When Everything is a Crime: Harvey Silverglate on the Overregulation of Ordinary Life

[@VeniVidiVid]

"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." Tacitus

[@3blinds]

saving this to my archive

[@homewall744]

It is amazing that we keep needing new laws despite the fact that all of the basic crime types have been illegal for centuries: murder, assault, fraud, destruction/diminishment/taking of property.

[@DanielBjorndahl]

was searching for this quote earlier. thank you

[@myname604]

@michaelatw86 Actually they did 150 years. But lets say you correctly said 200 years ago, they had horses, wagons, steam locomotives, and pretty much every industry we have today with exceptions to advances in technology. But so far most laws legalize crimes for special groups or industries and governments while invoking more restrictions on freedom. In 1989 the US gov enacted Noahide laws into public law and that introduces by definition of Noahide laws things like it is illegal to love Jesus. The laws require that those faithful to Jesus are to be beheaded. But Christians are not the only target of Noahide laws which are enacted into federal more than once insuring that they stick when the time comes to enforce them. Now even Putin is enacting Noahide laws incrementally in Russia as well, the UN also has Noahide laws implemented as universal UN laws. The Bolshevik revolution invoked Noahide laws and enforced them at the time murdering as much as 60 million Russians and at least 66 million Ukrainians. And much more! And they were allies against Germany, one of very few countries against global bankers, warmongers and Noahide laws. AND the ONLY way out of this, is total world wide civil war, the vs the governments.

[@Reubentheimitator6572]

myname604 .FCKgoogle Aside from few grammatical mistakes, I really like your comment.

[@robertblack6941]

This guy is right on - we DO have too many criminal laws.

[@MechaJutaro]

Sadly, his prediction("We're going to see a backlash")didn't come true. Quite the opposite

[@rynor7132]

Excerpt from the book Atlas Shrugged Dr. Ferris smiled. . ."We've waited a long time to get something on you. You honest men are such a problem and such a headache. But we knew you'd slip sooner or later - and this is just what we wanted." "You seem to be pleased about it," Replied Rearden. "Don't I have good reason to be?" "But, after all, I did break one of your laws." "Well, what do you think they're for?" Dr. Ferris did not notice the sudden look on Rearden's face, the look of a man hit by the first vision of that which he had sought to see. Dr. Ferris was past the stage of seeing; he was intent upon delivering the last blows to an animal caught in a trap. "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

[@anon2030]

The enemies that we all know are setting up their traps all around the Christians’ world!🌎 There’s No other explanations possible!

[@joez9839]

All statues should have a sunset clause of 5 years, then Congress has to vote. That'll cut down on worthless mandates.

[@UnluckyFatGuy]

"Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right." - Thomas Jefferson Jefferson thought that every law (and even the constitution) should be voted on every 19 years. He thought it was unjust of one generation to put laws in place that would affect the next.

[@joez9839]

Thanks UFG, I didn't know that.

[@ktrez2000]

Oh, yes. Try, try, try your best to work, somehow, someway into this your pet peeve.

[@deanfranklin9239]

wonder what that means

[@paull2815]

No nude statues!

[@learnerlearns]

EXCELLENT! Great interview! Nick does a yeoman's job of listening and asking cogent questions. More interviewers should adopt that paradigm! Silverglate is brilliant! I'm buying his books and spreading the word.

[@dudegoneblind]

Excellent Interview. Thanks Nick! Well done. I have 2 sons attending a liberal arts college in Mass. I was appalled by the restrictive speech practices. The only thing missing from the administration were the Brown Shirts.

[@chrissnyder3809]

"over" criminalization is subjective .... You can't regulate something based on unjust principles and expect it to become just . Criminal law must be abolished and every harm addressed as torts.

[@patrickday4206]

I don't know about the most extreme murder and the idea and concept of in a lawsuit is 51 percent the jury rules in your favor

[@Lurker1979]

It also happens locally too, not just at the Federal level. My county used vaig local laws to try to shut down a legally operating gun range with no criminal record. A place a lot of law enforcement has used for their own training in the past. Thankfully they beat it, but only after voting out the prosecutor. There are lot more examples of these in my county.

[@recynd77]

GREAT interview! Well worth the 45 minutes.

[@Donatellangelo]

This really is madness...

