Wheeltop EDS OX...MTB Electronic Shifting for Everyone

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

Absolutely awesome product.

[@eXTreemator]

shit product and typical review of Chinese crap.

[@rogust]

Hi Clint. Just an fyi from the website: Welcome! The WHEELTOP EDS series is currently available in limited areas - EU/UK/CA/SG/AU, If you're outside of these regions, sign up with your email address to be the first to know about exclusive deals and updates on availability!

[@ClintGibbs]

Interesting… I’m assuming CA is Canada not California 🙃. They certainly had no problems shipping me the group set to my house in the US. I’ll have to reach out to them about that.

[@cup_and_cone]

The original design of this derailleur actually had a removable battery (you can see it in some of their promotional stuff on their site). I'm not sure if they abandoned the removable battery for waterproofing or if they are trying to get around patents so they can sell it in certain regions.

[@tomcoufal5624]

because SRAM has patent on removable battery. Those suckers patent pretty much everything, so no one could use it.

[@paulvanreesch2493]

Yup, IP law promotes and protects monopolies, paid for by corporate lobbyists.

[@cup_and_cone]

@@paulvanreesch2493 Patents also protect individuals from corporations stealing their ideas.

[@indetrucks]

Correct, I have that version on my MTB and it's legit and smooth shifting as butter. The removable batteries are nice, but are a bit hard to take on and off. 800mah each is plenty for the derailer to work for weeks. I never swap out my other battery. This new system also means less chance off the battery falling off during a ride

[@eXTreemator]

@@indetrucks sure much less chance. it just would fail all together with derailleur if you wouldn't ride like 3 year old girl on a lawn and telling everyone another chinise crap is flawless

[@BernardH-vd6fh]

They are on sale now, 599 euro for cable brake version, 639 euro for hydraulic disc version. Also a sale on MTB version

[@eXTreemator]

wow what a great deal for this wonderful piece of Chinese technology have to buy and support linglung business right now (no)

[@indetrucks]

@@eXTreemator Why have you been commenting on every KZbin video reviewing this particular product? Are you an industry plant? You DO realized that the big name brand eDerailers are also made in China right? Troll

[@eXTreemator]

@@indetrucks i made like 3 comments and very likely half was deleted by corporation of good plants. and why I can't comment. " do you realise the big name..." - you are nit sharpest tool in the box 🤷

[@nicks8026]

@@eXTreemator bleep blop blorp, booga mooga meep mop

[@indetrucks]

Been using the 1st gen of this product on my MTB (removable battery) and it's been flawless. Very well made and will buying this new version for my EMTB. Paid $375 shipped just today

[@eXTreemator]

@@indetrucks typical review for chinese from plebs . with their reviews for crap. it flawless only in your imagination.

[@indetrucks]

@@eXTreemator you need to seriously re0evaluate your life bro. You are going from channel to channel who have reviewed this product, just to bash it. WTF is actually wrong with you? Seek help bud. Edit... just checked your profile... you are a mere boy with clear autism. Get help

[@jonienglish3231]

Clint thanks for initial review - this is gen 2 , gen 1 had removable battery. Can you make a video of battery replacement ?

[@ZesPak]

Great video, however, small remark. At about 3 occasions (eg 6:58), you talk about the number of "teeth" on your rear cassette. At first I didn't really get what you said, as usually teeth are the individual "peaks" on a cog/sprocket. Usually it's referred to as number of gears or number of sprockets. I might be mistaken but it threw me off a couple of times.

[@nicks8026]

@@ZesPak in the bike industry, common parlance is tooth/teeth.

[@MrSchattka]

Thanks Clint for uploading this video featuring exciting technology. What did you do with the cable housing after the conversion?

[@tinshield]

I’m not really anti-wireless. I do have a Di2 105 road bike but these 1x12 wireless systems really don’t seem to be providing any big advantages and introduce some obvious negatives. I’m still running XT on all my bikes and it works outstanding with no need for batteries and apps. My friends tell me I need wireless. Meanwhile my drivetrain is quieter and smoother and shifts “under power” without issue. 🤷‍♂️ I think some of this is about easing bicycle assembly, maximizing profit and even now, saving money on frame construction by eliminating cable ports. The savings aren’t on the consumer side either. I can make the argument for Di2 when a front derailleur (auto trim and synchronization) is considered and it is easier to shift a drop bar lever for sure.

