with. They wanted Han, Luke and Leia. It was catering to fan service which was Disney's mistake. They should have just done a complete reboot, but whiny gatekeeping SW fans would have hated that even more. Fact is, the SW fanbase were never going to like the sequels, no matter what, because they love complaining.

[@pohjanakka4992]

@@dhenderson1810 Right, the good old "if the customer doesn't like what the company is selling and stops buying then the customer is stupid, not the company" argument. May apply for some things, but not really for entertainment. It's not entertainment when the customer is not entertained. Entertainment is something we choose to buy instead of something else because we want to have some fun and relax, maybe forget the real world for a moment. It's never something we HAVE to buy, so sure as hell I have the right to complain if I don't get what I either wanted or expected to get after using good money for it. And stop buying after that experience, which is what I did. I know the plots of the two other movies after TFA only because I read them from Wikipedia, and decided I am not interested in seeing them. And I could not get much interested in that first movie either, so had no enthusiasm to see what came after. It was effing boring. Not just bad Star Wars, simply mostly a bad movie. Looks like a lot of other people had the same reaction. It seems to be officially admitted now that Disney still hasn't been able to even cover what they paid for the franchise, much less profit from it. Fortunately for me there is now lot of the types of stories I want for my entertainment are at least again published as books. Thank heavens for indie, as most of the established old publishers now also mostly do not sell anything I actually want to read. With the advancing computer programs for making movies and serials, with good special effects that no longer will need a fortune to achieve, maybe those will get their indie revival at some point too, although that is still probably at least a few years into the future before it can really start to take off. With indie books you need to do more digging and experimenting than with the old system because a lot more gets out, and more of it is crap since the first filter, an established publisher's experienced editors is lacking (current editors in the old publishing houses do seem to be more interested, the same way as seems to have happened with movie studios, in other things that what their potential customers actually want, aka selling, or they are simply almost completely out of touch with those customer bases), but word of mouth works, some of the cream does get on top and what becomes popular is easier to find.

[@tranz2deep]

_Whenever someone asks, "Why don't/didn't they--" the answer is almost always "Money."_ - Robert Anson Heinlein

[@kaseyboles30]

Ahh, the notebooks of Lazarus Long. I have two copies, one mine and one inherited when my brother passed away. Heinlein was called the dean of science fiction for a reason. He was one of the great three.

[@tranz2deep]

@@kaseyboles30 This is true. And never, ever forget the first one... Always store beer in a cool place.

[@getnohappy]

At this point, if you move house and don't immediately burn with sanctified petrol the porcelain doll you find in the garden, what happens later is your own fault

[@tristangoodfellow9180]

But isn't Bond being out of shape and weary a sign of how injured and disenfranchised he was with M and MI6?

[@LenGott8345]

Bond was out of shape and honestly, done. He would've left sooner had Vesper not been exposed as a double agent basically sending him on the revenge fueled rampage we saw him on in Quantum of Solace. When he got shot off that train and somehow miraculously lived, that was his 'retirement' which I think he enjoyed until the explosion forced him back into action cause he felt needed again. This is why at the end of SPECTRE, he really was done.

[@alm2187]

The thematic idea at the end of Skyfall is he was supposed to feel rejuvenated with a renewed sense of purpose. An early shot shows him next to a painting of a barley-seaworthy shipwreck. Nearer the end, he's next to a painting of a vessel that's been fully restored.

[@kylie_h1978]

The Bond timeline is an absolute mess. While Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are the first two in the timeline, Skyfall and No Time to Die clearly happen after most other Bond films. Spectre however is in part a remake of On Her Majesty's Secret Service but must also occur before Dr No, but after Skyfall? Yeah, it would make you go mad trying to actually create a sane timeline line for the movies.

[@alm2187]

@@kylie_h1978 You just mean we can imagine that Skyfall roughly fits after the 20-or-more-film timeline? Or do you have ways in mind that it acknowledges them in specific ways? 🙂

[@kylie_h1978]

@@alm2187 The Aston Martin DB5. This is the car that was in Goldfinger and Bond refers to it being one he used a long time ago. That puts Skyfall after Goldfinger by some time. The trouble is that this puts Skyfall after Dr No, but Spectre, which is after Skyfall, is before Dr No. And it gets worse. The M who is in Casino Royale through to Skyfall, is the same M who is in the Brosnan Bond Era putting those at least during the Craig Era ones before Skyfall. But then the M that replaces her for Spectre and No Time to Die is supposed to be the same M played by Bernard Lee in Dr No, and don't even get into Q... (ETA) The main issue is the Craig Era and where it fits into the rest. The issue is that by doing Casino Royale, which was chronologically the first Bond story, they were doing a soft reboot, however, they also retained many of the actors from the Brosnon period as if it was a continuation. So that's where the whole thing gets a little messy. Okay, it was a little messy before that, but it worked in most respects. Craig's era just throws it into chaos.

[@MrTheGadfly]

No "somehow Palpatine returned"?? Sort of ruined a lot of the efforts of Return of the Jedi.

[@dhenderson1810]

It was a Clone. The "Dark Horse" comics had this in the 90s. So, hardly an original idea,

[@ldcg106]

​@@dhenderson1810 And it was a stupid idea back then as it is now.

