When Barbarians Fought For Romans And Romans For Barbarians.

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[@carlosmontelongo1468]

117K folowers, SOUNDS QUITE FAMILIAR DOESNT IT?

[@ale_s45]

Studying late antiquity is starting full of certainties like "evil barbarians invade Rome--->Rome falls" and keep finding out you didn't understand anything cause the reality was extremely complicated and full of layers

[@ldioticnuzhen99]

Because roman are too arrogant to self reflecting

[@alppac9341]

Same for the bronze age collapse. Sea people invasion = end of bronze age

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

Maybe the real Romans were the barbarians we civilized along the way.

[@TWOCOWS1]

Because he is banking on his good looks to get away with bigotary and bombast

[@vsgshdg2627]

One thing that's often forgotten is that although the Germans are depicted as over-running the Roman empire it was not with great numbers that they did this, that is, in relation to the size of Roman armies of the 1st and 2nd centuries. This highlights the state of the Roman economy at the time that it could no longer field large well equipped, well trained armies and had to rely instead on cheap (mostly disloyal) foederati. Had the (Western) Romans/Italians gotten their finances in order and fielded Roman armies (not foederati), they most certainly would have repelled the Germans and Eastern invaders as they had for centuries before.

[@andreweaston1779]

Mines run dry.

[@OhioDan]

Debasing their currency over the centuries certainly took its toll.

[@bc9402]

The thing about the foedarati is complicated, as while you did indeed have disloyal groups, others like the franks were pretty loyal and fought for Rome till the bitter end. The other thing is the issue with the foedarati, is this system goes back to the days of the crisis of the third century and perhaps even before, so it’s not like Rome was doing anything digitized what it had done before. Rather the issue was that Rome no longer had the high and mighty position of strength to negotiate terms that kept these tribes in line. By the time of the late empire, a lot of these tribes were on somewhat equal footing with the romans, which meant they could ask for terms that favored them rather than the empire itself.

[@josephbrown1153]

I think the key difference between the army of a Roman general/ a barbarian warlord who didn't claim to be the king of a people and that of a barbarian ruler who did claim to be the king of a people is that the latter stuck together. For example, when Count Boniface died after the battle of Rimini in 432, his troops simply went over to Aetius. Or when Odoacer was killed at a peace banquet in 493, his surviving troops were most likely absorbed into Theodoric's Ostrogothic army or they went home to the various lands they had come from. By contrast, the Visigoths stuck together between 410 and 418, even though successive kings of theirs were assassinated, and managed to carve out a new homeland for themselves in Aquitaine by successfully playing off different Roman factions against each other. That's where, as I see it, the difference between a Roman army and a barbarian people on the move becomes clearest.

[@mango2005]

The Franks in the 5th century were quite loyal to Rome until it fell, though some fought for the Huns. Julian or Constantius II had ceded Toxandria (Belgium or the Netherlands) to them in return for Federate status. In the Crisis of the Third Century it was a very different story, with the Franks raiding through Gaul as far as Spain.

[@jasonmuniz-contreras6630]

And this is how the Romano-Germanic Catholic civilization was created. A civilization which flourished during the medieval period up until the Protestant Reformation-French Revolution, more or less.

[@cerdic6586]

I despise Ricimer even more than Brutus

[@John-qd5of]

However, Brutus did have an effect. Had Julius Caesar lived, he would have carried out plans to significantly reform Roman institutions, and it is probable that these reforms would have affected Late Antiquity, too, because Caesar acted on a grand scale. ​@SanjayKumar-jd3bv

[@daguroswaldson257]

Remind me to have Senator Romanus as leader of the Aeternum Imperium party in my historical fiction book.

[@Austin-sw3mf]

Really interesting video. I love learning about late antiquity. It was really in my blind spot until after I played RTW: Barbarian Invasion in high school, but I really started studying it more after I played Total War: Atilla as an adult.

[@jameswest7945]

Kindof like America now

[@stephenchappell7512]

and Europe

[@jensphiliphohmann1876]

The entire Western world.

[@immortalobelisk6302]

What an incredibly simplistic and biased view of history

[@jedisith85]

Another interesting topic. Thank you! 👍

[@Daimon-X]

Divide et impera at it finest. Or "When the enemy of my enemy is my friend" C'est la vie.

[@neiladlington950]

"My right arm offends me... Left arm, cut it off!"

