Whats The Point Of Voracity? | Honkai Star Rail Lore

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@lyares6038 3 ай бұрын

6:24 the fact IPC blew up a planet just cause doesnt sound very preservation like

@vietcuongnguyenle8530 3 ай бұрын

Depend the scale Not the first time we hear about the concept sacrifice minority to protect majority

@SleonHikari 3 ай бұрын

Specially when ghey have a roster of atleast destroyin 27 planets and ten or so space colonys. And thats not includin the 'failed' attempts of rejuvinatin planets that are dealin with planet scale ecologic disasters and catastrophes

@aomafura3374 3 ай бұрын

IPC's whole ideology is pretty much wreck interstellar economy so they can monopolize it and have control over the universe's economy. Preservation is not against destroying things to preserve its agenda.

@archerkuro4158 3 ай бұрын

One of my theories is that the snake we see in jades art is the real jade and Jade is a former follower of voracity and she made a deal with diamond to be spared in return for joining preservation and that’s why she relates to Sunday

@Keran523 3 ай бұрын

If you encounter Oroboros as the Trailblazer in the simulated universe, you will be tempted to be eaten. Perhaps Oroborus is also an embodiment of the unification of all things into one, so that there can never again be violence between beings.

@chaeyoungmylove4676 3 ай бұрын

aint that just.... Xipe the aeon of Harmony???

@zeresgaming4508 3 ай бұрын

I read the thumbnail. And i thought bro is about to play the Vsauce theme.

@krazy167 3 ай бұрын

Hey vsauce, Maevix here!

@lazaruslong697 3 ай бұрын

Missed opportunity...

@rexevan6714 3 ай бұрын

*Vsauce theme*

@Maevix3142 3 ай бұрын

DAMMIT missed opportunity 😂

@awesome7006 3 ай бұрын

I presume that Ouroboros is the concept that embodies cyclical phenomenon in particular anything that arrives back at its starting value after a 2pi cycle. This is because of the complex exponential nature that Ouroboros embodies representing how imaginary numbers cycle from a pattern consisting of positive real, positive imaginary, negative real, and negative imaginary. Ouroboros is essential the circular cog that powers the imaginary tree which is precisely why Ouroboros and the path of voracity were one of the first Aeons to embody the concept of cycles. In particular, the snake that often symbolizes this is seen biting its own tail as negative imaginary quantities become positive real quantities repeating the cyclical cycle again. Ouroboros’s path is seen in the combat of this game especially with the “cycle” system featured in pure fiction and forgotten hall. Players instinctively yearn to achieve a zero “cycle” system to escape the inevitability of voracity having to repeat the content again and again. That is why most content creators advocate for zero “cycle” and zero action value clears mainly due to avoiding the concept of voracity.

@smolbeans7 3 ай бұрын

Oroboros always makes my sword ready for battle. I can take them

@lazaruslong697 3 ай бұрын

Ayo! Same, though, tbh...

@Ale-Y 3 ай бұрын

The woman in the middle would annoy a little thougth...

@chaddickhaut140 3 ай бұрын

I think Voracity is something more than mere greed or hunger, but not in the sense of adding some other concept (e g. eternity or rebirth). Rather, I think it has to do with all facets of desire: hunger, lust, covetousness, avarice, gluttony, and even aspiration and ambition. Like every other path, it can be a good and even necessary thing in proper proportion, but becomes destructive when not controlled. Indeed, it's probably the path most prone to self destruction at its extremes, as exemplified by the ouroboros symbol. Now, does the IPC follow Oroboros rather than Qlipoth? Many do, certainly, and Voracity by and large lends itself to a corporate mindset better than Preservation does (team building retreats and mission statements can only do so much). I see the situation as similar to the Xianzhou Alliance, which ostensibly follows the Hunt but harbors those with sympathies for the Abundance. In fact, one could argue that any body organized around a path will inevitably end up with members who gravitate toward that path's opposite, if only because of the tendency to focus on not being the opposite rather than positively following the original path. After all, fixation on avoiding a thing tends to lead to fixating on that thing. Voracity, then, is similar to Nihility, in that few likely actively follow the path but it ineluctably draws followers anyway (note the Trailblazer's and Herta's reactions to Ouroboros' presence in SU).

@sfjuhispst8144 3 ай бұрын

This comment got me thinking that HSR storylines are about "internal decay of ideals." On the Herta space station, blind devotion to a genius turns scientists into idiots. In Belobog sustained desperation gnaws at the city and its will to fight. (Cocolia being the personification of that process) Within the Xianzhou alliance the allure of eternal life continues to fuel groups like the Sanctus Medicus. They will rise again and again, unlikely to ever be fully eradicated, as there will always be those interested in eternal life. On Penacony the Harmony provided a breeding ground for the Order, for one is an indengrenient for the other... It's almost like every place the astral express visits has been infected with a "cancer of all worlds" or something.

