When Are You "In Christ"? | Leighton Flowers | Calvinism |

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, talks about when Christians are placed "in Christ" according to the Bible in a recent dialogue on the ‪@FaithUnaltered‬ Podcast.
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[@JStevensdk7]

In pre-DESTINATION, it is the "destination" that is predetermined, not the individual.

[@SeanWinters]

​@SolaAndTotaScripturanot how Greek works, but okay.

[@Ian-di9hn]

A train going from Melbourne to Sydney has a pre determined destination. When I get on that train I become a part of that trains destination. God predestined that those who are in Christ be conformed to the image of His Son. Or to be holy. So when we believe in Jesus and receive Him we are joined to Christ and to all the blessings that are in Him.

[@alanalynn2023]

Thank you for setting my mind straight re calvinism and free will.

[@nealwright5630]

Thank you Layton!! We're predestined in Christ. Not outside of Christ. We weren't predestined _to be_ in Christ but our destiny to be conformed to the image of His Son is in Christ!

[@jayrodriguez84]

"We weren't predestined to be in Christ" ‭‭Ephesians 1:5 NKJV‬‬ [5] having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, We become in Christ = adoption as sons. We are predestined TO adoption as sons = we are predestined TO become in Christ.

[@jayrodriguez84]

"But our destiny to be conformed to the image of His Son is in Christ!" Wrong. We are predestined TO be conformed to the image of Christ B E F O R E we are called by the gospel B E F O R E we are justified Foreknown -> predestined (not yet justified) -> called -> justified -> glorified ✅️ Your erroneous list is: Foreknown -> called -> justified(at which point we become predestined) -> glorified ❌️

[@dw6528]

@@jayrodriguez84 DW: The statements presented here in this video by Paul - clearly identity people as "In Christ" Do you have an example of any N.T. Author who identifies any people as "Predestined" or identifies any people who are "in Christ" - where it is the case that those people are not already believers?

[@jayrodriguez84]

@dw6528 Yes. Peter writes to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. He confirms in verse 2 that they are ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father. We know that according to Romans 8:29-30, God's foreknowledge is BEFORE justification. The word "elect" in this verse strong concordance is ἐκλεκτός Strong's Definitions: ἐκλεκτός eklektós, ek-lek-tos'; from G1586; select; by implication, favorite:-chosen, elect. Peter opens up this epistle with a greeting that let's them know they were chosen by God's foreknowledge for salvation and service as detailed throughout the first chapter. After the greeting, Peter first addresses their salvation, then their service as the elect of God. The word predestined in Roman's 8:29 strong concordance is G4309 - proorizō. Strong's Definitions: προορίζω proorízō, pro-or-id'-zo; from G4253 and G3724; to limit in advance, i.e. (figuratively) predetermine:-determine before, ordain, predestinate. These pilgrims were chosen by God and predestined for salvation and service. Not just for service. ‭‭‭‭I Peter 1:1-2 NKJV‬‬ [1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, [2] elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

[@jayrodriguez84]

@dw6528 The NT gives an example of the unconditionally damned before they are born. ‭‭Revelation 20:10 NKJV‬‬ [10] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Repentance is impossible for the man of sin and the false prophet - two humans made in the image of God.

[@kevinkleinhenz6511]

Rom.16:7 (Shared in side chat) is a good one! Definitely we are not in Christ until we BELIEVE.

[@JohnK557]

Yes, all scripture makes that crystal clear.

[@dsvet]

It's at the moment a penetant believer full of godly sorrow is baptized (immersed in water) for remission of sins. It is there we are united with Christ in His death burial and resurrection. Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

[@jayrodriguez84]

When we believe we become adopted sons. We are predestined TO adoptions as sons. We are not predestined once we become adopted sons.

[@dw6528]

@@jayrodriguez84 DW: Do you have any example of a N.T. Author identifies someone as "predestined' who is NOT already a believer?

[@jayrodriguez84]

@@dw6528 ‭‭I Peter 1:1-2 NKJV‬‬ [1] Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, [2] elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. In Peter's greeting to the pilgrims, he tells them that they are ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father. He explains their election to salvation and service in the first chapter.

[@trebmaster]

"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life." - Romans 6:3-4 "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." - Galatians 3:37

[@an_nie_dyc1386]

Amen! That’s why baptism is the last command Jesus gave us (his testament) and the first the church got by Peter. Baptism is crucial in salvation but misunderstood until now. Romans six is the definition of baptism. We can’t die legally another way than in the one that God showed us: in water baptism in Jesus name. Acts 2,38: the key to heaven that was given to Peter and through him to the Jews in Acts 2, the gentiles in Acts 8 and 10.

[@lineinthesandchurch]

Wow! Thanks a lot Dr. Flowers🙄🙄 You had to mention maid service right when my wife walked in…. I didn’t even get to listen to the rest of the podcast, because all I kept hearing was, “I want a maid service.” lol

[@andym1729]

Very beneficial. Well done gentlemen!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@Mandbec]

Awesome discussion and break down of this important topic! Y’ll knocked it out of the park! Keep it coming… God bless y’ll.

[@beberean612]

Something to think about... If Calvinism is true, how can God choose us "in Christ" before the foundation of the world, if the only way we are "in Christ" or "connected" to Him before the foundation of the world IS being chosen? Think of it this way... If you sign a contract with a company, and afterwards a representative of that company sits down with you and says... "Those who sign a contract with us, receive every benefit of being connected with our company! In fact, one of the benefits of being connected with us is that the President of our company chose you to sign the contract before you signed it." Your next question might be... "But how can someone be chosen to sign a contract, if being chosen to sign the contract IS a benefit of signing the contract?" The only thing the representative could say is, "Well, somehow you must have always been connected with our company." And this is what Calvinists like John Piper, for example, are claiming. When Paul says in Eph 1:3-4 that God blesses those "in Christ" (under contract) with every Spiritual blessing (benefit), and then list being chosen as a Spiritual blessing or (benefit) of being "in Christ" or (under contract), the only thing Calvinists can say is, "Well, somehow you have always been "in Christ" or connected to Christ in some way. John Piper said, "Our being chosen somehow hangs from our being connected to Christ before the foundation of the world." In my opinion, the problem with this line of thinking is that it is circular in nature. If the only way we were connected to Christ before the foundation of the world is because we were chosen in God's mind, then being chosen IS the connection, and not a result of the connection. After all, in what way could we possibly be connected to Christ before the foundation of the world if not in the mind of God? Were we connected through faith, by receiving the Holy Spirit, being forgiven for our sins? No, the only possible connection is that we existed in the mind of God. But if being "chosen" IS the "connection," and not a result of the connection, this means a listed benefit of the contract IS the contract. But if the "benefit" IS the "contract," or in other words, if being "chosen" IS the "connection," saying you have always been chosen because you have always been connected to Christ is like saying you have always been chosen because you have always been chosen. Piper saying our being chosen hangs from our being connected to Christ, in my opinion, is like saying our being chosen hangs from our being chosen. If being connected to Christ before the foundation of the world is indistinguishable from being chosen in God's mind, one cannot say we are chosen BECAUSE we are connected to Christ without meaning we are chosen because we are chosen.

[@josephthomasmusic]

Yep it's clearly a cop-out answer the Calvinist will give. It's arguing in a circle.

[@AlexanderosD]

"Building our get-into-Christ-mobile" 😂 I want that T-shirt!

[@trebmaster]

haha yep! It's called baptism :) "Baptized into Christ" appears a lot in the NT.

[@peterchen16888]

“Work in order to get into Jesus.” Sounds like a slogan! Put that on a shirt!

[@peterchen16888]

@@trebmasterHe sounds so Roman Catholic, he just does not know it! “drink of my blood so as to live”. It is the doing to get. It is the works to earn get the grace of God.

[@mysteriouschannel2391]

I always enjoy watching Dr.Flower broadcast ❤

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@mysteriouschannel2391]

No. God did not create Satan.He created as Angel.

[@patrickteo9444]

To God, everything things are in the present tense, even the future! Our life is just like a completed movie 🎥 in the eyes of God, it is all over.🙂I realise that it is hard to understand and to fathom ! However, GOD is the producer, director and the porter, to him everything is crystal clear, as for us with mind of an ant to man comparison, His action is illogical and hence, regardless of who Jesus is or was, many walk away from their faith because their Punic mind can not work out the question mark😱😭🙏 Isaiah 55, verse eight and. nine are very clear, but, we tend to ignore them, and continue to pursue the reason like a dog chases it’s own tail even when all our resources are being drained out😀😀😀without faith, we can not please God.🙏The key point is are you convinced Jesus is real, if so, everything but secondary. Christ focus and pursue how ever we like, it should not affect our faith and love for God 🙏

[@suganemmenaul]

​@@patrickteo9444 really? Your understanding of scripture is perfect. 😅

[@suganemmenaul]

​@@mysteriouschannel2391 God knew angel will sin against him and human? Yes or no

[@davidfallon4320]

A great job guys,I needed this...

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@emf49]

Excellent analogy about the fortress, Leighton!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@atyt11]

No rational person believes that walking into the fortress was taking part in saving yourself no one says “oh my word I’m glad I saved myself by going into the fortress” Everyone would thank the maker of the fortress for saving them, 100%..

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@AlexanderosD]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 That's a non-sequitur. @atyt11 Exactly, well said. I think the problem comes for the Calvinist, because they HAVE to see the opposing argument as "saving themselves" because if God is not Theistically micromanaging all things, they are unable to uphold the ideology of Calvinism. Free will aligning with God's will doesn't fit into the Calvinist framework and the assumption coming from Calvinism is that Calvinism MUST be the correct view.

[@atyt11]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 He created them. Of course He knew, He knows everything. Because God knows everything does not therefore mean God meticulously controls every atom. Satan, Adam and Eve all freely chose to not obey God. If not, God would be the author of all evil, gRape and murder. I answered you, please answer me. Did Adam have FREEwill? Can you love without FREEwill? Can you sin without FREEwill?

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@atyt11 since you answered yes then God indeed ordained the fall of man into sin because He knew they would sin and allow sin and death to in the world.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@atyt11 Well what is free will according to you? If you hold to the idea that man can choose life and by his own virtue come to hate his sin then no i do not believe that and scripture certainly does not support it. Man is dead in sin and does not want God in his natural carnal state and will not go looking for Him. His will is in bondage to his self glorying sin nature. Now I believe Adam willfully sinned and since he was created good did have a form of freewill but consider this. Adam and Eve willfully rejected God in a total state of paradise, so it makes sense that God can judge the whole of humanity through Adam's sin as it states in Romans 5. ”However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written: “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.“ ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭6‬-‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ ”What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.” “Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; “The poison of asps is under their lips”; “Their feet are swift to shed blood; Destruction and misery are in their ways; And the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭9‬-‭13‬, ‭15‬-‭18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@brentbeauford16]

There is not just a crew , there is an army and it’s growing, but we are not against Calvinist we’re are are against CALVINISM! The false doctrines about God and salvation. Love to everyone but not every thing! Honor to God and His word!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@joshuadavidson7985]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689he said we are against Calvinism, not omniscience.

[@ericbarnett3529]

Specifically what are the false doctrines?

[@ericbarnett3529]

Would you please list what doctrines you protest and why?

