Wheeltop EDS TX Ican Graro | engineer inspection| cheap gravel combo First Look

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

The tight tshirts bonanza is getting out of hand

[@Hambini]

9 percent of my viewers are female since I started wearing the t shirts. It was 0.8 percent before. I'm growing in the market of middle aged house wives

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

@@Hambiniyou gotta do what you gotta do. On a more serious note, the LIGHTCARBON gravel frame is still better in your opinion ?

[@Hambini]

​@@SamuelBlackMetalRider yeah I think so. I've got a winspace as well although not a gravel frame. Things have moved on quite considerably in the past year

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

@@Hambini i HOPE so ´cos I’ll be receiving the LIGHTCARBON gravel frame with its 53c tire clearance very soon! BTW you forgot to mention the tire clearance on the ICAN. That’s unforgivable

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

Where's the jumpsuit!!!

[@GoSnackGo]

Really speaks to the state of bike industry engineering that a round hole being round is worthy of noting.

[@suminshizzles6951]

What i have noticed is that the chinese stuff he tends to look at, is ok. The expensive name brands on the other hand, do not fare so well. Oval holes, shoddy QA.

[@FreeOnGoal]

Hambini running his shirt at 120psi...

[@Kaosad69]

My favourite part of this episode was when Hambini said "penetrates".

[@cynthianorwood9107]

I have purchased about 5 ICAN wheelsets and they are all excellent values. Their quality is very good.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

Ican not second this but ican try. Yes you can

[@JamesGelsey-p1r]

I got this frame early this summer and the shop who did the build caught hell getting it done. But, it's done and I've put several hundred miles on it. Glad to see it here, and pleased it scored... well.

[@jacobatherton8339]

SWOLLBINI IS BACK

[@michaelsullivan5588]

I have a frame coming in the next few weeks so I'm looking forward to seeing you build it up. I'm especially interested in prepping the brake mounts and bottom bracket without a specialty facing tool.

[@abedfo88]

I just had the NHS buttfookercam 3000 used on me. Turns out my tubes also had wax, resin and splintering also. The nurse reamed and faced me though so all good now. 👍

[@JanneRasanen2]

I wonder if the hole was round or per bike industry standards non round. 😂

[@petersouthernboy6327]

I like the fact that you have both kinds of rakes. Nice variety of shovels as well.

[@shaneschreihart3460]

I've had a Graro now for about 4 months and have put one thousand abusive miles on it. Half the time I'm riding pretty rough single track on local trail passing mountain bikes. At this point I would have to say it has held up extremely well. Occasional bb creaking but other than that a damn good machine. Nothing broke yet and I'm still alive. 😅👍

[@madyogi6164]

8:20 😁Ha, ha, "brake cable" - so there is still some nostalgia in there! Nice frame. I bought ICAN wheels lately. Great rim-brake based 50 mm ones with DT240 hubs. Sadly, haven't had much opportunity to ride them.

[@dcv9460]

5 year old getting ripped! 😎💪

[@ribblevalleycyclist]

Will be interested to hear your thoughts on the WheelTop groupset.

[@Hambini]

Front mech is not great on power

[@ribblevalleycyclist]

@@Hambini Wait til you get to the front mech support bolt..... That'll fry your brain 🤣

[@Hambini]

@@ribblevalleycyclist you can't adjust it unless you take it off! wtf

[@ribblevalleycyclist]

@@Hambini WTF indeed.....You need X-ray powers 🤣🤣. I'll let you borrow that little nugget of information for your next vid...... Only borrow mind!!

[@Handletaken4]

I built a set of wheels for a 310lb gravel rider. After 6 yrs and 23,000 miles he finally knocked it out of true, I had to tighten a spoke. My secret? Phil Wood on the threads, Sun CR18 rims, Shimano Deore hubs. $240

[@bonbonflippers4298]

How many spokes and what brand was it

[@SW-qr8qe]

Big guy!

