What's My Line? - Les Paul & Mary Ford; Margaret Truman [panel] (Jun 13, 1954)

MYSTERY GUEST: Les Paul & Mary Ford
PANEL: Margaret Truman, Steve Allen, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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[@bazazpa]

I love how I start watching these when the kids go to bed just to unwind and next thing I know I've watched 10 in a row and it's 3 AM. How does that happen? Thank you for posting these! Screw sleep

[@ladya1953]

Sal Bazaz Sleep is overrated anyway.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Sal Bazaz - I do the same thing. Addictive aren't they?

[@deboraholsen2504]

Careful! It’ll catch up with you! But I’m a mom too and I know how you feel about winding down. My sleep problem with this show was the opposite though, because I have triplets and I’m a single mom, so when they were 4 and I’d watch this wonderful show to wind down when they were in bed for the night, every morning afterward, I’d wake up the next morning with the show only having been watched for about 5 minutes!! Then there would be no time in the morning! Only about once a week would I be able to watch a whole episode before falling asleep! …it was frustrating!!

[@drumbum3.142]

​@@shirleyrombough8173 Wonderfully So.. .

[@LRS905]

What I love about these shows is how elegant everyone dressed back then.

[@ignorecorporatenews]

yes, and how the audience just applauds instead of shouting and yelling "wooo" or whatever

[@ignorecorporatenews]

It's called having Class, which Americans have lost sadly

[@talenttrading]

That was such a gentle time, bennett and steve stand when a lady is presented.

[@BSNFabricating]

Everybody on this show is just so dang likable...you can tell they're having a good time.

[@sdgakatbk]

One of the things I love about this show is when John Daly gives one of his b.s. answers. Classic!

[@thomtlc2]

I love how Steve said he heard "over 18 voices over there" since Les Paul was famous for overdubbing Mary numerous times for one song. I did, however, have an issue with John for describing his guest as "they" before anyone asked if there were more than one mystery guest.

[@Traderjoe]

Arlene had the most beautiful and happy smiling eyes I’ve ever seen

[@GingerHey]

Les Paul and Mary Ford were fantastic. Mary Ford had a beautiful voice, much of a reminder of Karen Carpenter.

[@jacopman]

A legend to everyone who ever picked up an electric guitar or ever recorded a song............the Wizard himself.......the creator of multi-track recording......Les Paul

[@keithhyttinen8275]

That was Bing Crosby. Les merely used it very effectively.

[@WAL_DC-6B]

"The Wizard of Waukesha" (WI).

[@siggylloyd3566]

@@keithhyttinen8275 the internet; where people re-write history before your very eyes.

[@CoxJoxSox]

Wow - that first guest is a class act - that dress is so classy and beautiful.

[@Blkojo]

The last guest, Joseph Carrieri, is...still...a practicing attorney in New York at the date of my post. He was 18 in this episode. He later wrote two well-regarded baseball books, one about his years as a Yankees bat boy. Long, long time ago yet................

[@savethetpc6406]

The two books Blkojo mentioned, as well as a 1955 book titled _Yankee Batboy_ , are all listed at this link: smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=joe+carrier

[@jennymode]

Thank you , that's good to know. I always wonder where they go....

[@Tahgtahv]

Alas, time goes on. He passed away July 21st, 2024.

[@erikbluefrog]

Les Paul's arm was nearly destroyed in 1948; his elbow was completely shattered. Doctors set his arm permanently at the correct angle to hold and pick a guitar. He was very good at minimizing the noticeability of this; you can hardly tell in this clip unless you know to watch for it.

[@thomtlc2]

I was actually surprised to see him shake hands as I did not know he could extend his arm even that far. Boy, what a great guitarist, though.

[@usermikes]

Steve Allen was the first to host the "Tonight Show"...And he said it would run for ever..So far it has..

[@paperbackwriter799]

Jack Val Well, it's been crawling for the last 27 years.

[@dejpsyd0421]

Steve Allen could easily walk into 2022 and fit right in!