[@joshuadavidson7985]

@@ericbarnett3529 who are you asking?

[@andym1729]

Beautifully said 18:45 on Leighton!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@trebmaster]

"In Christ" are the 2 most important words ever for salvation. We need to get "into" Christ or we are not saved. There is salvation IN no one else. Also, Calvinists like the word "regenerate", and look at the one time the term is used in a salvation context in the new testament: Titus 3:5. The regeneration is at the time of washing, not before.

[@newcreationcoachingllc6491]

So good.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@newcreationcoachingllc6491]

God created beings with their own wills. Of course He knew. The Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. God has always had both redemption and relationship as part of His plan. Please listen carefully to what is being said and what is NOT being said. @@AllforOne_OneforAll1689

[@unapologeticChristian92]

When I was exposed to this Calvinistic theology which is has completely poisoned my way of thinking and detoxing from this has not been easy. Calvinism is so contradicting because if GOD predestine all things, then why evangelize, why pray? He doesn’t change His mind then why do these things? I’m so grateful for Dr. Flowers and so many others to show the body of CHRIST rightfully Theology. GOD bless…

[@Steve-og4ii]

Yes,I just discussed these very things with my sister last night. Witnessing, soul winning, prayer, persuasion, all these things and more,are meaningless under Calvinism!

[@TerribleGM]

Who is predestined to what? Believers are predestined to eternal life.

[@osowers6755]

If God's will was being done on Earth in the way that Calvanists say that it is then Jesus would have never taught his disciples to pray, "Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven."

[@dw6528]

DW: Good point! Calvinists however must find ways to contort the text and contort logic in order to make it fit into their system - no matter how self-contradicting they get. For example - the doctrine stipulates that no impulse can come to pass within the human brain - unless that impulse is decreed to infallibly come to pass in that brain - by a decree that does not grant any alternative from that which it decrees. And yet we have R.C. Sproul claiming that he resisted coming into Calvinism - *AS-IF* his doctrine grants his brain the ability to have one single AUTONOMOUS impulse. Calvinists are constantly trying to have it both ways. That is why their belief system conditions their brains to become completely DOUBLE-MINDED.

[@patrickteo9444]

Jesus supposed to born as a real human n having to go through exactly like human, so your statement is only a preconception by you. Although the show of the human race is always in the present tense in God eyes, but for us, it is still a on going process. Other made statement like ‘ since, God had predetermined everything then we should not have to pray, spread the gospel and conducting missionary works.’ Such thought is folly as God still needs us to bring the good news to the chosen one as a human processing step before the curtain is down on 🌍 🙏

[@dw6528]

@@patrickteo9444 DW: It is unclear who you are responding to. Now concerning prayer in Calvinism. Iin Calvinism - since every impulse in the Calvinists brain is infallibly FIXED by a decree which does not grant any ALTERNATIVE impulse from that impulse which it decrees - - it follows - you are not granted any choice in the matter of whether you will pray or not. If the impulse to pray is decreed to come to pass within your brain - that decree does not grant any ALTERNATIVE impulse. If the impulse to SIN is decreed to come to pass within your brain - then that decree does not grant any ALTERNATIVE impulse Since NO ALTERNATIVE is granted to your brain -then NO ALTERNATIVE exists for you to choose. Thus you don't have a choice. And since every impulse that comes to pass in your brain is determined by antecedent factors outside of your brains control - your brain is not granted control necessary for it to make a choice.

[@ericgatera7149]

Baptism may very well be the mechanics used by God to put us in Christ: _"Or don’t you know that all of us who were _*_baptized into Christ Jesus_*_ were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his."_ - Romans 6:3-5

[@eileenalexander9026]

"Believe in the Life-Giver to get life". Amen. Amen.

[@delivefreenana]

Well said LF! The plain truth will set us free!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@ABC123jd]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 No, that's why God put the tree of life in the garden. Also, God never says that all of Adam's descendants would be condemned to spiritual death as a result of his sin. The results of the fall were physical death (returning to dust), toiling the ground, birth pangs, and legless snakes. Spiritual death isn't one of them.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@ABC123jd You're understanding the question. God knew sin would come into existence by mankind and yet He still chose to create this world knowing that a great majority of humanity will be condemned to hell. God technically ordained the fall to come about whether or not it by man's freewill in the garden or not. God still chose to make this world knowing sin and evil would come about.

[@LazarAndrei-VNI]

I suggest you make a short video of a few minutes just with this analogy with the storm and the fortress

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@bab008]

Calvinism demands it all fits neatly into their human logic bound system, never mind the clear plain reading of certain passages in context.

[@Jesusisking235]

Would a Calvinist please help me understand this thought? If God commands us to love our enemies yet he hates certain people, would it be fair to conclude that God would be like the father with a cigarette in his mouth telling his teenage son not to smoke?

[@skidmoro9642]

The cult of Calvinism has many poor souls that don't understand the contextual aspect of the scriptures. They have a stop reading problem when they reach their conclusion .

[@thirdplace3973]

When we are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

[@bobthrasher8226]

You got a reference for that?

[@thirdplace3973]

@@bobthrasher8226 Ephesians 1:13-14 in the Ordo Saludis. It says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise after we believe. In Galatians 3.26-29 says we who are “baptized into Christ” have put on Christ. This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when He baptizes us into Christ.

[@bobthrasher8226]

@@thirdplace3973 Baptism in the Spirit and baptism into Christ appear to be different things. According to John the Baptist, Jesus baptizes with/in the Spirit - but who baptizes into Christ? We know of two instances in Acts where baptized believers needed the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit - Acts 8 and Acts 19. Weren't they were already "in Christ" before the Apostles' laying on of hands?

[@thirdplace3973]

@@bobthrasher8226 You’re right. Baptism into Christ happens at the point of regeneration but baptism with the Spirit happens multiple times and is for service. The Apostles were baptized with the Spirit 3X in the book of Acts. If you look at my original post I said “when we are baptized INTO Christ”, which answers the question the video asks “When are you in Christ?”.

[@fernandoperez8587]

@@thirdplace3973 When we are water baptized into His name or rather into the name of the Triune God for the name of the Son is included.

[@undergroundpublishing]

Leighton, have you guys ever read Ernie Reisinger's biography and his book "A Quiet Revolution"? If you understand his backstory, its very clear that he was more of a Presbyterian than a Baptist, and that Al Mohler's "Theological Triage" ideas came from him. (Mohler's wife came from his church.) All of it seems like one big attempt to establish an "Orthodox Protestantism" under the Orthodox Presbyterians, that allows for believers baptism, but considers any evangelical invitation to "accept Christ" to be heretical.

[@jmg3720]

I really like the example of the refuge/ fortress IN Christ example to explain predestination and the Ephesians verse. I believe the same example could be used concerning eternal security. We are eternally secure IN Christ but outside of Christ we have no security. May He find me faithful. He that endures unto the end shall be saved. We do have an enemy that would like to deceive many to step outside of those walls . He is out to steal kill and destroy and he goes about as roaring lion and as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I recognize I am no match for this enemy but the The Good Shepherd is faithful to warn us of His ways. He has also provided everything we need to be more than conquerors. May we not only choose to enter into the refuge but continue to choose Him and keep His commandments. “…continue in His goodness:” Romans 11:22 I appreciate all the verses and thoughts shared. I am praying for those who have been deceived by the doctrines of Calvinism and this channel gives me hope. I also pray that I too would not be deceived. Have a blessed day !!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@ABC123jd]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689Dude, stop posting the same question under every comment.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@ABC123jd Answer it.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@ABC123jd a Answer it. Yes or no?

[@jmg3720]

No

[@Jesusisking235]

If I were advising Satan on how to make people believe another gospel, I would use Calvinism as the blueprint. I would create a Christian Doctrine that included the following 4 points: #1 Jesus does not love everyone (salvation love). #2 Jesus did not die for everyone. #3 Jesus does not want everyone to repent and be saved. #4 And my favorite head-scratching doctrine of all... God gives every person freedom to choose anything (like Chocolate or Vanilla ice cream), but the only choice God does not give mankind is the choice to accept Him and escape from eternity in Hell (I know, getting to choose Him takes away His glory). How anyone can fall for Calvinism is beyond me. If you are reading this God does not desire anyone to perish but all to come to repentance. And no, you are not "taking God's glory" by making the conscious choice of kneeling at the cross of Calvary.

[@Loves2HugItOut]

People fall for calvinism because they are DECEIVED into it THROUGH MANIPULATION. Calvinists and their pastors are deceived and then deceiving others. Not many people would receive calvinism if it was plainly taught. Truly it is demonic and very powerful. If you are interested in really knowing Jesus in relationship over just having head knowledge of doctrines and creeds, the Spirit will lead you away from this. However, many calvinists get sucked in through the deception and start "taking God seriously" in that they love to study creeds and doctrines and read books and watch sermons through their echo chamber and they think they are saved because they are showing "elect type of behavior". But they do not know God or the gospel and are not in relationship with Christ or listening to the Spirit since they are taught to reject it, they just have their religious idolatry. SOME calvinists are truly ignorant about all of this and love Jesus but they need to be warned so they can get out of this before it leads them astray!

[@DamonNomad82]

There are multiple ways one can fall for Calvinism. The most common is simply being raised in it. It is incredibly difficult for most people to abandon a belief system, be it Calvinism, Mormonism, Islam, or anything else, when their families and all their friends and associates belong to that system, even if it is very obviously false and ridiculous. Another draw Calvinism has is one of the devil's favorite tactics: flattery. Calvinism is uniquely suited to attract narcissists and cultivate narcissism in those who already hold to it. This is because it encourages one to be overwhelmingly proud of the fact that one is specially, individually chosen by God to be saved while the vast majority of humanity is not chosen, and will thus be condemned. At the same time, it also provides a giant fig leaf to cover that pride with, in the form of the choosing being completely up to God and not to the individual. Never mind that such doctine makes God out to be morally indistinguishable from the devil, and considerably less competent. Calvinism also appeals to those who want an excuse to be passive or to indulge in their sin of choice, as it provides a convenient "--the devil-- God made me do it!" doctrine they can use to justify all their actions.

[@Steve-og4ii]

I saw a video the other day,where a Calvinist was supposedly preaching the gospel to people on the street. He actually said these very things to the people, i.e. Jesus doesn't love everyone, ect,ect.. it was maddening to hear such a horrible Misrepresentation of God in the eyes of lost sinners!

[@DrBillHaberman]

Galatians 3:27 “ for as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.“ … (In the context of obedient faith Romans 1:5; 16:26) Romans 6:3-4. There is the placement into the area of newness.

[@TAdler-ex8px]

I love this particular passage because it contrasts their choice and the Divine Will clearly to my mind. ”And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, saying, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken first to you. Since you thrust it aside and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. For so the Lord has commanded us, saying, “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’” And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.“ Acts‬ ‭13‬:‭46‬-‭48‬ Clearly they had a choice or why was it necessary? However, some were appointed and believed. ❤

[@donhaddix3770]

true if the word of God be spoken first to you if available. Romans 2:14-15 New International Version 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@donhaddix3770]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yep

[@TAdler-ex8px]

It seems in many people’s minds that an all powerful God is an all controlling God. If controlling was the highest value toward mankind our God would control, He is that powerful and does show His power at times according to His wisdom and mercy. But the fact that He doesn’t in the face of both just and unjust suffering, tests us not Him, who do we trust in? God Himself is the highest value and when we trust in Him, we see Him clearly. Sovereign!