[@terrynorton3182]

😲

[@Kaosad69]

It interesting your point about Chinese direct to consumer bikes not being very cheap anymore. The approx 3k (which i assume Hambini meant USD), is actually a bit more than the amount that my scott addict rc which has 105 di2. Granted the bike was discounted and has alloy wheels. Currently polygon is selling a carbon road bike with 105 di2 for 2k usd in Australia. So it appears that we have entered the stage were Chinese bikes are now actually becoming on par with some lbs bikes and western online sellers.

[@Hambini]

I think it was bound to happen. You can already see the change, the Chinese OEM brands are holding stock in the US and Europe, they squeeze the margin on the reseller and sell direct to the consumer. I think it will go like the pc industry where a large proportion of pcs are home built. The smaller builders got squeezed.

[@Kaosad69]

@@Hambini do you have any opinion on polygon? I know they are making steel and aluminium frames in Indonesia and I assume now they are also making carbon as well. Do you think that countries like Indonesia/Vietnam/India will be the next "cheap" carbon bike makers?

[@Hambini]

@@Kaosad69 I've not tried one.

[@pierrex3226]

Well it really depends on what you buy. You can find plenty of reputable OEM frames for 500usd, you don't need to spend double. Also, ican is a brand so you get a 500 dollar frame for 1000, it's not a 1000 frame. Electronic shifting is very new, but I wouldn't pay 500 for one (I bought 6). A 120 crankset implies it's carbon, unless you overspend. So if sourced right, OEM is way, way cheaper than branded. But if you start buying Chinese brands relying on influencer marketing (like ICAN), then yes, you pay more because you're paying for hambini s new tee shirt collection.

[@m.talley1660]

​@@Kaosad69I've read Polygon just assembles and labels Chinese made frames in Indonesia. Some sharp forum commenters might observe which off-the-shelf carbon frame they use. Not saying anything they bring to market is bad. Just seems the strength of China's bike production hasn't changed how a value brand puts a product line together.

[@Jedpack]

More bambini content please DAMMIT SOON.

[@joshuabuilds3051]

I dont know why I thought I would be tje first to comment on the shirt, but damn! I thought I was subscribed to American Eagle or Hollister for a second there. It looks like hes trying to send a message, don't mess with this hamster.

[@edic2619]

Great job Hambini.

[@georgeohki4024]

Hey hambini, how about a video where you show a diy bb / headset facing tool and its use? I think tool manufacturers charge too much for this tool...

[@zhuyufan1186]

Hopefully You will be able to get your front mech noise free. At least, I can't get rid of the chain rub on the front when I was in the highest, lowest or fifth gear on the rear of my bike. Wheeltop still has a longway to go when comes to its front mech.

[@stuartdryer1352]

I have owned a bunch of ICAN stuff, wheels and a road frame. It's all been trouble-free. I've put many thousands of miles on the A10 frame. One thing, I always get the matte black versions of cheaper Chinese frames if available. I think it means less likelihood of paint overspray.

[@georgeohki4024]

Looking forward to a build video, where you show yourself cleaning and facing the frame's bottom bracket and disc brake mounting surfaces... as well as setting up and calibrating the wheeltop system...I just got a FL1 frameset, planning on mating it with one of your T47 BB's after Xmas!

[@yodaus]

I have previously purchased an Ican Xgravel frame, had a pretty good experiences with it, but it was my first time building up a bike, so I had several issues during my time with the frame. The cable routing for the break cables was hard to work with, and that frame also had issues with BB and brake areas being unfaced. Once build up, it ran well for about 2 years, but recently developed a tiny crack in the upper headset region, which made the fork develop some play and I had to stop using the frame. There is a good chance there was some user error on my part for that issue, as there was very little documentation with how to properly do the install.

[@Advcrazy]

Been riding my ICAN GRA02 gravel bike since 2018 and it’s still going strong. The only issue is that the bb86 bbs always end up creaking, but I’m sure a one piece style like Hambinis would solve that. I just can afford one atm 😅 Been a great bike and was amazing value at about $600usd (I think) for the frameset back then. Some of the guys in my club have had some of their road and mtb frames and been happy with them. It’s reassuring to see hambini didn’t find any scary structural issues with this one!