[@LadyLeomon]

That entire trilogy sucked, why are you focusing on that one plot-point? Honestly I think the Biggest Mary Sue in a Galaxy Far, Far Away claiming the name of Skywalker was a way bigger middle finger 😒😒😒

[@dhenderson1810]

@@ldcg106 So why not say that? Why do I have to bring up that it happened in comics first? Gee, you complain when they don't use source material than you complain when they do use it.

[@dhenderson1810]

@@LadyLeomon Look, just because you can't get it on with women, don't take it out on a fictional character. Rey is about as real as any chance you have of getting laid, so maybe stop deflecting.

[@GruffyddFO4]

You forgot "It was all pointless" - Alien3 kills off all the survivors, most of them before the opening credits are even done. One of the worst direct sequels of all time, and an insult to those who loved Aliens.

[@MGmirkin]

Indeed...

[@steampunkfox4932]

Then Alien Colonial Marines rectoned Alien 3 by saying actually Hicks survived

[@GruffyddFO4]

The whole thing was absolute BS too. How'd the egg get there? "Bishop put it there." Really? Where'd he get it from? He never went anywhere near where the eggs were. And how did he break his programming to harm humans? "He was ordered to." Really? By who? The only person who would/could was Burke, and he had a different plan. And he was killed/cocooned (film/deleted scene) moments after that plan failed. "The Queen carried one, and while in transit somehow got inside to plant it without breaching the hull, then got back out and into the landing gear before they arrived." Really? Why did she pick one up? When did she pick one up? She didn't have one at the elevator. How'd she get inside? And without breaching the hull? Why did she go back outside? "She laid the egg there." Really? Without the egg-laying part that got torn off? That's sillier than her carrying one. "A drone did it." Really? The flying invisible one? It wasn't in the elevator. We didn't see it on the platform. Where did it come from, how did it get in the ship, and why was it carrying an egg around? Given that the eggs affix themselves to the floor, how'd it even get one loose intact? There's simply no valid explanation (other than the obvious - bad writing) as to how the egg got there. That combined with the slap in the face of killing off every survivor, invalidating everything they did in Aliens, and completely ruining one of the most badass women in science fiction, makes the movie unforgivable.

[@jaeusa160]

Men In Black is a weird trilogy in this context. In a way MIB 2 doesn't ignore MIB 1 at all, it kind of plays with the idea that maybe "What If" isn't all it's cracked up to be and embraces that with the film's core theme of "You are who you are, even if you sometimes wonder what if things were different". And then MIB 3 came along kind of looking like ANOTHER unnecessary sequel, and then STILL managed to be emotionally gratifying and ending things nicely. I look at MIB more as an exception that proves the rule here, by some miracle managing to dodge this twice.

[@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR.]

MIB 3 is one of the best threequels ever made. The revelation of J's father was brilliant and tied together everything quite nicely.

[@nhd6128]

Idk if I've met anyone who watched MIB3 and DIDN'T love it.. really is an underrated trilogy

[@Sunprism]

biggest proof that Hollywood is out of ideas...Terminator 3 came out, and they made THREE MORE TERMINATOR MOVIES

[@fractalfae5418]

Why try and come up with anything original when it's easier to slightly shuffle the screenplay of other movies? Or better yet, don't bother with any screenplay at all and just throw some familiar images on the screen and call it a movie!

[@quesoblanco444]

@@fractalfae5418 That is how Hollywood has always operated, from day one. It ain't good, but it's nothing new. It's literally how it has always been.

[@ErickSarabia-z5c]

Honestly, Hollywood has been out of ideas from decades, maybe always. There is a long lists of books, historicals figures and more butchered in the name of the spectacle.

[@lucianwong420]

The real Terminator 3 is Terminator Resistance, a very underrated game.

[@joelellis7035]

Salvation was good. Rise of the Machines was, admittedly, a cash grab and attempt to make more movies. Genesys and Dark Fate did an Amber Heard.

[@maxxximum_productions]

Really wish you'd add chapters to your videos

[@tenimeartstudios]

Your Friday the 13th entry was factually incorrect. Jason dies after his machete through his head & Tommy hacking him up with it (that you showed). He was dead. Adult Tommy dug his corpse up to "make sure" he was dead, THEN impaled him with the fence post, and the lightning strike resurrected him, making him an unkillable zombie (as another commenter pointed out). Tell me you never saw either movie without saying you never saw either movie... 🙄

[@blind7000]

2:20 Rambo isn't going against everything in the first movie in the sequel, he is in jail and offered the chance to do something meaningful, he can go back and free soldiers like him and punish the ones that did that to them and to him and his crew. It gives him purpose to go back, the first film is all about what the soldier does when he returns with no purpose.

[@tillmen4444]

Exactly, he went back to save his brothers in arms not for his own pleasure

[@BilSande4]

The ending of "The Matrix 2" completely undermined the original "Matrix" movie. At the end Neo learns from AI Colonel Sanders that everything that happened up to that point had been by his design in order for the machines to reset the Matrix, as they have done 600 times before. So that means that everything that happened in the first movie was meaningless. All the close calls, sacrifices and daring escapes were just part of the machine's master plan. So in effect the heroes in the first movie didn't accomplish anything other than playing their parts in a set storyline with a pre-determined outcome. So in other words, Trinity didn't really escape the agents at the beginning of the movie, they let her go. The group didn't really defy all the odds and rescue Morpheus from agent Smith. The machines just let them win, and etc. Kind of ruins the first movie if you think about it.