@awesome7006 3 ай бұрын

I 100% agree with your theories completely because the imaginary tree literally is decaying all the time. This is primarily due to the complex exponential nature of the imaginary tree’s stem that is the superposition of cos and sin waves represented as an alteration between exponential growth and exponential decay. In particular, the branches that exist on the imaginary tree are actually complex logarithms that provide the linear solutions for the exponents regarding e. Due to there being an infinite number of solutions to the complex logarithm (e^(ipi), e^(i3pi), e^(i5pi) , and more all equal to negative1, there exists a branch located -1 on the negative x-axis for every solution to the complex exponential. These branches are isolated by branch points and that is why expies exist within the imaginary tree to represent the infinite number of solutions. Numa and Lingsha for example are two solutions for maximizing exponential oscillation regarded as the same according to the tree. Finality exists to serve as the liaison for the branch cuts within the imaginary tree to maximize the number of Aeons that can be formed. This is why manifestations of the imaginary wave such as Terminus and the cocoon are essentially just particulate forms of the finality wave. I believe the reason why the astral express express always ends up visiting a world infected with the “cancer of all worlds” is because the stellaron is actually the ovule or the seed of the imaginary tree. This seed actually contains stored imaginary energy and is the reason why Cocolia’s cosmic form is likely an embryo of an Aeon similar to Sunday’s embryo state. After all, embryo’s need the energy to grow which is provided by the stellaron. The purpose of the imaginary tree is to grow, survive, and augment itself which often involves growing fruit on its branches and leaves. These fruit are the Aeons and branches that don’t contribute to the production of Aeons are often discarded and tossed into the quantum sea.

@Tanuki-Sama 3 ай бұрын

Ouroboros is a Leviathan -rumored to be the last one- which were ancient beasts (aka space dragons) that ruled the universe before the Aeons ascended and died off during the Dusk Wars. In a way Voracity could be the primal urge of life just like they are a primal being. The things we now see as morally evil or gray are all rooted in those "savage" animal urges we had to rely on for survival. Safekeep resources and food just in case you won't have them in the future (avarice), eat until you grow sick (gluttony), spread your seed or/and find plentiful mates so as to successfully reproduce (lust), fight the neighbour for the resources you yourself don't have because you might need them more in the future and they can't be trusted (avarice and envy), ascend the pecking order of your group so you have better resources and more mates as you dominate in hierarchy (ambition). Voracity could very well represent the purest form of Survival (which also fits so well since they were the only one from their whole species to survive _ALLEGEDLY_)

@rickelmehanwinckel2699 3 ай бұрын

I think they are Just gluttony and hunger

@chaddickhaut140 3 ай бұрын

@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 the nature of Ouroboros' "lure" seems to suggest that at minimum lust is a component, but I agree there's little explicit lore to to suggest much more than hunger and gluttony. That's why the idea that Voracity contains the concept of things like eternity or rebirth seems to be a stretch in my opinion.

@gedemartha9534 3 ай бұрын

So many theories about IPC secretly bring a follower of the swarm and voracity got me thinking why Jade even has a snake, something similar to ouroboros snake.

@marcusbullock2753 3 ай бұрын

I just want a playable path of that aeon man

@BaronSamedi-zu3fn 3 ай бұрын

To me, about the renew, it made me think about a cosmic monsters in a serie (I don’t remember where). This monster was eating deaf planets and its urine was forming new planets. It could be the same for Ouroboros!

@L16htW4rr10r 3 ай бұрын

0o0

@Tanuki-Sama 3 ай бұрын

The IPC following Voracity in actuality while pretending to be under the Amber Lord's mantle is actually quite ingenious, considering Qlipoth is one of the few Eons who NEVER interacts with mortals directly (that we know) and the bitter rivalry between Ouroboros and them.

@vietcuongnguyenle8530 3 ай бұрын

Then explain how they have preservation emanator 🤷🏻‍♂️ You can’t fake this thing

@rickelmehanwinckel2699 3 ай бұрын

@@vietcuongnguyenle8530i think the ipc is more wanting to be gods than actually following some specific Path,of course they have some followers of Qlipoth but don't represent all ipc

@darealbingoxz1142 3 ай бұрын

@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 what if they are using propogation to be fake preservation

@jakeail1995 3 ай бұрын

- Taken examples of many Ouroboros theme char and reference from other honkai game like ggz and hi3, i believe Voracity true nature is "Infinity". Considering Ouroboros was a leviathan, a race of near god like, i wouldn't be surprise if they are able to see the world in a bigger picture and thought of the universe as infinite, that would manifest into it endless devouring coz to Ouroboros, the food is infinite. "Infinity" also play a part of every being mind as we would think anything will last forever until we near the end of it. - There is also the idea that to keep the world/universe function at any point in time, there need to be a force of "destruction" and i think Voracity play into that role while Ena and Qlipoth being the counter force of it. But Voracity and Ouroboros hunger was bottomless that it getting out of control, which is why it need to disappear, it is by either HooH or the hsr universe itself that did it but the result is clear that Ouroboros is no longer here

@Josh-qt5zi 3 ай бұрын

If IPC are followers of Voracity than it the very reason Eilo is against them in the first place for the most part since Kafka still use credit despite it all

@awesome7006 3 ай бұрын

This actually makes sense because the path of voracity is essentially the nature of the complex exponential function and is indirectly present in game such as the cycle feature in specific end game content. If the path of Voracity would be released in an upcoming patch as a playable character path and simulated universe blessings path, its gimmick would most likely feature advancing your characters action value as much as possible within the game. This is because the complex logarithm (the inverse of the complex exponential function) has infinitely many solutions that produce the powers to the complex exponential. Thus, to embody this infinity, it would make sense for the path of voracity to maximize the number of cycles that characters take as a cycle is equal to 2pi. Infinity is often regarded as a limit that certain functions behave such as positive infinity or negative infinity.