[@fieldlab4]

Maybe aluminum inserts like bottom bracket shells should have an axial finger joint at the top so it can expand/contract with the CF. It could also have ball headed pins all over the outside to actually safely mesh into the CF.

[@mmusic9194]

Hi there! Im watching your tech videos for some time now and I see you are like best technically and knowledgeable guy on YT for bike stuff! So, turning to you coz I have a slight problem. I have scott addict R1 2009 frame with broken front delirium hanger which is carbon one coupled with frame. Im thinking of filling it down to get nice round smooth finish on seat tube. Now question- I would like to drill holes for using alu universal braze on hanger fixed with rivets. Is this doable or is better to us 34.9mm classical hanger clamp? Tank you! 🙏🙏

[@Jayneflakes]

Intriguing build you have there, Sir. May it bring you many happy hours of fun. I would love to see you tear apart some of the automotive rubbish I have had to experience, riding a motorcycle. You know that you want a GXSR1000 really. It's just like riding a pedal powered road bike, but louder, faster and way more fun. I do find that the bicycle fitness and handling skills do help at those moments when your bottom is biting holes in the seat pad though. 🚲🏍

[@clp91009]

I’m working on a bike at the minute that has a paint lip around the bb as you show in the video. When I tighten the threaded T47 into place it has cracked the paint lip and it’s flaking off. What it the way to fix this without buying a very expensive facing tool that I will use once?

[@Hambini]

A file and patience

[@clp91009]

@@Hambini what type or grade of file works best?

[@Bill-qf7tn]

Thanks it's a 400 mile plus trip to bike shop here in the middle of Dumbasska usa & hard intelligence helps immensely because without the internet i would be S.O.L. thanks again

[@czeckson74]

The end is always the best: "hairdresser"

[@AG-el6vt]

4:30 Re: the painted threads. Would that actually be helpful to avoid undoing the BB shell, like a retaining compound? Maybe it's still a bodge, not worthy, and should be removed anyways?

[@5amba]

For reference: the Graro has basically the same geometry as the Scott Addict Gravel ;) At least in my size 54

[@glennmcfarlane5513]

Hi Hambini, you mentioned that the aluminium BB sleave may or could be a problem in the future in that it could expand and break the bond. What could manufactures do to resolve this (aside from press fit)? I have a "old" Colnago EPS from 2010 that has a titanium BB, that appears to be holding up still. As always, great information. Thanks

[@Hambini]

The best thing is to use an aluminium that is largely corrosion resistant. Iroincally a lot of 6000 series alloys are more corrosion resistant than 7000 but they are less stiff. For the end user, the best thing they can do is to not ride it in the rain.

[@paulgrimshaw8334]

The issues will include differing expansion of CF vs aluminum too. The impact of this will depend on the care taken in materials selection, component design, bonding agents, and maybe even layups. A problem of this sort could range from catastrophic ) impossible to repair to merely irritating (persistent squeaks and creaks). The coefficient of thermal expansion of CF varies greatly. Sometimes it can shrink when heated. Sometimes it can expand in only one direction, rather than uniformly. So much depends on the layup. It can be a real struggle when the planes of expansion and strength are along different axes. Some of these issues exist in metal… particularly irregular shaped components. But the properties of metals are more predictable and known, making it easier to account for them in the design phase. That being said, there are potential benefits to this construction technique. An aluminum “tube” insert would be easy to align, thread, and face. My confidence would be increased if this component was subjected to millions of stress cycles and developed with the use of an environmental chamber in which temperature and humidity could be adjusted. The chances of this are, imho, close to zero.

[@PatrickLino]

Good video kind sir!

[@Banzai83]

I love your videos and h7mor. I have the Ican x-gravel 2 frame, new but I feel that the bottom bracket might be slightly off center. The crank was very difficult to fit. Something you can help with?

