Whats Happening to my Stihl ms500i. Buckin' eats crow. you were right.

www.ripsaw.sho... Stihl ms500i
I listened to what you said , and you were right . old dogs can learn new tricks

[@thommythomson2483]

Hey Buckin, not shure if you ran the calibration completely. If you don‘t your saw definitely needs a lot of constant cutting for self calibration . The calibration procedure as supposed by stihl is as following. 1. Let the saw warm up (doesn’t matter if it idles or revs up) 2.stop the saw. 3. start the saw with closed chainbrake. 4. let it idle with closed chainbrake more than 30s and less than 60s. 5. release the chainbrake and give and hold full throttle. The saw will run automatically for about 15s in a mid speed. It then will step up to full speed by it self. You have to keep full throttle and the saw will run on full speed for about 5-10s and then automatically go back to middle speed. This tells you that the calibration is finished. After that the saw will directly run with the correct setup. Hope this will help. Stay safe and go on with your great spirit. Greetings from Germany. Benjamin

[@elpoison626]

Hey brother does this include all stills or just the 500 because I have a baby one the stihl MS 211c shoal I run these steps to calibrate??? Thanks for the advice

[@thommythomson2483]

211c does not have the M-Tronic system for self-calibration. The smallest saw with M-Tronic is the MS241. It is included in all professional saws from stihl. Greetings and stay safe.

[@elpoison626]

Thank you

[@FishFind3000]

It always takes a lot of courage to tell everyone you were wrong after fighting with them. I’m glad you took everybody’s advise and learned how this new technology works.

[@ericlarson8951]

I learn more in a 30 minute video years worth of cutting. Thank you for documenting all. By the way, I do have a new 500i.

[@rickhicks688]

They burn up

[@old_iron_axe_and_tool]

@@rickhicks688 how?

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

@@ericlarson8951 im glad it helps brother , better to lift each other,,than knock each other down

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

@@rickhicks688 operator error is very common on power saws

[@honzikkrobotu479]

One is never too old to learn. And to admit that you were wrong, that shows how humble and yet strong and selfaware person you are. It is truly inspiration Buckin', thank you. Plus I have learnt new english phrase "to eat crow", also good, haha.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

love ya Brother

[@weirdowolfstudio5409]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith I’m still impressed more with how that homelite and 394 eats.

[@boriss.861]

Buckin' You're a super humble man! Keep smilin' The look on your face is PRICELESS... it like a Lightbulb moment!!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

hehehe thx

[@SouthernItalyHomestead]

Intellectual honesty is what the world needs more of. Like Richard Feynman (Physicist) said - "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself-and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that." (speaking about what makes a good scientist but I think it's a good rule for everyone to consider). I really appreciate that you are open and honest when you feel you've made a mistake instead of being quiet about it. I don't know much about the engines themselves, so it's helpful and appreciated to have this ongoing conversation. I might even get an older saw at some point to go with my 462 M-tronic, as you've got me more interested in tuning.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

that 462 is a great saw, its all in filin' love to ya friend

[@derschnuff4565]

I got a 462 too - great saw.

[@kowski9477]

Respect ! A man that can openly admit they made a mistake gets true respect !

[@normanchilders]

okay

[@aaronneher4860]

Thanks for the videos buckin! You and tinman have taught me so much about sharpening chains, even a stock saw can blow the mind of someone who’s not used to it. I love seeing the looks on people’s face when I tell them to let the saw do the work and it just gets it done. Glad you finally came around to a stihl, and I might be on the lookout for a 372xp now!

[@canamrider7195]

I'm glad you figured it out. Finally. Last year was all new to me. I had sold all my carb saws and moved into the M-Tronics and the computer 500i. I had to learn about entirely new ways to operate them properly. Some frustrations and experimenting and it is now all good. With the 500i, I witnessed it twice pull itself thru a slowly closing cut, that would have pinched another saw. Its got that kind of power, to pull itself thru a pinching situation. Amazing!