[@JD10503]

​@@TAdler-ex8pxPower is control. If God were not all controlling, He would not be all powerful.

[@PatrickSteil]

As a devout Catholic, I don’t think I heard anything at all that contradicts Catholic teaching. This is what the church has been saying all along. You cannot separate faith and works. No, Catholic goes to mass or prays or does the works of mercy or obey his commandments or participates in the sacraments so that he can earn his salvation. Every Catholic that does this does this to abide in Christ to trust him more and to go deeper and deeper into relationship with him. Do Eucharist is the height of that process of building relationship with Jesus, where he is physically present with us.

[@Peter-wl3tm]

Hello Dr. Flowers can you discuss John 6:37

[@suganemmenaul]

They r Calvinist scriptures. He has no definition about that scripture. 😅

[@steventhompson8130]

Jordan is my Brother in Christ, but to me, I think that sometimes he explains the simple truth in a way that makes it more complicated to understand for me. I agree, Dr. Layton, that it is not "in Him" that necessarily key to understanding this Ephesians 1; rather, the pronouns "we," "us," and "our," are all referring back to Christians - the faithful in Christ. That is the "key" to understanding Ephesians 1 and similar Epistles. Paul is writing to Christians.

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

You and I are in Him. When were we CHOSEN/ELECTED who are in Him? BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. WE WERE NOT SAVED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION. BUT WE WERE ELECTED FOR SALVATION. JUSTIFICATION COMES AT THE APPOINTED TIME DURING OUR LIFETIME. DIVINE ELECTION.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@steventhompson8130]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689Yes, I believe so. The context of all the Scriptures appears to confirm this.

[@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152]

Doesn’t it bother anyone that the clear teaching of Ephesians 1, has to be tap danced around to get the understanding that God doesn’t predetermine who is to be adopted?

[@steventhompson8130]

@@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152 No one that I know of _(whether Calvinist, Reformist, Arminian, Wesleyan, Molinist, Catholic, or Lutheran)_ disagrees that God predetermined who is to be adopted. The Scriptures teach us that God predetermined to adopt as his children only those who will believe in His Son. *1 Corinthians 1:21* (WEB) 21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn’t know God, it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe. *Galatians 3:26* (WEB) For you are all children of God, {{through faith}} in Christ Jesus. *Regeneration* is to receive God’s Spirit *after* a person believes and becomes a child of God by faith: *Galatians 4:6* (WEB) And *because you are children,* God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!” *Regeneration* is to pass out of death to life *(2 Corinthians 1:9-10; Ephesians 2:1, 5; Colossians 2:13),* and is *by faith:* *John 5:24* (WEB) Most certainly I tell you, he who hears {{listens to}} my word and *believes* him who sent me *has eternal life,* and doesn’t come into judgment, but has *passed out of death into life* _[regeneration]._ Regeneration is the light of life *(Ephesians 5:8)* and is by faith evidenced by following Lord Jesus: *John 8:12* “I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the {{light of life}}.” [The light of life is regeneration and is God’s Work in those who follow Lord Jesus.]

[@samuelmogeke6805]

Listening and enjoying the discussion. However, what about united with Him and made like him meaning that we have already become like him? Living him out is a matter of growing in the knowledge of who we have become; what the Father has achieved in the Christian: it's like a child learning to walk based on the realization of the ability lying inert within them.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@samuelmogeke6805]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Hahaha... It cannot be a yes or no response... That's too simplistic an approach....oh and God didn't create Satan... God created man (and woman) with a free will and He gave them a responsibility over creation not to tempt or test then but to rule and exercise dominion. Creating them was not informed by a need to test them and prove performance. Both Eve and Adam exercised their own will and chose to eat of the tree by the suggestion of the serpent (the woman - when she looked and saw; the man in sheer disobedience seeing that he knew what God asked and had kept the command)... And God provided a sacrifice for them in the Garden covering them and discoursing with them not destroying them nor grinning saying "I knew you would do this... So I already took care of business ahead of time; I could not trust you at all!")... God as a loving Father who had a plan and a purpose for Man, went ahead and covered both and spoke hope into their future.... Salvation of their generations... Trying to fix a yes or no into such a profound issue reduces this to a base human argument that does not offer much... The entire Bible is dealing with the issue of mans recreation and restoration

[@Ian-di9hn]

Q. If everything is pre determined by God before the foundation of the world, them are His actions also pre determined.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@ABC123jd]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 No. You've been answered many times.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@ABC123jd So God is not all knowing and was merely reacting to his creatures sins according to you.

[@ABC123jd]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Believers are all knowing according to 1 John 2:20. And yes, God responds to people's sins all the time in the Bible. Jeremiah 18 says that if God declares destruction upon a nation and that nation repents (changes their mind), God will repent (change his mind) and will not do what he thought he would do or what he said he would do.

[@fernandosviewpoint]

After considering writing a defense of the will of man against the believe of unconditional election I realised that there is no concrete biblical ground to prove to the opposite side one or the other. Each side will find Scripture to support their position. But both ideas can not be correct at the same time, only one is correct. Which? I realized that it is not based on literal biblical texts but in knowing the character of God that the truth is found here. We are able to get to know someone well enough to understand what he or she is saying, even when he or she says something contrary to his character. By knowing the person well enough we can conclude what he or she really means. This is how I have come to my conviction in this issue. Is God's character one that would divide humanity in two groups, one ordain to eternal life and the other ordain to eternal condemnation? Or is God's character one that would give to every single person the opportunity to live for ever in heaven? Every one on their own needs to find the answer by studying the character of God. Once this question is answered the doubts will be gone in relation to the meaning of those contrary Scripture texts about free will or individual predestination because you will see them in the light of HIS character. Debates teaches us much but this issue, in my opinion, is only solved in a close and honest personal relationship with the MAKER of our souls.

[@dw6528]

DW: It is interesting to note - in Calvinism 1) Election is conditional 2) Election is UN-conditional (1) Because in Calvinism everything that comes to pass - including each individuals election - is solely and exclusively conditioned upon an infallible decree (2) Because in Calvinism - the decree is NOT conditioned upon the creature or the condition thereof So it follows - in Calvinism - man's damnation is also 1) Solely and exclusively Conditioned upon an infallible decree 2) Not Conditioned upon anything having to do with the creature or the condition thereof

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

John 3:3-8 and 2 Timothy 1:8-9 are abundantly clear.

[@dw6528]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 DW: But of course - in Calvinism- every PERCEPTION which comes to pass within the human brain - is FIXED by infallible decree at the foundation of the world. So what is "clear" within any human brain is solely determined by whatever Calvin's god decrees it to be. The Calvinist doesn't get to decide what is "clear" for his own brain - nor any other human brain. Calvin's god determines what is "clear" for every human brain. That is called divine sovereignty in Calvinism.

[@patrickteo9444]

You are DEAD ON as per Isaiah 55:7-8, after utilise and exhaust all resources, I will go back these verses again n again🙏🙏🙏

[@andrewtsousis3130]

The other interesting point re Romans 16:7 (“they were in Christ before I was”) is, this proves that you cannot be “in Christ” in eternity past, as some Calvinists will say.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@andrewtsousis3130]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689if you believe in free will there is no issue with this question. None. If you believe God is still Sovereign regardless of Him allowing free will, there is no issue with this question. None. So the answer is yes of course he knew. Did he decree them to choose what they did? No.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@andrewtsousis3130 Ahh but He did ordain the fall then, otherwise He would have not created them and us.

[@andrewtsousis3130]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 how do come to that conclusion? Logically as I said above, the fall is a result of free will, it wasn’t decreed. If you think God decreed the fall in order to show his glory, you have a distorted view of Gods character and the whole story of the Bible from start to finish.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@andrewtsousis3130 You're not thinking and not being honest with yourself. God in eternity past knew that when He created the world that most of humanity would be condemned and not make it to heaven. However, He chose to create this world anyway and brought it into existence regardless if mankind's fall was due to their freewill or not. God chose to bring this world into existence, so yes He ordained all of this to take place.

[@larrybedouin2921]

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you *life and death* blessing and cursing: therefore *choose life* that both thou and thy seed may live: {Deuteronomy 30:19}

[@danielletracyann]

It’s your responsibility to abide in Him.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@danielletracyann]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 what do you mean by spiritual death?

[@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Enlighten us

[@ABC123jd]

​@@danielletracyannHe means something that's not in the Bible.

[@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152]

If Christ began a good work in you he will see it to completion.

[@user-nd7dy2kv6x]

Eph 1:4,kjv 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world... God chose the elect "in him" (in Christ) before the foundation of the world. How difficult is that to understand ? Provisionists minimize the power of darkness and elevate the Spiritual discernment of the "natural man" - to make their 'system' work. o

[@patrickteo9444]

I am not voicing my opinion as a Calvinist but as a true believer of Christ 🙏🙏🙏

[@koraegis]

Faith is a gift. So is repentance.

[@patrickteo9444]

Repentant a gift? 🙏

[@koraegis]

@@patrickteo9444 yes. 😌

[@koraegis]

@@patrickteo9444 💯

[@patrickteo9444]

@@koraegis Grace is gift 🎁 from God, but repentant is our response from our heart after the Holy spirit work within our ❤️, We can’t take it as a gift🙏it has nothing to do with a gift from God.

[@TheOtherCaleb]

To put this in terms of election: The merit of Christ is the ground of election, and faith is the only means of apprehending the merit of Christ, thus, rather than being arbitrary, election must be based on faith. If God were to consider one in Christ without regard to the apprehension of the merit of Christ, then Christ’s merit would be worthless. (Note: this was also the majority view of Lutheran theologians in the age of Lutheran orthodoxy, along with every classical Arminian theologian, many Jesuits, and more) Keep it up gentlemen!

[@timcox9650]

Yes! And this also addresses the Calvinist invective of being a "potential universalist", where Calvinists confuse atonement with justification. Atonement is for all. Justification is for those who are in Christ through faith, which rests in the merits of Christ's atonement. Calvinists believe that the atonement flows right to the elect, which justifies them in eternity.

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

"Election must be based on faith." What the Bible says ‭‭I Peter 1:2 NKJV‬‬ [2] elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father. Election is not according to faith. Faith is a result of being born again. We are born again because we were elected before the foundation of the world and sanctified by the Spirit. Hopefully you are one of the deceived people on here who can come to repentance.

[@TheOtherCaleb]

@@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg You cited a verse that has nothing to do with being born again before faith (or apprehension of christ’s merits). Thats because there are no such verses. In fact, that verse supports an Arminian or inuitu fidei view of election verbatim.

[@JesusIsLord777-lz7mg]

@@TheOtherCaleb ‭‭1 Peter 1:3 NASB2020‬‬ [3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be *born again to a living hope* through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Born-again ->> TO ->> a living hope NOT A living hope ->> TO ->> born-again

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@patrickteo9444]

Christ is the focus all in all, doctrinal interpretations can only be regarded as a iron sharpen iron n as the reward in heaven between same believers of Jesus, as long as the fundamental principle is correct of the Godhead, that is the crucial point.🙏🙏🙏

[@Loves2HugItOut]

TULIP and determinism is damaging to the gospel and the souls of people all around the world

[@Loves2HugItOut]

False doctrines have ALWAYS been called out since the beginning of the early church and is recorded in the Bible.