[@les4767]

Ok, I can think of 2 films that are better choices than 2 on your list. "Alien3" completely undermined the triumphant ending of "Aliens" by killing off Hicks and Newt off camera and impregnating Ripley while she was in hibernation. "Blues Brothers 2000" destroyed the triumph of "The Blues Brothers" by having the orphanage they'd saved and went to prison for get closed anyway. James Bond getting old is a really stupid choice for this list....also, Vanessa being a fembot absolutely works for the parody world of Austin Powers.

[@jaysondoak6184]

Good call on The Blues Brothers.

[@ranwolf1240]

The thing that uosets me about Highlander is there were a number of story options that would have made more sense than "They're really aliens, y'all!". A prequel, a different immortal(kinda like the tv series I suppose), or it turned out Conner and The Kurgan weren't the last 2 immortals and the quickening at the end was bigger than normal because they were one of the last immortals, like they did in part 3 but, you know, better.

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

The tv show actually retconned 2 by saying exactly that. That he and Kurgan weren’t the last 2, they just thought they were, and the quickening was really big because kurgan was one of the oldest immortals, (well over 1,000 years old) and was the strongest one as well.

[@majinnemesis]

@@JohnDoe-zr8pc the TV series was the best thing that happened to the highlander franchise and it's the best highlander show

[@jasonworlock5113]

They aren't from another planet in the Director's Cut for Highlander II: the Quickening. They are time travelers, which isn't much better.

[@ashcan6]

I was hoping someone would bring up the weirdness of Highlander 2. If I remember right, there are at least 3 and maybe 4 versions of this mess. At some point, they realized how bad they had shat the bed, so they re-edited it to attempt some form of continuity...in fact, I am pretty sure that the alien stuff was cut from the home release VHS versions for years, and actually I think the alien version was released domestically in the States, and the other version was in theaters overseas. More recently, the producers have attempted to say that 2 is not canon, but rather a "what if" or separate time line...and the box sets contain two versions of, well, 2, just to be all inclusive or something.

[@HariSeldon913]

Still, despite the mess of the rest, Ramirez coming back in the middle of a Hamlet production was gold and I still want to pipe the airplane safety video to everone's screen on every flight I take.

[@matthewryan9323]

@@HariSeldon913And there's never a bad time to have Michael Ironside chewing the scenery as a villain either.

[@HariSeldon913]

@@matthewryan9323 Not to mention John C McGinley (as a villain. I don't think Ironside chewed him.).

[@majinnemesis]

the movie cleanly states that they are from another planet connor even tells the women is with where the planet is in the sky

[@aaronslater470]

I can remember Rambo II feeling very different back in the day. Today there is no one who could comprehend why somebody would want to go back to Vietnam. But to Vietnam veterans they felt like victory had been stolen from them by politics and many vets were not okay with how the conflict ended. Rambo II represents the feeling many vets had about Vietnam being unfinished business, or at least a desire for more definitive closure.

[@jamespope7669]

Rambo First Blood Part II went all out action movie

[@markkostka6897]

Very true. If this narrator had seen either movie throughout it seems obvious to me it was recent and had no context. Like all teenagers now going back on websites making money analyzing old films.

[@dicksonfranssen]

@aaronslater470 Assuming you know all this but others may not. I'm old enough to remember Johnson's "bomb an outhouse" comment, Khe Sanh & McNamara's Morons. It leaves a foul taste in my mouth. A better movie to watch might be Uncommon Valor. Not exactly 'payback' but Charlie Wilson's War is at least based on truth.

[@majinnemesis]

yeah he clearly didn't get the movie, the message or even Rambo's character

[@geraldmartin7703]

I was in the army 1971-74. I thought Rambo was just a cartoon.

[@davebellerive9278]

An Ewok Adventure II: Battle For Endor. Imagine spending the entire first movie helping your big brother and your teddy bear friends save your parents from a giant, only for them to all die, off-screen, in the first 30 seconds of the sequel

[@noman6041]

You forgot to mention the very important plot point, that in 'Friday the 13th A New Beginning', the sheriff says that Jason's body was cremated [with witnesses] which makes the opening sequence of part 6 even MORE stupid. And in 'Austin Powers, The Spy Who Shagged Me,' i always thought that the real Vanessa had been REPLACED by a fembot and that the REAL Vanessa was still being held captive. [Which one line of dialogue would have simply cleaned up the mess.

[@leescott8412]

I think the Sheriff actually says, " Were you there?, did you see him cremated?" Indicating that nobody really knew what happened to him.

[@Aussie_Stitch]

I loved that Vanessa turned out to be a Fembot in Austin Powers 2. With the ever changing love interest in movies and their sequels it was a funny way to get rid of the first movie's love interest and introduce a new one in a slapstick way that fit in with the tone of the movies. I only wish that Heather Graham had done a cameo in the beginning of Goldfinger to continue that joke. But then I wish that whole movie was better in general

[@alicedelgado955]

they sorta did at the end of part 2. remember there was present Austin and future Austin. she chose to be with one of them, leaving the other single

[@gils9236]

no mention of Alien 3 ? Seriously? One of the worst offenders! The damn thing killed every gain from Aliens (Someone else has probably mentioned this..)