[@NewbGamingNetworks]

I’m absolutely on board with all this. Wireless systems have their downsides. Only reason I pushed over from cable driven was for SRAM Transmission on the MTB, as in my observation it provides far better durability and shifting under high loads. Bad shifts wouldn’t happen often for me but would often damage my cassette. It’s some extra piece of mind to never have to worry about that any more and to have the benefit of shifting multiple gears in sprints without a concern.

[@tinshield]

@@NewbGamingNetworks what were you running prior? One of my friends had AXS issues last week. Ended up was his shifter battery. I can’t remember the last time I broke a shifter cable. Stuff like that is so annoying to me. I always come back to why? I’ve never wrecked a cassette shifting. There’s also many or most people that just can’t adjust a derailleur properly and often make it worse trying. I watched a friend of mine adjust every screw on his derailleur trying to adjust it when all it needed was a little tension on the cable. He wanted to upgrade his derailleur so it would work better. 🙄 Most wireless derailleurs are set and forget.

[@RichardWagenknecht]

Been running AXS on both SRAM and Shimano 12 speed cassettes on two MTBs. Zero issues on either with being able to shift under power or missed shifts. The real advantage to me is how quickly you can shift many gears if the need arises. Battery life is awesome and my Garmin will tell me when a battery is low. I’ve picked up and jammed sticks in the derailleur and never had an issue. I’d never go back to mechanical shifting.

[@MTBfixHQ]

I agree, my shimano 11 speed xtr shifter derailleur are so amazing, i've never needed 12 speed since my location doesn't have too many big hills and wireless shifting is such a gimmick, almost all MTB "upgrades" these days are mumbo jumbo... my 11 speed setup still shifts absolutely flawlessly without touching it for 2 years now. Shimano never intended to even release a 12 speed system until SRAM did it and starting taking the market and forced shimano to make a 12 speed system but they didn't put nearly as much R&D into it and I truly believe their 11 speed system works better.

[@tinshield]

@@MTBfixHQ 11 speed was great but I love the lower gears with the 12 for sure

[@fpeter01]

Shimano and Sram makes a ton of money with 11s, 12s, 13s incompatibility. If you want to go up a gear, you need to buy everything... Insane. And people are happy to buy new parts. So I can't blame them.

[@netposerx]

You explained the different types better than the company did on their own site. I was a bit confused after Love MTB did his review. They should be a bit more clear on what you need as an MTB rider and not an MTB mechanic.

[@nicks8026]

I like it. It’s nice to have options but the lack of a removable battery may be a deal breaker.

[@indetrucks]

less chance of it falling off during a ride and 800mAh is plenty of juice for weeks from my experience

[@Ghost12561]

For us not a deal braker, good not having removable battery.

[@joeltocool845]

I'm getting the Cyke Falcon S. Wondering witch one would work with that bike? Thanks

[@HoltiBitri]

Is possible to connect with Garmin edge?

[@tmill2001]

What i like is non udh....does the app track what gear you are in during a ride? That might be cool for a data weenie...

[@ClintGibbs]

I haven’t really use the app yet but that’s an interesting question. I’m going to have to use it just for that to check it out.

[@spork1125]

Good question. Could use that data to anticipate cassette wear, among other uses.

[@thomashendron4356]

What is chain wrap capacity of the derailleur ?

[@artoutlawphoto]

The only negative i see its non removable battery. It would be nice to have a spare with you. Especially if you planning to do long rides and touring.

[@mancello]

So when the battery has to finally be replaced, do you send the derailleur back to the manufacturer or does the derailleur essentially become a brick?

[@ClintGibbs]

Not really sure but I would think you could send it back to the manufacturer. I’m going to see if I can find out the answer.

[@mtbboy1993]

Can you adjust each gear so it will work nicely when the RD gets sloppy? Are the click super light? I need super light actuation just like Archer D1xTrail paddle remote. I have issues with my thumb misaligning during shifts, so I need light actuation, and no fatigue is why I went for electronic shifting.

[@ClintGibbs]

Light but more feedback than SRAM. You are just the rear derailleur tuning in the smallest cog. Then every other gear works well.

[@mtbboy1993]

@@ClintGibbs OK, so no invidual gear adjustment. Shame. But I was never sold on this thing. What about speeds, is there a limit to how many speeds?

[@1legionnutmeg398]

Software update says it does any+ buy inc at get my garmin to recognize gears or battery. Any ideas?