[@patrickteo9444]

@@Loves2HugItOut Bible is God breathe, all the fact are stipulated in the Bible, the TULIP is biblically based not philosophical or human logical based. I have no problem with the fundamental principle of the Gospel! It is true that Jesus died for all n God wish all men to be saved! But, Bible is also very clear to tell us that in our freewill given, our human inclination never to pick God. I am being honest with myself, at my best, I am but ‘filthy rag’ However,, Jesus died on the cross, the Holy Spirit impart Jesus’ righteousness unto me so I can become righteous in God eyes Hallelujah🙏🙏🙏

[@patrickteo9444]

Some experts commented that Calvinism could even be an occult or false gospel made me want to throw up 🤮 it is a lack of understanding of biblical fundamental principle🙂

[@patrickteo9444]

@@Loves2HugItOut The Calvinism may be rigid in the doctrinal Bible interpretation because of their reverence’s to the sovereignty of God & the fear of the Lord, whereas we seem to over emphasis on ‘ Grace n Love’ of God, and light minded over God’s sovereignty🙏

[@robertpeters5021]

Why is the book of ACTS rarely mentioned in any discussion about Salvation?

[@grizz4489]

Acts is a transitional book. Matthew, Acts, Hebrews, Revelation are some of the most difficult books to correctly understand.

[@ABC123jd]

​@@grizz4489Dude, Matthew is probably the easiest book in the Bible to understand.

[@grizz4489]

@@ABC123jd It might be for you ! However, the large majority of christians that i speak with do not properly understand the gospel of Matthew but even misinterpret it.

[@williammarinelli2363]

Lost me. Acts 16:31 is mentioned by many in my observation.

[@Yaas_ok123]

Leighton, please do vid on FREE GRACE ! I bought your both books 😂👍 !

[@jeffreybomba]

Today the McCarther calvinists are always battling the Free Grace crowd, but both are built on the same fundamental error. They both see any thought, desire or action as a work. Calvinism decides that we can have nothing to do with our salvation, and Free Grace decides nothing must happen after you are saved, otherwise you are back loading works.

[@Yaas_ok123]

@@jeffreybomba Good comment. I am amazed how Ken Wilson is Free Gracer and David Allen endorses Defence of Free Grace theology book !

[@jeffreybomba]

@@Yaas_ok123 It seems like a lot of people go from Calvinism to Free Grace, as of the only position is one or the other. It boggles my mind how you go from one framework that subjugated much of scripture to a couple dozen passages taken out of context, to another framework that teaches 90% of scripture does not apply to you. Above Reproach Ministry did a great in-depth dive into the Free Grace vs Calvinism debate. I have been going through Philippians, and I can not grasp how someone can believe in the Free Grace, mid-Acts, Paulian “gospel” stuff, and read that book, written to a GENTILE church and not realize they are way off base.

[@Yaas_ok123]

@@jeffreybomba Spot on. Blessings from Finland !

[@grizz4489]

In my experience free grace theology is one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented positions.

[@primeobjective5469]

Calvinisim teaches, "If anyone is IN THE FATHER by divine decree, they will be made willing TO BE a new creation."

[@GreatLightStudios]

Yes. That’s a good way to put it.

[@jeffreybomba]

They are made a new creation FIRST. They call it pre-faith regeneration. Some connect Jesus’s discourse with Nocodemus on John 3 with this pre-faith regeneration.

[@dw6528]

@@GreatLightStudios DW: Yes - the Calvinist cannot have an impulse in his brain he can call his own. Every impulse is FIRST CONCEIVED at the foundation of the world And then made to infallibly come to pass within the Calvinist brain by an infallible decree which does not grant any alternative from that which it decrees Therefore they have NO SAY, and NO CHOICE, and NO CONTROL over any impulse that will come to pass within their brains.

[@patrickteo9444]

Before the fall, we could easily believe in God without persuasion or regeneration. But after the fall, we were being cast out of the garden of Eden with the corrupt natures. Strictly speaking, God have every right to cast them to hell maybe God took the serpent deception into consideration let men live. Maybe He should put an end to Adam n Eve to avoid the huge problem of today! After the fall, we unbelievers are like cockroaches, love to hide in the dark, we can never train a cockroach to accept light 💡 as it is cockroach nature to love darkness so any sinful person before regeneration as we would be in total depravity as per the scripture narrative! You can find them everywhere in the Bible🙏 I better stop using the smiley face, in case, I give you the excuse to classify me as a unkind & selfish human being towards others.

[@andrewviersen7418]

What the brothers don't understand is that Calvin presupposes infant baptism which places the individual by virtue of his baptism in a physical relationship with Christ because he is born to parents who make a vows to faithfuly expose the children to the means of grace which primarily is the preaching of the gospel where by faith is worked. And yes I would ultimately agree each individual ultimately uses their free will to reject the church if they do. That's why you occasionally run into an atheist who is cranky that he had no choice in his baptism 😁

[@mikefoht2738]

Dr. Flowers always brings sound exegetical thoughts to the table. His experiential knowledge adds vast insight to every discussion. Like all men, we can be wrong or influenced by those we fratinize with. There has always been an elitism among professors and teachers at universities who make all sorts of allowances for big sins while straining out gnats. This is why many call them cemeteries instead of seminaries. Dr. Flowers always puts the character of God first and love for the scripture second. One criticism I do have is that bad company does corrupt good morals and we need to be careful of thinking we are nicer and more just than God. In this sense many of Dr. Flowers guests lean towards things like annialism which is hopeful wishing at its best. Other folks seem to be promoting things like tattoos, a localized flood during the time of Noah, theistic evolution, and the like. Many people in the provisionist camp seem to make provisions for the flesh in regards to these unholy allowances. There is not only a call to love our fellow Christians in scripture but we must first love God and keep His commandments. Our bodies as Christian are the temple of the Holy Spirit and doing things like injecting poisons into our skin are not just an amoral thing that God says nothing about. Likewise those people who feel that God cannot punish people for an eternity for their crimes against Him are playing a deadly game. Most aethists want nothing to do with God and would be happy to be annialated. Trying to make God's Word more palatable always results in unbelief. I don't know how clearer scripture has to be when Jesus tells us plainly the fire of hell is never quenched and the worms die not. Jesus warned no one of annialism but rather taught us clearly about an eternal fire, eternal torment and eternal punishment for our sins of unbelief. I pray that Dr. Flowers will not be mislead by these ridiculous notions that God's system of justice is way overbalanced in regards to the punishment of an eternal hell. Jesus taught this way before Augustine ever entered the scene. The whole gospel is foolishness if we are annialated and how can we believe in eternal life if we are going to not believe in eternal death? Are we not consciously and physically enjoying heaven forever in our resurrected bodies? Why can't the opposite be true as well. Don't let your over educated companions lead you down a truly heretical path of annialism. There are a whole bunch of your fellow provisionists who have embraced this teaching. Dr. Flowers stay true to the simple traditional understanding of eternal punishment lest you help lead others into thinking God's judgement is really nothing to worry about and people actually end their lives to get out of the mess they have gotten themselves into in this life. They will be going from the frying pan into the fire. The entire gospel makes no sense without an eternal hell and we soon become like Jehovah Witnesses thinking heaven is going to be a place for good people and all the rest are just eternally deleted. What a game to play, Teach annialism and find out you are totally wrong and think of all the false hope you gave to all those lost people forever.

[@annakimborahpa]

When Are You "In Christ"? Response: Acts 2:36-41 (ESV): "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

[@mitchmonteith6468]

Dr Flowers, can you give us a list of Bible versions that have made changes because of their calvanistic beliefs, I heard there are a few.

[@emf49]

Living Christian says the ESV has Calvinistic leanings.

[@dw6528]

DW: For the most part - the Calvinist practice is predominantly to train their minds to alter the text mentally while reading it rather than altering the text physically. A percentage of this is done by creating altered definitions for words within the text. For example God desires "ALL" men saved Here the word "ALL" is defined as "All who are Jews and Gentiles" So what they end up in this case with is: 1) Calvin's god desires "ALL" men saved" And also 2) Calvin's god desires "ALL" men damned" This is because "ALL men" is simply defined as "ALL of them are Jews and Gentiles" So their interpretation of that verse resolves to the conclusion that their god desires "ALL" who are Jews and Gentiles to be saved as well as "All who are Jews and gentiles to be damned. Many times you can ask a Calvinist to quote a verse - and the way he quotes the verse is the way his brain was trained to alter it while reading it. That is a sure indicator of his mind has been conditioned to alter that verse mentally while reading it.

[@blackwater642]

The ESV is published by Crossway, which is a Reformed publishing house. Use discernment with Crossway products. Also a new version called the Legacy Standard version was produced from the NASB text by the folks at John MacArthur’s seminary. Romans chapter 9 in The Voice is also suspect.

[@timpowell1602]

The woman with the issue of blood tried to be clean by seeking many physician's but ended up being none the better but rather the worse, we cannot come clean to Christ like this women we come in our unclean state as she did having heard of him and believed on him received that which was only found in Christ and was healed of the plague within as we sinners are who come to Christ for Salvation. Secondly union - The branch cannot bear fruit of itself it's must be in Christ, The True Vine, we cannot glorify God the Father unless we stay connected to Christ and his word we are not sufficient of ourselves, in him we live and move and have our being.

[@donhaddix3770]

when reborn by the holy spirit.

[@casenswartz7278]

There’s a whole crew against us Calvinists now 😭

[@timcox9650]

Don't worry about what man says against you. Your responsibility is to God and his word. Calvinism is against God and his clear word.

[@jacobbyarlay3420]

😂 Just call T4G, Gospel Coalition, Desiring God, Grace to You, Ligonier Ministries, and Founders Ministries for reinforcements friend.

[@ejt3708]

Since you are in error, the crew is not against you, but for you. Just like Jesus.

[@johndisalvo6283]

Actually, Christianity itself is against Calvinism

[@sandormiklosnagy]

No, they are for you, to help you to come out to the light. Is no salvation in Calvinism, so this is out of love.

[@glennishammont7414]

I think there is more to it, if you want to be sure, you have to meet the conditions of Acts 2:37-41, see also Romans 6:3, Gal. 3:27, 1 Cor. 12:13 and 1 Peter 3:21, therefor in my conviction the essential importance of baptism is, in general, far too much neglected in the theological approach of soteriology.

[@mikelyons2831]

Leave it to 👿 to cause doubt & fatalism via his first & favorite go-to "Hath God indeed said?" God created time (see Genesis 1, Chronicles, Revelation). We are saved in present time...that God put us in. This is not Rocket science. See Luke 19:9, 23:24, Acts 17 :26-31, Ephesians 2:11-13, Galatians 4:8-9, 1 Corinthians 15:2 Calvinists until you accept Jesus as Savior, your not Predestined, elect or chosen to receive the seal of Salvation/the Holy Spirit of promise... but rather it's only after you receive Jesus. It always gets down to Scripture vs Calvinism???