[@geraldmartin7703]

Yes; but worth mentioning again.

[@MGmirkin]

@@geraldmartin7703 ...and again!

[@glennbabic5954]

Pterasaurs are not dinosaurs and not dino-birds, sorry to split hairs!

[@dicksonfranssen]

or a "scarier-sauras" Bloody tourists!

[@andressigalat602]

Yeah, pterosaurs are not dino-birds, birds are dino-birds.

[@BlueDog241]

What about Blues Brothers 2000? In the start of the movie they say the Orphanage they were trying to save in the first movie got shut down anyway. It pissed me off so much.

[@gringo3002]

I just thought that movie wasn't worth getting pissed off over.

[@alm2187]

The Bobs didn't want BttF II to feature Jennifer as an adventuress with Doc & Marty. Hence she's rendered unconscious twice and taken home twice. Along with Highlander 2, MiB2, and Austin Powers 2, there's one more for another list: sequels that wrote out the wife or girlfriend.

[@matthewryan9323]

It's Older Than TV - Arthur Conan Doyle has Dr. Watson get married early on, then in an (admittedly much later) story - I think when he 'resurrected' Holmes after the Reichenbach Falls, he just sort of peremptorily notes that Watson's wife had passed away and so he's moved back in with Holmes again.

[@alm2187]

Good case study, as it were,@@matthewryan9323 . The Holmes canon is a complicated chronology, though. Some latter stories are still set before he met the wife, some required a narrative excuse for Watson to be free to join Holmes. Novel 1: Holmes & Watson set up shop at Baker Street. Novel 2: ends with Watson engaged to Mary Morstan. (So not that late reckoning by publication date.) Two stories are Holmes telling Watson about notable cases from before they met, one of which being his first. At least one is set between novels 1 and 2. Some have Watson judging that he's got no crucial responsibilities, then checking with his wife before accepting Holmes's invitation to go on a case. And there are some indications that Watson the widower gets remarried later! 😲 Lastly, some stories obfuscate to the max just when they're supposedly taking place. So, in the ones where Watson joins in when married life allows, there may be room for doubt about which wife he's on.

[@alm2187]

The comment where I answered this must have gotten lost,@@matthewryan9323 You touched on an interesting and complicated topic. Watson first became involved with Mary Morstan in the second novel. Chronologically, two and maybe three stories are set before that. Right after would be their marriage. Some stories then have him rejoin Holmes on casework when no domestic obligations press. Then, after the passing-on that you mention, there are signs that he's with an unnamed second wife. Lastly, there are some stories with no indication at all of when in the timeline they take place.

[@noahmagana137]

Considering casino royale and QOS took place around the same time, skyfall happens 5 years after those two movie so bond is a seasoned agent at that point

[@DavidSmith-bc8nk]

I didn't mind Terminator 3 - I think it added to that idea that humanity will eventually cause it's own destruction. Dark Fate on the other hand - my god what a dumpster fire

[@majinnemesis]

it's not a dumpster fire in any way it's actually quite good

[@Welverin]

@@majinnemesis Agreed, it's a good movie in it's own right.

[@RealWorldGames]

Dark waste of time was a dumpster fire

[@jamisoncurtis2387]

Agree that T3 was a better story than dark fate. Was watching some video game clips terminator resistance and that story would have been better movie. Would have been great to have a story taken place during that future war that ties up with the events of the 1st 2 movies. I know I’m not the only one that says enough of the time travel. Its interesting that video game writers can make a better story than Hollywood writers and put it out there

[@MichaelParthum]

Alien 3. I needn’t say more.

[@dizzyrascal5015]

Toy Story 4 should've been on this list.

[@RJay207]

In my rage concerning "Alien 3"... i completely forgot about my rage concerning "Toy Story 4". Thanks. I hate it. XD

[@bulletprooftoaster-tt9od]

AGree

[@alexius23]

Totally agree about Highlander II

[@gregorymeyer1798]

Yes!!! And anyone who has seen a "making of" type of video will see the hell the production went thru and how much the studio heads didn't care. Sad, if they had taken their time and did it right, it could have been epic.

[@pyromethious]

If you haven't, go find Highlander 2: Renegade Edition for what the director Wanted to have

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@gregorymeyer1798If the studio didn't care, why make a sequel then?

[@gregorymeyer1798]

@@dhenderson1810 Money money money 💰 They wanted the box office, but made the movie super cheap, super quick, and didn't care about the story, characters, or artistry so they could (hopefully) make a quick profit rather than put in the time and money to make it right... Even though doing it that way would likely have made more money in the long run.

[@raul350raptor]

Toy Story 4 is the worst offender. Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending to the trilogy and I’m embarrassed to say but actually made me tear up a little 😅

[@David-dc3nk]

It's okay, you are not the only one.

[@timevans6369]

Stopped watching after he mangled the name Connor McCloud and said "it sounds as ridiculous as it sounds". WTF??

[@istillfunction8691]

Lam BERT 😂

[@Terastas]

Bonnie breaking her promise to Andy in Toy Story 4 pissed me off. Almost as much as seeing a movie that shat all over the legacy of its predecessors get the Best Animated Feature Oscar anyway.

[@BigMoneyGripMCV]

Jurassic World: You find the loose dinos from the OG trilogy and tranq them. Bring them to the new location - there you go. Any loose dinos are rounded up.

