When F1 Ran At The NURBURGRING (And Was Fast)

[@droussel7359]

If I had a track record still standing, I'd also brag about it at every opportunity 😅

[@elahracheabdelhak7748]

919 evo failled to break it thats like the best bragging right ever

[@329376676]

I'd creat bragging opportunities in every sentence I say until I die.

[@TrevorDennis100]

I used to know the guy, Neal Champion, who still holds the John O'Groats to Lands End motorcycle record. This was way back in 1984 on a Kawasaki Z750Turbo and he did it in 11 hours and 14 minutes including fuel stops. He says it would be hard to beat now because of the average speed cameras on the motorways. BTW I knew Neal on the uk.rec.motorcycles Usenet group, and (I think) the Ixion email group. I wonder if anyone reading this remembers those groups, and the Cadwell Park track days?

[@AdamMi1]

Fair enough

[@natebelcher3401]

I for one don’t get tired of hearing about your Brands Hatch lap record

[@Driver61]

🤣 Thank goodness.

[@jakesmiley1988]

I agree. Your record is absolutely bonkers. Cheers mate.

[@PhillipAlcock]

Yeah but it’s only the Indy Circuit record 😉

[@MoreThan7Digits]

@@PhillipAlcock meaning its shorter and so more perfection is needed 😉

[@NexuJin]

@@Driver61 When will you show us how you did your lap time in a sim?

[@Druwoods]

Your lap held up against an automotive giant lap record smashing machine. I would say you're allowed to be proud of that.

[@T0mmyTune]

As we all know by now, Niki never said it was too fast, he said, there wasn't proper medical & track safety folks stationed around the circuit.

[@jimiverson3085]

With a track length of 23km (was longer then) and 175 corners, that becomes a serious logistics problem. You would need over 1000 marshals to properly staff the course for a Formula One race.

[@tigershoot]

@@jimiverson3085 And it could have totally different weather in one section to another.

[@jimiverson3085]

@@tigershoot And did in a number of grands prix. Of course the most famous case of different weather on another part of a course was on the old (fast and deadly) Spa in 1966. Overcast at the start and the field hit a wall of water going into Masta - captured on film because John Frankenheimer had Phil Hill following the field in a camera car and that footage made the mover "Grand Prix." kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6avkGmcYriHqpY

[@eclipsegst9419]

It's a damn shame that "blame the track" attitude ruined so many great tracks. You can add run off and safer barriers and etc without having a tiny track like most now. Sheesh we have drones and megascreens for spectators in the stands to get to see the whole race now, and also immediately notify officials of a crash the moment it happens, it would be less of a problem than ever. Tracks should be challenging and fast!

[@eclipsegst9419]

@@jimiverson3085 That's ridiculous. With drones we can tell if a crash happened immediately. There could be like, 10 or 15 stations each with fire and medical, that would be as close as the ones in the infield of a modern track is give or take. And some areas need very little attention because they are easy sections and therefore lower risk, and others more because they are more difficult sections more prone for someone to make a mistake. With modern equipment there would be no need for anywhere near 1000 people to have an acceptable response time.

[@georgedreisch2662]

No apology needed for bringing up your Brands Hatch record, as it adds credibility to this / your presentation. Thanks for sharing.

[@FabledGentleman]

Can't wait for Adrian Newey's RB17 to set a lap there, i really hope someone will. It's almost guaranteed that it will become the fastest road legal of all time on that track. And maybe it won't be beaten for decades.

[@tristankuypers4757]

RB17 isn't road legal as far as I know, the Aston Martin Valkyrie is so that one would probably destroy the record

[@FabledGentleman]

@@tristankuypers4757 There is going to be road legal versions of the RB17, it has been confirmed by Lanzante. it won't be exactly the same, it will have some mirrors and stuff, but it will still be insanely fast.

[@AC-wl7ve]

@@FabledGentleman i dont know if a lanzante build really counts. theoretically they could road legal a 919. i also doubt a lanzante rb17 owner will trying to break nurb track record lol.