[@tonyd5111]

Was hoping you'd do a dance video like your mate Peak Torque once did with his mum 😂📹. Arguably the most embarrassing clip on KZbin.

[@PeakTorque]

Nice moobs Tony, spreading misinformation.

[@81antiloop]

My wilier verticale frame that cost a kidney and liver has several issues, 1 being an unfaced BB86 shell. Horrendous for something so expensive

[@danoontjeh123]

Looking forward to the Wheeltop review. I put one of their groupsets on the bike I built earlier this year. I feel like it has some downsides (front derailleur adjustment is partially locked in the app, chainrub is hard to eliminate). But on the other hand, what can you expect for the price (with the rim brake version being even cheaper). Curious to hear your thoughts in the video.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

Back-in-the-day even the best steel frames needed chasing, facing and maybe a bit of alignment. Do current bike shops provide this service for carbon frames? What's the cost if Joe/Jill Crankarm brings one of these online wonders in to have it done? Do they do it on the bikes they build/sell? Do the big-brands do it at the factory or at the port-of-entry...or at all? Meanwhile, did I miss the reaming of Friction Fiction?

[@Hambini]

Nah, zfc had about as much penetration as pigeon shite. I think mapdec charge 60 quid an hour

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

@@Hambini Wonder how many hours it takes to prep one of these properly at 60 quid an hour? How many "Hambini made me feel bad" videos is zfc up to now?

[@Fulgencio77]

Is it possible that this frame is a rebranded Light Carbon? It looks the same you have reviewed some time ago, but not faced.

[@timc6189]

Great video, I got a Graro frame that I expected and hoped to build at home. It looks like it needs to go to the LBS to have the caliper mounts faced. My headset bearings are also not tight, they just fall in place instead of click in. Are yours snug Hambini? Can you measure them if they are so I can order them after market?

[@razvan-cristianlupu]

Opinion on steel frames for someone who is not looking for ultimate performance? Just want to enjoy riding at my own pace, without aero and disc brake crap.

[@lukeashley76]

When you getting these Italian Thread BBs back in stock mate?

[@jornremi5721]

Hi Hambini, Which chainrings do you use for this frame? Their website states a maximum chainring size of 2x 48/31… Have you perhaps already tested this? I have this frame at home and I’m curious if a 46/33 SRAM chainring will fit, as the people at Ican don’t seem to know.

[@theillegalimmigrant9314]

Am I the only person to see the NHS BUTT****ERCAM 3000? LOL! 18:26

[@Hambini]

apparently so.

[@marcogme]

Getting fit Hambini

[@jochembeumer2673]

Would a Lightcarbon gravel frame have a higher manufacturing standard? Because the price of this one isn't that much cheaper then one of their frames.

[@PeterKooimanNL]

Any chance there will be a ZFC reaction video?

[@johnnyboy4711]

Lexon GFX gravel bike,love mine

[@scheich86]

When do you expect to have the BSA BBs back in stock?

[@brianstranyak1049]

Hey Hambini, how can I send a crank for you to ream?

[@garethbrown01]

Not related but the topic of good enough quality from non-premium companies tiggers me as I am also looking into triathlon aerobars at the moment and v surprised by what i see. Im very interested in your perspectives on the state of the aerobar industry, given the premium prices of triathlon aerobars (c. 1500-2000 eur/gbp/usd). Also interested in your perspectives on the added value of carbon on aerobar extensions, vs, (!) lighter weights and lower costs of aluminium - is this compliance? Is this profile manufacturing complexities to shape in aluminium driving the move to carbon? How can an aerobar armrest be 200eur; spacers in resin, aluminium etc be 100eur? (low volume costs or just premium pricing). What are your perspectives on Chinese variants; the general forums are not supportive for such a safety critical component? How do aerocoach, d2z, tririg, fair up when you really consider the system-wide aerodynamic benefits, costs? Im sure there are many questions for you to get into trouble with here, (not the point) but I am struggling to see how the consumer products in this space are really adding value to the overall industry....