[@PurgeThunder]

This list is bogus without “Iron Eagle 2”… that movie killed the hero of the first movie within the first five minutes.

[@robertsmith9080]

"Jason Lives" doesn't deserve to be on this list. Not only is it one of the better F13 films - with excellent cinematography and soundtrack. But this one also resurrected Jason as a zombie - he's resurrected from the grave. explaining why he can't be killed.

[@lindlekindle]

But didn't they say that his body was cremated and was witnessed?

[@matthewsirois3705]

You call out Terminator 3 for changing T2’s ending, when T2 itself undermines the original Terminator! Everyone happily ignores all the contradictions in T2. For instance, It’s stated in The Terminator that Skynet is defeated and it sending the T-800 back as a last ditch attempt to destroy John Conner. It’s also pointed out the Time Machine was destroyed. So how is ur sending more terminators back? Also, how does the T-1000 use the Time Machine when it’s pointed out only living things can travel through time, which is why everyone goes through naked. Is the T-1000 living metal? Lastly Judgement Day could not be prevented. It would create a paradox. No Judgement Day, no Skynet, no future war, no T-800 sent back in time, no Kyle Reese sent back in time, John Conner is never born, Sarah Conner has no reason to attack Cyberdyne.

[@majinnemesis]

people have a huge deal of nostalgia for T2 and can't accept anything else or accept any faults T2 might have

[@bkr323]

Dear Ewan, you forgot Alien 3. No one watched or gave a shit about Boy2. We all cared that Alien 3 negated the events of one of the best action movies ever made.

[@danandtab7463]

I agree with those who say Austin Powers was not ruined. That thing that was "revealed" was absolutely ridiculous and contrived to setup him going "I'm single again baby! yeah!" rofl

[@kevinrandol2954]

No way! Friday the 13th 6 was gold! Blasphemy!

[@WickedPrince3D]

Aliens 3, everybody who survived 2 died in their sleep, Ripley just took longer to realize she was dead. They died because none of them imagined the alien queen, whose sole purpose was to lay eggs, would lay eggs while hiding on the ship.

[@musingsofamadman3178]

All resident evil sequels.

[@AtelierOfWeebs]

The ending of T3 is still one of the best endings ever, showing that the point was to survive, they did change the story but people still has the same habit of self destructing, just like in dark fate, humanity still found a way

[@alicedelgado955]

Ted 2. John is divorced, making all character growth from the first movie pointless

[@almondwine]

The funny thing about Jurassic World is, forget JP3, the OG Jurassic Park book literally opens with compys running around mainland Costa Rica.

[@markkoops2611]

Rambo went back because of the POWs, he felt responsible because he had escaped, and wouldn't betray them as the govt had

[@JosephGoetz-ok2yv]

In part 1 he had PTSD bc he killed like 50 people in 10 years. In part 2 he kills like 100 people over 2 days.

[@justinlfcrule]

Was totally expecting Alien 3 to be on this list and to be at No.1

[@Anthonybregante]

Crank was the first movie to come to mind. It was stupidly ridiculous to have him survive the ending of the first film.

[@ralphharrison6622]

agreed

[@steweygrrr]

The only dinosaurs that escaped the island were the two T-Rex, the pterosaurs weren't migrating they were going out to the ocean to hunt because pterosaurs were basically modern sea birds but bigger.

[@vishalb777]

incorrect, there is an online tie-in that says the pterosaurs went to Canada

[@draygoon69]

Terminator 3 is the inevitable next step in the story depending on which belief of time travel you want to subscribe to. While the Marvel movies deal with the concept of "multiverses", Terminator 3 goes back to a concept that of the paradox. If you go back in time to stop an event and succeed then the reason you went back never happens so there is no reason to go back in time. But if you don't go back in time you can't prevent the event from happening. It was actually brought up in the movie The Time Machine. No matter how many times he tried to save his wife, she would always die. He couldn't understand that the reason he made the time machine and went back in time was due to her death, so without her death he wouldn't create the time machine or go back in time.

[@saryekad]

This! *So* many times this!! Digressing slightly: thinking at the "multiverse" concept, I actually believe that Back to the Future had one of the best *simple* explanations of changing the past when Doc used the blackboard to explain how reality would split off in another direction.

[@ShadowEX7]

The Jurassic World bit doesn’t bother me that much. I’m more annoyed by Fallen Kingdom completely ignoring that Isla Nublar is part of “Los Cinco Muertes,” a chain of FIVE ISLANDS & at least one other island had dinosaurs still on it, yet there is no mention of Isla Sorna or any of the other islands. Also the fact that it ends where it SHOULD have begun. With a literal Jurassic World!

[@Animaniac0451]

Iron Eagle II and Aliens 3 both completely undo the previous movies by killing off the previous protagonists mostly off screen in the opening minutes

[@TheZoenGaming]

Autin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me: "Vanessa was a fembot!" "We know." I laughed so hard, no lie.

[@randallross420]

How does Highlander even have a sequel? There can only be one.

[@TitularHeroine]

😂😂

[@thefacelessmist]

Bam bam tis 🥁

[@SansoHumar]

There can be only one…..again…….and again……..and again……and again…….