[@Oper8or]

So this does not work with a UDH? That makes it a pain for me since I prefer UDH compatible shifters.

[@ClintGibbs]

Yes. With the axle adapter

[@Oper8or]

@@ClintGibbs Thank you!! I just need to figure out what and where to get it. I'm still new to the MTB parts list thing.

[@XCRiders]

How much more weight did gain. And are you really using all 120mm of front travel? I’m thinking 100mm step cast should have been the one to go with.

[@ClintGibbs]

Weight gain was minimal. I don’t have a gram scale right now so wasn’t able to weigh it but the derailer did not feel much heavier. I do use 120 mL because we have a lot of roots on the trails I ride most often. Hitting them at speed will use most of the travel of the fort. In addition, the entire stroke of the fork is a more plush with longer travel.

[@UC241]

1. How long does a charge last? 2. How long does the battery last? 3. Can the battery be replaced or is your EDS OX unit TRASH once the battery dies and can no longer be recharged?

[@andonis851]

Axs is trash, when a pin connector breaks. Not repairable.

[@nicks8026]

@@andonis851you answered a question that wasn’t asked but by all means, keep grinding that axe.

[@andonis851]

Got it for 330€. ✌️

[@hervemasson5976]

I too am waiting for the 93 mm cage that was offered if you bought a 58 or 75 mm derailleur. In the meantime I've fitted it and I'm testing it with my XX1 11-speed cassette and chain and it works perfectly.

[@andonis851]

@@hervemasson5976 i am also waiting for the long cage. But the discount was only for the 58mm cage. When i selected the 75mm, there was no discount shown.🤷‍♂️

[@hervemasson5976]

@@andonis851 You've had no luck, at least not for me, but I ordered as soon as I received the offer from Wheeltop, so maybe that's the reason too.

[@hervemasson5976]

@@andonis851 cage received .

[@JogBird]

sealed battery? so, its basicaly dispoable

[@tinshield]

No packing a spare battery either.

[@alnsn]

Same can be said about SRAM AXS because a broken pogo-pin can't be repaired. I know it because mine broke after two years.

[@unconventional_health]

So dumb imo

[@diran971]

​@@alnsnIt can actually be repaired by soldering a new one but i understand that it's not practical. Not impossible 😉.

[@alnsn]

@@diran971 OK, technically it's possible but I guess I'll have to do it myself because two bike shops refused to repair it.

[@SofiaisSunshine]

I would install one of these on my dual sport but then I realized that would be the dumbest idea I have ever had. Neat tech tho

[@MeepBouw]

Hey Clint, I have in the front a triple shift, would that be a problem? 90% of the time I use the 44, 10% the 34 en the smallest one is useless.

[@ClintGibbs]

I don’t think it would be a problem. This system just replaces your current shifter and reader. I would think it works on your existing cassette, chain and chain rings, it would work with Wheeltop.

[@douglasstephan6636]

At a lower price point I might be interested. I can get Sram GX axs for about $30 more. Sram also would have better local support.

[@cup_and_cone]

Since this has to ship from Asia to get around patent infringement, you'd be better off just ordering a XX1 EAGLE AXS kit from overseas that's cheaper than both... less than $400 USD if you know where to look.

[@realalbertan]

Depends on what you have now. Wheeltop is programmable so if you have 1x10 or 1x11 you can keep your cassette

[@krisqz]

Yeah, but can you mix it with Shimano gear? Isn't it t-type?

[@dan11thehands]

I had archer components wireless system and the motor burned after one season no warranty they just offer a deal on a new one so i put back my xtr 12 speed mechanical i think its better nothing to charge shifts real good so no more looking at batterie level sometimes it said almost full charge but after 20 min in trails it was stoping now that cie is down or going down ok its not sram axs but still lot money to have problems and not actually better system...

[@mtbboy1993]

If you were the original owner, you were covered under warranty, strange. If not they offer a discount. They replaced one and repaired one mine. But now they can't do it for the Gen1 as they don't have parts for it, but can do it for Gen2, but that's out of stock so can't buy one. The new system looked promising, but I couldn't buy it as they were going out of business and all stock was gone.

[@mtbboy1993]

I love the ergonomics of the paddle remote. Shame one of my shifters died. I had to swap it over from my shopping bike to my enduro bike.