[@romanospartheniotis-calcea7854]

Another very important reason for the fall of the West and the economic misery, banditry and lack of Roman recruits and military units was the emigration of the most wealthy Romaean Patricii and Equetes to the New Rome. This process started with Constantine and the establishment of New Rome with a huge wave of such migrating families and ended few decades after the fall of Rome. Back than the ancients did't had banks and banking and when a person migrated he gathered his precious belongings and took them with him. This deprived the western economy from huge sums in gold. The depletion of the most wealthy and the most entrepreneurial social orders, made the Western Roman society hollow and this void was filled by good number of resourceful and ambitious Germanics.

[@liberatumtaiwanae3580]

Love from Taipei. I was wondering which sources you used for all the Roman helpers of Vandal invasion to Africa, but our Host you already said 6 min.into this vid., no direct proof BUT... I've read this blur of Barbarian or Roman before, esp. via your site here, but your new inspection, or say, review of the Empire's situation never ceases to amuse me. Keep this up. Love your work as always.

[@thevisitor1012]

I've always found it ironic that the Romans, who were known to divide up and conqueror their enemies, ultimately divided up and conquerored themselves.

[@LudwigSpiegel]

Thank you for another amazing video! Gratias tibi ago!

[@stevenvail6277]

Politics havent changed very much over the years...

[@voteforfreedom3725]

Exactly we seeing it happen in real time specific Roman sacking rome

[@franciscofunari2343]

Really dislike those ai imagines every roman soldier depicted here is completely inaccurate

[@daguroswaldson257]

My dad's best friend said the same thing with Romans sacking Rome.

[@ziomudru]

High taxes, high inflation, internal division, can bring down the greatest of the empires

[@blitzkrieg2928]

You are a good barbarian don.t come to the castrum tomorrow

[@kevinwheeler6715]

Excellent video! 😃

[@retrograd9824]

Can you make a video speaking about the internal structure of the Late Roman Legion? Such as their subunits like centuries and cohorts. Well speaking about Late Roman units and their organization in general.

[@richardsmith579]

Good stuff. Excellent.

[@nealwickham2865]