[@mehboobkm3728]

As we can see, Men's fashion did not change much over the years (Bennett is another case in point), but looks of women, over the years, changed in leaps and bounds, barring a few.

[@dejpsyd0421]

@@mehboobkm3728 especially though Steve's looks, glasses, haircut, sense of humor. I can easily see him as host of the Tonight Show today :)

[@princeharming8963]

Miss Truman was a doll.. she just seems like she would have been a very fun person to know.

[@debbigray1752]

She is young and fun here but if you see her on WML 10 years later and then a mother of several boys, she seems more mature and no nonsense.

[@neilmidkiff]

At 1:05 and following, both Steve and Arlene speak of the long time that they've been seated next to each other, or hope to be in future, as "seventeen years." Coincidentally, that's approximately the duration of the CBS network run of the show.

[@williamlynnroden]

@Neil Midkiff. I caught that too. Maybe they could have appeared together as MG to reveal their mystic powers

[@loissimmons6558]

Les Paul was my near neighbor (one town away in Mahwah, NJ) for close to half of my life. He and Mary Ford (met in 1945, married in 1949) moved there in 1952, the year I was born. But I didn't move to the neighboring municipality until 1984. The township's museum contains permanent exhibits of artifacts associated with Les. He and poet Joyce Kilmer are two of Mahwah's most famous residents. Unfortunately he and Mary Ford (nee Iris Colleen Summers) divorced in the mid-1960's. The divorce seems to have been associated with Mary becoming tired of touring and her increasing dependence on alcohol. The latter led to her premature death at age 53.

[@alskndlaskndal]

That's sad, I didn't know about that.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Lois Simmons - How sad. I would wish that all the guests and panelists lived wonderfully perfect lives.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Me too.

[@soulierinvestments]

First game -- Steve I think was doing his own gambit freestyle. Bright funny man

[@williamludlow3788]

Les Paul and Mary Ford are a real treat for me.

[@annakaminski4406]

Such a pleasure to watch these.

[@TacomaPaul]

Met Les Paul in early 80s. Backstage (Seattle), he signed my Les Paul guitar ! Alas, I had to sell it... but it was worth a LOT of money. ;-)

[@GJP1169]

These shows are very addictive .

[@MrRwk314]

Many guitar players recognize that Les Paul signature.

[@williammeyer4509]

Wonderful show.

[@clearfield2009]

I don't care who knows. I am in love with (the now dead) Steve Allen. Just can't help it.

[@neilmidkiff]

Bennett's free guess at 22:43 that Mr. Carrieri fixes air conditioners must be a pun on his surname. Willis Carrier invented the modern air conditioner in 1902, and the company he founded was and still is one of the principal makers of a/c equipment.

[@roman14032]

les paul was the most important musician of the 20th century

[@loissimmons6558]

In addition to all of his accolades for guitar playing, innovation and invention, Les Paul also contributed to the development of a pretty fair musician of a later generation. The best man and matron of honor at the wedding of Les Paul and Mary Ford were the parents of Steve Miller (who, like Les, were from Wisconsin). Les would become Steve's godparent and his first guitar teacher. That would be like Sir Isaac Newton being your first math and science teacher or Wayne Gretzky being your first hockey coach.

[@maxroyle6750]

So you say-All flash, no soul or substance, thoroughly obnoxious narcissist egomaniac.

[@beback_]

Don't know about "most" but definitely very important.

[@aileen694]

@@maxroyle6750 ???

[@H.L.-fj6zd]

Note: On his Bio - Les Paul forever changed the recording industry with his innovations of multitrack recording, overdubbing, electronic reverb, guitar effects, phase shifting, and more. His new recording techniques continue to be used by musicians into the 21st century. Having his name on one of the world's best-known electric guitars, the Gibson Les Paul, recognizes his innovations in developing the solid body electric guitar. Les Paul is buried next to his mother at Prairie Home Cemetery, the oldest cemetery in Waukesha, Wisconsin. Gold Record artist Paul was known as the ‘Wizard of Waukesha,’

[@rockinredneck57]

Mary Ford was an outstanding guitar player in her own right. She had to follow Les note for note.