[@primmoore6232]

As he said, they tossed out every bit of the lore and started over. They went from *"Here we are, born to be kings, we're the princes of the universe!"* to prisoners, exiled to Earth to fight it out for... I forget what. The 3rd one got back on track, as did the series.

[@curtyeomans8446]

Terminator 3 was always inevitable when the studio decided to cut the final scene in T2 that emphatically said judgement day never happened. Yes, the scene was filmed. It’s on KZbin

[@terryloh8583]

Alien 3 definitely deserves to be on this list, even more so than Terminator 3.

[@UlfhedinnNorsk]

The only one I would disagree with would be 007 “Skyfall”. Most people do not understand how much the service (Military, Special Forces, Intel Operation, etc) takes out of a person. Having worked with Special Operations personnel (myself being a retired military professional), I can honestly tell you that 10 years of this lifestyle can age you 20+ years ( I am not even talking about the wear and tear your body goes thru). And… Combining all of this with Bond’s drinking habits, it quite believable he aged this much. Oh well. My two cents 😉 (Forgive my grammar please since English is my 5th language).

[@timidwolf]

Not sure how you missed out the Disney Star Wars sequels completely misrepresenting the characters as we saw them at the end of RotJ with zero explanation. Can only assume you want to forget them as much as SW fans do.

[@dhenderson1810]

SW fans wanted Han, Luke and Leia. They could have been left out of the films and kept their happy ending, and focus on Rey, Finn and Poe, but the Karen fans insisted on the established characters coming back. So if you bring them back, then their story may not continue to be happy. Harrison only agreed to do "Force Awakens" if he was killed off in the most dramatic way possible. He hated the character and wanted it dead. Again, the fans wanted Han in it. Also, Carrie Fisher died during the third one so they had to kill her off in the movie as well. That was unexpected and they can't be blamed for it (maybe if Fisher had stayed off alcohol and drugs...). This is a good example of why studios shouldn't listen to fans or pander to them. Because they don't have a frigging clue. 16:32

[@ldcg106]

​@@dhenderson1810 That is the most idiotic take on anything since the 1st flat-earther decided t9 curse us and open their ignorant mouth.

[@dhenderson1810]

@@ldcg106 Explain why? What are the flaws in my argument, rather than just dismiss me? Fact. If they weren't in the sequels, Luke, Leia and Han would still have their happy scenes at the end of ROTJ. That would be the last time you saw them. Fact. Harrison Ford has wanted Han Solo killed off since the first movie. Lucas wouldn't agree. So, Ford may have only come back if Solo dies. Fact. Carrie Fisher passed away during the filming of "The Rise Of Skywalker". Bit hard to give Leia a happy ending when her portrayer isn't able to do scenes anymore. Tell me what is wrong with these established facts.

[@ldcg106]

@@dhenderson1810 Fact: considering how much they influenced the galaxy, there is literally no way to make sequels after them without affecting something about their ending and it could have easily been done without destroying eveything they did in the Original Trilogy, like they did in the Expanded Universe. The could have still affected Return of the Jedi's ending without making it meaningless by just soft-rebooting the state of the galaxy. That was the hacks' pretending to be "writers" fault. Fact: if they had to kill Han Solo (they didn't), they could have easily made it so that he didn't abandon his wife, gone back to being a scoundrel, and definitely without having him being bad at it for some reason; he could have easily been a high-ranking member of the New Republic's forces (like in the Expanded Universe), and maybe then it could have at least been a more dignified death. That was the hacks' pretending to be "writers" fault. Fact: Carrie Fischer did die between movies; that was nobody's fault. However, given the age of the actors, Lucasfilm should have made it their priority to film at least one last scene with them together. That was the hacks' pretending to be "writers" fault. What is actually wrong with your delusions is that you are faulting the fans for the hacks' f***-ups instead of actually using a single braincell (if you have any) to attribute blame to where/whom it is actually due. Every terrible decision is Lucasfilm's and Disney's fault, no one else's; if they had actually listened to the real fans and had even a modicum of respect for what came before, they would have made better (actually good) movies, especially when they had the perfect blueprints to draw from and adapt, instead of decanonizing perfectly good (and better) material.

[@Navek2286]

Wow can't believe that Highlander 2 scores a 0 on rotten tomatoes. It's a classic and I love it. I love the original, too, of course. But I remember watching the second movie tons of times growing up

[@robertrgarver9083]

Paul Walker's Brian driving off in Furious 7 was the perfect way for the character to exit the franchise after Walker's death. And yet all the sequels since have had these "Brian's still around, he's just offscreen *wink*" moments that undermine that ending. I know some well-intentioned people think they're honoring Walker by keeping his character, and thus his memory alive, but it's just coming off as a form of denial.

[@epicgb]

Yeh i remember posting something along the lines of “perfect way to end the franchise…” after watching it

[@ralphharrison6622]

part 1 and 3 were good. the rest was trash. franchise wouodve been great with different characters and stories, rather than vin "diva princess" diesel flexing in every fkn film

[@TheLonelySoulja]

Ayy I can agree with you on JP3.. I do like JW, but I can agree with JP3 being better than JW.

[@jasonlake2664]

TBF Jurassic World had a lot of Online Material on the build up to the movie (and its sequels) explaining what happened to the Pteranodons and explains that another company bought Ingen etc. Actually a really good bit of world building that I dont think they could show horn into the film. I loved them! (if you couldnt tell :P)

[@dhenderson1810]

It is bad storytelling when you need to go outside the movie to find plot points. It is the movie's job to explain those points.