[@Teboski78]

Madness, THIS IS GOVERNMENT!

[@lawrencemiller3829]

To Goku: It is predictable that people who get power via government will abuse it against the people. A frequent abuse are regulations to hurt business competitors. Government contracts are written with specifics such that only one company can meet the requirements. ... This why we have the US Constitution to limit power and limit abuses. However there have been chronic violations of the US Constitution so it seems normal. There is no US Constitution police.

[@johnk2452]

@@Teboski78 yep, that SAME govt for which the MAJORITY of We The People continue to ELECT. Hmmm ... we The People have permitted this fascistic state and --- haha! --- we, inexorably, it seems, continue to build on and grow the powers of this fascistic state. Should not the more meaningful topic of this video been the question: why, we, a freeborn society, vote into control this destruction institution. Again, hmmm ...

[@myname604]

@@johnk2452 The constitution was once defended by the people who died fighting the civil war, since then nobody has defended it and thus "democracy" took over by brainwashing the descendants of strong and free people who all died fighting to keep that freedom. All over false pretenses still perpetuated to this day. Exactly the same sort of genocide was committed against Germany and likewise over false pretenses that are provably lies. The US constitution is invalidated by the acceptance of hundreds of laws that were passed over the last 160 years. The first time the constitution was changed should have invoked another civil war to protect the original and fundamental meaning and intention of its existence.

[@johnk2452]

@@myname604 I think that I understand, and, agree with, your general notion --- that, in some way, if we want our Constitutional Republic to survive, we need to defend and promote it --- but, I’m not sure that I get some of your specific notions. Let me quote you and address them ... one by one: [1] “The constitution was once defended by the people who died fighting the civil war, since then nobody has defended it and thus "democracy" took over by brainwashing the descendants of strong and free people who all died fighting to keep that freedom. All over false pretenses still perpetuated to this day.“ # I’m not sure what you mean when you say that “democracy” took over. Sure, I recognize your use of quotation marks, but, the fact is that we have always been a fundamental democracy ... and, certainly, I cannot agree when you say the "nobody has defended it". And, what are these “false pretenses still perpetuated to this day”? JUDAS politicians, who have sold down the river the lot of us LEGAL American taxpaying citizens, rule the roost in the DC Swamp, where their stock in trade is false pretenses, but, can you be a bit more specific regarding these false pretenses? [2] “Exactly the same sort of genocide was committed against Germany and likewise over false pretenses that are provably lies.” # Yes, very grave injustices have been done to WE The People, SINCE the ratification of our Federal Constitution --- it is next to impossible to find a DC Swamp politician who has honored their SACRED OATH OF OFFICE … to protect the unalienable rights of each and every one of us --- but, please tell me where is this “SAME sort of GENOCIDE”? Are you not going too far with such wording? [3] “The first time the constitution was changed should have invoked another civil war to protect the original and fundamental meaning and intention of its existence.” # Certainly, I cannot predict the future, and, yes, a civil war is possible, but, for the reasons you stated, such would be totally UNAMERICAN. [And, yes, I understand fully the precise definition of Americanism … as defined, and, agreed to by all LEGAL Americans, as stated in our DOI.] Our Founders and Framers provided to us the VALUES, the PRINCIPLES, the OUTLINE and the INSTRUCTIONS on how to correct our off-course anti-liberty excursions; however, the great majority of American citizens, although they know the “buzz-words” and “buzz-phrases”, are two steps away from being totally ignorant regarding such instructions. This wanton IGNORANCE --- this profound lack of patriotic vigilance --- is our NATIONAL SHAME; our NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT ... and, collectively, it is NO ONE'S fault except OURS. IOW: the BUCK STOPS with US, WE The People, and NO ONE ELSE. In a nation, supposedly, SELF-GOVERNING, if we are to remain ignorant of these existing instructions, no civil war is going to save us. The difference between then and now is that back then the great majority of Americans had some sort of working moral compass --- based in Judeo-Christian ethics --- where, today, that is hardly the situation. Sure, WE The People can now have another civil war, but, when we are finished, because of this current collective lack of a pro-liberty morality, few people --- unlike our Founders and Framers, who KNEW and wrote down the VALUES which define Americanism --- will know what to do with the results. Such results could almost be predictable: it will be the greatest MESS ever seen on the face of the earth ... and, it will look NOTHING LIKE America. If interested, I can outline what, as instructed by our Founders and Framers, would be an American solution, but, that is up to you. In the meantime, keep your powder dry, your ammo ready and may God help us ALL; give us wisdom and strength.