[@lovenottheworld5723]

If all it needs is sanding and filing it's acceptable. If it needs those frame tools most bike shops couldn't help you and if they could is it fair to use them for their tools when they don't profit from the sale.

[@donwinston]

Looks like Hambini has been picking them up and putting them down. 💪💪

[@gweflj]

Probably wanking off transvestite hairdressers.

[@derekhobbs1102]

The thing with reviews, about 10x more people are inclined to complain than those that compliment.

[@johnnyboy4711]

Strange you didn't wait for gex gruppo, Frame showing 692 GBP for me! how you get it for 500?

[@vincesorrentino7871]

How about doing a LightCarbon Frame Inspection

[@Hambini]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWbRepqHYrqreqMsi=E9rIJmc5zpVy5LQo

[@DericO-rz3be]

*HAMBINI SQUEAMS*

[@canardweb]

Please talk about the Bikeone Powerset T47 Bottom Bracket, I really want to know if it's a product of the wankateering department or if it's legit.

[@gustavgustav7111]

Is carbon a bit fragile for gravel or MTBs?

[@mathiasseifert8899]

No

[@imrevadasz1086]

It's carbon forks (more specifically carbon steerers) that are the really problematic part. You have to make sure that your headset is correctly adjusted, and that nothing abraded the steerer over time. Everyone is recommending to regularly check the steerer to be safe. If you don't plan to regularly spend some time on checking and maintaining your equipment (and be willing to immediately buy a replacement fork if there is visible damage), a carbon fork might not be a great idea. If you don't care about 1-2kg extra weight, steel frame+fork is clearly the safer choice. Unfortunately basically no one seems to make a carbon frame + steel fork combination anymore (that's what they did in the earliest days of carbon tube frames).

[@andrew9579]

I’d love to see you review a true budget gravel frame like the $500 BXT. Geo looks good and it has 50mm tyre clearance.

[@jochembeumer2673]

The tyre clearance on the ICAN fram should have been a little bit bigger, I expect bigger clearance in the next couple years as more riders are using mtb tyres on gravel bikes.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

Triaero is missing the "s" at the end to be a real baller machine...

[@IsaacRC]

Is the tight shorts part exclusive for OnlyFans members? Been missing some empirical action, great vid though

[@hill160881]

Man a $900 frame is not cheap. My Titanium gravel frame made in the USA was $950. My entire Ti gravel bike build was $3000. You can buy and entire bike with wheeltop eds Tx with a 2x14 for $1000 from tantan. The whole bike.

[@michaelblurry6559]

Which frame? 950 is cheap for a Ti frame.

[@hill160881]

@@michaelblurry6559 gr300. They do a flash sale several times a year. I got mine with cane creek headset for $1050 delivered.

[@paulvanreesch2493]

​​​@@michaelblurry6559Lynskey is selling a frame, without fork I believe for under $1000. It's similar to the GR300, with some minor differences. Looks like a complete is only available, a little over $3000.

[@TheMoodyedge]

The Ol'Disney blanket is looking more soiled than Michael Jacksons matress.

[@LawrenceMacMacster]

Sean Combs had that mattress, now it's in the Smithsonian being preserved.

[@TheMoodyedge]

@@LawrenceMacMacster IYKYK

[@AKandfriends-yt2yz]

gravel bikes term or whatever nonsense to spend some cash on. some slicks on my Kona mtg from 2000 does enough! floor 7 and 8 pascha. im subbed with a few accounts and recommend your channel to many people but I always forget the warning of the Hello!

[@beaneater]

1-1/2",1-1/2" steerer (stupid standard), oldschool geometry, paint on the bearings bed : hopefully it is cheap, that crap !