I believe all the wars, Germanic or Civil, were the result of urban decline and localization of economies. With nothing, like trade, giving societies a reason to work things out, they fought. Also, simpler economies could be administered with nothing more than tribal relationships. The Germanics, though few in number, were what are called "warrior elites" that could replace Roman administration if the economy was simple as it was in Germany. Below is from Ghat GPT on urban decline, but I adhere the the theory that the primary cause of urban decline was epidemiology. Pathogens that entered the Mediterranean from Asia after the Pax Romana had an easy time with urban Romans that used public fountains and public baths, that lived in crowded cities and attended large events at theaters and amphitheaters, and that lived in five story tenements. From Chat GPT about urban decline. . . . When was the urban decline in Western Empire and what are the estimates for decline in the ten largest cities? ChatGPT: The urban decline in the Western Roman Empire occurred gradually over several centuries, but it accelerated dramatically from the 3rd to the 5th centuries AD. This decline was driven by a combination of economic, political, military, and social factors, leading to a significant reduction in population, infrastructure, and the political importance of cities. Key Factors Behind Urban Decline: Political Instability and Civil Wars: Repeated power struggles, civil wars, and invasions throughout the 3rd to 5th centuries weakened the administrative and economic cohesion of the empire. Barbarian Invasions: From the 4th century onwards, barbarian groups like the Visigoths, Vandals, and Huns began to invade and settle in Roman territories. The sack of Rome by the Visigoths in 410 AD and the Vandals in 455 AD are symbolic of the broader decline. Economic Decline: Economic hardships such as inflation, breakdown of trade routes, and loss of tax revenues affected cities. As the empire fragmented, it became harder to maintain urban infrastructure. Plagues and Famine: Outbreaks of diseases like the Plague of Cyprian (mid-3rd century) and the Plague of Justinian (6th century) decimated urban populations. Famine also contributed to depopulation. Shift in Political Power: By the 5th century, much of the power and resources had shifted away from the cities of the Western Roman Empire to more defensible rural estates or the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium). Collapse of Urban Infrastructure: As the central government weakened, cities could no longer maintain their roads, aqueducts, and defenses. Public works, including baths, theaters, and arenas, were abandoned or fell into disrepair. Estimated Population Decline in the Ten Largest Cities: Here are some estimates for the urban decline in the largest cities of the Western Roman Empire between the 3rd and 5th centuries AD. These figures are approximations based on archaeological data and historical sources, as precise data are unavailable. Rome: 3rd Century Population: ~1 million. 5th Century Population: ~100,000-200,000. Decline: ~80-90%. Explanation: Rome was severely affected by repeated sacks, economic collapse, and political fragmentation. By the 5th century, its population had fallen drastically, though it remained the symbolic heart of the Western Empire. Milan (Mediolanum): 3rd Century Population: ~100,000-150,000. 5th Century Population: ~50,000-80,000. Decline: ~40-50%. Explanation: Milan served as an imperial capital in the late 3rd and early 4th centuries. However, it suffered from attacks by the Visigoths and Huns, leading to a significant reduction in population. Carthage: 3rd Century Population: ~300,000. 5th Century Population: ~50,000-100,000. Decline: ~60-80%. Explanation: Carthage, a major center of trade and administration, experienced a sharp decline after the Vandal conquest in 439 AD, though it remained an important city under the Vandals and later the Byzantines. Ravenna: 3rd Century Population: ~50,000-80,000. 5th Century Population: ~40,000-60,000. Decline: ~20-30%. Explanation: Ravenna became the capital of the Western Roman Empire in 402 AD. Although it remained a significant political center, the overall population declined due to instability and the collapse of the Western Empire. Trier (Augusta Treverorum): 3rd Century Population: ~80,000-100,000. 5th Century Population: ~10,000-20,000. Decline: ~80-90%. Explanation: Trier was one of the key cities in the Roman West and a seat of imperial administration. It was sacked multiple times by barbarian groups and suffered a dramatic population decline. Arles (Arelate): 3rd Century Population: ~75,000-100,000. 5th Century Population: ~20,000-40,000. Decline: ~50-70%. Explanation: Arles was an important administrative center in Roman Gaul but experienced a decline as the Western Empire crumbled and barbarian invasions escalated. Lyon (Lugdunum): 3rd Century Population: ~50,000-100,000. 5th Century Population: ~20,000-30,000. Decline: ~50-70%. Explanation: Lyon, a prominent city in Roman Gaul, saw its population shrink significantly due to economic difficulties and invasions. Aquileia: 3rd Century Population: ~80,000. 5th Century Population: ~10,000-20,000. Decline: ~75-90%. Explanation: Aquileia, a major trading city in northeastern Italy, was sacked by the Visigoths in 401 AD and the Huns in 452 AD, leading to its virtual destruction and population collapse. Naples (Neapolis): 3rd Century Population: ~30,000-50,000. 5th Century Population: ~10,000-20,000. Decline: ~50-70%. Explanation: Naples was not a major political center but remained important in southern Italy. It saw a decline in population due to the instability and decline of Roman power in the region. Cordoba (Corduba): 3rd Century Population: ~50,000-100,000. 5th Century Population: ~20,000-30,000. Decline: ~60-70%. Explanation: Cordoba, in Hispania (modern Spain), was a major Roman city, but its population declined as Visigothic power grew in the region. Broader Impact: Smaller Cities and Towns: Many smaller cities and towns across the Western Empire were abandoned or saw even sharper population declines. Urban life, a hallmark of the Roman Empire, was replaced by more rural, localized power structures, particularly as the Western Roman Empire dissolved. Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium): While the Western cities experienced significant decline, urban centers in the Eastern Roman Empire, such as Constantinople, remained relatively stable and continued to thrive for several more centuries. Conclusion: The urban decline in the Western Roman Empire, particularly during the 3rd to 5th centuries, was severe. Most of the largest cities saw their populations decrease by 50% or more due to a combination of invasions, economic collapse, and political instability. By the 5th century, cities that had once been vibrant centers of Roman culture and power were shadows of their former selves, setting the stage for the Middle Ages.

[@carlosfilho3402]

Congratulations on this video.

[@gula_rata]

Romans helping the barbarians to damage Rome is happening now. Kier Starmer is certainly helping the modern barbarians to harm England.

[@Vigoda.d]

In Another thousand years from now people will talk about and learn in history class how did The barbarians of today that emigrate and colonizing Europe took over and some people will learn in history books that's some Europeans helped the Invaders take Europe

[@IsengardMordor]

Thats a scary thought to have

[@mnk9073]

Edgy 14 years old gotta be edgy...

[@Vigoda.d]

@@mnk9073 HAHAHA and why do you think I'm 14 HAHAHA I'm over 30!!