[@3blinds]

vices aren't crimes

[@Floccini]

He makes a claim, 3 felonies a day, and is unable to back it up, which is shame because the reality is pretty bad. He talks about salesmen but Government fraud prosecution is rather insufficient on the other hand people are arrested for selling drugs every day which should not be against the law. Taxes are so complicated most middle-class folks over 40 could easily break the law accidentally and plenty more but not 3 felonies a day.

[@mittarv1162]

Socialism and liberalism is responsible for this situation.

[@LogicBob]

I sure wish Three Felonies would be released in audiobook format!

[@Paul-A01]

That would be against the law :^)

[@insanitiesinfliction]

To true

[@terpag11]

Omg. Yes! This is exactly what I think about government. "There ought to be a law about it" - yuck. Part of the problem is full time and even career politicians.

[@catsmadera5196]

Professor Silverblade: Please be informed that adjuncts are the most oppressed members of the teaching staff. They are all not incompetent probably the ratio tenured faculty has as many bad apples as adjuncts. During budget cuts no administrator loses job rather course offering is reduced.

[@emmettwalz]

Yeah, but what is it about, that matters in any significant HUMANIST way? As soon as I heard his recognition of Dershowitz as a significant man to be admired, I then knew that I had already listened too long!

[@bradmowreader5983]

You sir are an ass who has not acquired a single thumb or comment in 2 years. Maybe you shouldn't Miss represent if you want to enter the conversation. And I find it really interesting that the dershowitz passing comment came very late in the interview. I happened to be reading your comment when that portion of the video past and so I stopped to give you this blistering . No mention of admiration or significant man. Wow incredibly unimpressive. It's a good thing I have voice recognition software because I sure wouldn't bother typing any of this out for the likes of you.

[@mfraser8413]

If you've been protesting recently, I guarantee that this man will teach you something.

[@anonymousanonymous-wc4wx]

Wire fraud. "Is people actually being prosecuted on that" .......yes!!! Nickola founder. I never knew what wire fraud meant until now.

[@stevenkennedy]

Outstanding interview.

[@criskatan]

The campuses have their own reasons for becoming bureaucratized? Privatized {secretly} is more like it! Hidden owners. How else do you explain the huge rises in tuition over the years??

[@johncasey1020]

I need to watch this one again.

[@tbmike23]

Local neighborhood park in my small hometown on a corner, no fences, no gates, had a sign and somewhere on it were posted hours of operation. Police would actually arrest kids for cutting the corner through the park after it was closed, then that would be followed up with actual prosecution, which would go to court. Several friends of mine, while minors, had to lawyer up and go to court dates for criminal trespass, for walking through the neighborhood park. It's no wonder people have no trust in government, when it actively seeks to be your enemy at almost every turn.

[@JimC]

If you can't listen to the whole thing, at least start at 23:26 and listen for a few minutes. This is at the heart of many of today's problems, including free/hate speech, privilege, etc.

[@garybobst9107]

Bottom line...it's a protection racket.

[@jichaelmackson1805]

I'm on the left, and I agree with most of what he's saying. The real conflict is not between left and right, it is between freedom and tyranny. There are tyrants and freedom living people on both sides of the political spectrum, you have to be smarter to think outside the left right dichotomy.

[@fenrir7878]

A left wing dictatorship or a right wing dictatorship will still oppress you, they just do in different ways for different reasons. Pick your poison.

[@formerevolutionist]

What is the difference between a law and a regulation? It seems you are punished for breaking both.

[@asahearts1]

formerevolutionist A law is put in place by legislators, like a senate. A regulation is usually put in place by a regulating body (such as the department of labor), which is created by legislators and given certain powers.

[@formerevolutionist]

So regulations are de facto laws? The US Constitution is quite clear on how laws are to be made. It is difficult by design to make new laws, and there are many ways to stop them. The reason for this is to prevent laws from increasing exponentially and to help ensure new laws are just. Before, the king could just make a new law on a whim and grant more power to his servants. It seems now the same thing has happened again.

