Whats going on with used motorcycles? Is New the way to go?

Buying New or Used Motorcycles? With so many fantastic deals on new Motorcycles and Finance now so available to anyone new motorcycles are now in reach of Everyone. New Motorcycles are coming down in price with bargain bikes being driven by the more budget end of the Motorcycle manufactures. So Why buy a Used Motorbike anymore? Has it been used and Abused? Is buying new the way to go? We Took Ewa's Triumph Tiger 800 xrt to the Used Motorcycle dealers to see if they would make a offer and buy our used bike.... Join us on the road in todays episode - Whats is going on with used motorcycle sales

[@MrBottomrung]

I do feel that buying any newish bike is basically a write-off of at least a third of the initial purchase price. I like to think that the cost of a 2 week family holiday is about what I lose at the next trade in and it doesn't feel so outrageous. Very much enjoying your content thank you.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I know what you mean, maybe about 12 months old is the way to go to try and avoid that initial loss from new

[@joshuathomas8529]

After riding used bikes for the last 20 years I went and bought a brand-new Supper meteor 650. This way I know how the bike is supposed to feel. I know their is a loss but frankly I plan on keeping this bike for 20 years.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@joshuathomas8529 and how do you like the RE?

[@flippy66]

But you're not paying for the whole bike on PCP, that's the way to go, especially if you don't plan on keeping the same bike for a decade.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@flippy66 what’s the mileage cap on these deals though?

[@stinkypete2722]

I'm in my 50s and after many years and many, many dozens of cars and bikes, I will NEVER darken the doorstep of a dealer again. I would rather get a bank loan and buy a nice bike from a private seller if that's the way I wanted to go.. The warranties are not worth the paper they're written on and once you're out the door, they are not really interested in you or the bike. Last week, I picked up a 30 year old VFR750 for a £1000, absolutely lovely thing, even with 67k on the clock. I'll be prepping it over winter and taking it to Europe in spring. I've had fairly new Tracers, Fazers, Tigers, CBF1000 etc etc.. all great machines but too much money tied up in them and too much depreciation for me.. Even my car is 32 years old and guess what..? No engine management light.. ;-)

[@ontheroadadventure]

You are probably the wise one here

[@neilwiddison6529]

I never spend big money on bikes ,so many bargains to grab second hand, glad you got a vfr750, I have one it's a 97 model and love it, just brought something different a 400 burghman in mint condition with low miles and some great extras for £1000, ITS ACE.

[@stevebee2865]

I bought a new bike. Then bagged a bank loan with less interest to pay. Paid the finance off. I am looking for another bike tho 2nd hand.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@stevebee2865 I think it’s a buyers market right now for used bikes so have a good look around and haggle yourself a great deal

[@simonspencer397]

I'm in the market for a bike in the £4-7k range (buying outright with cash) and tbh, the prices people want for used is daft. Yes a lot are immaculate, with very low milage. But why would i pay £5k for a 3 year old used one when i can get brand new for £700 more from a dealer, 100% no risk, no accidents, no need to check it over or HPI it, and no messing with payment options.

[@ontheroadadventure]

We have to agree, here’s a great option for you to consider…kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y33WY2hsoq2qqKMsi=yZF00GMbp2UV_61d

[@Rockout52]

One of the problems I've come across looking to buy a cash second hand bike from a private seller is, they want to get top money or above more or less getting back what they paid for it a year or two ago, I have a good look around to see prices of second in dealerships, Auto Trader and compare them to private sellers, you can often get a bike cheaper from a dealer with some warranty, I just keep looking for a bargain bike with all the extra's and a decent price regardless of who's selling it. You have to be prepared to make a loss selling second hand bikes, whether trading in or selling privately, or be stuck with it for a long while.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I Agree, however ours was by far the cheapest available. You have to be realistic if you want to make a sale. People often over value their bikes and want to include the value of extras that they spent, but we all know you never get that money back

[@iangriffiths9930]

I think that during covid all bike prices got inflated new and old. The problem is now that the prices have stayed high, probably due to the fact that people who bought in covid who paid top price still want to get top price back. The other worry when buying used is buying a melon??

[@ontheroadadventure]

That can be a risk, I’ve always been lucky though. Biggest lemon I ever bought was a new KTM!

[@jerhughes500]

I’m one of the elusive second hand buyers, searching at the moment. My personal opinion? People want too much for their bikes, simple as that. If they were priced right, they’d sell. Same with houses, they get listed for, let’s say £200k, they don’t sell, they drop the price, they sit for a while, then they go for £170k, the price they should have been listed for in the first place. Almost every bike I look at, I’m thinking, if that was a bit less….just my opinion.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Maybe another sign of the times, people just need to make more money out of stuff because we pay more for everything else

[@jerhughes500]

@@ontheroadadventure I agree and that's the conundrum. We need more money when we sell things but we don't have enough to buy things. I've been looking at the 800 Tigers, I'd like to spend around 4k, and I'm looking at 2011, maybe 2012 bikes for that much money. I just don't know if they're worth it.

[@chrishart8548]

​@@jerhughes500almost 12 years old by then 2012 model. I find used bikes have to be at least 5 years + before the price difference over new is worth it. And when you find a reasonable bike with the stock exhaust, indicators. No tail tidy. Its a good few thousand more than the cheapest ones.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I’m a sucker for the newest models and tech on a bike, I do t have the patience to wait it seems!

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@Paul-pb4wv I think people become attached to their own bikes, you build an emotional bond and that tends to reflect when people value their own bike for sale

[@jediknight2350]

im still riding my cz175 1975 i brought it new still going strong.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Amazing! That’s getting your moneys worth 👍

[@cp4512]

I only looks at used private sale bikes (or cars) if they are very very cheap. Seen too many lemons on peoples drives that are just a few hundred quid cheaper than buying from a dealer where you have some consumer rights to protect you. Often private sales are because people think they can charge as much as a dealer would sell the bike for, or the seller knows it’s hiding something…. Happy to buy used bikes, but won’t pay almost new prices for them!

[@ontheroadadventure]

It’s certainly a mine field when buying used vehicles

[@neilwiddison6529]

I got a lovely 400 burghman for £1000 can't wait to go touring on it next sp

[@ontheroadadventure]

That’s a bargain buy!

[@neilwiddison6529]

@@ontheroadadventure 20006 model with 19000,the guy just wanted to get rid of it as he doesn't use it.

[@ontheroadadventure]

You got a good buy there@@neilwiddison6529

[@beastieboy3926]

Triumph are a good well known premium brand,costing £10 K and upwards new.It`s reasonable to expect to get say £6 K for a 2 or 3 yr old good example, BUT as you point out that sort of money will buy a new 650 Royal Enfield for example.The market has been distorted against the premium brands by relatively cheap imports from India and China. In addition,as I have said, the rider demographic has changed as well,plus winter is no good for sales and on top of all that there has been massive cost of living increases.Another factor is the proliferation of lower speed limits and enforcement cameras,so the once sought after high performance bike is less desireable. All things considered it`s a crap time for bikers.