[@elliotudell164]

its a shame that this show is no longer on

[@josephschmoe4245]

I'm just gonna say it, Arlene was foxy. Foxy Lady.

[@maxroyle6750]

Beautiful smile & shoulders

[@jessicapigg]

She's ace

[@robertmelson2130]

00:32 When the introductions begin (with Margaret Truman), it looks as if the announcer's statement that Margaret is "sitting in for Dorothy Kilgallen who is vacationing in Europe" gets a reaction from all four of the panelists. Arlene seems particularly amused. When Steve speaks, he explains that he thought they were going to do the introductions backwards tonight. So...what we now see is a completely impromptu set of introductions from the panel, no preparation ahead of time whatsoever, as they had anticipated introducing different individuals entirely. Might this be the only example EVER of the panel having to completely wing it? While they were used to the process and completely professional about it, I should think they at least gave it a few seconds' thought ahead of time usually.

[@siggylloyd3566]

Amazing. Have you ever thought of going into television production?

[@hizgrase]

So much fun!!

[@michellelekas211]

No one seems to like Dorothy

[@russellevans2446]

Mrs. Monk has 5000 more nickels to count now. 😊

[@MAX5WM]

John Daly slipped up and said "they" before it was revealed there was more than one person.

[@nicholaschristianson8408]

Mary Ford was an exceptionally pretty lady.

[@beback_]

Great guitar player too.

[@hizgrase]

Margaret Truman. What a beauty!!

[@blueeyedsoulman]

Came for Les. Watched the whole thing.

[@rachelehrenberg9231]

Steve Allen makes a comment about 17 years, also mentioned by Arlene. WML was on the air for 17 years.

[@Jay-j4w3x]

Another instance of Truman looking out the corner of her mask to identify the mystery guests

[@gugurupurasudaikirai7620]

Les Paul's actual name was Lester Polsfuss. I can see why he went by Les Paul. Mary Ford's actual name was Iris Summers which actually I'm not sure why she changed. They were introduced to each other by previous mystery guest Gene Autry (actually Orvon Grover Autry)

[@jamesfeldman4234]

I always thought it odd that Lester Polsfuss decided to name himself after the guitar he played. Another guitarist, who happened to be Irish tried to do something similar, calling himself Tel O'Caster, but without the same success as Les achieved.

[@frereM]

Counting nickels from parking meters... Wow. Mind-numbing work.

[@jmccracken1963]

This is a fun episode! Margaret Truman is just as delightful as she was on the previous week's episode. Believe it or not, she was 30 years old when she appeared on this episode and the previous week's episode, while Dorothy Killgallen was vacationing in Europe. The panel has a fun time in the first segment, with Mona Leese - and so does Mrs. Leese, once she realizes that the panelists really don't bite and settles in to enjoy stumping them. (And she's also one of the rare left-handed guests on the show - as you can see when she signs in.) Mary Monk, on the other hand, looks petrified when she enters - and she never really loosens up the way Mona Leese did. (Maybe it was stage fright combined with self-consciousness over the gap between her middle two top teeth.) What I have to ask is: parking meters in the home????? That's the way the line of questioning seemed to go in this segment. Not a well-done segment at all - and that's relatively rare for WHAT'S MY LINE by this time..... Les Paul and Mary Ford have a good time stumping the panel - at least, until the light-bulb went on and Margaret Truman figured out who they were. Nice array of voices from the two of them to fool the panel, too. And Margaret asked some good set-up questions so that Steve Allen could successfully guess the "line" of Joseph Carrieri in the final short segment. I'm glad that they finally did away with the free guesses on the show a year or so later, so that the panel could have a little more time to guess the "lines" of the contestant - or to expand a little more with only 3 contestants on the show. Thank you very much for sharing these gems with us!!!!!

[@lauracollins4195]

jmccracken1963 - On the Mary Monk segment, that’s nickels in the home... nickels are the product being referred to. :)

[@denissweet6639]

I have to agree: the product is nickels not parking meters.