[@asahearts1]

formerevolutionist The Interstate Commerce Commission was the first US regulatory agency, founded in 1887, so it's been that way since at least then :)

[@lawrencemiller3829]

Morgan: Being old and not challenged does not necessarily means it is correct or legit. This whole notion of unelected bureaucrats making regulations seems wrong. An example of abuse is the EPA regulations on waters of the USA as reported by ReasonTV.

[@homewall744]

The regulation is a law enacted without legislative+executive approval as required by the constitution.

[@MaskHysteria]

One needs to look no further than the Coastal Commission or AQMD in California to realize how insanely invasive overregulation has become.

[@Scottit]

I just did "this & this" which did not harm anybody, but I am guilty of something.

[@geekinutopia5899]

I know, and even after you get released from prison, your life is ruined by a criminal record for the most harmless of things,

[@frankherman5195]

How can we have lawmakers If they can't make laws? They'll be unemployed. We can't pay them if they're not doing their job. There should be a law

[@sybrandvangalen2276]

SPY VERSUS SPY my favourite

[@YourUncle8501]

No victim, no crime.

[@BlGDaddyRob]

Honestly Ill take nailing someone lying while selling something. I cannot for the life of me understand why our culture tolerates just blatant lying by salesman and businesses.

[@VideoDroidORG]

Great interview!! Thank you for introducing me to this incredible common sense genius

[@Desertpuma]

Great interview, Nick!

[@FishKungfu]

Great interview! Looking forward to the new book next year.

[@rakeshmital5426]

2019 CE: i just love this interview...both Silvergate and Gillespie are outstanding

[@danielbenedict8818]

He says the people will begin to wake up because everyone either has been abused by the system and/or know someone who has been. I think one problem is that this does not really address the whole other issue - there are many laws, statutes, regulations, etc. which are only loosely enforced and many are not enforced at all. We become desensatized to the enormous regulatory framework hanging over our heads simply because we constantly break so many regulations but only a small percentage are prosecuted/punished; meanwhile, the hidden threat continues to grow ever larger.

[@trippyhippie8630]

Pulled over for having my blinker on for 15 seconds tonight....

[@homewall744]

No harm/victim, no crime.

[@deborahvenetucci3470]

Best KZbin video EVER!!!!

[@Donatellangelo]

Nah really, I was walking along some railroad tracks once....that was a felony, for real? D:

[@garybobst9107]

Naaa,just trespassing.They'll wag a finger at ya and cut you loose.You'll lose a day dealing with the legal system.

[@paleolibertariancaucus9587]

Excellent.

[@scotgat]

I would not, by any stretch of the imagination, call myself a defender of law enforcement. Quite the contrary, I am usually very critical of the U.S police force and the judicial system in America. However, the example of Bob McDonnell is a very poor example for Mr. Silverglate to use. McDonnell was indicted on federal corruption charges for receiving improper gifts and loans from a Virginia businessman. He was convicted on most counts by a federal jury but the United States Supreme Court unanimously vacated the conviction-then the Justice Department ended up dismissing all charges. No matter what your political leanings may be, we don't want our politicians accepting gifts to then, in turn, provide favors to a businessman, a real estate developer, etc. This is how other governments may operate, but we don't want our government to be one that operates through gifts in order to receive a functioning government. If the McDonnell affair tells us anything, it is that our justice system (no surprise) is slanted in favor of the wealthy and powerful. McDonnell was able to walk away because he is white and the Governor of Virginia. Presumably, if there are anti-corruption laws, he either committed them or did not commit them. There should be no grey area about whether or not it is illegal to accept gifts as Governor. These anti-corruption laws, one would think, would be explicitly and definitely written without any question about what is a crime and what is not. Yes, the system is broken but it isn't broken in the way Silverglate is explaining it. It is broken because so called "justice" is distributed very unevenly. It's just one more ingredient in the recipe for an all-out revolution in this country that will probably not be too peaceful. And it isn't as if that has not happened before. I would also hazard a guess that this "upstart bureaucrat" who brought charges against a rich and powerful man such as McDonnell, is no longer employed at the Justice Department.