[@jimvann2984]

I have a 500 and you are absolutely correct about the rakers on it. It love's a hungry chain for sure. When mine is in smaller wood I just don't squeeze the trigger as much. Clears it up.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

startin to make sense thx

[@kuhnstreeservices]

Had to wait 8 months to get our 500i. All stock. Love it. Didn’t know about the calibration… does one have to do that each time you shut it off? Thanks for the videos…I always learn a lot. The moment we say we know it all, is the moment we start to duress into our own little bubble…so much truth out there. Bless you Brother.

[@joebrent2762]

Thank you so much for teaching me how to listen to the saw to know what it is doing. Your knowledge is a gift that keeps on giving.... Thank you my friend. Get healthy 👊👊👊

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

glad it helps friend

[@laurarosekrug777]

This is a great day for your channel, for RipSaw, for Stihl, and for your subscribers. With all of your experience, you are still man enough to take advice from other people about how to get the most out of a saw that you were not familiar with. I’m really glad that you are seeing value in this saw. Also, I realize that you have always given tips in your videos, but it seems like you’re focusing even more now on trying to teach people of all experience levels, thank you so much! A lot of people NEVER admit that they may have been wrong about something - kudos to you buddy. AND - you don’t talk too much - the interjections are always either informational or entertaining - or both! Don’t stop😊 8:35 The teeth won’t touch the wood? I do pay attention to your videos, but I don’t quite understand it all YET.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

love you

[@laurarosekrug777]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith luv you too brother 🥰

[@mpccenturion]

I see the rakes burn. We have heavy hardwoods down here. They will blue if you let them get hot. I cut the rakes hard, when I know for sure I am the only one to start the saw. I can use the saw to pick and pile firewood. You do need to keep your leg out of the way. Now Long bars. Yeh - a cane. Have used 2 for a few years at times. Having a long bar on my saw makes sense. Thank you so much for that tip!

[@shanebrewster2384]

I’ve had my 500i for 3 years now, she’s always served me well. I run a 32” Stihl light bar and typically use skip tooth semi chisel chain ( our wood here is dirty and I like less teeth to file ) I’ve been sinking my dogs into 36”-40” diameter sitka spruce, processing firewood. It just jams. Thanks for your insight here. Very helpful with the information on loading up the saw.. kudos

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

keep up the revs brother , gives ya more oil too.. cheers

[@timothysullivan4130]

I love my 500i also run a 32 light,great saw👍

[@Thatfordtractorguy]

Yes buckin! Come to the dark side! 😂😂

[@benjamindecraene3748]

Buckin', I know this is the internet and I can't claim to "know" you, but buddy you sure seem like the kind of fella I'd look forward to bein' around. I learn something every single time I watch one of your videos. Sometimes like today, I learned that I may benefit from being a bit more humble. Thanks for that man.

[@roastntoast7550]

You are one of the best and most experienced lumberjacks in the world. I'm glad you're not so dogged and can change your mind from time to time. Stay as you are, I appreciate you for that!

[@stevetheriault4164]

GLAD YOUR SAW IS WORKING WELL BUDDY LOVE SEEING YOU ALL HAPPY AND EXCITED 😁😁✊✊✊SOUNDS AND RUNS GREAT,,AWESOME JOB RIPSAW

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thx steve

[@matthewotis3594]

Standing up and bucking grunt is good but high cutting speeds is WHAT makes the husky shine. The stihl is a dawg down and growl through saw. Both incredible saw makers

[@leonschufletowski8874]

To high raker I think will not let you cut into the wood. They’ll make dust and slow cutting. Make you push harder and then the bar and gain will heat up

[@janlesinski4719]

New technology old dog = tuff learning but your old school skills are amazing, years of experience and learning.

[@markatkinson9963]

If you pull the recoil out slowly all the way and let go,...it will bump start the saw. Save your elbow buckin! Give it a try.

[@mikeadams2339]

Does it have to be warm to start like that?

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

you bin watchin' Nick pixels joke Videos again ?

[@johnbolwell5969]

I have always loved the 500i - fabulous power-to-weight ratio making it a very versatile saw. Love it!

[@SeeMooreVids]

You’re a rarity in the field of teaching. You make no bones about changing your opinions. You are our Gift. Keep Buck’n.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

I try

[@jonathanhoekstra6174]

You’re not alone. Bought a Husky many years ago, with auto-tune. Wouldn’t run right, no shop in the Magic Valley of Southern Idaho could help. Returned it and went with a 372 x-torque. Just recently am seeing videos of how to initialize the tuning. Wasn’t on You Tube back then, thank you for sharing in your experience. Have learned so much from you and others.