[@RCSNIPER34]

1st

[@fingerzfrienemy2226]

fer a minute i thought you was spencer smith

[@ebhardwick]

Gal. 3:27 we are in Christ the moment we are baptized.

[@timcox9650]

When was Abraham in Christ? When was the thief on the cross in Christ?

[@AzariahWolf]

People too often conflate baptism of the spirit with water baptism.

[@timcox9650]

@@AzariahWolf OK, fair enough. I was responding to what ebhardwick said.

[@bobthrasher8226]

I agree. A literal reading of the scriptures gives us baptismal regeneration. Rom 6, Col 2:11,12, Gal 3:26,27, Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Pet 3:21, etc.

[@bobthrasher8226]

@@AzariahWolf If you're referring to 1 Cor 12:13 you should check out multiple translations (and footnotes) and see that the text is ambiguous as to whether it is "baptized in one Spirit into the body" or "baptized by one Spirit into the body". There are multiple good reasons to reject "baptized by the Spirit." This is the only passage suggesting the Spirit baptizes anyone.

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

Calvinists take the need for Christ to shed His blood on the cross if it is that God regenerates you before you can believe. We are supposed to be sinners and not searching for God for God to get the glory for the crucifixion, which is meant to draw us to Him.

[@sampowellmusic]

Be careful leaning too heavily on the argument which states that marriage is an agreement between two people. Because in the first century marriage was a lot different than it is today. Marriage was typically arranged without any consent of the individuals figuring into it

[@jenairothnie8796]

In Jewish marriage, the woman was consulted by her father to agree or not with her potential husband's proposal of marriage. Now, this was largely a formality, as few women would go against their parent's wishes, and at this point the families had already been talking to each other without her input. But, it still was an important point that the daughter needed to consent before the betrothal could be made official. And contrary to what is commonly thought, parents didn't often *force* their children to marry, especially if there was no interest or complete hostility. It's just rare the woman or man would protest without a valid reason to something seen as mutually beneficial for all involved. Roman marriage was a bit more complicated. There were a few different methods. With coemptio/purchase, the couple held a ceremony and declared before an official the woman would agree to symbolically 'sell' herself to the husband and live with him. With usus/usage, the man and women would cohabitate for a year. (One assumes this was consensual as they were living together.) Then there was a three day period in which she could leave and return to her family, or choose to stay with her husband in his household. Either way they were 'married' and he had to divorce her to sever the relationship, but it's important to note she had that option to go back to her family rather than stay with him if things went wrong. With confarreati, mostly used by the priests and upper classes, there was a religious ceremony, and the couple partook of bread and confirmed their marriage before witnesses. The bride became part of her husband's family. Grecian custom was perhaps the farthest from requiring the consent of both parties, as a protector or father usually was the one that agreed to the marraige on behalf of the girl rather than her attending a wedding ceremony in person. But there also was a significant shift in the reign of Tiberius in Rome, shortly before the time of Christ. He relaxed a lot of the marriage customs and made marriage more about the will and declaration of those getting married vs. a legal contract of the transfer of habitation or the ownership of goods and the like. Men and women started deciding for themselves who they wanted to marry (though they still needed the consent of their parents.) While the choice of partner in marriage in the ancient world was often chosen by the parents, it still did (usually) involve the consent of the man and woman involved. So, "agreement between two people (or two families)" works.

[@patrickteo9444]

Marriage between two person believers or none believers alike, it is a covenant between God n men. Once marriage, we can not marry again unless the other partner cease to exist! A second marriage while the other partner is alive, commit sexual sin, hence, as the original partner is still the husband/wife in the eyes of God. Therefore, the second marriage is void in the. Eyes of God. I know, it is tough but it is the way it is! No one would like this interpretation, but, it is a biblical fact! 🙏it sound inhuman, just like the TULiP😨😨😨Hence, the second partner who marry to the one who has already marriage can remarry under this circumstance. But, the whole thing of marriage n remarriage has been watered down, nowadays, free for all even to pastors🙏🙏🙏

[@patrickteo9444]

@@jenairothnie8796 it is considered as too hard a basket nowadays 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@brianschmidt704]

The point they make here is the key one. If we are totally depraved the way calvinism describes, then we are dead and I cannot accept Christ until we are regenerated. But the bible only speaks of someone coming to faith because they hear. There is no regeneration before they believe only after. So their order of salvation is reversed from what scripture teaches.

[@dw6528]

DW: One of the problems with the "T" in Calvinism's TULIP is that it functions as a lie of omission. A lie of omission is communication designed to mislead by omitting critical facts which if not omitted would not mislead In this case - the fact the "T" is designed to omit is the fact that the underlying doctrine stipulates - the state of nature - including every man's nature - is 100% meticulously predestined at every nano-second in time - and at any nano-second in time cannot possibly be other than what it was decreed to infallibly be. And man is granted NO SAY and NO CHOICE in the matter. The Calvinist uses the "T" in the TULIP to falsely attribute man's abilities/inabilities - and thus his eternal destiny - to the state of his nature. When the truth is - the state of man's nature at every nano-second in time - as well as his eternal destiny are both 100% predestined before man is created. So the "T" in the TULIP is designed as a lie of omission - designed to falsely attribute man's damnation to man - rather than attributing it to Calvin's god - which is what the doctrine actually stipulates.

[@suganemmenaul]

This channel is blind folding me from the truth of God word. But i love it.😅 Is this true that God never predestined us ( individually) to be like christ until we believe? I thought our name ( name mean individual not cooperative) are written from the foundation of the world. 😂❤🎉

[@joshgaston7839]

Isn't Romans 8 29 specifically about Jesus? It's the gospel condensed into 3 sentences The foreknown (known beforehand, 1 John 1:1) was predestined to be conformed to the image of his son (the incarnation) that HE might be the first born of many brethren (resurrection) Timothy and Peter have the same sequence of verbage in their books as well.

[@SETGL2010]

Theosis? 👀

[@ByTheBook777]

As a Bible-believer, I agree with the Scriptures that God must first rip out our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh in order to CAUSE us to obey Him. "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Ezekiel 36:25-27 He prophesies the same thing in the Ezekiel 37 Dry Bones prophecy. Those dry bones certainly didn't recognize their dead state and come to life until God caused them to come out of their graves, spiritually, after Christ accomplished His life-giving work on the cross. This also corresponds with the process of being "born again," according to Jesus in John 3. None of your explanations can disregard the fact that the Holy Spirit, like the unpredictable wind, goes to and fro bringing to life whomsoever HE chooses. A spiritually dead man does not go looking for the unpredictable Holy Spirit, neither CAN he, as it is the Spirit that revives him first. You have to do a lot of tap dancing to explain that one away. The fortress analogy disregards the fact that God has declared the "end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.." Isaiah 46:10 The sad part of your position is that either way, it was God's choice, not ours. What do I mean? Well, since God knows the end from the beginning and He could see what Dr. Flowers would do all the way from birth into the future, and He sees that Dr. Flowers decides to reject God and go to hell, God knew that was going to happen, didn't He? Therefore, God, knowing that Dr. Flowers would reject Him, still allowed Dr. Flowers to be born as a sweet little baby only to one day be cast into hell as an unbelieving adult. Either way, your position calls God a monster, whether He ordained people to hell by making them into vessels of wrath or by seeing that they would reject Him in the future and still allowing their birth to happen with an end-result in hell. So far I have asked Dr. Flowers, Jordan, and one other in your camp the following question, but nobody has attempted to answer it. I suppose that's because you read lots of comments and can't get to all of the questions. Though, I'll post it again and see if I get anything but crickets. Since you all believe that God would be an unjust monster if "Calvinism" is true, what would you believe about God for causing a person to commit suicide? And a follow-up question, if you're (free) willing to address it: Was God a monster for ordering the slaughter of women and children, including babies? You guys seem to run from questions like that for some reason. No doubt I'll get crickets again.

[@steventhompson8130]

Your message is not clear to me; in that, you appear to be addressing and criticizing both Calvinists and non-Calvinists at the same time. However, I will answer as one who believes God created mankind with free will and the ability to believe even though inclined toward evil. *REGARDING EZEKIEL 36:25-27* *"Ezekiel 36:25-27"* does not explain how or when God will purify them and give them a new heart and new spirit, only that God will do it. However, *"Ezekiel 11:16-21"* explains "how" and "when;" in that, those who put away the detestable practices are the ones whom God will purify and give a new heart and spirit. The explanation of *"Ezekiel 11:16-21"* is in harmony with all those other Passages that state that a person or nation must first repent and believe for God to form us for noble purposes and blessing. For instance: *Jeremiah 18:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:19-21.* *REGARDING EZEKIEL 37* We learn the context of *"Ezekiel 37"* by reviewing the chapters before and after it. God is revealing a time when God's punishment for Israel will be fulfilled, and will again restore the people of Israel back to their own land, which involves the rebirth of Israel as prophesied in *"Isaiah 66,"* and the Jews return to Israel from all the nations they have been scattered (Ezekiel 11:14-18; Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:10; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2; Isaiah 43:5-7; Jeremiah 16:14-15; Jeremiah 24:5-6; Jeremiah 31:7-10; Jeremiah 32:31-34; Amos 9:14-15; et cetera). *"Ezekiel 37"* is teaching nothing about regeneration. Lord Jesus explains that those who are spiritually dead pass from death onto life by first believing. *John 3:24* (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has *passed out of death into life.* *REGARDING ISAIAH 46:10* No one disagrees that God's counsel always stands. And God is against those who do evil, and God forgives and saves those who repent and do what is just. How we respond to God's grace determines whether God will form a person for destruction or salvation, curse or blessing *(Jeremiah 18:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:19-21).* *REGARDING JOHN 3:4-9* *"John 3:4-9,"* in answer to Nicodemus' questions, Lord Jesus carefully explains *HOW* we are given that eternal life of the Holy Spirit in *"John 3:9-18."* *REGARDING your questions* God does not cause anyone to commit suicide. When the sins of a nation are full and ready for judgment, God will destroy that nation in response to how wicked they were. Yes, the babies are killed too, but God will act justly, and will not allow the innocent to be condemned to eternal punishment along with those who knew what was right but willfully lived in sin, never repenting. Babies do suffer the curse put upon the nation who did wickedly against Him just as all those born of Adam in the flesh suffer the effects of a cursed earth and a cursed nature predisposed toward sin, which includes babies.