[@fractalfae5418]

Other commenters have rightly highlighted Alien 3 for wrecking Ripley's character arc through Aliens, but Alien Covenant might even be worse, because not only did it discard Shaw's quest to find the Engineers which was set up in Prometheus - and do a Hicks and Newt on her in the process - but it even undermined the entire franchise by having the Xenomorphs themselves be created by David! It's probably better to just pretend that the franchise has only two actual movies, Alien and Aliens, imo.

[@ralphharrison6622]

yup

[@MGmirkin]

And completely ignored all the second or third order canon of the books and comics from the 80s/90s, by trying to "rewrite" the Xenomorphs' origins, in general, as not a specific species with like a homeworld, etc., but just as some kind of genetic experiment or bioweapon gone awry. Bloody nonsense revisionist history, so-to-speak. Just silly, to me...

[@miraculousabridged2857]

The twist from Halloween Resurrections was actually planned in H20

[@jules-yi8rn]

I like to think that Daniel Craig was trying to age himself out of the franchise by the time Skyfall came out.... I think he was playing the role around 10 years at the time of its release.

[@lindlekindle]

Nope only 6 by the time Skyfall came out

[@noahvandenberg3637]

unless you've watched the alternate ending of T2, the movie doesn't really have that happy of an ending. it has more of an uncertain ending, cause sarah and john connor don't know for sure if what they did would really prevent judgement day. so all that T3 did was remove that uncertainty, but it didn't retcon anything

[@ranwolf1240]

logically speaking as long as John exists Judgement day was going to happen. There would be no reason to send Reese back in time if Skynet wasn't a thing.

[@illyahrthebard3303]

I actually believe the Terminator movies were released "out of order." With some minor adjustments and tweaks, you have a fairly coherent story if you watch in the following order: Salvation, 1, 2, Dark Fate, Genysis, 3. Rather than being destroyed, Carl goes back to protect Sarah as a child in order to undo the damage he caused when he killed John but loses his memory from the damage he took. Pops successfully protects Sarah so that John can be born. However, the Rev-9 had secretly followed and waited until after Judgement Day and ambushes John as he's sending Reese back, causing the divergence during Genysis. Reese goes back in the current continuity but, because of the disturbance, has memories warning himself of the change. As shown at the end of Genysis, Genysis survives and successfully integrates with other computer systems. John, thinking it was over, tries to go about his normal life while Genysis infects a government defense program. The events of 3 happen in this timeline, with John alive to be the hero needed to fight Skynet. This creates a closed loop of events. Sending the first Terminator back to kill Sarah causes a series of time travel events that brings Skynet back to exactly where it started, so Skynet trying to change things was futile. Fate is both malleable and set at the same time. Each branch in time ultimately leads back to the beginning because of the choices made by all parties. The only way the cycle would have ended is if any of the players involved had acted differently to how they would act. Skynet fails, and humans win.

[@stepheneddington1667]

You are totally wrong about Rambo First Blood Part 2. Just as the first film and book dealt with the what Rambo and other veterans went through, the second film deals with the fact that there were still POW's, a very real world concern at that time, and Rambo's mission was going back to find proof. Col Trautman was the one that used all his power to get Rambo released from prison with the deal that completing the mission would get him pardoned. There's nothing wrong it and it doesn't hurt or make less of the first film in any way.

[@philiprice7875]

rambo 2 never answered a question what was he in prison for? murder of the cop who fell from a chopper? self defence criminal destruction? man is suffering PTSD and as such is not responsible for his actions at most he would be placed in a mental hospital not a hard labour camp.

[@stepheneddington1667]

@philiprice7875 Unfortunately PTSD is not a valid defense and Rambo was in control of himself. The book for the second movie explains it more. Rambo admitted to what he did. It was all the charges of assault and property destruction that gave him such a huge sentence. It does get hinted at in the first film that a few of the deputies did also admit they went too far in their treatment of Rambo and that I think was also mentioned in the book for the second film. Been a long time since I read it though.

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@stepheneddington1667Second book? I thought Rambo died at the end of the first book.

[@stepheneddington1667]

@@dhenderson1810 the second book was based on the second film.

[@dhenderson1810]

@@stepheneddington1667 I know. But it is dumb doing a second book when you killed Rambo off on the first one. The movie didn't kill him off, so they can get around it easier.

[@majorprofit]

They should have had Agent L in Men in Black 2. I think she looked badass. I like Men in Black 3 a lot more then Men in Black 2. Maybe its because of Griffin and Boris the Animal.. Sorry Just Boris.

[@itsmecamroy]

You can make about five lists with this topic. Might help to have a few older writers. Smokey and the Bandit 2 contradicts happy ending, National Treasure 2 contradicts happy ever ending of one, Jaws 4 with widow Brody, Ring 2 changed rules, Star Wars prequels having better tech than what came later New Hope, Alien 3 like everybody pointing out destroys the happy ending of 2, Captain America bringing back Bucky after we watched him fall a mile to his death, Kings Men bringing back someone we saw shot point blank, Star Trek 3 bringing Spock back with Genesis and lots of magic, Harry Potter inconsistencies could make a whole video alone, Grudge 2 wasn't she dead(?), for me Halloween 2 turned Michael into some super human I pretend they stopped after the first one. Just for starters.