[@briandugan4847]

Buckin, I enjoy taking what I learn from you into the woods. I find myself experimenting on trees I fell. Thank you.

[@rickgoodson2792]

Love the old Poulan hat! Great video! You help me out on sharpening round file practice makes perfect. Thanks again Buckin.

[@Sandberg11390]

She won't cutty!! Loving my journey with you so far! You've brought me to a much better place, I Promise you! And I thank you!! Greatly!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

wow , this is more important to me than any power saw talk .. thx friend , love wins

[@wayneanderson991]

Hi Buckin, I'm glade your getting thinks figured out with your 500i. Some patience is required to learn these newer electronic saw's as you have found. The new stihl's and the 5 series huskies are very similar, they need the calibration done to get the full potential out of the saws. I think both Stihl and Husky dropped the ball when it comes to explaining the need for the calibration procedures and how to go about doing it successfully on the new saws. I think a video with both you and Donny Walker giving a how to properly calibrate tutorial would be a great contribution to saw community. I hope the shoulder continues to heal for you.

[@cameronjanda4880]

SCAMMER ALERT - THEY GOT ME A COUPLE MONTHS AGO great video as always truly amazing your contribution to the community 👍

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thx pal

[@halba7522]

hey I'm from Poland, I really like your videos and especially those about modifying chainsaws It's a pity that in Poland no one does such tutorials and does not give advice on how to improve the chainsaw to have more power and the like. Greetings

[@jameswilson322]

Welcome , enjoy

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

hello friend ,, its all in the filin' a little ' pipe does wonders (muffler)

[@glennmoore3764]

I have a 500i love it. I love a honest man too . I’m glad you found your grove with the saw

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

i wood nt say groove but i think my understanding is much better that i gave it a chance,, thx pal

[@toddgeorge1569]

I love those big bore stihl saws!!! Great job comparing and using them… You are the real deal…

[@Knudaholic]

im just glad that you found out to run the saw, happy for you

[@michaelsellers4169]

You are truly a humble man. Also, what a great video to come back with on this saw.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thx

[@kavemanthewoodbutcher]

I came into the 500i a little differently. A few respected friends, including a Wildland firefighter, spoke very highly of it. When I bought it, the saw guy at CAL ranch told me she needed to sit and idle for a few minutes, in order to warm up and calibrate. The only criticism of my beloved saw is that using the compression release just made the saw exponentially harder to start. I don't use it and she starts just like she should.

[@R_Wyatt545]

That saw is an absolute monster! Great info and fantastic video!!

[@axesandthings483]

My rakers turn brown from friction if I leave them too high. If they're set right they seem to come out pretty clean. Not like I just filed them, but they're clean. I put up maybe 20 cords a year though, so I don't have the 10,000+ hours of experience of all you pros! I still don't trust the 500i, I'm gonna keep limping along with my 390xp and 555 for a few more years. Someday I'll make the jump to the fuel injected or big autotune saws! Cheers, big dog. Keep making the great videos.

[@toddpacheco4748]

Always a pleasure listening to you and your laughter ❤😊👍

[@jmacca27]

This is why you’re the best, always willing to learn and help! Glad you’re coming around on the 500i. They’re my favourite saw 😍🤙🏻

[@onthelake9554]

I know it sounds like four stroking ( too rich) but it's imply a rev limiter . With enough load or with a sharp chain and rakers set correctly it's gone. But hold wide open with it out of the wood and it will always be there .

[@hickerbilly345]

I almost had to turn my headphones down. He said listen to the saw so I was paying close attention then whammo. LOL.

[@tysongaff6247]

Billy I used to own a 500i and I always primed it 9 to 10 times before I started and it ran really good!!

[@troopygino]

Nice to see you happy out in the woods man!

[@outfitr9703]

I cut a lot of medium small lodgepole pine firewood. Lots of buckin not too much falling. 28' bar and LOW rakers are what I like. I want the ol 440 to pull on me!