[@ByTheBook777]

@@steventhompson8130 Thanks for responding. I wonder if the guys in the video agree with you... Regarding your first point on Calvinism/Non-Calvinism: When you label a doctrine with a man's name, it's much easier to deny God's Word because you fool yourself into believing you're simply denying that man's doctrine. In truth, you are denying God's Word. So I don't use labels like Calvinism or Arminianism. I stick to what God's Word says. Our free will is, indeed, bent toward evil and that's it. It's not bent toward evil with the exception of that little spark of goodness and ability to believe God. REGARDING EZEKIEL 36:25-27 You claim that those verses don't explain how or when God will purify God's people, etc.. However, and on the contrary, Paul makes reference to Ezekiels's prophecies in 2 Corinthians 6:16, saying, "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." Is not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecies? And, when did that begin happening? Read Acts 2. It began all the way back in the 1st century at Pentecost. And WHO are the Israel of God? Galatians 6:15-16 explicitly tells us: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God." If we are in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, we are new creatures. We are the Israel of God, those in whom God's Spirit dwells, just as Ezekiel prophesied. Regarding Ezekiel 11:16-21, Jeremiah 18:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:19-21 - Did Israel repent and turn from their sin? No. That's why Jesus, the Messiah, had to come and fulfill the law and righteousness. Man could never fulfill and the law, and Israel was no exception. That's why God took it upon Himself to cleanse Israel, not for their sakes, but His "holy name's sake," as He says in Ezekiel 36:22-23 "Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes." And what did He say He would do for His name's sake? "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh," which lines up with all the verses you posted. REGARDING EZEKIEL 37 It's obvious that you agree with the futurist interpretation of prophecy and that you think the 1948 earthly restoration of the physical land of Israel was prophesied in the Bible. Well, it wasn't. That was a Papal/Jesuit-contrived event meant to further the futurist deception that most "Christians" today have been deceived by. The restoration of Israel is spiritual and heavenly in nature. Hebrews 11 tells us the OT saints "died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off.." and "But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." vs 13,16 And the Jerusalem that we call our mother is not the earthly city. Rather, as Hebrews 12:22 says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels..." The fact that you believe in an earthly restoration of Israel, and more than likely, a separate pathway to "literal" Israel's salvation is what has you confused in your understanding of God's grace. REGARDING BELIEF FIRST Who gives man eyes to see and ears to hear? "The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them." Who makes us willing to believe, and is it by OUR OWN power that we're willing? "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power.." Psalm 110:3 Who gives us the faith to believe? "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." Romans 12:3 And I'll further contend that the "every man" in that verse is referring back to the "every man that is among you," and not every individual in the world. This view coincides properly with Ezekiel's prophecies of a dead people, without the will to do ANYTHING, coming to life solely by the good pleasure of God's own will and for His name's sake. REGARDING ISAIAH 46:10 You will either respond as a vessel of wrath, fitted to destruction and brute beast made to be taken and destroyed, or you will respond as a vessel of mercy, prepared unto glory. If God writes His law on your heart, YOU WILL obey Him. If He doesn't, that's His choice, not yours. REGARDING JOHN 3:4-9 (and 9-18) Nobody but the "believing all" or pas pisteuo can believe. The "Whosoever" in John 3:16 is not in the text and it doesn't mean "whoever chooses" to believe. It's simply not in the text. You say that God does not cause anyone to commit suicide, and you're simply wrong. He clearly caused King Saul to fall on his own sword and die. And it clearly says that God put Saul to death for his disobedience. So yes, God overrode Saul's "free will" and caused Him to die by his own hands. How does mesh with your doctrine? It doesn't because your doctrine and the doctrine of those in this video is simply false and pharisaical.

[@steventhompson8130]

@@ByTheBook777 *In response to your first point analysis,* I used the word "Calvinism" because that is the word you used. If you can use it, then why can't I? We use labels in everyday language to sum up a doctrinal belief system. For instance, rather than describe all the Scriptures that teach about Jesus' suffering, torture by crucifixion, death, burial and resurrection, we use the label "Passion of Christ" to refer to these events in their entirety. The fact is, use any label you want, but we all understand that Calvinism / Reformism stands for doctrinal positions that clearly are in opposition to the Arminian / Molinist / Wesleyan positions. Regarding people being bent toward evil... No one disagrees that mankind is naturally a slave to sinful desires and lusts being dead in sin, but that does not mean all people love to be enslaved by sins that are destroying their lives. Lord Jesus offers salvation from sin and death by faith in him. Those who are heavy burdened by their sins, and are crushed by them, are the humble who will listen to the Gospel messages with joy. *John 3:24* (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word *and believes* him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has *passed out of death into life.* We pass out of death into life by faith, not so we can believe as the Calvinist teaches. The Scriptures teach that we have life by faith in Lord Jesus, no matter how much Calvinists and Reformists detest it. *REGARDING EZEKIEL 36:25-27,* *You write* _You claim that those verses don't explain how or when God will purify God's people, etc.. However, and on the contrary, Paul makes reference to Ezekiels's prophecies in 2 Corinthians 6:16, saying, "And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." Is not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecies? And, when did that begin happening? Read Acts 2. It began all the way back in the 1st century at Pentecost._ *My RE:* In *"2 Corinthians 6:16,"* Paul is addressing, reasoning with, and commanding Christians not to be associated with those who live in sin, or take part in their activities. If they obey, then God will be with them and live in them. If having the Spirit makes this all a done deal, then Paul would not have to be commanding Christians not to be unequally yoked. The fact is, the Spirit lives in us, and makes us alive, as the Christian remains faithful to live, walk, and sow to the Spirit. These are the "Christians" the Holy Spirit gives eternal life to. *Galatians 6:7* Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever a man *sows,* that he will also *reap.* 8 For he who *sows to his own flesh* will from the flesh *reap corruption.* But he who *sows to the Spirit* will *{{{from the Spirit}}}* *reap eternal life.* 9 *{{{Let us}}}* not be weary in doing good, for *{{{WE}}}* will *reap* in due season, *{{{IF WE do not give up}}}* *John 8:12* (EWEB) He who *{{{follows me}}}* will not walk in the darkness, but will have the *{{{light of life}}}.* The "light of life" is "regeneration, and is a possession of those who follow Lord Jesus. *You wrote:* _Regarding Ezekiel 11:16-21, Jeremiah 18:1-11; 2 Timothy 2:19-21 - Did Israel repent and turn from their sin? No. That's why Jesus, the Messiah, had to come and fulfill the law and righteousness. Man could never fulfill and the law, and Israel was no exception. That's why God took it upon Himself to cleanse Israel, not for their sakes, but His "holy name's sake," as He says in Ezekiel 36:22-23_ *My RE* The new creation, of which *Ezekiel 11:16-21* prophesied concerning, was for the *New Testament* and started at Pentecost to all who first believe *(John 7:37-39).* On Pentecost, the Spirit was given to those who *already repented and believed* manifested by following Lord Jesus. *The new creation* is for those who are "in Christ." We are "in Christ" by faith manifested by a commitment to renounce evil _(repentance)_ and to follow Lord Jesus, which is _(the true Faith)._ *2 Corinthians 5:15-17* 15 He died for all, that *those who live should no longer live to themselves,* but *to him* who for their sakes died and rose again. 16 Therefore we know no one after the flesh from now on. Even though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now we know him so no more. 17 *{{{Therefore}}}* _[for the reasons just given]_ if anyone is *in Christ* _[by faith manifested in verse 15],_ he is a *new creation.* The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new. *REGARDING EZEKIEL 37* *You write:* _It's obvious that you agree with the futurist interpretation of prophecy and that you think the 1948 earthly restoration of the physical land of Israel was prophesied in the Bible. Well, it wasn't._ *My RE:* True, before God in Christ pours out his wrath upon the nations that come against Jerusalem (Revelation 19:11-16; Zechariah 12:1-14), those who believe in Lord Jesus will be raised to life to meet the Lord in the air. *Regaring the Millennial Reign of Christ,* that occurs after the faithful Christians are raised to life. You have to read the Scriptures I provided to see that God will again save Israel, the literal people of Israel, during the Millennial Reign of Christ on earth *(Zechariah 12:1-11; Zechariah 14:1-9).* *You quote and write:* *Hebrews 12:22* says, "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels..." _The fact that you believe in an earthly restoration of Israel, and more than likely, a separate pathway to "literal" Israel's salvation is what has you confused in your understanding of God's grace._ *My RE:* After the Millennial Reign of Christ is complete, and Satan is released one last time to deceive the nations that still exist on the earth, and Lord Jesus burns them up *(Revelation 20:7-9),* then God creates a new heavens and earth, and the *Heavenly Jerusalem* *(Hebrews 12:22)* will step out of heaven onto the earth, where God himself, in Christ, will dwell with his people forever - all believers, including the Jews who now believe in Christ. This is the Eternal State *(Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2-9; Revelation 21:9-14).* *REGARDING BELIEF FIRST* *You write:* _Who gives man eyes to see and ears to hear? "The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them." Who makes us willing to believe, and is it by OUR OWN power that we're willing? "Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power.." Psalm 110:3_ *My RE:* God commands all people to repent and to believe in His Son, therefore, God holds us responsible to repent and believe to be saved: *Acts 17:30* In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. The Spirit was sent to convict the world *(John 16:7-8)* along with the Gospel Call *(Romans 10:17-18)* to draw all people to Christ, but many resist the Spirit *(Acts 7:51)* and reject the Gospel Invitation: *Romans 10:21* (WEB) 21 But about Israel he says, “All day long I stretched out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.” [Isaiah 65:2] *Matthew 22:3* (WEB) He sent his servants to those who had been invited _[the Elect or Chosen]_ to the banquet to tell them to come, but *they refused* to come. *2 Thessalonians 2:10* (WEB) They perish because *they refused* to love the truth and so be saved. *You write:* Who gives us the faith to believe? "For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." Romans 12:3 *My RE:* God gives all people the ability to believe, for God shows no favoritism, and God calls all people through the Gospel to believe in His Son. In *"Romans 12:3-8"* the "measure of faith," in the context, is a gift of the Spirit to those who are *already saved* in the body of Christ so that they may function in the other gifts the Spirit called them for. Paul is writing to those who are already saved regarding the gifts of the Spirit. *REGARDING ISAIAH 46:10* *You write:* You will either respond as a vessel of wrath, fitted to destruction and brute beast made to be taken and destroyed, or you will respond as a vessel of mercy, prepared unto glory. If God writes His law on your heart, YOU WILL obey Him. If He doesn't, that's His choice, not yours. *My RE:* Do you obey all God's Laws perfectly? God writes the laws on our hearts, but only those who believe will live out that Law by faith in Lord Jesus, but not perfectly because we still live in sinful flesh. Many Christians will: *Grieve* the indwelling Spirit (Ephesians 4:17-32), *Quench* the indwelling Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), *Insult/Enrage* the indwelling Spirit (Hebrews 10:24-31), *Reject* the indwelling Spirit (1 Thessalonians 4:1-8), *Lie to* the indwelling Spirit (Acts 5:3), and *Test* the indwelling Spirit (Acts 5:9). Therefore, the Spirit will only give Eternal Life to the Christian who remains faithful to sow to the Spirit without giving up. *Galatians 6:7* Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever a man *sows,* that he will also *reap.* 8 For he who *sows to his own flesh* will from the flesh *reap corruption.* But he who *sows to the Spirit* will *{{{from the Spirit}}}* *reap eternal life.* 9 *{{{Let us}}}* not be weary in doing good, for *{{{WE}}}* will *reap* in due season, *{{{IF WE do not give up}}}*

[@ByTheBook777]

@@steventhompson8130 You left out the last point. Did King Saul have free will to NOT kill himself? The answer is obvious. Sorry, Steven, but your interpretation does not coincide with all scriptures. If you believe you allowed the Almighty God of the Universe to enter into your heart, then you are a powerful being. In actuality, He doesn't count on you or me to do the right thing. For His name's sake {{{ALONE}}}, He puts His Spirit in us and takes away our stony hearts and gives us a heart of flesh to {{{CAUSE}}} us to walk in His statues, keep His judgments and do them....except for Steven and the guys in this video. They, with their stony hearts, are still able to recognize their need for salvation and can call on the name of the Lord without God's intervention. Again, sorry, but your doctrine is not scripturally sound because God's plan, in your view, hinges on your will; All because you don't want to be a "robot." Well, I'm a happy robot at rest in the sovereignty of God, knowing that He's in perfect control of all things and that my obedience to Him is not related to anything I ever "did" but solely to His power and grace. King Saul?