[@hunterolaughlin]

To be fair, The Winter Soldier is based on a comic where it did retcon Bucky’s death to reveal he survived and was captured and mind-controlled into being an assassin vigilante, so they’re just simply following the comics.

[@itsmecamroy]

@@hunterolaughlin I was going to mention that about following the comics but thought I would have to go onto explain if they knew he was coming back it probably shouldn't have been such a definitive looking death. Leave a plausible out. It takes the trust right out of the audience. Like there is no real risk.

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@hunterolaughlinI hate when movies just copy a comic. It makes the movie too predictable and there are no stakes. I mean, you knew Bucky wasn't dead, because he survived in the comic. You see the twist coming.

[@hunterolaughlin]

@@dhenderson1810 Well for those who read the comics, yes. But not for the general public that’s unfamiliar with the comics. Heck, I’ve never even read any of the Captain America comics nor even The Winter Soldier graphic novel the film was based on and I only know Bucky survives (Or his death is rather retconned) because that’s OBVIOUSLY the premise of the graphic novel.

[@dhenderson1810]

@@hunterolaughlin Even more reason to not adapt the comic storylines to screen. It is lost on the general audience who don't read the comics. But those who have complain when it doesn't follow the source material, but then complain when it does and it is too predictable and they saw the twist coming. Just right new original stories for these heroes while keeping true to their character, origin, powers etc.

[@RhapsosProductions]

Highlander II has one redeeming feature to me, and that is the bagpipe rendition of Amazing Grace; it made me realise that bagpipes can sound good and moving. Otherwise, I completely agree!

[@corwinandrews4366]

The director's cut of Highlander 2 justifies it better: instead of being from a planet, they're a different dimension. While I still wouldn't say it's good, it's definitely better in my opinion.

[@FurryStockings]

You know what I miss? James Bond with fun Gadgets, the gritty reboot was never my favorite thing honestly, I'd like to see my wacky gadget wielding james bond again, not grounded, realistic shit :(

[@j.t.jackson5545]

Rambo went to Vietnam to rescue POWs. He wouldn't have cared who sent him. He didn't go for country, he went to free soldiers

[@OldDemonTooth]

Boo

[@SamM_Scot]

The Descent Part 2. Not only did it ruin the entire meaning of the classic original UK version, but was an awful sequel :-)

[@alphaomega2117]

Terminator 3 fixed the ending though. The big problem of the first 2 Terminators was the Time Paradox created by trying to change the past. Terminator 3 solved that by indicating that even if you change some details certain events will occur no matter what - Skynet will rebel - a War will occur - Man will rise to defeat the machines and ultimately win - the timing might change and the individuals might change but ultimately what is meant to happen will happen. Terminator 3 didn't invalidate what happened in the previous films it just gave an explanation that made them make sense rather than a time paradox.

[@NeoTechni]

Ralph Breaks the Internet is so awful/destroys the characters and the rules set by the first movie, cause the writer was going through a bad divorce and wanted to use it to attack her husband

[@JStryker47]

Why am I not surprised?

[@paradoxr.n.o8688]

Austin powers 2 is great

[@MAZZ0Murder]

While I liked Skyfall, I think the problem writers face with big jumps in time is that they don't always think of things that could have happened in-between those times... so it seems like all of Bond's significant moments happen in the events of the movies alone and nothing else.

[@skz5k2]

I liked the ending of T3 with the inevitability of the JD. They should have added a T4 with the inevitability of "John Connor": History cannot be changed!

[@DukeRhodes]

Diversity, equity and inclusion seems to override all. John Connor was a white male, back of the line for him, the savior of mankind being of that particular gender and race, had to be retconned for this ideologically driven era. Enter DEI (Didn't earn it)

[@4plus20isHappy]

In ‘Terminator 2’ after they changed the future, it split the timeline into two. One goes into ‘Rise of the Machines’ while the other goes into ‘Genysis’. That’s why Sarah is dead in the former but alive in the latter.

[@DavidStowers-o7k]

Doesn't explain dark fate though.

[@4plus20isHappy]

@@DavidStowers-o7k ‘Dark Fate’ is part of the ‘Genysis’ timeline.

[@Daeduluus]

You forgot The Last Jedi that not only ruined the previous movie it ruined the sequels and mostly Disney Wars quite the feat

[@anafromr5413]

Yes, the second Brahms movie really did ruin the whole plot of The Boy. It was not supposed to be supernatural. Just stop it with the weird sequels, please.

[@jacobdrolet4262]

I really enjoyed men in black 2 more then 3 and Jurassic Park 3 is one of my favourite Jurassic park movies ever.

[@theunwelcome]

gonna have to agree with the Chorus here, Austin Powers did it as a pointed joke and doesn't deserve to be here

[@doorattachment6926]

Terminator 3 was a good movie much better than most sequels

[@BooshMeBaby]

I am a T2 fan to the end, but I always remembered that the T800's severed arm was still in the factory machinery. Miles might have died, but everyone he worked with wouldn't have just given up on all that research when the building went down. Especially if there was another arm.

[@gringo3002]

In a Terminator novel set after T2, the Cyberdyne people find the severed arm. I don't recall which novel it was.