[@EricM_001]

I thought it was questionable that John went with counting nickels as having a product associated with it, and even more so that the product would be the nickels instead of the parking meters. Still, a delightful episode.

[@waynehowell6160]

Two little points of order (as if it could matter some 60 years later): 1. Calling the nickel a product was stretching the point to obfuscation. 2. No conference had been called, so Miss Truman should have kept her "weenie" to herself. Steve would have taken much longer in discerning the MG's identity if she hadn't spoken. And JCD inadvertently gave away the fact there was more than one MG when he explained that "they" were connected with television, rather than saying something like "Our mystery guest is connected with television."

[@magnificentfailure2390]

+corner moose "They" is also a gender-neutral singular. (I asked a person if they would like to have a drink, but they said no.)

[@waynehowell6160]

Nowadays it is, but in 1954 it was considered bad grammar, and I just don't think John Daly would use it in that way.

[@nicholaschristianson8408]

President Harry Truman's daughter!!!!!!!!!!!

[@nadiazahroon6573]

Nicholas Christianson always one of my favorite presidents,

[@slaytonp]

Mine, too, but after the fact. (My own folks voted for Dewey, so I was rather influenced by them, and the atomic bomb decision was nothing to like.) He was a family man--respected his wife and defended his daughter against criticism of her singing talents. He was honest and "the buck stops here," was his motto. You don't hear that sort of rhetoric today.

[@boognish999]

I wish I could be half the wordsmith John is.

[@FigaroHey]

He's just annoying & gets words wrong or pronounces them wrong. (University English instructor: trust me, his nonsensical rambling is a comic schtick, not eloquent speech.)

[@GeorgeSmith-np2hw]

@@FigaroHeyNonsense. His is the ultimate application of classical declarative technique. As a retired University professor, my career has impressed on me the notion that trusting a colleague simply because of their employment is a very slippery slope, indeed.

[@ToddSF]

Strange how the panel overlooked the need for someone working for a retail concern to purchase or buy products from wholesalers or manufacturers. Purchasing agents or buyers are a very necessary and important part of retail operations -- you can't sell anything to retail customers if you haven't bought it to place in your inventory.

[@loissimmons6558]

I got the feeling that it was like trying to name the seven dwarfs or all of Santa's reindeer. You know there's one missing but you keep coming up with the ones you already named. Also, while I usually love Steve Allen's humor, for this challenger, just about every time one of the panelists would try to run through the list of possibilities to see what was eliminated and what might be left, he would interject a joke and break their train of thought. If I was Arlene, I would have been tempted to give him the well-known elbow jab that a wife will give a husband to keep him in line.

[@andreaplummer3841]

I think most people tend to think of things from their own point of view and have a hard time shifting to looking at the whole process. And yes, every time they tried to list all the areas, Steve kept tossing a joke in and derailing the train of thought.

[@cyndifoore7743]

Seems to me that nickel counting is a service and not a product.

[@tmlinmi]

John's blushing can be seen in black and white.

[@muniraragina4342]

Two important things in the very beginning of the show, 1. Arlene is wearing not only her heart shaped pendant but also matching earrings. 2. The mentioning of my own beloved country 'Pakistan'.

[@bobcrestwood740]

John gave away the fact that there was more than one person there by saying "THEY are on television" in answer to another question before it had been asked whether there were more than one person there.

[@lucindasommer720]

He did that w/Desi & Lucy, too.

[@t4texastomjohnnycat978]

Bob Crestwood You are right. John gave it away.

[@shuboy05]

@@t4texastomjohnnycat978 You can even see the moment Margaret Truman realizes this fact.

[@totz_the_plaid9625]

When discussing Mrs. Monk's job... nickels shouldn't be considered a "product."

[@patrickryan1515]

Les Paul - Electric Guitar; Mary Ford - multitracking her own voice. Very popular in the early 50s.

[@Paul71H]

1:03 Ironically, Steve's quip about 17 years was prophetic in terms of how long WML would run (1950-1967, if I'm not mistaken).