[@ontheroadadventure]

This is where the more budget, lower cc brands are excelling

[@thelocodude01]

I didn't take the chance trying to sell my 800 Tiger privately when I got my nearly new Tiger 1200 last month as there are so many for sale in the market, plus I got what I wanted for it and a good price on the 1200 (good time to buy). Funnily enough the dealer sold my old 800 45 mins after I'd picked up the 1200. The big plus for me is that the whole procedure was so easy, it just wasn't worth the hassle of going the private sale route.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Yes although you take a hit on trading in a used bike, it does save you allot of time and hassle. How do you like the 1200 tiger? I had the 900 GT pro and love it

[@thelocodude01]

@@ontheroadadventure I love the 1200 to bits, it's a big step up in power but strangely feels easier to ride and suits me better. It's also the Gt Pro. Love the vids, not too flashy and very down to earth. Keep it real you two 👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

You really cant go wrong with the triumph, youll do many happy reliable miles on it. Thanks so much for your comments, we really do appreciate them @@thelocodude01

It's a buyers market at the moment. Bike shops closing down. Our local one closed middle of this year.

[@ontheroadadventure]

It must be hard to make a decent mark up, enough to make a profit, Everyone wants to sell at the best price and buy the best bargain, Hard to make money in the middle i guess

[@williamrae9954]

​@@ontheroadadventureLook at WeBuyAnyCar and Cinch...they've 10s of thousands of cars at Rockingham all on axle stands...only a matter of time before they go bust!

[@ontheroadadventure]

You’d think they would sell them off cheap to get rid of stock rather than it rotting

[@mikewanamaker7352]

I’m in the states,to buy new dealers adding $1500 in fees on average across the board. So, even a small cc bike around $3000 not leaving the showroom until close to $5000. Now used bikes if you can find one not being sold by a dealer are going for almost msrp saying save on fees. No realistic prices anywhere and see a trend where buyers going for bigger bikes instead of a beginner to be only robbed once.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow that doesn’t sound good. What do they say the fees are for?

[@mikewanamaker7352]

@@ontheroadadventure I’ve seen destination,prep,tax,registration,plates and even a document fee,let alone them trying for an extended warranty.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@mikewanamaker7352 we have a bit of the “admin” fee on sales here sometimes but not much more than that. I’m right in saying it’s hard to get a test ride before you buy too in the states?

[@roadwarrior8560]

I can't work these bike shops out tbh, they are overstocked but you walk in with cash on the hip and they won't budge on silly prices, I've seen bikes sit for months and months unsold, just doesn't make sense. I bought new once and never will again unless I win the lotto or inherit a fortune somehow! Finance is a no no for me, I agree with your Mrs on that. Looks a great channel you have, subbed,

[@ontheroadadventure]

Glad you enjoy the content 😃 We think same, sometimes you can get lucky with buying new bike with very few miles on and a lot of extras for considerably less than same but brand new. Eva was lucky like that with her AT Agree with you ans I still don’t understand why some bike shops rather sit on an overpriced motorcycle for years sometimes and would not negotiate the price, maybe it is so you just buy a new one from the shop?

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

I keep my motorcycles for decades. I have only 2 on the road 🛣️ at present. My Sportster has 400,000 miles on the original engine. My URAL has 50,000 miles on her. She is a 1999 650 Tourist. Both are fun motorcycles. Especially my Sportster,such a fun bike to ride. So reliable and dependable too.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow that’s impressive! I had a sportster, Everytime I rode it something either fell off or started leaking! I had the 1200 nightster

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@ontheroadadventure My carburetor equipped Sportster 883 runs cool in summer in Florida. I changed the oil 2X a year. I get 100,000 miles on a belt. I have worn out 37 back tires and 17 front ones. Ironically I got the bike so I would have many choices to get service work done but it has been phenomenal reliable. Out lasted all of my brand new Hondas put together. Of course agear drive does not snap and destroy the engine. She is like a rehomed dog 🐕🐶. She has a forever ♾️ home 🏠.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@frankmarkovcijr5459 That is just epic!

[@inked-96]

I'll always buy used and private with certain brands. I'll always avoid private sales with big brands such as Ducati, BMW, KTM, and Triumph, as if they go wrong, it can be very expensive. I also feel buying these big expensive bikes for "touring" is pointless. I have an R1200GSA 2019. It's a good bike, but other than being able to go off road, there's nothing more it can do than my 2015 GSX1250FA, and for that reason, the GSA will be sold in January.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Sometimes keeping it simple is best

[@colsparky651]

I have a 1971 Honda cb750/4 Custom hardtail chopper and a 1992 Yamaha xj600 diversion. And im well happy with them both. And they brought and paid for

[@ontheroadadventure]

Both bikes sound cooler than Penguins Pee! Rich loves Chops and custom bikes and also owned the xj600 as his first big bike many years ago. We often think that older and simple is best but also we cannot help but want EVERY bike we see!

[@davidgray8863]

The cost of living is a big factor. People have money but worry about paying out a lot of money on someting that has no warranty then having no cash if a big bill comes in. Also new bike prices rose steeply and are now falling due to lack of sales but private prices can be ridiculous. In 2015 you could buy a new MT07 for £5700 (£500 less than RRP) a few weeks ago I saw a 2015 MT07 advertised for £5000 lol. You can get the new hornet with all it's rider aids for £89 per month.... those are the main reasons why used bike sales are not doing well.

[@ontheroadadventure]

A fair point I brought in 2017 a brand new tracer 900, in 2020 at £7k I sold It with 30k miles on it for £5k. How much is a new tracer now?!

[@davidgray8863]

In 2010 I was run over on the autobahn on my 2007 gsxr1000 I traded it in as a cat N for £3200 on my new 2012 gixxer I saw it advertised for £5999 privately last month 🙂 @@ontheroadadventure also currently you can buy a brand new MT09 on the road (inc road tax) £8560 but there are year old used ones for 8750 privately

[@chrishart8548]

​@@davidgray8863I remember when a Brand new MT-09 was £6,995 0% £99 deposit £99 a month. Probably afford that on job seekers allowance.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I’d take that for a deal now!

[@ontheroadadventure]

Madness this is

[@SouthWest-jj8yu]

Following lockdowns people went crazy for bikes cars bicycles and dogs. Now supplies of these are available and people no longer seem desperate to get their hands on them there seems to be an oversupply. My local (100 mile round trip) BMW dealer had a shop full of used bikes, end of lockdown more or less all sold in four or five days. My four year old car, 39k miles sold to a dealer for £300 less than I payed new. Now there’s a fallout with bike and car dealers oversupplied with stock they can’t move, sheds full with bicycles that’ll probably never be used and unfortunately dog shelters filled with unwanted dogs.

[@volt8684]

Spot on

[@ontheroadadventure]

Very sad but true, so whats to be done with the Stock? i cant see Dealers Lowering the prices, I mean Their businesses cannot take the hit either, particarly the smaller shops

[@ontheroadadventure]

Its interesting to see what will happen over the next few years, will there be a drastic drop in prices?

[@thomasegan1551]

Every asset will drop in value through 2024. Motorbikes, cars and houses etc. 2025 will see better times once people have got used to the new normal, providing we don't have too much taken off us to pay for green living.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@thomasegan1551 Let’s hope your right

[@KevinRodgersGB]

Depends what you're buying I guess. I bought my Rebel 500 new. The difference between new and 1 year old was less than £1k (£700 in most cases). For that extra, I'm getting newness. If you buy from a dealer you are still paying 20% VAT new or old. Dealer servicing isn't required for warranty work so I can give it a good service every year, even though service intervals are 8000 miles. I was looking at buying an RE Meteor 350 as a 2nd bike but sellers are just being unreasonable in what they want. £3500 for a one year old bike that only costs £4100 new...nonsense. Liking the videos huys!