[@muksimulmaad7413]

i feel like vigoda didnt understand the point of this video

[@anonanon9201]

European demographics will reverse when the american empire is finished collapsing. The real story will be why did white Americans help enemies of the American empire finally take it down? We of course know why, and the story will be told. Europeans have survived much harder times throughout history. We will make it through this too.

[@daless3526]

Seems the empire committed suicide. Kind of like today.

[@FieldHoodGaming]

Pagan Romans would have never behaved that way

[@Nom_AnorVSJedi]

The Late Roman Empire is so sad and depressing. During the Fall of the Han Dynasty, and beginning of the Three Kingdoms Period, heroes rose up to defend the Han Dynasty and sought to preserve a 400 year dynamic legacy. The Three Kingdoms Period was China’s Heroic Age, a time when heroes swore Oaths of Brotherhood in peach orchards, a time of courage and loyalty and great legendary deeds. Why didn’t heroes rise up during this time to defend the Roman Empire and its 1000 year legacy?? Where were the Roman brotherhood oaths? Why weren’t there Roman Liu Bei, Zhang Fei and Guan Yu performing legendary deeds to restore the Empire??

[@andreweaston1779]

Because central authority didnt fall in Rome (until the end obvs) It did in China. By the time it fell in Rome, it was much too late.

[@orionthanathos8861]

Han warlords like Liu Bei is no real hero at all! He is a charlatan, a pretender and a dangerous opportunist that lied, cheat and steal real Han royalty's land and troops!

[@Pancasilaist8752]

Because they didn't being romanticize in the same way that liu bei get.

[@megalodon3655]

Since you’re the second person who has white hair I am reminded of one my gaming teachers in high school during the pandemic. Well how’s this related to Rome well we were learning the history of board games and how they formed and maybe you heard of this game as it was made by the Romans it’s called nine men’s morris have you ever played it? Also fyi I sucked at the game 😢😭.

[@JosephPercente]

After a century of barbarian habitation in the empire, were still barbarians ? Was rome conquered by the romans?

[@henkstersmacro-world]

👍👍👍

[@georgepapatheofilou6118]

McDonald's effect didn't exist back then Western Empire. 🥛☕🍜🍺👍

[@brandisonpaul1016]

Rise men of the West moment

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

Hell,i really doubt western rome even fell at all

[@TreeOfWisdom2]

Paper, the reason why Rome fell. If Rome had paper money, they could pay their legions. People are dying for paper money today. Not to mention, the printing press would also produce propaganda and pass knowledge to future generations.

[@daguroswaldson257]

Oh, really? That would have made the problem worse!

[@mnk9073]

Inflation wants to know your location, it got a wide variation of terrific bridges to sell you.

[@CamdenIrwin]

​@@mnk9073 😂

[@fishingforzoras5299]

I'm trying to relax for bed watching this, but every 3 seconds or so there is an annoying ass chime or bell or some horrendous background sound that might supposed to be swords clanking or something, but it is so regular, incessant and beyond annoying that it makes this video unwatchable.

[@TWOCOWS1]

Why do you persist calling the Germanics the "barbarians"? That is an unexcusable bigotry and racism in modern English language. The word "barbarian" was used in Latin and by the Romans to mean FOREIGINERS. Then, either use the English term :foreigners" or "Germanics," unless you enjoy the piling absue and bigottary on other people because it gives you joy and satisfaction

[@Pancasilaist8752]

Because he himself was a german.

[@TWOCOWS1]

​@@Pancasilaist8752In ancient time and in Roman Latin (and Greek), it meant "foreigners" not savages. Today the term means savages. Even if the ancient used it, it had a different connotation. Using it today is more sadistic and self-congratulatory, to mean savages tongue-in-cheek.

[@NapoleonCalland]

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[@1994CPK]

what if the romans greeted the barbarians with open arms and gave them welfare right away?

[@MorinoRavenberg]

You keep using the phrase barbarians, keep in mind that that's a hypothetically vulgar phrase simply referring to Germanic tribes as I'm sure you already know; the Romans conventionally called them that because they viewed them as uncivilized compared to them.

[@palacehaunter5442]

Please dont include the post legacy byzantine history as Roman. Culturally they wete the result of the horrors of christianity in the eastern part and nothing lime the original Rome

[@bobrobinson1576]

Like it or not they were the Eastern Roman empire and that was what they called themselves and considered themselves right up to the end. They never called themselves Byzantine. Think of what you call yourself and someone tells you that you are not!

[@Mr_Squiggle]

Were they Romans? Rome lost the province. 26 years later, woukd they identify as Romans or part of the Vandal Kingdom.