[@stadleroux]

Wow, the studio hair stylist really went to town on Messrs Daly and Allen's hair for this episode. 😆 I don't recall John Daly's hair being styled in this convoluted way in any other episode I've seen. 🤔

[@LRS905]

Mary Ford was a DOLL!

[@Beson-SE]

Les Paul's real name was Lester William Polsfuss.

[@nicholaschristianson8408]

+Johan Bengtsson Probably the greatest guitarist ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@magnificentfailure2390]

+Nicholas Christianson But not in his own humble opinion. He greatly admired many guitarists and often spoke high praise of them. In one of the videos available on YT, he alludes to the fact that he needed electrical wizardry to play as well as Billy Squier (He was opening for Squier in the 80's) which strikes me as very funny. Billy will most likely be lost to history, but Les Paul will stand forever as a giant.

[@barbaraalexander3178]

Nope, I'm remembering them both, and always will.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Johan Bengtsson - I bet his fans would be glad he changed his name. Les Paul was a very accomplished musician in his day. Very respected.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Johan Bengtsson - I can understand why he changed his name. He became a legend in guitar innovations. Both were excellent musicians.

[@t4texastomjohnnycat978]

Mr. Bob Crestwood points it out before me, but John gave it away. "They"

[@jsmariani4180]

I think they had a good talk with the cameramen as future episodes had much better framing.

[@WhatsMyLine]

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[@soulierinvestments]

First game. Arlene. Broad. LOL

[@Red_Martin]

We had a version of this show in Germany since 1955 to 1989, while i just know some episodes from the 80s. Unlike the Germans the Americans' just know how to entertain, being funny and lovely, I wished I knew these earlier. Thanks to the internet I can see and enjoy them now though! 😊 How cute Mary and Les were!! Nowadays here the most people know his name from the Guitar model. How much success both had and how talented she was and she could even played great on guitar! Watch for the video from a television show where she had to replay what he does. Unbelievable!!

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

What was Bennett mumbling about when the bat boy got up to leave? He asked a question that John refused to answer.

[@neilmidkiff]

You can't say that the producers were being very tricky in choosing Mr. Carrieri; his appearance wasn't a bit deceptive. I'm rewatching these in order after two or three years, and I don't usually recall the lines of guests from earlier viewings, but when he signed in I immediately thought "baseball." Miss Truman noticed it too, of course.

[@mehboobkm3728]

May be the reason he was called in as the fourth person, very easy to distinguish unlike other two contestants, especially the nickel lady!

[@zekezacker9449]

On the last guest, John mentioned 'interesting answer' (or similar - the sound is not clear) after the free guesses. Arlene noted that John had given them a hint that one of the free guesses was close to the guest's occupation.

[@neilphelan145]

I'd argue that the lady who counts nickles performs a service. Whe she was asked if she had something to do with a product the answer should've been no.

[@PaulDA2000]

I’m surprise Bennett didn’t get up for the first contestant. I thought the man always set up for the ladies

[@keithhyttinen8275]

John gave it away when he said "they appear...". It had not been established yet if it was one or two people. Oops.

[@smadaf]

Being a corset buyer does mean having something to do with the selling of corsets. You cannot buy what isn't sold.

[@grantgoeters5945]

I love Arlene!

[@skyedog24]

I've been watching this for so long now here within the last period Of time I'm wondering if the commercials are available that would be interesting as well.

[@stadleroux]

In some of the episodes the ads are still included. I'm not sure if they were all from the same season or era, but I'm always pleased to find one with ads, because they can be quite quaint.

[@pg9193]

Arlene Francis looks so much like Kitty Foreman from That 70's Show in this, it's crazy!

[@dancingtrout6719]

yaaay Mary Ford::::::.......

[@rickrick5041]

He didn’t talk to Les Paul and Mary Ford at all and said nothing about them

[@neilphelan145]

Probably because they were running short on time and wanted to get the 3rd contestant on the show. Besides, at the time this was filmed Les and Mary were very well know by the general public.