[@ontheroadadventure]

Rebel 500 made sense to buy new I agree, just hang on for the RE I think used prices will come down soon

[@stevetaylor8698]

Most dealers go down the "second hand margin scheme" in terms of VAT, rather than a straight 20% - at least that is the case for cars.

[@richardbarton2709]

Could it be that there are no where near the amount of people passing their bike tests because of the stringent rules.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Is that a real issue? It’s been a long time since I did mine but ewa did her licence a little over a year ago and passed it all no trouble?

[@ontheroadadventure]

Perhaps less people are doing full bike tests due to cost of living situation? I guess for most a bike is a toy, to go along with the car so is an extra luxury?

[@surfingtheapocalypse]

The average age of the UK motorcyclist is around 54 and rising. This means the follow up of young people wanting to buy cheaper second hand bikes is shrinking. Obviously the net effect is a shrinking market for people wanting a second hand bikes, whilst the number of second hand bikes remaining unsold increases at the same rate. Interestingly this aging biker scenario is also playing out in the U.S.A. Probably why the manufacturers are all bringing modern retro classics out, chasing a shrinking market.

[@ontheroadadventure]

The trouble is that motorcycles are not cheap transport anymore and so are for people who can afford to have it as a toy or hobby. The Chinese brands are bringing out decent bikes at a third of the cost which will help younger people

[@AnFu2]

I bought a new bike only because it did not made sense to me to buy a 4 year old bike W/O warranty for only 15% lower price, than a brand new bike. I guess it depends on the market (location), but where I am form the prices of used bikes do not make any sense. You can still see the same bikes on adds from 2, 3 years ago with the same price or even higher price and more mileage. It's ridiculous.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Yes we know what you mean, a local dealer had an Africa Twin for sale used, it had been in the show room for two years and now is 2k over priced. We tried to buy it at 10k its value not once but twice and was declined. Both times both me and ewa returned with our new Africa twins at better value. It’s like they didn’t want to sell us the bike 🤷‍♂️

[@bikerbuddy3166]

This all started with pcp even more so when they started doing pcp on second hand bikes and it killed the second hand market for private sellers , unfortunately life is rentable for the majority of people ☹️

[@ontheroadadventure]

You could well be right there but PCP doesn’t work if you do big miles like us, I saw a deal for 4k miles, I thought that was per month, it was for the whole year lol!

[@samporter4818]

Good for ya!!!! Selling a used bike requires patience and discernment to sort out the SCAMMERS. I have owned 90 motorcycles/ scooters so I am acquainted with the GAME. Recently, I have been getting offers from local Harley Davidson Dealers on their 23 and 24 bikes, with rediculous 96 month financing!!! To the naive and uninitiated, this sounds great!!!! Until you do all of the MATH and find that a $20,000 bike cost you $35,000----if you keep it, which you won't and then all of the offers on the Bike won't even pay the loan off. I buy new 99% of the time and pay CASH. Current bike is a 2023 Kawasaki Versys 650LT and the last was a 2018 Africa Twin Adventure Sport and before that a Triumph Rocket 3 Roadster. Thank you for keeping foul language out of your videos! GOD bless. Sam

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow Sam that is outrageous from Harley, bordering irresponsible really isn’t it?

[@joshuathomas8529]

The bottom had dropped out the market for used and new bikes at least until spring. This is the best time of the year to buy a bike the worst if your trying to sell one.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Indeed, it is a buyers market right now. Whats interesting is that dealers also know this but all said they have to much stock. Youd think they would be buying cheap now for later

[@FFVoyager]

​@@ontheroadadventureif most new sales are on PCP (or whatever) then they don't have much choice to get cheap bikes from sellers desperate for money - the showrooms are filled with bikes they have traded for the latest and greatest and have already made a profit on the sale of the finance deals on them!

[@ontheroadadventure]

Well hopefully the used bikes stacking up in warehouses will have to fall in price soon and it will be a bargain basement for used bikes

[@FFVoyager]

@@ontheroadadventure I wouldn't count on it. More likely to see one (or more) of the big used dealers closing 'because of the economic climate' than realise they have built a market on cheap finance to generate huge profits!

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@FFVoyager mad world we live in right now

[@m0mgf]

PCP! Killed the second hand market. As you said, you can have a new bike for next to nothing for 3 years, then change it for a new one, hand it back or buy it.

[@ontheroadadventure]

But this only works if you dont ride them. I dont imagine they would offer us bikes on PCP due to the mileage they would have when we bring them back to the dealer

[@jimramsey8020]

Here in US used bikes still overpriced due to inflation, but not selling

[@ontheroadadventure]

There’s so much stock now in the uk that dealers were not interested in looking to see what we had

[@snakepliskin]

Iknow Marsh barton well and frequent both dhops mentioned, i will say that both shops usually pay below trade price,but all bike shops work on the parkers price guide, and youd be VERY SURPRISED at how low that price guide is

[@ontheroadadventure]

It must be getting harder for the shops now, they are needing to get better deals themselves now in order to turn a profit

[@Hinckley_Biker]

It's a strange one with used bikes, there is always a glut of decent low mileage examples out there, bikers seem to swap and change their rides, not because there is anything wrong, they just fancy a change! I've done it all my riding years! 😄 In all my 48yrs 😯 of riding I reckon I've had just half a dozen new bikes, but many pre-owned machines, Great deals are always out there if you're prepared to do the footwork, take care you two 🤩

[@ontheroadadventure]

I lost count how many bikes i have had now lol - We want to experience them all i guess. We are all motorcycle Addicts!

[@Hinckley_Biker]

@@ontheroadadventure How True! 😁

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@Hinckley_Biker Might aswell own it lol

[@andrewmason2879]

Hi both of you, I think the trouble is at the moment buying a used bike if your doing it on finance the APR is ridiculous it’s cheaper a month buying a new one unless your buying one cash 👍👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

Yes you could be right there, we saw offers for 2% apr on new bikes, that’s hard to ignore

[@jackkruese4258]

You could always put it on an interest free credit card for 18, 24 months. Initial 1-2 % introductory rate.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@jackkruese4258 Good budgeting skills there 👍

[@stevetaylor8698]

It's always been easy to have bikes on finance - it's also the most expensive way to buy anything. I hit seventy years last year and in 50 years of motorcycling have never actually bought a new bike. Bought one or two with just a couple of hundred miles on them but never actually new. I always let someone else take the hit of depreciation - which is always greatest in the first year or so, and wherever possible, buy from private owners rather than a dealer.

[@funkypumps1970]

I think it's a generational thing , in my 50's and brought up that if we couldn't buy we didn't have , but I suppose people think differently today , love your video , I've subscribed , I'm still on a two stroker 💯👍🏼❤️

[@ontheroadadventure]

Yes, everyone wants the latest bike now and hire them on pcp. What 2 stroke do you have? Like everyone else I love the smell! We used to have a speed way track near me, the smell was amazing!

[@jasonk7072]

You've discovered the real appeal of leasing, not only do you get a new example of the latest model, when it's time to change you just hand it back and either walk away or go again.