[@paulschulman8131]

For around $3,000 USD you could have gotten the best bike ever made: Fuji Transonic 2.1 rim brake 😂

[@Hambini]

You could also have a wicked week at a German fkk club

[@paulschulman8131]

@@Hambini why not both? 🤷

[@gregschramm8180]

See if you were an ancient Egyptian you could make that facing on the bb with rocks and chisel 😂

[@alvaromartinalonso9369]

Mi frame triaero a22 presented fails in head seat and bottón brake dis tolerand not good

[@pavlokhryshcheniuk7765]

I prefer Hambini's reaming content over shilling

[@savagepro9060]

1:59 High School Physics: "If you hold a frame while weighing it on a scale, will that contaminate the true results?" A. Yes B. No C. Who cares? D. Hambini says 'Savage this is NOT one of your good ones'

[@Hambini]

A: YES but C who cares.

[@william3k]

Gojo Satoru of cycling KZbinrs

[@travispyle2905]

Can you do a short math video on the different watts required to accelerate a heavy VS light rim. I figured the difference in watts required to accelerate from 20-35mph in 6 seconds was like 3 watts difference, meanwhile it was like 1500 watts to accelerate my fat ass and bike from 20 to 35mph in 6 seconds. And that was excluding any air or rolling resistance. Talk about marginal gains… I want to know if my math is right.

[@joe4624]

I don’t know why but this video seems off. Maybe because he's says positive stuff about the brands. I think the Chinese have build a copy of his garage are holding him hostage. Will need to check the video to see if he's blinking SOS in morse code.

[@zazzleman]

Clearly the hairdresser is just taking the piss now.

[@weirdoku]

You been benching hairdressers lately? Looking a bit 💪🏽

[@cricketyosh]

Little Hercules grew up?

[@nicmcs4]

Two discreet videos..with that intro…. Never possible…😂

[@bbarber6845]

That shirt… can you say thirst trap?

[@jstanotherstranger]

I Have those wheeltop Eds Tx and ride for around 4,500 km, Recently Upgrade my 11s (shimano) Casette(HG700) and chain to 12s (R7100)., for short Review, The APP is Braindead, the FD is like a Relationship IT works most of the time until you need to fix it, The RD is Great, Breaking is Good atleast better than those Actuated Mechanical Combos, The STI's are like those weird in shape, IF you're outside ASIA Skip this Groupset Unless you get a Good deal and you can contact wheeltop directly for warranty, IF you're in USA Please Stop and buy your Local Brands...

[@hill160881]

Wheeltop has customer service in the USA I believe.

[@jstanotherstranger]

@@hill160881 It's not only the customer service but the Price of the eds tx is almost the same price with major group set (shimano and sram) in the us

[@hughappleton6480]

You seem less official without the jumpsuit,,,or coveralls/USA...

[@milybanily]

Believe me they delete negative commentaries

[@chrisrichardson5023]

You wouldn't happen to be that third party (external expert) that advised Saint Piran to buy Lightcarbon frames and put fake UCI stickers on them would you?

[@Hambini]

No I tried though. Now that I'm a systematic doper, you get a free ticket to party with the UCI.

[@borano2031]

@@Hambini Shooting selfies with youknowwho... Rgr

[@_J.F_]

My biggest issue with Chinese imports - and let's face it, we have reached the point where it is almost impossible to manage without them already - is that I am not sure I am really all that keen on supporting the Chinese economy. And yes, I know that most bike frames are probably made in China today anyway, but I would personally rather not see them achieving a world monopoly on bike production if at all possible.

[@Sills71]

Oh boy! Cheap, disposable frame and components! I can't wait to buy some, use them and throw 'em away! Perfect for destroying the environment. And I get to fu#$ around with trying to get them to work. Perfect!

[@dusty_hoods]

Masked and not cleaned is everywhere! Manufacturers thinking like it's builders task

[@royanderson3478]

Profits from schills 😊like me.

[@luv23c]

Fit as fuck❤🤟

[@royanderson3478]

❤Hambini, don't stop $#!tty bike manufacturers from putting out garbage

[@jimbo9030]

So much shilling I thought this was a David Arthur video

[@bengt_axle]

Nope.

[@tyrogerscoaching7760]

Wtf is a bit??😅