[@kirkland5674]

Agreed. Marcuse can be applied to those in power as they should be held to a higher standard. Sunlight is great, but not always enough.

[@richardstorm4603]

The Commerce Clause is only to prevent one state from taxing goods from another state. It says nothing about how a citizen can conduct business over the phone or through the internet. You can check it right there in Federalist Papers No. 22 (4th para) and Federalist No. 42 (9th & 10th paras). And no, the Supreme Court does not have the authority to DEFINE any purpose of any clause in the Constitution. They only have the authority to go by what the Constitution and its Federalist Papers say about the clauses in our Constitution. If you do not believe me, I dare you to study Federalist Papers No. 33 and No. 78. There is a lot more, but we'll just start with these two papers. And no, there is no clause in the Constitution that grants the federal government to seize state lands from any state. Thus, ALL national parks and all national, wildlife preserves are a usurpation of power by the criminals in our federal government. This means that the federal government does not have the authority to set regulations on how people can travel on their state lands. All of this is not my opinion. This is exactly what our founders said in the Federalist Papers. I suggest that you study it.

[@rustym.shackelford5546]

Dude it doesn't matter anymore. Lots of people to go Federal Prison & become Felons simply for making unsavory comments/having unpopular opinions - your rant doesn't help. The best thing for anyone to do is to simply leave The US for somewhere else (Croatia here I come - or maybe even Albania).

[@voswouter87]

It can't be 'fixed'. The only real improvement is to reduce government power. And the only real solution is to abolish government. Show me one case where government did something good.

[@ekaterinavalinakova3945]

How about a Sunset clause for every law every 20 years. Exceptions: Rape, Murder and Grievous Bodily Harm and crimes on or near that level, no renew requirement for those crimes. Have a mens rea requirement for *Every* *Single* *Criminal* *Statue*

[@elizabethm5794]

Was "Conviction Machine" ever published? I am unable to find it.

[@Christian-bc2es]

Looking forward to the new book

[@LifeStrategiesNet-since-1992]

The words of Herbert Marcuse at about 24 minutes are VERY INDISTINCT. please print them on the screen so they do become intelligible.

[@UNCClassof15]

What documentary is this guy in talking about his “three felonies a day”? I can’t recall. Wish I could.

[@johnbrown92]

You think campuses are bad now? just think if it becomes free.

[@Drumsgoon]

Whatever my qualms with the USA, as long as these types of folks in the good old tradition of liberty are so eloquently defending it, there is still hope for that great nation, a hope I am sad to say I have lost for my small European nation, if not the whole of Europe, since this tradition of thought has hardly existed here, and the ground is as fertile as a desert...

[@8520204]

Three felonies; a great book.

[@rustym.shackelford5546]

I am interested in reading that book though I heard in a review it focuses a little too much on high profile cases. I could be wrong (I really just want to read it).

[@davidg5629]

The anti-Soros.

[@henrygarciga]

The most informed commentary on how expansion of bureaucracy, coupled with dependency of Federal funds, has riddled our institutions with an obsessive compunction to satisfy multiple layers of an over-regulated environment . That a huge percentage of federal budgets are comprised of hundreds of thousand employees with little useful work to do, yet are continually budgeted year after year without serious review or accounting as to their effectiveness, becomes a tool that is directly opposed to the very constitutional rights they are deemed to protect and preserve. DHS was an unnecessary response to the terrorist attacks of 9-11 which were wholly homegrown and sponsored in-house, with additional help of several foreign intelligence agencies. This little brainchild of Nazi-styled officials like Cheney, Rumsfeld , Wolfowitz, Robert Mueller head of the FBI , Giuliani , key federal judges and their accomplices all worked to suppress these State Crimes Against Democracy, with the media willingly carrying their deceitful messages.

[@geekinutopia5899]

Heavily armed state thugs enforcing the wishes of politicians and putting people in prison for victimless acts, sounds like totalitarianism to me!

[@ktrez2000]

The bureaucracy is expanding to fullfill the needs of the expanding bureaucracy. We are doomed. It is a sad thing to hear that it's necessary for those in power to get hurt for change to ensue. Meanwhile, many, many people of lesser power are plowed into the earth. I don't understand why Silvergate thinks that those of the Liberal Arts Colleges should be for some reason superior and able to tolerate rough speech. Maybe he should study which group of students on campuses around the country are most tolerant and learn something from that.