[@antoniomorgado5304]

oh there it is! Crazy pipe on 500i!!!! Nice!!!!!! It seems the injection sistem riches the saw on small wood to protect the motor i guess?

[@tome.joyner887]

Gosh doggit Buckin, now that you admit making a mistake I guess that leaves me as the only perfect one left. Seriously though that was sure mighty kind of you to stand up and set the record straight. Love you my brother and it was so good to see you over at root rot Ronnie's!

[@justinweaver8107]

❤💪🙏

[@garycorrick]

Great video! It takes courage to admit you are wrong. I wish I could afford a 500i.

[@anthonyoverbee2049]

If rakers are high, you're not gonna get the chips to fly!! Take care Buckin and God bless!!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

haahahha

[@jeffanderson6914]

It was a pleasure watching this positive video review!! I have had a 500i from the very first shipment to the states that I waited years for. A dream saw . It does my heart good seeing a saw master enjoy this saw I love!!

[@clrd4tkoff]

OMG BUCKIN!! This was the video I've been waiting for!! I have a 500i and you just made me super happy!! I'm sending it off to Ripsaw!! 🤗🤗

[@lyndonwortley6329]

Good on ya Buckin - always nice to see a person admit when they are wrong or when they have changed their mind! Thanks for sharing your videos.

[@rushjones94]

Takes a real man to admit when he makes a blunder, and that's how ya know Billy is one of the real ones! Love your videos man.

[@tlv7257]

Glad you figured it out. I bought one of these last summer and have been profoundly happy with it. Best saw I ever owned. Cheers.

[@henningpieterjordan7416]

Hope you don't mind...im German..and STIHL is together with Husqvarna one of the best saws wordwide..never Heard from noone that there bad....!!!

[@williambaksa4859]

If your rakers are too high the saw will not take enough bite out of the wood and will act like a dull chain. More dust than healthy chips.

[@mikekuchinski1086]

Well said!!

[@paultheisen5290]

Appreciate you Billy, appreciate your videos. Stay Healthy, Stay Safe. God bless you and your family from Iowa

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

will do

[@user-sj1kz4ov8g]

I own various Stihl power equipment. One thing I found with them other than they make awesome products is they need to be loaded to perform peak. It seems like they engineered them to be that way. Even my grass trimmer is that way. Simply runs ands performs better under a heavy load. High rpm of course. I think that’s how the valved two stroke is designed to be used. Full power and fully loaded. Seems that its where they really shine and make that impressive power we want. So, I would suggest not to over buy on a big saw or any piece of power equipment made like this if you really only need to (baby) it to do the majority of your work. Buy a little smaller and push that sucker. It will perform well

[@fishaholic122]

Buck your one sick puppy, u been snorting way too many exhaust fumes but I love it!!! Ur addicted to stihl an husky dope an u gotta luv that too!!! Buck I just watched ur video from 2 yrs ago about getting clean and yes I have issues but your gonna help me and u don't even know me, THANK YOU!!

[@fishaholic122]

@@MATT.MAN-PEACE-LOVE thanks Matt, God bless

[@williamholton5150]

You’re an amazing Dude Billy Ray. Gotta say, if you have to eat crow, wear your Poulan hat.

[@m998hmmwv7]

I have two Chinese FarmTech saws John Cutters and they can and do preform equal or better than saws costing more than triple the price. Depends on who and how you use a saw.

[@dyer2cycle]

Glad you like it😀...but I still prefer something I can work on and adjust myself, maybe I'm even more old-school than you are..love those old 10-series Macs!..and the old Pioneers. As far as "modern" saws go, I think the pinnacle was the late-1980's through the 1990's, even into the early 2000's, right before strato, then auto-tune, hit. the (non-x torq) 372xp, 346xp, 262xp, 266, 288, MS 440/044, MS 460, 660 Stihls..in the smaller saws, the Stihl 020T/MS 200T and Husqvarna 242XP will never be topped....even when doing basic repairs and maintenance, I prefer simple..whether it's a car, pickup or a chainsaw...I don't care for all the extra wiring and plumbing on the new ones...

[@2fast65]

Great video Buckin crow dose not taste good but but in small amounts its good for a guy it takes a better man to admit when he is wrong have a great day be safe.