[@rickrick5041]

@@neilphelan145 They should have given them even a little bit of time

[@neilphelan145]

I agree.

[@grammarofficerkrupke4398]

12:02 The first lady bought corsets and the second lady here looks likes she's wearing a really tightly strung one😂

[@gaelengesser9484]

Which is funnier: that Mary Monk counts nickles from parking meters or that nickles are found in parking meters?

[@loissimmons6558]

It's funnier that we park on driveways and drive on parkways!

[@petemarshall8094]

@@loissimmons6558 Oh, very good!

[@Beson-SE]

Batboy,... I guess that isn't an alias for Robin the Boy Wonder? :-)

[@joycejean-baptiste4355]

Gone are the days when parking meters could cost a nickel.

[@spactick]

They didn't even bother talking to them? what a joke, come on LP&MF were cultural revolutionaries that set in motion so much of what became popular music from the early 50's on. What a waste

[@Paul71H]

I just realized one reason why Arlene is so beautiful compared to many women today. Arlene shows all of that beautiful skin on and around her shoulders, and it's completely unblemished by tattoos! (I apologize if I have offended any viewers who have tattoos. Probably some people find them attractive. I don't.)

[@williamlynnroden]

@Paul71H. I wish I could give you 10 thumbs up.

[@Paul71H]

@@williamlynnroden Thanks, William. I'm glad that I already have a great wife, and that I'm not a young man dating in today's world. Where I live, it seems like most young women have at least one tattoo, and that would be a huge turn-off for me.

[@Baskerville22]

The "corset-buyer" lady was very attractive....with superb posture. 2nd Guest : Counting nickels is a service. There is no "product'. It could be a 'product' only if she minted the damn things. Again, John gets it wrong.

[@Mr1930s]

Can anyone elaborate on what a corset buyer does?

[@spongevee1]

Buys the items for a retail business to put in their stores to sell.

[@bgdavenport]

J Carrieri: www.amazon.com/Searching-Heroes-Quest-Yankee-Batboy/dp/0964470101 facebook.com/joe.carrieri

[@SuburbanDon]

Counting nickles is a product ?

[@joycejean-baptiste4355]

I think everybody wore corsets back then.

[@adriennegormley9358]

Now that's a rather obsolete occupation (1st contestant)

[@kelvynification]

Look! People using the English language, polite, civil and well dressed...

[@Gwaithmir]

I think Mona Leese's parents were a bit punchy when they named their daughter.

[@peternagy-im4be]

Married name

[@ltrain4479]

John once again stalls to give answers when the panel zero in on the occupation too quicly, lol. Margaret Truman seemed like a nice lady but she was awful everytime she was on the panel.

[@jennymode]

Do you think she peeked at the mystery guests? I think she knew she was pretty bad at the game. She adjusted her mask , tips her head and asks if there is more than one person. 19:40

[@bazazpa]

Really, a Mona marries a guy with the last name of Leese?

[@WhatsMyLine]

HA!!! :)

[@czarkhasm]

Sal Bazaz A Google search yields results for a Mona Leese that was an "exotic dancer" and stripper. One was a birth announcement in a March 10, 1945 issue of a Chicago publication called The Billboard, and the father's last name was Sid Blake. "Mother is the former Mona Leese, exotic dancer." If it's the same woman, it might have been a stage name.

[@loissimmons6558]

+Sal Bazaz Then she divorced him and married Bill Fiore. For those who are old enough, Fiore was the guy in the Right Guard commercials whose medicine cabinet went through to the next apartment and he had to deal with Chuck McCann "borrowing" his can of Right Guard deodorant. At the end of each commercial, Fiore would be frustrated with McCann and would plaintively call out for his wife, Mona.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Sal Bazaz - My first name is Shirley and worked with a man whose last name was Shirley. We used to joke about if he and I married I would be Shirley Shirley. If I ever in his wildest dreams did marry him at least I could have kept my birth name. In the days of this program few women kept their birth name so she was Mona Leese.

[@juliansinger]

@@czarkhasm There's also an extremely brief obituary for a Mona Leese in, for some reason, California, in 2000. (If that's the same Mona Leese, she was born in 1919.)