[@tristankuypers4757]

@@FabledGentleman Oh wow that's really cool! Didn't know

[@serenawatkins6875]

@@tristankuypers4757 The Valkyrie is an amazing bit of kit. It's probably the only road car I know that has to be modified to make it slower for racing so that it is competitive against purpose built racing cars i.e. the WEC. I have no doubt that a Valkyrie, especially the Pro version, would be quicker than the 919 Evo's time.

[@austinreed5805]

0:37 Don’t say “nice”, don’t say “nice”, don’t say “nice”…

[@user-tn4ix6ir6z]

"Ni-oof"

[@Kylian381]

Oof was just about to say...

[@Jahnno]

a very respectful and solemn "nice" is still acceptable i think.

[@lukew6725]

0:18 I think the Isle of Man wants to have a word with you.

[@astralfields]

Not a permanent circuit. It's all public roads which get closed for races.

[@NuclearHeadshot]

​@@astralfieldsTECHNICALLY, the Nordschleife is actually public road.

[@christopherabramor3012]

@@astralfields Depending on the type of car, Bathurst esses can be more dangerous.

[@Flaggyt]

​​@@astralfieldsthe Nordschleife is a public road that gets closed for races.

[@astralfields]

@@Flaggyt @NuclearHeadshot That's also not correct. The Nordschleife is a race track which gets turned into a private toll road when there is not currently a race, practice, or track day. It's never an actual public road.

[@adamlake9507]

6:52 anyone else want a montage of Scott dropping his lap record 😆😆

[@JohnCharb87]

Happy you mentioned Road & Track magazine. One of the finest American automotive publications. I believe the late Phil Hill was an editor/contributor. I liked Ampersand which featured news, editorials, and humorous musings in the automotive world. What set it apart from Motor Trend and Car and Driver at one point were scale drawings of each vehicle.

[@kentmcelrath1151]

Much respect to these teams and drivers, I’ve drive the Nurburgring several times, the last was in a 1976 Ford Capri w/ a turbo 2.3 (498hp) built suspension, race tires, etc that track is very fun yet also very, very tricky……it’s really a shame that it’s not used for more events, races, etc there’s no better track to prove expertise and skill for driver and teams alike.

[@alsa4real]

I'm genuinely surprised that the 919 evo didn't clock the fastest time at brands hatch against such an old formula race car

[@peniku8]

iirc I read something about them not having the right tyres (old ones or something) for the weekend so they just abandoned the lap record

[@michaelarmer256]

@@peniku8 abandoned is a good cop out word for they wasn't fast enough

[@peniku8]

@@michaelarmer256 They didn't have the race tyres the car normally runs on and said in an interview that they didn't map the hybrid system to the circuit either. They got within 0.1s of the record still, which I think is quite impressive. Read the full interview (on Autosport), it's quite interesting.

[@markchapman2585]

Every year, Honda F1 comes to my backyard in Toronto. They race on pavement. It's bumpy, not like a smooth race track. They sound so good. Cheers 🍻

[@yramos8887]

Redbull should do a no rule F1 build to try and get that record, that would be such a redbull thing to do😂

[@AC-wl7ve]

forsure. love redbull for that crazy shit.

[@gonzo1354]

Newey left

[@GamezGuru1]

except a no rule F1 car wouldn't look anything like an F1 car....

[@Arlechinu]

No rules / F1 - pick one 😂

[@yramos8887]

Hmm maybe F1 inspired then🤔

[@petasmith6258]

The thing with the Porsche on the Nurburgring, is if you watch the video on KZbin, the Porsche hits the rev limiter in top gear on just about all the straights. If the car had an extra gear or different last ratio, it could have been a few seconds quicker.

[@fuzzynutter8344]

I've noticed that and I believe top speed may have been restricted due to the limits of the hybrid system (rather than gearing), which was also the case with some of the LMP1 cars at Le Mans where some cars weren't accelerating further beyond a certain speed.

[@NexuJin]

I read they were holding back a bit on that Porsche run. In case something would happen at those high speed.

[@C41N4]

Jimmy Broadbent made a video where he lapped it in 5m13.6 with a current McLaren F1

[@Vixeinn]

In a video game 😂

[@NexuJin]

@@Vixeinn Assetto Corsa is one of the best consumer level sim out there. It's not like we're talking about Forza or Gran Turismo.