[@Tholtfan]

Lol I went to University of Cincinnati, the school featured in the “free speech zone” segment.

[@JimC]

30:24 DEA tries to set him up.

[@spiritofgoldfish]

How many corrupt professionals are in prison compared to petty potheads?

[@lawrencemiller3829]

Notice the differential rights don't consider differences in actions between people. This is like the wealth inequality not considering the inequality in abilities, actions, and efforts. ... Abolish affirmative action.

[@kevalan1042]

Not nearly enough views on this, only 31K after over two years.

[@soxphanvt]

I started to watch this video with the hopes of learning something new. However, the discussion of mens rea was very triggering. I felt oppressed by the patriarchy and had to retreat to my safe space and color in my therapeutic coloring book. Can we please substitute mens rea with "hers rea" from now on so I am no longer triggered.

[@healthhavencom]

Can we build a wall around DC? How high?

[@ironmanjakarta8601]

Answer: Trump.

[@paulmiller9504]

Mens rea does not mean that you intend to violate the law. It means you intended to do the act that is against the law. Ignorance of the law is no defence, as they say. Good interview, but he is wrong on that point.

[@disecke]

Nick, please stop interrupting your guest.

[@johntalbot6822]

I commit at least 3 felonies before I leave the trap.... Who else got raided while quarantining? Netflix and chill or sexflix and pills? #mge

[@jerryscanas]

I love how contradictory to the stereo type this guy is

[@jerryscanas]

Makes sense Mr. Silvergate.

[@mcjcave18]

❤😊

[@DanielBjorndahl]

16:00 the free speech zone is in a pentagram

[@Kevinegan1]

This dude dances around too many questions. He talks and talks but doesn't directly address the questions. The reporter does what too many reporters do. He asks a question and then just sits there while the subject rambles on and on, never answering the question. Then he does not follow up to get the answer, he just moves onto the next question. A subject is not answering a question just because he is speaking. This subject answers some questions but obscures too many other ones by rambling.

[@blarg539]

This guy stutters more than Biden.

[@qwertyplm13does51]

timeS Every single time ;)

[@ianmcnaney6528]

Ridiculous. Heaven forbid that law enforcement has so little to do that they do their job and ticket you for breaking the law. The "mens rea" argument makes no sense. Oops, the dump valve on my septic tank service truck "accidentally" opened while I was parked next to your favorite fishing spot, and I "accidentally" dumped 10,000 gallons of septic sludge. Thanks for building a parking lot there! It wasn't my fault, I was on lunch break! I didn't mean to do it, so I'm not liable!

[@ianmcnaney6528]

I take it that you're a practicing lawyer then, having passed the bar exam in at least one state, and you're enlightening me and our fellow readers. Fair enough. I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong. So, prove it. Let's have some case examples where someone "accidentally" dumping their septic service truck's tank into the lake while parked at a boat ramp, or something similar, has been excused because "mens rea" didn't apply. Good luck. I'd love to be astounded by the results of your assuredly thorough investigation. I'll start a septic service business immediately and dump it in your favorite nearby body of water. Edit: "In civil law, it is usually not necessary to prove a subjective mental element to establish liability for breach of contract or tort, for example." So in a way you're correct. It doesn't matter if you intended to cause the damage, you're still liable.

[@ianmcnaney6528]

Fair enough, with a few quibbles. The EPA has a thing about sewage. Every state park department of states I've ever lived in has had a thing about sewage. The BLM has a thing about sewage. To generalize, don't dump your shit in public waters. It sounds so simple, doesn't it? I don't think "mens rea" means what you think it does. It roughly translates to "intent", and is apparently irrelevant for civil cases. If your cow farted and knocked over my fence that's still your fault, even though you didn't intend the astonishingly powerful cow fart to happen. If your cow farted and it killed a guy... well you're not criminally liable because you and your cow had no intent to kill the guy, so there's no "mens rea", so there's no criminal guilt.

[@deanfranklin9239]

i think you just dont get it

[@kikcodog]

Nick, your comment about the individual's power of free speech didn't age well. I think the tech powers to be heard you and began their deplatforming campaigns.

[@sergio_botero]

I'm triggered...