[@ontheroadadventure]

This only works though if you don’t really ride it. I don’t think they would lease us a bike I’d need about 25k mile a year allowance

[@adrikhankant6170]

I lived in Exeter long ago, I jump from my seat when I saw speed motorcycles "I know that place!" hahah. Thank you for bring me back to those places, nostalgia is a curious thing.

[@ontheroadadventure]

There will be lots of local content on the channel for you then 👍

[@John900C]

With so little incentive to buy used, maybe there will be a collapse in used bike prices soon. A bit of a worry for dealers with large stocks.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I think that’s inevitable right now

[@Chalky29]

For me it’s actually a genuine worry when hinting of upgrading. How will I sell the bike I have. Dealers low balled so much it was an insult. I just took the hit in the end so could move on and get the upgrade

[@ontheroadadventure]

Yes and they know this tactic will work! Ideally you want to pick a bike and use it until it has no value left but we all know that never happens, we all want to change and upgrade

[@derfskittlers6125]

It's a hit on trade-in but the deal is done. No looky lews and what not.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@derfskittlers6125 Yes got to watch out for those Test pilots!

[@stuarthall2523]

Always the same this time of year. Good time to buy as dealers are quiet and want to move stock to make a few quid

[@ontheroadadventure]

It must be a hard time for them, we were only trying to shift one bike!

[@Lacehairwigs]

I recently got a kawasaki z650rs from a dealer. It was a 2023 model but 0 miles on the clock and I got almost £1k off because they were getting the new models in and lucky for me its the bike I really wanted so don't plan on changing for a few years. They even held on to it for me for 2 months while I passed my mod 2 and delivered it for free 50 miles away. Like you said it's easy to get a new bike now aways and lots of dealer deals available.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Sounds like you have a good dealer there looking after you bud 👍

[@TriumphBeezaman]

Royal Enfield always look attractive on paper but I've had three & never again. Problem after problem with them all.

[@ontheroadadventure]

What problems did you have with them? was it himalayans?

[@TriumphBeezaman]

It was 500 1:24 Bullets , electrical problems, things dropping off or fracturing , rear disc brake bolts came loose & jammed up the wheel, bolt on the crank end came loose, chain wire out in no time, handle bar mount threads gone, front brake locked solid stuck on first ride. Could go on & on, each time people say they've improved but i found different.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@TriumphBeezaman wow, sounds like my KTM 890 experience!

[@512460]

Winter I feel like you see quite a few bikes pop up this time of year, however this is also good because you know come winter you can snag a deal (as they just want rid of the bike so price also goes down) , however you just have the responsibility of cold storing it, but it's still a good deal. And some people ride all year round apart from snow so such a person would even benifit more.

[@ontheroadadventure]

We love to ride all year round, winter is definitely a buyers market for sure

[@bikingwithgrantygrant779]

I think the other issues is that pcp is becoming really big. Smallish deposite and have a 20 grand bike and as long as you meet service intervals you have the bike for like 3 to 5 years and either buy it outright or go in for another payment plan on the next new thing. Of course unless you buy it at the end, you never fully own it. However for those who just go out every now and again, the service intervals are rarely over 20 000 miles and I bet very rarely hit major ones like the 30k miles for valve clearances. I would keep it and wait for summer and sell on auto trader or take it to bike night and then put a for sale sign on it

[@ontheroadadventure]

Did you see what happened at the end of the video, we were very fortunate 😊 You are right about the pcp though, this suits most but not us due to the mileage we do each year

[@bikingwithgrantygrant779]

​@ontheroadadventure I missed that end bit. Great that you sold it :) I am like ypu, I like to put miles on my bikes. Your one looked well looked after and an absolute bargain. I hope the new owner takes good care of it

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@bikingwithgrantygrant779 Yeah I’m a firm believer that if you look after your bike it will look after you, I spend far to much time cleaning them!

[@teneretraveller8980]

PCP. Buy a new bike on pcp, for low monthly repayment, have to get it serviced at the dealer, in 3 years give it back, walk away or start another pcp. No wonder dealers are smiling so much. And make list prices so high its hard to buy them outright. There aren't many incentives to buy outright. Although i do because i kerp them and usually put miles on them. Good watch Ride safe and happy travels

[@ontheroadadventure]

Id hate to see what my monthly payments would be on PCP when i tell them i want 25k miles a year included!

[@teneretraveller8980]

@@ontheroadadventure scary, no doubt.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I may ask for a quote next time im at the bike shop and see what they tell me! Probably to go away lol@@teneretraveller8980

[@sausagesandwichSA]

Same here (oz) some selling easy some not. Prices for used as we all know were ridiculous due covid shortages not long ago 👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

And now dealers want to try to maintain those prices!

[@PatrickWhitaker-ls2cs]

Buy used privately is my advice, dealers just rip people off on px and trade ins. You're just funding their car style showrooms and sales people that lie and know fuck all about bikes.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Sadly I have met motorcycle salesman who amaze me when they tell me they don’t actually ride bikes themselves lol

[@jaccar2020]

Stopped taking finance out on bikes 35 years ago when the finance outlasted the bike, never again i said as i was left without a bike for over a year.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow how did that happen? What bike was it?

[@chrishart8548]

It happens often if you bought 5 years old. By the time you had finished it was 10 years old. Often things didn't last 10 years. Even if it did by the time it was paid off it was time to start looking again. I believe they are doing used bikes on a PCP now. It's a bloody never ending treadmill for people who borrowed to purchase.

[@ontheroadadventure]

They want us on that treadmill so make it really hard to refuse the deals

[@C.A.MARSUPIAL]

I'm in Australia and own a 2021 Duke 390 . You can buy a brand new 2022 model here for $6,800 Australian dollars. I was offered $3000 for my Duke which was a year and a half years old at the time. Ridiculous. So I would sell my Duke privately for $4.500 Australian dollars because people like you said might as well buy new otherwise. You can't sell for the same price as a dealer because they also offer some sort of warranty.

[@ontheroadadventure]

It is becoming a rock and hard place type situation

[@davidaston1644]

I've never had a new bike in 45 yrs. It's a good job some people buy them though because obviously.......

[@ontheroadadventure]

You must have strong will power to resist the new models each year!

[@motobickers1584]

Spring is the time for selling used bikes (always go private). People just start thinking about getting back on the road...closest to the start of Summer is the sweet spot. People will pay silly money in that small window.

[@ontheroadadventure]

All done now 👍

[@chrishart8548]

That when I always sell mine. Get a fresh mot sell at the start of the summer.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@chrishart8548 I think it could be a wise plan

[@mrburn6119]

Hi, I thought that was marsh barton at the beginning. Totally agree that the used market for bikes over 4-5K and 'common' bikes is stagnant and not moving, and agree that finance seems to be the choice for a lot of people. Except for unusual/rare(ish) bikes . I use a kmx 125 2T daily and in the 5 years I've had the smoker they have more than doubled in price, and actually selling for 3-4 times what a new one cost in 86

[@ontheroadadventure]

You are lucky with your bike then! Sit on it for as long as you can!

[@mrburn6119]

@@ontheroadadventure ♥

[@ontheroadadventure]

This isn’t your only bike I’m guessing?