@rickelmehanwinckel2699 3 ай бұрын

Ouroboros din't die

@jakeail1995 3 ай бұрын

@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 and i didn't say Ouroboros die, i just said Ouroboros is gone which is still true coz ever since swarm disaster, there have been no record of Ouroboros and considering how much of walking disaster that aeon was, it is unlikely for they to just disappear without any trace for so long, which is all the info we have on the current lore about Ouroboros. Whether Ouroboros is hiding, still alive or any other theory of them so far, we just don't know until mhy reveal more so i won't be dive into the speculative side of is ouroboros still presence and hiding somewhere or somewhat alive but become fragment like Ena. All i know and will consider so far is that Ouroboros have been gone ever since swarm disaster and few aeon during that disaster did fall with unknown reason and no detail so it not a surprise if Ouroboros might have the same fate as they was very active during the disaster as well

@epicazeroth 3 ай бұрын

I think Voracity and Propagation don't have associated factions because they don't represent human emotions. Both Aeons arose from non-human species, so they have followers we just don't interact with them.

@vietcuongnguyenle8530 3 ай бұрын

Abundance and destruction and finality also not represent emotion

@willr563 3 ай бұрын

@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 All the paths you said have human emotions and followers. Abundance represents the longing for health and life. The Xhianzou story arc hits on the fact that they became a long lived species precisely because they initially worshiped Abundance and wanted eternal lives, and they are human. Humans also long for destruction, it's just that most people do it unconsciously. Thoughts like "I wish everyone died" or "I hope the world would just end" are common. Finality is also wanting to know how things end. Humans long to know the future. Imo, voracity and propagation do represent human emotions; it's just that the universe is so vast in HSR that the only followers we know for propagation are bugs. Ruan Mei is certainly interested in creating life, which touches into propagation.

@vietcuongnguyenle8530 3 ай бұрын

@@willr563 abundance represent the health state of living being , you are talking about the benefit of it to living being , not the concept itsef Destruction is not emotion, it is an action and a result At best it is a thing attract some being just like how people like beautiful thing Seeking future should belong to nous , not finality , that is a kind of knowledge , not emotion Both oroborous and tayzziroth is not being have emotion before they become aeon The only reason they become aeon of those path is because their instict Instict is not emotion , not phylosophy, it only is a system designed for one goal : survive

@rickelmehanwinckel2699 3 ай бұрын

I think they follow more the insticts, soo its almost impossible to humans being to follow It Due to the nature of these paths

@JustOnlyHallow 3 ай бұрын

Gotta love Lan, the ultimate hater, he even ascended to godhood to be more of a hater

@Gabrielrandom-l6y 3 ай бұрын

"Or is it?" (Vsauce music starts playing)

@jerryeljeremy7790 3 ай бұрын

I think this will further elaborated in 2.6 SimUni DLC "Agnostic Zone"

@solidius2224 3 ай бұрын

Oroboros is basically Caseoh of star rail

@LeaksHater 3 ай бұрын

Has the IPC=Voracity thing not have been actually mentioned in game? I dont mean as a confirmation, but as an observation? Cuz I've 100% either heard it, or had the same idea myself too.

@Mr.ChaosPollensAllAround 3 ай бұрын

I can't believe that I didn't notice that The Voracity is MEDUSA. 😑

@theepicspacemarine8684 3 ай бұрын

The way I see voracity, it's more might makes right, the strong take from the weak

@Maevix3142 3 ай бұрын

Thats a possibility as well, survival of the fittest

@Shiz.1s 3 ай бұрын

Ngl this aeon be activating a certain nuero- Nah but they look so good tho 😭

@reymeru5596 3 ай бұрын

The egypt image you used with the snake thing and the big circle is AI.

@Maevix3142 3 ай бұрын

Yes, most actual images of egyptian stuff i found was so low res itll look bad so i just put that up for illustrative purposes 😁

@reymeru5596 3 ай бұрын

@@Maevix3142 You shouldn't support using AI at all... and because it's AI it's not accurate at all. It's just bad "aesthetic" and simplified in an ugly way. A quick google search showed me plenty of good, real images. Please don't use AI in the future...

@helenewild9233 3 ай бұрын

absolutely unnecessary question, but does Oroborus have a digestive system? I highly doubt it, but it's funny to think about the meaning if the answer was yes

@Maevix3142 3 ай бұрын

If they did and thats a big if, the next question we then have to ask is.. where do the poops go?