[@frostcb2]

I bought a 500i because of you way back when. It’s a beast and always will be!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

Theres the fella I was lookin for

[@harpintn]

I am an in the same age group as you are, I have figured out that I now have to read the manual when I buy something new because the technology has changed so much from what it was when I was a young man. Where I live big wood and big saws like that 500 are kind of rare, when a person does have one it is generally saved for bigger wood, and they use a smaller saw for the smaller stuff.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

hahahahaha

[@davidthomas5997]

Great to see you happy Buckin. I feel you have been in a darker place lately? Anyhow, that saw is crazy how it needs a load to sound good. Love you bud. You make my day.

[@keiththurston9024]

Picking up my new 500i today. Love your channel!

[@kena658]

That saw would be nice to try...

[@jamiedalluge9472]

For the price of one of those I can build 3-4 372's. Glad to see your happier with it now

[@timwoodger7896]

It’s seems like a good little saw but I still like my old vintage saws! There’s nothing like getting your lil screwdriver out and tuning the old girl up, it’s as if your more connected to the process and your saw. Although I do like the husqvarna 592 and wouldn’t mind a walkerized version as I never got on with the stihl 660 and sold it after a month.

[@rockkhound943]

Rakers are high the chips won't fly lol. Lots of respect for ya Billy thanks for being yourself. I love my old trucks as well an like you I treat em with respect an they will carry you an your load forever. Later dude

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

later

[@chadhenwwodschainsawswoodw2108]

at the end of the day weather its stihl or husqy or echo its a 2 stroke so when they are ported brand name dont matter

[@gregwinger6717]

Old saws were a lot heavier so you didn't need to push, or use the spikes

[@boostedsaleen6146]

Got to keep a roll of electrical tape in the tool box for them finger cuts. 😄

[@Alexhulk]

Its not the saw.. It's the heart behind it!

[@bullymaster76]

💪... you are now on the right way, healing is not only a physical process but a mental one. Interessting thing you mentioned with the rakers, factory default didn't work for me either. Thanks and keep going.👍

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

its a thing

[@elijahowens8507]

We all need some humble pie every now n then 😁

[@123gonow]

They all cut Eh ! Lighten up everyone we are all here for the show no matter what color !

[@goinwheelin]

First of your videos to show up in my feed in a long time and I’m subscribed. You must be doing something right. Keep it up Buckin

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thx wheelin'

[@danielgratz7611]

I guess after being sent to a pro shop and putting all kinds of aftermarket parts on, the Stihl does cut ok. The last Husqvarna I bought in 2006 still kicks balls and the only thing iv ever changed was the chain.

[@thenorthwoodz]

Ripsaw did a nice job on that 500, it sounds good! When you speak truth your not going to make everyone happy. I appreciate you pointing out that 4 stroking till pressure is applied. You just cant be doing that if your running a saw for 6 hours or more a day. I still am hesitant in buying into these modern day wired up injected saws. My old Huskys have done me well and still make me smile when they're sharp and running true!

[@gregprince2523]

Let yer machine warm up.... Glad to see the wing is comin around. Keep on truckin Buckin

[@CorwinBos]

Always love your great attitude. Keep up the good work! Your comment on saving energy is a key take away. As we get older, we need to be smarter.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

indeed brother.. " stand up and buck"

[@AaronTheViking250]

when the rakers are high, you will see your bar and chain bounce in an out of the cutt and potentially causing kickback. If your rackers are right, it will run its way through the wood, no problem, and clears out all of the woodchips in the cutt.

[@TheWoodsmanMilling]

I've got scars on almost every finger from my chains. I swear, shops and most people in my area don't know how to sharpen a chain. Also, my 661 will do the same thing, 4 stroking a lot, when it doesn't sit at idle for a bit before cutting. It's my go-to saw, but the 881 gives it a run for its money as my favorite. That thing is a beast.