[@africa_twin_for_the_win]

We appear to be following each other around, I was in Marsh B for new tyres and a service and first MOT on the AT at Bridge over the weekend. I can't fault either place. Bridge seemed keen to talk to me about a new Suzuki VStrom and Tiger but hey, I've got an AT why would I switch? Having said that, the newish 2023 AT over the road was tempting but I stopped myself. Plans for Rome are ongoing, my thoughts are I'll do the tolls heading through France to the Alps then switch to no-toll roads in Italy and on the way back. I picked up quite a few tips from your Rome series. All the best. Andy.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Awesome trip, youll love it, but if we were to do it again, we would allow more time and avoid all the toll roads, they really sucked

[@MICHAELBURKE-u1d]

Always buy used with full service history, save yourself a fortune

[@ontheroadadventure]

Only if you’re patient enough to wait for the new models to be a year or two old! You are right though!

[@sunnysideofthestreet39]

It's the same in Japan. I've a number of friends here who can't get rid of their old bikes. You even see bikes abandoned here and there.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow that is unbelievable - How is the economy situation there currently?

[@sunnysideofthestreet39]

@@ontheroadadventure pretty poor to be honest. Cost of living rising and wages staying stagnant! Good if you’re a tourist though cause the yen is cheap 😉 Sadly we’re not tourists 😂 Just a lucky couple enjoying our bike life!

[@sunnysideofthestreet39]

@@ontheroadadventurep.s. Nikki loves the triumph Tiger. If only you were in Japan 😅

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@sunnysideofthestreet39 We would love to come and ride in Japan, what areas are the must see for biking, not interested in cities

[@sunnysideofthestreet39]

In that case, I hear Kyushu in western Japan is the best. We are in Osaka and we always aim for the countryside!

[@Matt-vo1ge]

My experience with a "Full Service History" was that time constrained dealers mechanics had left it needing a lot more attention than someone who owned it and gave a shit.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I would far rather service my own bike always! No one cares about your bike like you do

[@davidmacgregor5193]

Benelli isn't a new brand, the company was originally founded in Pesaro, italy in 1911, I own a 1980 Benelli 900 Sei, one of those rare across the fram six cylinder jobbies. I haven't ridden any of the Benelli's built after the Chnese buyout, I do fancy trying out the Benelli 752 S just to see how it rides.

[@ontheroadadventure]

That is a very fair point! I guess I mean to say they are becoming a main player now alongside some of the larger jap brands in the uk. I am going to make a point of testing some of these bikes myself and will make some review videos on them soon

[@tokairic3925]

Maybe the dealers wouldn't have a warehouse full if they put realistic prices on them and put some effort into selling them. Too easy for a salesman to sell a new bike on a payment plan and cash in on the commission.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Strange tactics they seem to have right now, it’s like they don’t want to sell us the bikes!

[@AliG-iq4gd]

Dealer has too many overheads to buy a bike at any sort of pallatable price. Trade in might be slightly better. Bottom line with newish S/H bikes is that NO-one has the savings to spend £10k (say) on a bike - but they CAN afford £200/month for a PCP. The sums don't have to stack up - it's the only way they get a bike.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Very sad but true I think

[@justincarter2224]

Came down from Newcastle going to Cornwall and stopped at the triumph dealer you went too, it is without doubt the most flash dealer I’ve ever been too, as for the Sena coms they are rubbish

[@ontheroadadventure]

Bridge Motorcycles is a good dealer but it is Premium Price. But they are so helpful and offer good customer service. Our Senas have been returned again! What do you use instead? We are thinking Cardo or Interphone

[@justincarter2224]

I’ve got the one that’s built into my Neotech 2 which cost nye on £300 doesn’t want to connect to any non Sena products the buttons are impossible to use with gloves. Haven’t had the water proof issues as it’s built in. Have to put up with it as cannot afford anything else and am interested to see how you get on with your replacement. Great videos by the way, made me chuckle when you looked at the sandy hill thinking could you get up it😂

[@ontheroadadventure]

We considered the built in Senas but this means you need to buy a new sena when we replace our lid each year too. Becomes a expensive hobby. Glad your enjoying the vids, We all get these silly ideas im sure of it!@@justincarter2224

[@audiguypaul6004]

I think PCP and low APR finance on new bikes doesn't help the 2nd hand market. I sold a Harley to a dealer in March for 9k, I'd advertised it at 10k and not a sniff, dealer had it without the Mustang seat which i sold for £450 so was happy, the dealer had it up at 10.5k, he still has it and now its £9950 plus he drove 300 miles to collect it. Now is the worst time to sell.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I think you did well out of that one, The Dealer could be sat on the bike for a long time!

[@Raf13Raf11]

I keep my FJR on autotrader for 3 months last winter and price was 3000£, not single call. I take it back to place where i got it and px it for my GS and they pay me 3500£??? They sell it for 4750£ after 2 months??? I don't understand that ...

[@ontheroadadventure]

That is madness!

[@philipbell3187]

I have a Yamaha virago 750 from 1993 and no dealer would touch it as it’s to old , then I put it on eBay starting bid at £1,600 , when the bid finished 2 people were interested in it, I had to let one person down and the person who wanted it said will you accept £1,700 for it , yes i said only to here they live so fare away from me, then he told me it would cost him £300 to get it home , then asked me to reduce it more, I ended up not selling the bike , but this July I bought a new rebel 500 and love it , so the virago can stay in the shed and I will see what happens in April next year, I haven’t been to Exeter since I was down there on a government training course for the disabled, this was back in 1980 , I have been told where I was training the place has been demolished and houses are there now , sir Douglas bader was the patron saint of st, love’s college , I loved walking along the river x and caching the bus to exmouth .

[@ontheroadadventure]

Some bikes you are just as well to hang on to and use it in bad weather etc or perhaps make it a project bike? We have lots of videos around Devon, Thanks for joining us, hope you enjoy our videos

[@cbrider726]

BTW just subed👍👍👍First time on your cannel . Love it . Thanks 👍👍👍👍👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

Thanks for Joining us on the road! You got some catching up to do now 👍

[@markellott5620]

The last time I bought a used bike, it was an emergency as mine had been stolen and I needed something quick until the insurance was all sorted. I ended up spending hundreds putting right the previous owner's bodges. Never again.

[@ontheroadadventure]

It can be a real lottery buying used.

[@RepairandRideout]

Hi guys, great channel and a really informative video. Good luck with the sale

[@ontheroadadventure]

Thanks so much for joining us on the road 👍

[@flippy66]

New on PCP is the way to go. You can get the 1300GS with £3k deposit for £190p/m. And there will definitely be residual in it at the end of the 3 years. The 800GS is a £2K deposit and £90 p/m! It's a no brainer compared to the used prices at the moment unless you want to own the bike outright.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I do agree these are very tempting offers, but i suspect they wouldnt offer that deal to us, whats the mileage cap on a deal like that?

[@dockerandy]

Wrong time of year to sell bikes... wait until spring,... april time, dealer offered me 5 grand for my old bike, sold it privately for 7.5k so don't sell to a dealer, you'll lose too much of your hard earned cash !

[@ontheroadadventure]

Thats good advice if you have the room to store the bikes and wait, we were lucky to have sold the Triumph just after recording this

[@goldilocks913]

We have several CMC motorcycle branches near me and the prices for second hand are so ridiculously high still.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Does that push you more to consider new?