[@edwinrivera8449]

I am 20 years of age... What is the difference between a corset and a girdle?

[@edwinrivera8449]

Why was this so funny with the audience? They laughed so much I had no idea why.

[@lucindasommer720]

+Narvelan Coleman Let us not forget garter belts, while mentioning the unmentionables. Not garters, but actual garter belts. And the most unmentionable of all, sanitary belts. We ladies really went 'through it' back then. I was only 2 when this show aired, but I used all these things when I came of age. I had one girdle that was made of nothing but rubber. HOT!

[@loissimmons6558]

+Lucinda Sommer Yes, but very good at cooling off a suitor whose intentions were more ardent than you were interested in at the time.

[@neilmidkiff]

I have very limited experience with either; from works on costume history I get the feeling that the corset is much older. It was not stretchy but made of sturdy fabric, sometimes stiffened with stays made of metal or whale bone. It was made open, to be wrapped around the torso and then tightened/closed, by hooks and eyes or by a zipper as Arlene mentions, or with rows of eyelets for laces: in the movie of Gone with the Wind, as Scarlett is dressing for the ball, remember how she hangs on to the bedpost as Mammy pulls the laces tight to achieve a seventeen-inch waistline. repeatingislands.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/27mammy-master675.jpg The fashion for narrow waists led to excessive corseting in Victorian times, sometimes even distorting the rib cage and damaging internal organs. In contrast, girdles in modern times are partly or wholly made of elastic or rubber, and as far as I know are donned by stepping into them and pulling them up to stretch over the hips and abdomen.

[@shirleyrombough8173]

Edwin Rivera - Don't corsets lace up and girdles just pull on? Remember the scene in Gone With The Wind when the main character's corset is being laced up by her servant? Or maybe I just watch too many old movies. I bet that is the difference.

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

CORSET BUYER COUNTS NICKELS FROM PARKING METERS BAT BOY, NEW YORK YANKEES

[@peternagy-im4be]

Please remove this moronic troll from the comments section. Clown 🤡.

[@woodykelleher9253]

Man, Margaret Truman was a fox!! Cuter than Arlene Francis.

[@damianop100]

It's interesting. Margaret Truman I think is almost a perfectly bad panelist. She acts quite above it all and full of herself, and almost every time it's her turn the pace of the show slows or dies. Entitled.

[@silasvandellen1371]

Ge

[@adamcoates2890]

So Mrs monk counts money from parking meters in her home and the money comes into contact with her chest, this according to John Daly's ridiculous word games that aren't even funny.

[@RonGerstein]

Back then, it was 5 cents for the parking meter.

[@broughtbackin]

Margaret Truman was useless on this show. Yuck

[@RonGerstein]

How dare you insult the daughter of the President of the United States of America, Harry S Truman.

[@broughtbackin]

@@RonGerstein First of all, I don't care whose daughter she is and secondly, stop upvoting yourself. It's embarrassing.

[@hellbent6344]

@19:44 baby girl is peaking . Dam cheater

[@FigaroHey]

As the years go on, you can tell Arlene & others get fed up with Daly's stupid double-talk. Often they cut him off in the later years. He's a pain in the ass, but they thought they rambling on using 'long words' was both funny & a mark of intelligence then (especially the lumpenproletariat who have a vocabulary of 300 words themselves).

[@peternagy-im4be]

Don't be silly.

[@kristabrewer9363]

Ya know why? I just started watching this show a few weeks ago, and I always liked John, but the last several episodes, he was REALLY starting to annoy me! he can't let an episode go anymore without talking in riddles which doesn't even make SENSE!

[@wholeNwon]

Of course he makes sense. And his artful circumlocutions were among the major reasons that the show was so popular for so long.

[@erichanson426]

@@wholeNwon thank you

[@princeharming8963]

Miss Truman was a doll.. she just seems like she would have been a very fun person to know.

[@ginnylorenz5265]

I agree. She looks a bit like Celest Holme.