[@koraegis]

Faith is the gift of God. As is repentance.

[@sheilasmith7779]

@koraegis: No, faith and repentance is not, "the gift of God." Both are voluntary acts of humans. Choice. We are called to see, hear, believe and repent. We decide if we will or won't. God has decided to save us, but there are conditions.

[@koraegis]

@@sheilasmith7779 unfortunately this is not the case what you have stated according to the scriptures. Biblical spirituality means to be born of God (John 1:12-‐13; John 3:5-‐8; 1 John 4:7), be changed by the grace of Jesus Christ (Rom 12:1-‐2), surrendered and obedient to the Spirit, living according to the Spirit (Rom 8:4-‐11), and consequently empowered by the Spirit to draw others to find life in the Spirit. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12 KJV

[@koraegis]

@@sheilasmith7779 To suppose that the Holy Spirit quickens only those who believe, but this is to put the cart before the horse. Faith is not the cause of the New Birth, but the consequence of it. A. W. Pink

[@koraegis]

@@sheilasmith7779 no one can come unless drawn by the Spirit. Faith and repentance are a gift. 💯 No one is righteous. No one seeks the things of God. 🙂 💯

[@koraegis]

@@sheilasmith7779 The order of salvation. Predestination Election Calling Regeneration Faith Justification Adoption Sanctification Preservation Glorification

[@Gospelmama1940]

The difficulty of understanding, of grasping Calvinism causes me to turn away from it! God's Word on everything will be clear to anyone who genuinely believes in the Lord Jesus Christ (and God KNOWS every heart!) The Bible makes it clear and God's Holy Spirit opens their minds to Truth. It is not the convoluted course of Calvinism

[@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152]

It’s easy to be so confident in an echo chamber.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

Did God create Satan, Adam and Eve knowing that they would sin and condemn all of humanity to spiritual death? Yes or No?

[@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Yes. What’s the point you are trying to make?

[@ABC123jd]

​@@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152Then why did God put the tree of life in the garden?

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152 then God technically ordained the fall and sin to come into the world.

[@vincentkvincentkyolsonop9152]

God knew exactly what would happen. You can’t surprise God. God did not create the everything and then sit on his hands . He is working all things together for the good of those who love Him. Omniscients is a key attribute to God.

[@bravebarnabas]

By HIS doing, I am in Christ. 1 cor 1:30 tells us how believers are in Christ. Eph 1:11 tells us how we have ve Faith. It is granted by God.

[@ABC123jd]

Nobody disputes that.

[@kenallen2256]

Andrew Wommack has an amazing teaching Spirit, soul and body . With many scripture

[@GThePreacher]

You should have beyond the fundamentals on your podcast

[@Soteriology101]

We've had him on twice! You can search our past videos to find those episodes. 😎

[@brianbreanna8478]

It's really simple obey the gospel. Gal.3:27, baptized with water immersion into Christ have put on Christ. Don't make it difficult.

[@fernandoperez8587]

And receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands!

[@ABC123jd]

Gal 3:27 doesn't say anything about water.

[@fernandoperez8587]

@@ABC123jd 1 Corinthians 10:1-2 shows what it means to be baptizing into x person. The Israelites were "baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea" you know water. They were saved from the Egyptians and became followers of Moses.

[@ABC123jd]

@@fernandoperez8587 But they didn't even touch the water. They walked through on dry ground. You've just demonstrated that the word baptize has meanings other than being physically submerged in water.

[@fernandoperez8587]

@@ABC123jd So? It is a type and shadow. Its not suppose to be exactly the same. Many things in the sacrificial system of the Old Covenant pointed to Christ but there was no cross. The bronze snake was a type for Christ and it's a snake on a stick and not a man on a cross. Paul in 1 Corinthians 10 is clearly speaking about the two Christian sacraments having types in the Exodus. The waters of the sea are a type of baptism. He then goes on to say "all ate the same spiritual food and all drank the same spiritual drink" that was Christ. A type for bread and wine of communion aka Lord's Supper, which we all share in common (he says that later in the chapter). He does this to say that Israel was like the church and we are like them and that we too may fall into idolatry (if we are not carefully) liike they did.

[@lessofme53]

Leighton has created a following of people who dislike or even hate calvinist. But yet i have not heard Leighton say or do anything to correct this.

[@Loves2HugItOut]

Not true, leighton is extremely charitable with Calvinists even calvinist pastors, honestly too much so IMO since the Bible treats these things much more harshly. I consider every Calvinist pastor who affirms TULIP and prefaith regeneration to be a false teacher and I do not accept calvinists AS A WHOLE to be Christians (disclaimer since it always seems to be necessary: there are always exceptions and I believe there are some calvinists who are truly ignorant and are following Christ. Having a firmer stance does not = hate. I also do not believe having a firmer stance means you are being unloving, divisive, or kicking people out of the kingdom. This is the biblical position and following the wisdom of God as described in 2 Corinthians 11:4 and Galatians 1:9. We are commanded to do everything in love and this is no exception.)

[@yvonnedoulos8873]

If Calvinism is true then God ordained people to dislike or hate Calvinist. I suspect no one who appreciates Dr. Flowers’ teachings hates Calvinists but rather hate the false systematic that came from Calvin’s teachings. Huge difference.

[@robertwheeler1158]

It can be argued that strictly speaking, in biblical terminology, you are "in Christ" when you are baptized on the profession of your faith (Rom. 6:1-7; Gal. 3:27; Col. 2:10-14). It is at that point that you are united to Christ, and His righteousness is imputed to you. This, in turn, would resolve the question about the extent of the atonement. While the atonement is of infinite value and freely offered to the entire human race, the only persons who are actually saved are those who are united to Christ in faith and baptism. Thus Christ died vicariously for those who are "in Him." But none of this negates the key questions, how does the Bible describe the condition of a lost sinner? And what does the Holy Spirit do to bring him to Christ?

[@codywormy6920]

When you’re a “choice meat.” Lololol

[@Ron-jw3ty]

The reason there are so many " Calvinists" is because it's biblical. And, because they give ALL the Glory and Credit for their salvation to the Father and Jesus, where it rightly belongs. People who hold to Flowers's view, that God can only save those who agree to allow God to save them by responding in Faith try to take some of the credit for their salvation. You can see in Leighton's eyes that he knows his view and arguments are inconsistent, but YT's financial proceeds that come in every month make it hard for him to admit he is wrong.

[@jimhughes1070]

Bless your heart.

[@jimhughes1070]

You make assumptions using false logic... Which means no logic at all. The Bible teaches the exact opposite of what you just said in your comment. But you might have to grow a little hair on your chest and read the Bible. Yes your belly will burn but you can get some Pepto.

[@penbenner2319]

Calvanism is so wrong and weird yes I said weird not biblical and yes biblical but twisted to fit in a calvanism narrative

[@sethmcmullen2332]

Calvinist: Ephesians 1:4 is about God choosing who will be saved before the foundation of the world. Me: God chose those in Him, right? Calvinist: Yeah. Me: You were in Christ before the foundation of the world? Calvinist: You don't understand Calvinism.

[@annakimborahpa]

You wrote: "Calvinist: You don't understand Calvinism." Response: That's OK, neither did John Calvin. "How it was ordained by the foreknowledge and decree of God what man's future was without God being implicated as an associate in the fault as the author and approver of transgression is clearly a secret so excelling the insight of the human mind, THAT I AM NOT ASHAMED TO CONFESS IGNORANCE." [John Calvin, Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, 124 (OC 8.316). See A.N.S. Lane, “Did Calvin Believe in Freewill?” Vox Evangelica 12 (1981): 73]

[@S.and.I.Productions]

@@annakimborahpaSo true, lol. They say to us “Who are you O man to question God,” and “We will never know the full mysteries of God.” Yet, they seem to know exactly what is happening in Scripture.

[@rocio8851]

Jordan, please, be more fluent and simpler in explaining your ideas. Otherwise, you're making good points.

[@jasonclaus4743]

Unconditional election in the compatibility view fits scripture the best, but while predestination is the outcome of the individual it does not cause an effectual call

[@koraegis]

Listening to any moment of this helps me appreciate the Bible more knowing Calvinism is biblical. ❤💯

[@ABC123jd]

I'm sure that's why not a single secular scholar thinks that there's even one author of the Bible who was a Calvinist.

[@paulsfam]

The Elect are not born in Christ they are Chosen, the Father knows that they will be in Christ that's why they are Chosen. Who are the chosen? Does the Father hand out a label to those people ? No he has the great commission and his word and those will hear and see because of the Father and come to him through Christ.

[@leehighland5435]

The parable of the sower blows away Calvinism, because nothing can take root according to Calvinists, because they have to be regenerated for the word to take any kind of root. Calvinism says they are too depraved to even accept a seed. How do they explain people who have believed and then turned away from Christ, according to total depravity they can't believe at all.

[@user-le2nn8rs1y]

I believe the Bible teaches the moment we believe we are baptized into His death and THEN RAISED UP TOGETHER WITH HIM , a New Creation IN CHRIST. Our old man can never be in Christ. It's the New Creature who is in Christ. We are not made a NEW CREATURE first . Let's also look at a parallel re when Israel entered the promise land. The types and shadows of Joshua so parallel Ephesians. First, After they crossed the Jordan THEN all the men were Circumcised. In Colossians we see Circumcision is the cutting g away of the sin of the flesh nailing to a cross. The Jordan, 3 day crossing represents our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. This proves the Calvin Gospel is bogus. The real issue I have had with Calvinism is the total ignoring of Romans 6. Calvin did not understand our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life. The NEW CREATURE comes in the resurrected side of our salvation. Those IN CHRIST are those who have been baptized onto His death and raised up AS WE SPEAK a new creature. This new creature is what is born from Above. This is the missing link to all false Gospels. Galatians gives point by point what the ONLY TRUE GOSPEL TEACHES. And Galatians 2:20-21 is the very core foundation of the Gospel of Grace.

[@jakeyboy8402]

I continue to ask the question “Can a dead man resurrect himself from the dead by his own “Freewill”! Ephesians tells us we are dead in our trespasses and sin. The Greek word for dead is “Corpse”! Another question. Could Lazarus refused Christ’s call to come forth from the dead?

[@AnniEast]

Yes, those who are in Him are chosen. Chosen to be conformed to the image of His Son and chosen to be adopted as sons. I find it equally strange that it is so difficult to understand. If your sports team gets picked for the olympics it is the group that goes regardless of who the individual team mates are. If you are on the team, you are going. If you are not on the team, you are not going. Just the same it is predetermined by God that team Jesus gets to go to heaven. If you are IN Him you go, if you arent IN Him you dont. The IN Him is the main point of the passage. If it wasnt it wouldve just read, '...as He has chosen us before the foundation of the world...' The calvinist has to ask why they get to go to heaven. Bc of their election, or bc of what Jesus did? Can't really see how it can be both. If you were elected before the foundation of the world to go to heaven you were never in any real danger...you would end up in there regardless. Same with those who arent elected. Doesnt really matter who does what, their election determines their destination, not what they believe or don't believe.