[@goldilocks913]

@@ontheroadadventure Definitely, especially some of the new stuff that’s come out. I’d never go the PCP route though, I’m not a’new model chaser’ type 😂

[@gazmoto]

That’s because they are selling finance not bikes, bikes are just a commodity to get you into a finance deal 👍

[@goldilocks913]

@@gazmoto good point 👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@gazmoto That is very true, the money is in the finance and services

[@dhc8guru]

Motorcycle market is collapsing faster than the car market. Manufacturers are supplementing low interest rate loans to move bikes. With sub 2% interest rates for three years is only about $400 in finance charges on a $13k bike loan. Currently if you put $5000 in a high interest savings account for three years at the current rate of 5%, you’ll make $788. So you better off to take the $5k buying a used bike, take the low interest loan and in three years you be up $388.($788-$400 finance charge)

[@ontheroadadventure]

Makes you wonder how it will be in a few more years?!

[@dhc8guru]

I suspect it will be real bad in a year and in two years hopefully it will be on the recovery.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Let’s hope you’re right, but two years before recovery may well be optimistic?

[@dhc8guru]

@@ontheroadadventure not everyone will stop buying new. Those who do buy will buy the more expensive brands. If you remember during the 08 crash, Ducati saw sales remain the same or even a slight rise sales.

[@ontheroadadventure]

This is true, it does not effect everyone the same

[@letmeoffthisplanet6208]

Bikes are like soft top cars when it comes to winter.. Wait a few month and it'll sell.

[@ontheroadadventure]

You didn’t see the end?

[@noveltycurtains]

Im in the market for Yamaha tenere, im going to hold out until jan/feb.. not sure whether to buy new as i dont like being charged silly money for a 600 mile service ...

[@ontheroadadventure]

For me, Yamaha is No1 when it comes to reliability, i wouldnt be too worried about trying to retain the warranty. I have Reviewed the Different models of the T7 on the channel you may like to watch them and see my thoughts kzbin.info/www/bejne/aomphXWcjLyhY7ssi=yGOGvMuaxkPyLswt

[@pujapete3665]

recently bought a 2022 monkey for £3000 with lots of moneys worth of extras less than 1000 mls still under warrenry.paid £100 more then the shop offered against a ducati scrambler.great little bike and big savings.keep searching and you will find.dont be in a hurry.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Awesome how do you like the monkey bike? We would love one each and go on a mad tour on it!

[@pujapete3665]

love it,well put together,nippy enough grunt and alot of fun.im 6 ft and it fits me ok.i have 4 speed grom as well.the 5th gear makes alot of difference.@@ontheroadadventure

[@ontheroadadventure]

You must struggle to pick a bike to ride each day!?

[@absolutemoto]

Totall wrong time of year to sell. No-one will spend especially just before christmas. Leave it until just before summer. It will sell no problem

[@ontheroadadventure]

Strangely it sold right after we filmed this on ebay! Funny how things work out

[@absolutemoto]

Awesome! I would never buy new again. There's always someone who blings a bike out with all the mods and then sells it with very low mileage.🤷‍♂️ I just wait for those👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

a good Tactic! @@absolutemoto

[@tomnorris1734]

No. New is not the way to go. Not because I don't want an new bike but because I don't like all the new rubbish they come with. 6 axis IMU. Switchable riding modes, radar cruise control, active suspension etc. Keep it. I don't want it. I'm currently in the market for a cbr1100xx, ideally an early carb'd version but I also don't mind a newer one. By the way, I'm 33. I just don't want all this rubbish. If I wanted my bike to be totally safe and electronically controlled I'd just use my car. I want to RIDE my bike. Not just sit in it

[@ontheroadadventure]

The beauty of motorcycles is the huge range of bikes available and the fact that we all like different things keeps it interesting. If I could have numerous bikes I’d have an old 1998 Fazer in the garage for similar reasons

[@dumptrump3788]

I've given up on used bikes. As an example I've been looking at a Dual Sport & I can find NEW KLR650s for $5500, then compare this to used, 1 year old with 3,000 miles, advertised for $5500 "FIRM". It's no contest, IMO.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Do you PCP?

[@FFVoyager]

Not just modern bikes - was at the Charterhouse classic bike auction at Haynes a couple of months ago. While some bikes made good money an awful lot failed to get any interest or bids close to the reserve.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Why do you think that is?

[@FFVoyager]

@@ontheroadadventure the '40 year rule' still stands. People want the bikes (and cars!) they desired when they were young - so as they reach 60 and have spare money, they buy them. As they pass 70 they think they won't use them that much anymore and try and sell them. The further you get from the '40 year' gap the less interest the vehicles get. Obviously some iconic examples will continue to make good money but, 40 years ago when I started riding, old riders were really chasing pre-war bikes. How much interest is there in a BSA J12 these days? But if you have a clean Katana or CBX 1000 you'll probably still get big money! But I wonder what they will get when they try to sell on in 2030? I know someone who bought a tatty Vincent Rapide about 10 years ago for around £23,000. His argument was they 'never lose money'. He's restored it (£££) and enjoyed using it but a similar example went through Charterhouse in the spring and it sold for £25,000. Financially he would have been 'better off' leaving the money in a savings account! He's 'lost' a lot of money for his grand total of 4000 miles riding! 😆

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@FFVoyager oh dear not good on the Vincent. Modern bikes probably won’t be still going in 40 years! The software and tech will have moved on they will be like trying to maintain old computers

[@FFVoyager]

@@ontheroadadventure I've heard that about the latest bikes for all my 45 years riding. Probably won't happen - folk find ways of fixing things! What might stop people using the bikes we have now is the end of fossil fuel vehicles - while petrol will still be available in 10 years time, who will want to run a petrol station with few customers? What price will the fuel be? You can't live on old people turning up on sunny Sundays.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@FFVoyager I hope to be one of those old boys on an old fashioned petrol bike one day!

[@davidgreen6393]

Went to Bridge to look at a used Africa Twin & trade my GS1200, He offered next to nothing as they send them to other dealers. Asked about 2 bikes they had for sale and the poor condition of the rims, the guy juat said that's tough, ON A 10 GRAND BIKE , REALLY. I found an Adventure Sports Dct with 5k on an 18 plate, Robspeed GRIMSBY, MOT'D SERVICED AND COURIERED FOR £9200 MINT

[@ontheroadadventure]

Some things are just meant too be bud, that one at bridge was not meant for you

[@michaelp998]

Most cannot afford an out right purchase, but a monthly payment plan is easier on their pocket.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Agreed, PCP motorcycle renting seems to be the viable option for people to own the latest big brand bike but why are people not considering the smaller brands at a third of the cost

[@kfan874]

Prices have deliberately been inflated to deter cash buyers and force PCP on buyers, but the interest rate is where the rip off lies

[@stevie764]

My Thoughts on this subject differ greatly. I personally refuse to give dealers any money, coz their there for one thing. To rip you off. The GS in the video for example 2015 8yrs old, 31k miles and over £7K for it is mental. If It had 5000 miles for this price would still be too much. And why would anybody p ex any bike on a new one at a dealer. It's just crazy. People that swap every couple of years on a new one is just throwing money to the dealer, and boy do they love this kind of customer. Yeah they treat you like royalty, free coffee and you our best customer and all that twoddle. Course you are, they making a fortune from you. If you buy the right bike it will last you your lifetime if you care for it. And Finally, you need help if you get a "egg foo young Chinese" bike... Please don't

[@ontheroadadventure]

I do agree with you the ideal is to buy one bike and use it till it don’t run anymore, but…. Most of us can’t resist a nice shiny new bike!