[@dan11thehands]

@@mtbboy1993 i wasnt original owner and it was gen1 that was few months ago ended up buying another gen1 second hand but never install it i like the xtr mechanical might just sell that archer for mtb think mechanical is better 😃

[@mtbboy1993]

@@dan11thehands there's no better or worse, for me mechanical isn't great, cus my thumb misaligns during shifts no way for me to know and stop it before it happens. So it can be very painful. But need a different solution.

[@dan11thehands]

@@mtbboy1993 your right i should of said better for me mtb in the woods think mechanical better for me and i like the click on the shifter 😎 personal i guess

[@mtbboy1993]

No spare battery is a bad idea.

[@junkandcrapamen]

How is it for everyone? It's still around $1000 CDN. Not exactly for everyone.

[@RichardWagenknecht]

You can find AXS upgrade kits for around $400 USD.

[@ClintGibbs]

Meaning, you can use it on any drivetrain and any number of gears on the cassette.

[@captainchipowen5184]

I try to never say anything bad in my life, but, this seems to me to be a very expensive and unnecassary downgrade to my XT drive train with no advantages.

[@ZesPak]

For sure, but I had a good case for it. I've got a 20 year old bike that's invaluable to me and everything needs to be replaced. I however first want to get a new rear derailer as I'm using the bike and the derailer can only pick up 5 of the 8 rear gears (front is completely broken so I basically have a 1x5 setup now instead of a 3x8). After that, I'm probably going to swap out the rear cassette (and chain) with an 11spd or the like, but because of this derailer I can now have a working 8 gear in the back and later swap it out without having to do the lot in one go.

[@eXTreemator]

​@@ZesPakwhat lot. you know that you making yourself it more complicated by thinking you will quick fix.

[@ZesPak]

@@eXTreemator nope, it was my first time installing a derailleur from scratch and was pretty straightforward, cleaned up the bike nicely. Aligning it was a lot easier than what I had to do before. By "the lot": my derailleur was worn, the cables were completely rotten and even the thumbswitch was broken. Now I've got a good working 8speed. Meanwhile I changed out my chain to a 10 spd one (works on the 8spd cassette), so I can change the cassette at my leisure, and reconfigure the derailleur for it.

[@eXTreemator]

@@ZesPak since it was first time it was easier for you to manage, in this regard only I will sustain here in depth video not in English . but conclusions are not great kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5DZaKBuaN2Bra8

[@eXTreemator]

@@ZesPak since it was first time it was easier for you to manage, in this regard only I will sustain

[@pentiuman]

EXPENSIVE!

[@jeffkrauss9961]

I like the review but a good review should include the price. I listened twice. Did I miss it?

[@ClintGibbs]

I mentioned it at 11:54. At the time of shooting the video the online price was $530 for the kit which includes the shifter, rear derailleur and charging cable

[@indetrucks]

$375 on sale now

[@Bottomburbsburnbums]

No clutch?

[@mister_ray]

The SRAM Pod shifters are awful. I switched to the SRAM AXS Rocker Paddle for better results.

[@RichardWagenknecht]

This is awesome! I love my AXS shifters in both SRAM and Shimano drivetrains but that was for 12 speed only. Nice to have an option for things other than 12 speed. Oh and Shimano, FFS, no one wants your wired drivetrain. Pay attention.

[@edrcozonoking]

You keep saying "changing the number of teeth" when you mean changig the number of cogs".

[@jeffkrauss9961]

I think if you listen again you will hear him discuss that not only the number cassette rings can be set but also you can define the number of teeth on (at least) the smallest and largest ring... maybe all of them.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Far too expensive - Shimano is just slightly more $$

[@maxpetification]

Show me the Shimano 12+ speed electronic mtb groupset

[@indetrucks]

This is on sale for $375 right now

[@Ghost12561]

Who's going to figure out wireless braking first? Shimano is the last for sure or by that time they are already bankrupt for lack of innovation.

[@ClintGibbs]

I won’t be the first to sign up for wireless braking.

[@williammorris4419]

try it on rough terrain and please give us an update. otherwise its useless information.

[@nenostrigiotti6144]

it's not worth spending money on junk that doesn't work properly, I bought 3 of them, all 3 came broken, they didn't want to shift to the highest speed on the sram 10-52 shimano 11-50 cassette, it's better to buy sram electric or buy it by cable, I don't recommend wheeltop eds gears total garbage