[@aaronwendt-smith5910]

Good on you for the honest, calculated chat. I think your issue with the way the 500i behaves in small wood could be over looked totally because it simply is a big saw designed for big wood. Is just not designed for that task I don’t think. I cut allot of firewood, have 35cc/16”, 56cc/20” & 79cc/28” saws and I find it far easier to use the appropriate size saws for the size of the wood. Particularly using the small saws in small wood as is so much lighter and less fatiguing. I realise you prefer to stand up and Buck with a big saw but maybe also consider that’s not what that animal was intended for perhaps? Let it be what it is, if it wasn’t good in big wood then yeah, I’d say it was junk!

[@terrywhite9017]

Good morning Buckin Billy Ray. Fantastic. A saw with a personality... A GOOD ONE. Thank you 😊 for this BBR experience. Be watching 👀 for your next video. I'm so glad you feel like being outside running your power saws. Love you and love to all.

[@Ozarktreeworks]

My goodness, I’ve hand my 500 for a year now and have always had questions about the loading up/4 stroke noise. My questions got answered! 🤘🏻💪

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

let us know brother

[@beauthoney1656]

"I've got a back that has had a few encounters...." made me laugh knowing about some of the injuries you have sustained in your life! Stay safe!

[@scoobtoober2975]

I've run a few nitromethane rc cars and boats. That popping and cracking makes my blood boil with joy

[@dankrzeminski6370]

that 500m bucks like your pruning That thing takes no prisoners

[@kurtcooper3699]

Appreciate yr video. Im trying 2 decide between 500i & 661. Money is not an issue for one over the other. It's not going to make me a living either. I just want a new straight forward multipurpose saw for mostly under 32" diameter trees. Weight to power/performance ratio absolutely matters because I have a stihl ms170 for smaller wood/limbs under 16" or in a bucket. Be blessed.

[@glennllewellyn7369]

The MS170 has the highest power to weigh ratio of all Stihl saws. I sold mine for a pair of new boots. I am stupid. Australia

[@Beav7681]

Hey Buckin, I noticed the same thing with my ms462c-m. It 4 strokes on a lite load. So today I recalibrate and I put took my 7 pin rim off and put a 8 pin on. Saw bucks the small stuff and limbs great now.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

I try an 8

[@disturbedcarrot]

Like modern tractors compared to old. The technology is frightening. And yes, calibration is a thing there too.

[@williamdavid2417]

My journey with 500i wasn't enjoyable. Buddy purchased saw of necessity for me. I didnt know a thing about them. 8 months saw went down. For the next10 months three stihl shops and sent to parent company twice. Saw would start run at shop next morning wouldn't run. Finally figured at sensor was bad. Saw runs good now with bigger bars best. Didn't know nothing about calibrating until i just watched your video. Thanks

[@peterlubbers5947]

Hey there Buckin, let the haters hate and the muscle flexers in the comments do their thing if it makes them feel good..🙄Whatever mate, let it slide... I like this quote from Jung: "Thinking is Difficult, That's Why Most People Judge."- C.G. Jung. You stay you Buckin😎🌲🌳🙏

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

i havent seen any friend, ,,,''thinkiin is difficult '' lol

[@Chillituber]

I am in the market for a fuel injected saw. I appreciate your open and honest review. I am a hobbies with trees on my property in Minnesota. I will hopefully find a dealer that has one that I can try first.

[@smorefirewood]

My father says he thought he was wrong once, but he was mistaken. 🙄

[@jeffhovey1810]

Billy didnt I tell you NEVER cut without glasses.

[@Alexhulk]

Even with not good sharp teeth low rakers,still cut.but good perfect sharp teeth hi rakers don't cut. Sorry am french guy

[@davidfenton3910]

If the rakers (depth gauges) are left high. As their purpose is to set the depth of cut ... the depth of cut will decrease as the depth guages become higher in relation to the cutting teeth. thus The load on the engine, through the load on the chain will become less Thus The engine will rev higher. While cutting efficiency lessens. That's a basic causality chain, (ha, accidental pun) though there are more cause-effect things going on. (Depth guages makes more sense to me as a name because I think the main thing raking and moving the chips would be the cutting teeth with the depth gauges also doing this a little, though their primary purpose for being on the chain is to prevent the teeth cutting deeper than the depth gauges physically allow.) sincerely david

[@llewmatthews4828]

Yesssss. AT LAST.. you kneel before the Alter of Stihl.