[@JR1.93]

Only bike I've bought new was a Kawasaki Z250SL when I lived in Thailand. 120,000 THB or about £2300 at the time. The same bike in the UK was £4500. I'm currently riding an FZS600 I paid £700 for 2 years ago and its been fantastic. Plenty fast enough as any biker I come across will confirm 😅 I want an S1000r but prices are silly, so maybe I'll just keep my bargain.

[@ontheroadadventure]

I love the Fazer 600, I had a few of those like you at bargain prices

[@anthonydowling3356]

Bet you rode a few Hoes in P-A-T-T-A-Y-A ;-)

[@ontheroadadventure]

Apparently a three some is like winning the lottery…. 6 balls 😉

[@susanowen5505]

I did part exchange my CB500F for the new Triumph tiger 660 sports. They sold my old bike about 6 months later. However, I love this bike, which had been named Tigger.

[@ontheroadadventure]

My old GT pro was called Tigger! You’ll see him on some of our earlier videos. Great bike 👍

[@volt8684]

Never had new bike or car and saved thousands and thousands compared to mates. I wouldn’t buy a triumph of any description as much as I desire one but friends experience of electrics and dealers in particular just not for me. Mind u am a suzuki owner and £449+ vat for interim service. I will say goodbye to my warranty ( bought at 18 months old) and service myself. Not long found site. V enjoyable thanks. I also think the mkt for bikes is shrinking as old uns like me are retiring.( not me) I paid less than £6k for 1 yr old v strom 2k miles privately. Owner bought new 1 yr later offered him £2k less than paid. My good their bad

[@ontheroadadventure]

You got a fantastic deal on your bike! a good buy! so would you prefer a used Suzuki or buy a new Bike Like a Benelli at the same value?

[@T3-RIDER]

I did finance once on a ktm duke 125, came with warranty 2 years, after 2 engine rebuilds and a slew of problems the ktm dealer wouldnt even buy it back with only 7k miles because it was unreliable 💀, now i ride a 650 bandit k6 witb 37k miles, iv done 16k miles in 1 year and only had to swap the battery...old is gold!

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow, Although in Fairness this IS the KTM Experience! I bought a 890, Check out my KTM 890 Owners Experience and youll see you are not alone! Never Again! You just cannot go wrong with a used Bandit. That bike will last you a lifetime!

[@T3-RIDER]

@@ontheroadadventure it's very unfortunate, I loved ktm and when I past my test, I was about to bite the bullet and buy a 790 duke, i don't know why ktm are so unreliable, they are amazing bikes when they run, its few and far between though, iv noticed though ktm fan boys get very upset when you tell the truth about the brand, I'll never buy a modern motorcycle again, God bless

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@T3-RIDER I was the same I wanted it to be good so badly I wanted to defend the brand and KTM name but the bike was a liability in the end. It’s the same story with the Harley boys lol, you try telling them it will rattle itself apart they won’t listen, not even when picking their bits off the road 😉😂😂

[@ogasi1798]

prices soared at a stupid rate and people got used to robbing folk, people don't want to pay scalping prices anymore - that is how i see it. My example based on personal sales, i recently sold a 450mx bike for 2k, same bike everyone else is asking 3.5k - pure scalpers, the thing is i could have held onto it and hoped i would find a fool like these others seem to want to but why? i paid 3.5k 7 years ago, normal to lose 2k or more over that time. Perhaps people selling 2nd hand need a quick assessment of whether they actually want to sell or just have something depreciate under their eyes, 2 very different prospects

[@ontheroadadventure]

Hard times indeed, everyone wants to take what they can and more

[@kevinmurtagh3434]

The market has gone very quiet . I think the Koviddf bubble has come to the end, even some classic have become cheaper.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Well We are all in need of more affordable times i think

[@N269]

Wot gets me is when you turn the handlebars, the headstock still points forward.... like them Speed thingies and their bug eyes... absolutley horrible.

[@ontheroadadventure]

On the tiger you mean? I guess all bikes have their own characteristics and it’s a good thing that we all like different things, this created the diversity in motorcycle designs

[@N269]

@@ontheroadadventureYeah, if we all liked the same things, what a boring world. BTW, I don't like cucumber - YMMV. Best

[@ontheroadadventure]

I wonder what colour GS we would all be on in that world?! Triple black is my guess!

[@neilmackinnon3371]

During and immediately after covid the market was starved of new bikes, so s/h bikes sold like mad. Until recently my 2015 VSrom 650 was still seemingly worth near what I paid for it, despite me nearly doubling the miles on it. Now there are plenty of new bikes, loads of new models being released...oh and winter is on the doorstep. That said, bargains will always sell and Ewa's Tiger was an absolute bargain. As for new with finance.... that's not an option for everyone, not me that's for sure as a retired person on a budget. I have to buy canny, ex demo bikes or recent s/h. Now if I was after a R1250GS, around about now would be the time to go hunting... cash in hand.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Yes Now is the time to buy the 1250 GS for sure, or a old Himalayan for that matter! Would you consider a PCP deal or a new Royal Enfield for example over a used Triumph?

[@neilmackinnon3371]

@@ontheroadadventure I wouldn't consider a pcp deal at all. Finance suits many people, but now that I am retired, if I can't afford it, I can't have it. I'd prefer a used bike, an ex-demo is ideal but equally a well looked after low mileage older bike would suit me just as well. If I was after a 1250GS, I'd be looking for the oldest bike with the lowest miles... and a FSH.

[@ontheroadadventure]

We are not realy fans of the GS, We will leave it for our later years! @@neilmackinnon3371

[@neilmackinnon3371]

@@ontheroadadventure me neither, but at the NEC this week the new 1300 was buried in a sea of bald heads and grey hair ...all day! Nuff sed!

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@neilmackinnon3371 😂 And so this was why we will stick to our twins for now!

[@richardgiles2484]

I've never done finance and can't see the point in it. If I can't afford it, I don't have it 😂 I know guys that can't do a trip they would like to do because it will go over the mileage allowance 😢

[@goldilocks913]

The insurance companies are getting really cute on the annual mileage and if you go over and claim they can add a surcharge ( mines £250)

[@ontheroadadventure]

Wow, that PCP lark would not work for us with the miles we do!

[@ontheroadadventure]

Very expensive for our mileage!

[@davidodonnell5376]

Went into Honda to trade in my 22 Forza 350 against a new Cb500x and they weren't interested in taking it.

[@ontheroadadventure]

It’s like they are all full of used bikes and can’t sell them quick enough either

[@martinhughes9769]

PCP seems tobe the choice for so many, Someone I know traded in 2021 bonneville 2400 miles from new for a Tiger 900 in July 23, that bike was like new its still sitting in the Triumph showroom in South Wales, Lots of people haven't got the finances even for HP or PCP, unfortunately life is difficult for many , So many dealers are asking stupid costly percentages on their finance deals, it would make sense if these were lowered some people may be tempted, suzuki was offering a while back under 3% most triumph dealers are up nearly 9% If the bike market is becoming stagnant manufacturers need to offer something for the market to shift stocks,

[@ontheroadadventure]

We tend to agree with you. The current situation with cost of living is causing things to change and they need to adapt and overcome

[@wl660]

The interest rate they charge generally relates to the Bank Rates and RPI/CPI. If they lower finance rates, they would need to raise the cost of the bikes even more.