[@patrickteo9444]

The fact of the matter is we do not know whether we are being picked not only applying to Calvinists but to all! Since, we are still in the acting stage in our life movie, we live what we ought to live in our journey until the curtain is down🙏🤷🏻‍♂️it is just like a football team, if we are being picked, be glad, n if we are not, it is just the destiny of life😭There is nothing we can do but accept what is to come🙏

[@AnniEast]

@@patrickteo9444 that's not accurate...when the jailer asked Paul, 'what must I do to be saved?' Paul anwered, 'believe in the Lord Jesus Christ...' You can have assurance of salvation! The Spirit testifies to our spirit that we are children of God and cries ABBA Father. JESUS Himself said that God so loved us that He gives eternal life to whomever believes in the One He sent. There is not one soul in hell who believed that Jesus paid it all and trusted in Him for their salvation. The gift of salvation is free! We don't have to wonder, we can know!

[@patrickteo9444]

@@AnniEast you are right, I put it very poorly!🙏

[@grizz4489]

​​@@AnniEast The Spirit does not testify to our spirit. The passage says " the Spirit testifies WITH our spirit that we are children of God. This passage is NOT saying that we can know for sure that we are saved because the Spirit testifies to us that we are. Not at all. This passage is saying that when we struggle to pray, that the Spirit testifies along with our Spirit to the Father that we are His children.

[@AnniEast]

@@grizz4489 that sounds a whole lot like same difference to me! If my souls testifies I am a child of God, and the Spirit testifies the same thing with me, than that is some pretty wonderful assurance right there.

[@patrickteo9444]

The Bible is crystal clear that no one seek God, not even one!!! That is the end of the story!! It is NOT our inclination to seek God, unless God choose you, you will never choose Him in your freewill! We are having a higher opinion of ourself ?🙏🙏🙏

[@Loves2HugItOut]

But the good news is that God hasn’t passed over anyone and no one is left hopeless by God. God has given everyone the moral law and has revealed Himself through the natural revelation to every person, giving grace to every man in order to draw them to repentance. And the Holy Spirit is convicting every person of sin, righteousness, and the judgement so they can recognize their need for a Savior. And the gospel is being shared to every person- the power of salvation! And born again beleivers are shining their light of grace and truth around the world to provide hope of another way to every person! Everyone has been and is being graciously drawn by God. Not everyone responds positively to the drawing.

[@strawberrymilkshake112]

That's why he sent Jesus so that we can all seek him. If God did not send Jesus, yes we would have never seek the True God. Yes, if God did not interact with humans, no one would know. But now all can come to Jesus to know him.

[@patrickteo9444]

Jesus n the Father have different function, Father pick the people whosoever He wants to save, it sound illogical, but it is a fact! As to how He picks we do not know, but, once, we die, it will be as clear as bell 🛎️ we would have no excused in the present of God just like Job. Job presented his human logic throughout his ordeal to God, sounded very logical in human reasoning but when God opened his mouth, Job’s logic crumbled. Ants 🐜 n men intellect has a huge gap, let along man n God. Refer to Isaiah 55 :8-9. I strongly believe that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of our wisdom。 without it, we tend to depend on our tiny mind in canal autonomy hence, be the almighty ourselves 🙂

[@patrickteo9444]

Please be aware that the statement NO ONE SEEK GOD NOT EVEN ONE was mentioned in Roman in the New Testament not Old Testament 🙂🙏

[@Loves2HugItOut]

@@patrickteo9444 right but God seeks first. He has reached His hand out to every man, and no one is hopeless. You can put smiley faces next to every sentence you write but the bottom line is you think God has left most people you see roaming this world completely hopeless and doomed for he|| 🙂

[@user-nn4dk1mx5j]

We already were in Christ before the world (Eph 1:4; 2 Tim 1:9). We were in Christ and were buried with him in baptism, died with him, and were raised up TOGETHER WITH CHRIST when he was raised from the dead (Rom 6:3-5; Eph 2:5-6; Col 2:12-15). We are in him vitally when born again (Jn 1:13). We are in him practically by faith after being saved when abiding in him (Jn 15:2-5; 1 Jn 2:28).

[@bobthrasher8226]

Rom 6:3, Gal 3:27, Col 2:11,12 indicate we are "baptized into Christ", and no, this is not "spiritual baptism" ala 1 Cor 12:13, but water baptism. Baptismal regeneration kills Calvinism dead.

[@SpielbergMichael]

The following 2 verses prove Calvinism is false: Read the verses carefully: “you were also RAISED WITH HIM THROUGH FAITH in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He MADE YOU ALIVE together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings,” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬-‭13‬ ‭ These verses say 4 things: 1 FAITH precedes being raised to LIFE from the dead 2 This happens while we are dead in our sins and when we are ungodly. 3 This happens before God spiritually circumcises us and frees us from our bondage to the flesh and sin. 4 This says/means: ungodly humans - who are spiritually dead in their sins - and who are uncircumcised and are thus still in bondage to their flesh/sin CAN HAVE FAITH. People dead in their sins HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE FAITH.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

Proverbs 16:4 4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Isaiah 43:10 Open menu King James Version Open menu 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 46:9-10 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Jeremiah 1:5 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Ephesians 1:4-5 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Romans 8:28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Corinthians 3:6-9 King James Version 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. John 6:44- 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 15:16 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Acts 13:48 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 1 Peter 1:2 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Galatians 1:15 15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace, Ephesians 1:11-12 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Matthew 22:14 14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Acts 2:23 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Colossians 3:12 12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Revelation 13:8 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Jeremiah 1:5 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Romans 8:33 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.

[@timcox9650]

@@SavingSoulsMinistries If Predestination and Election were removed from the Bible, Christianity would stand essentially unchanged. Calvinism would collapse.

[@johndisalvo6283]

@@SavingSoulsMinistriesTry reading those verses IN CONTEXT WITHOUT YOUR TULIP GLASSES ON!

[@bobthrasher8226]

Col 2:12 "...in BAPTISM you were RAISED WITH HIM" - does that help? Since faith precedes baptism and being raised (regenerated) occurs in baptism then faith precedes regeneration. And yes, this is water baptism.

[@JohnK557]

@@bobthrasher8226No that is not water baptism. The same chapter you are quoting warns against beliefs like “water baptism is what saves people.”

[@Declared-righteous]

It’s fascinating that Leighton is creating anti-Calvinists out of people who might have only just had internal disagreements before. Yet these very same people have a lot to be thankful for to Reformed Christians in history who did much to break us away from Rome, propagate the written word and educate the masses in both literacy and theological understanding. Ironically, even Leighton would agree that Provisionists and Arminians have much to be grateful for to Calvin, Luther and many others.

[@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi]

"Leighton is creating anti-calvinists.." How, pray, tell is that possible? God ordained it - didn't He?

[@Declared-righteous]

@@UnfrozenCavemanLawyer-xq1qi What if God wants those who currently are behaving that way to hear and stop behaving that way? If He does, then He will no doubt use truth to do it. You’re talking with someone who believes that God allows people to make decisions. But God’s ultimate plans will be accomplished. In other words, like God uses the gospel to convict a man to repent and believe, God also uses other means to accomplish His will. Of which, is the sanctification of His children.

[@TheRootedWord]

This is all madness.

[@johnyates7566]

You say there are so many so called calvinist, I've only met 4 in my life, iam 64. I would have to say that would make that true. Whitefield, Luther, knox, c.h Spurgeon aw pink were all calvinist but u doctors are obviously much more versred in biblical truth i think rather that your flesh thinks that doctrine is unfair.

[@TwitchyThelogian]

We are represented in Christ before the foundation of the earth (Ephesians 1:4). This is the pretemporal union which gives rise to the actual union. Because of this pretemporal union we can be said to have been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ and other such things. This is all applied in time at which point we are born again and believe and are united to Christ in a temporal way and not just a representative way. At that point there is no condemnation. Btw, it is because of God we are in Christ 1Corinthians 1:30. It isn't an act of our free will. Get wrecked Provisionists. LOL. I love you brothers but you all are wrong.

[@GreatLightStudios]

Yes, of course it’s because of God that we are in Christ. No one here is arguing otherwise.

[@dw6528]

DW: Do you have a statement within the N.T. which identifies anyone who (at the time that letter was written) - is said to be represented in Christ - who is NOT already a believer?

[@TwitchyThelogian]

Ephesians 1:4 seems to make it clear that Paul was telling the church at Ephesus that the reason that they are currently saved is because God chose them in Christ. What was the purpose of that choice? That we be holy and blameless in his sight a.k.a justification. Are you currently holy and blameless in GOd's sight? Bc I am? Furthermore, you misrepresent or misunderstand my position.I am not saying that God PLACED us in Christ before we are justified. I am saying that we are represented in CHrist before we are justified which is why we can be said to have been crucified with Christ. @@dw6528

[@TwitchyThelogian]

Well, you guys seem to think that your free will caused you to be in CHrist. In the same way that you think that your free will caused you to be born again. I know you will say that God did that because you met a condition however, if a condition must be met and is met by you, then you contributed as the effectual cause of your new birth and union with Christ. @@GreatLightStudios

[@dw6528]

@@TwitchyThelogian DW: If think yourself as embracing Calvinism - then you are in denial of your own doctrine. Per the doctrine - no Calvinist has CERTAINTY of election - because the elect are a divine SECRET which only Calvin's god knows. This within Calvinism is called the doctrine of the *INVISIBLE* church. John Calvin explains -quote We are *NOT* bidden to distinguish between reprobate and elect - that is for god alone, not for us, to do. (Institutes 4. 1. 3.) -quote We must thus consider both god’s *SECRET* election and his *INNER* call. For *HE ALONE* knows who are his” (Institutes. 4. 1. 2.) Additionally - the Calvinist cannot depend upon any signs or indications of salvation within himself - because Calvin's god creates many CHAFF believers whom he divinely deceives with a *FALSE SENSE* of salvation. John Calvin explains -quote The Lord....instills into their minds such *A SENSE* ..as can be felt *WITHOUT* the Spirit of adoption. (Institutes 3.2.11) He illumines *ONLY FOR A TIME* to partake of it; then he....strikes them with even greater blindness (Institutes 3.24.8) Therefore we must leave to *GOD ALONE* the knowledge of his church, whose foundation is his *SECRET* election. (Institutes 4.1.4) Additionally - all of the promises within the N.T. to the ELECT do not apply to those Calvinists who have been created as CHAFF believers. The *ENUNCIATED* will of Calvin's god is in most cases the opposite of his *SECRET* will. So when the Calvinist reads any promise to the ELECT within scripture - such as "you are beloved" - he has no way of knowing if the *SECRET* will of Calvin's god (for himself) is the exact opposite.

[@rodneytruitt9335]

Once again you here them put down the Calvinist view, that God changes the person with regeneration then they believe. Listen to how they say all people are in Christ. It is because they believe through faith. Then ask them then how are all the babies who die in the womb become in Christ? What about all the infants, children, and mentally handicapped? How do they become in Christ? They don't actually tell you. Are they now going to believe in the God of Calvinism that actually saves people by His doing?