[@martinhughes9769]

@wl660 don't know about they would need to increasethe costof the bikes , bht im not in finance ,strange how Suzuki can do it , and give 7 years warranty, providing you keep up the service, It's a rip off,

[@ontheroadadventure]

Just can’t win in the finance at the moment, seems to be fewer good deals about

[@ontheroadadventure]

Suzuki are brining amazing offers to the table, the V strom at our local dealer has amazing deals and luggage including

[@theteedoo]

Good video, please make more..Its interesting and informative, funny.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Awesome thanks for joining us. I think youll find some of our other videos funny too. try the camping ones for example!

[@southhillfarm2795]

There’s an over supply of motor bikes hence the price drops. I know in Canada where I am I can pick up a good Motorcycle for little money.

[@ontheroadadventure]

It’s a funny time right now, the shops are full to the brim here

[@paulwaite6221]

I think a lot is to do with finance, you can get a lot of ok new bikes like Royal Enfield, BSA and a whole heap of really good Chinese bikes for a pitence on finance and nearly new bikes have loads of electronics that are normally there week spot. I only just past my DAS and i can't get test ride with a dealership until ive had my licence 6months but im thinking at the 6k mark would i be best buying a new RL or a vintage bike. I like lots of peeps are nervous of buying a nearly new bike with all the electronic bits that have the potential to cost an arm and a leg to fix .

[@ontheroadadventure]

Royal Enfield Interceptor would be a good start. So the debate is.... Do you buy a New RE interceptor or a used Triumph Bonnie for example for the same money

[@paulwaite6221]

@@ontheroadadventure yup that's about the long and tall of it ! I just want an all year round bike come hell or high water I can ride . The only weather I haven't ridden in is snow, well not yet

[@ontheroadadventure]

Awesome! Did you get out over Xmas? We are still riding despite the weather!

[@paulwaite6221]

@@ontheroadadventure yes fella had a nice boxing day ride out. And back to work tomorrow morning so i will be riding to work at 4am. Hope you had a good XMAS and ride safe

[@ontheroadadventure]

Be careful tomorrow, not sure where you are but it’s bloody wet and windy here right now!

[@PaulDobson-d2c]

Just had a similar experience. Moving away from bikes due to circumstances and was looking to buy a new scooter. Wanted to part ex two bikes for the scooter due to my low useage/mileage. Ended up getting a good and v fair deal against one of the bikes going in etc, but re the other they literally wanted me to hand it over for nothing. Not wishing to be political but I recall around 2019 and brexit in stalemate, reading about car and bike manufacturers warnings about new vehicles snd subsequent soaring used market prices. Press etc thought it was all scaremongering but it has indeed happened. Other external factors of course are also at play.

[@ontheroadadventure]

There’s allot going on at once and it’s having bad effects

[@wioleta7058]

Hello my friends

[@ontheroadadventure]

Hi how are you doing? is it Snowing in poland now?

[@AntaresSQ01]

Depends on thebike, but with some bikes there is barely a drop in price. Like would I want to buy a 21 plate KTM 890 Adventure with 5000 off road miles on it for 9.5k, or buy a brand new, upgraded 23 plate for 11k with 2 years warranty? It's a no brainer! But then other bikes like their KTM 1290 GT, a 2022 model is unchanged to the 24 model and can be found used for 12-13k, whereas brand new with extras they can kiss the 20k mark.

[@ontheroadadventure]

On that note…. I bought a 890 adventure new for exactly this reason….. By far the worse bike I ever owned! You can see my ownership review on the channel

[@AntaresSQ01]

@@ontheroadadventure I haven't seen your video this just sort of popped up, but based on your videos without going into detail you got the typical unlucky KTM luck of the draw. KTM's either fail early or they last forever, fortunately with the former you have warranty. I own a 1290 GT and know many people that own KTMs, I have also ridden a variety of KTMs, and there is no question the 890 adventure is hands down the best bike in the class. I've ridden a few and never had any issues, took one for a 1500 miles trip around romania with off roading and it was faultless, and also ridden a 2022 1290 SAS with 43k(!!!!) miles on it, and I could honestly not tell the difference between that and the demo bike i've ridden at the showroom. I suggest you don't put the KTM down for bad luck in terms of ownership, it's one of those where it's easy to get a lemon and it's not what you want out of a new bike, but once the issues are sorted it'll be unbreakable.

[@ontheroadadventure]

My experience was ruthless, severe faults, and a list of problems with the bike within a few days of ownership. I’d never look at another KTM after that I’m afraid.

[@davidheaney9249]

More second hand choices for me .. cheers mugs

[@ontheroadadventure]

PCP is providing warehouse loads of options of used bikes all over the country!

[@simonspencer397]

Yeah, carry on paying 90% of the new price for used, mug.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@simonspencer397 damned if we do…. Damned if we don’t!

[@StephanCRF1100]

Great video, as always. Great news that you sold the Tiger. Congrats. Keep up the nice vids.

[@ontheroadadventure]

Thanks Stephan, Funny how these things work out

[@FREE_PUREBLOOD333]

End of season always slow with sales..spring time then they sell. Its always been that way. It will sell to the right person privately. 👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

Strangely it sold right after we filmed the video on ebay. But maybe things are changing in the motorcycle market, with such affordable bikes coming onto the market and PCP offers, Are used bikes now less appealing?

[@FREE_PUREBLOOD333]

@@ontheroadadventure Wow good timing...pleased to hear you sold it ok . Someone will be giving that a good home and adventures next year hopefully.. I've only ever bought used bikes myself. Too much depreciation on new cars n bikes for me.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@FREE_PUREBLOOD333 Yes they bought it to take on a Portugal tour so it will certainly be used!

[@jamesw7565]

I live in NZ and the markets is very expensive even used.

[@ontheroadadventure]

What do you think the cause is?

[@jamesw7565]

@@ontheroadadventure it’s a small market in a country far away plus most bikers are lot older and as such money is not an issue. For example a lot of riders go on Harleys which are a very expensive bike.

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@jamesw7565 Problem with this though is it means motorcycling will be a dying trade…. If young people cannot afford to have bikes what will happen in the future? That’s why the Chinese brands are beginning to do well

[@japfourme381]

Many new bikes are horrendously overpriced, so much so that the ordinary folk on the street can’t afford to buy one, even if they wanted too! I think this is the reason some manufacturers are mass producing smaller engined models with less cylinders, so as to make them available to the masses!!

[@ontheroadadventure]

Smaller cc bikes are sure getting popular now, the costs are so much lower

[@iangriffiths9930]

Smaller Cc bikes are more practical 👍

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@iangriffiths9930 We got large cc bikes for doing huge distances but small bikes are ideal once there

[@glynhannaford7332]

Good video, but that ending left me hanging! So, after all of the doom and gloom, what changed the following day to bring about the sale?

[@ontheroadadventure]

No idea! Funny how things turn out, the day after filming someone called and came to buy it from the eBay listing

[@glynhannaford7332]

@@ontheroadadventure Great job. 👍 That Africa Twin sounds a fab bike!!

[@ontheroadadventure]

@@glynhannaford7332 so far loving them !