[@Vixeinn]

@@NexuJin doesnt even compare to real life you wont feel any g forces or danger driving no wind trying to make yor car slow or faster ☠️

[@GozuTenno962]

@@Vixeinn not to mention it doesnt simulate ground effect. Plus we are forgetting that its a third party mod which means it will have very inaccurate stats, performance and physics.

[@NexuJin]

@@Vixeinn Hence the "consumer level" part of my statement. Never even tried to claim it was real life.

[@RecreationRendezvous]

Great "What if" video! I believe one key aspect was left out in the F1 comparison: fuel consumption is now limited on F1 power units, which in turn affects the top rev range and overall available power. A fairer comparison might ask, "What if F1 cars didn't have the fuel limitations?" It would be interesting to see if, with their current ground effects, they could beat the Porsche under those conditions.

[@benfulford3943]

What if they had active aero? What if they had exhaust blown diffusers? What if they had traction control? What if they had active suspension?

[@gregd806]

I'd say that the 2021 Car would be the best for the Run: Less Ground effect, which is better for bumpy roads, Less Bounce, Wider, but also more Speed.

[@GarfieldRex]

I wonder how the 2003 Williams FW25 would do there with slicks. The simulation would be nice

[@fuzzynutter8344]

I still find Stefan Bellof's time of 6mins 11 secs astounding. And that it stood for so long too considering the 956 was not just a standard car, but the car was 36 years old with ‘only’ around 650-700bhp by the time the 919 Evo officially beat it.

[@garagecedric]

That 6:11 time would be considerably faster today considering how much faster the track is, it was very rough back then, they have also shaved of some of the bigger humps like in Schweden creuz and flugplats.

[@twanvorstenbosch]

the 6:11,13 of stefan bellof during qualifying for the 1000km of nürburgring was bonkers , but the most impressive thing is that he did a 6:25,91 during the 1000km race with lots of traffic 🤯

[@geoffnelson4777]

@@twanvorstenbosch Bellof's time(s) were done in '83 over, I think, the identical layout that Lauda faced in '75 when he was the first to "officially" go under 7 min in quali for the GP. It's not well known but in '74, a few days after the Belgian GP, I believe it was, Lauda and Regga tested at the 'Ring and Lauda went 6:59 something with Regga like 7 min and a fraction. I visited the 'Ring three times...'89 'Ring 24 Hrs (with two DTM heats as well), '90 Eifelrallye and '92 Deutschlandrallye.

[@twanvorstenbosch]

@@geoffnelson4777 the ring is a very special place , i'm lucky to live pretty close to the ring ( in the netherlands , 260 ish kilometers from the ring ) i'm there almost every weekend and i visit the Nürburgring 24hrs every year , its magical

[@cyubahiroyves2899]

The biggest advantage of the Evo is its rapid acceleration to top speed. It reaches its top speed much quicker, and during the Nürburgring record run, the limiter was set at 369 km/h. I believe speed is the only edge it has over an F1 car, which leads me to think that the 2024 cars would still break the record with DRS activated. The ground effects on these versions are significantly improved compared to the 2022 models.

[@mogelkaiser1876]

been there in 2023. best event of my life, the rb7 and rb8 screaming around the ring as well as the bmw m1 procar, ford supervan 4, gt3 cars, nascar and many more...

[@Toronado7590]

Hello Scott, hello team, I have been watching your channel for 3-4 years now, and I would like to say that I think I have noticed a big improvement in the clarity of explanations, and transitions between topics. Maybe this is just my mind playing tricks, but anyways, the point is : your videos are clear and interesting, and I would like to thank you guys for that. Cheers!

[@jameshandaja1536]

4:00 Officially, Nick Heidfeld clocked 8:34 4:43 But he could have clocked 5:57 - 5:58 9:12 Red Bull RB8 could have clocked 5:13 11:31 2024 F1 car would probably clock 5:23

[@bayern1806]

And I could have clocked 4:09 with my bicycle. I simulated it, trust me bro.

[@ren_03]

*Lap record exists* Scott Mansell: Anyway, would you like to hear about my lap record at brands hatch?

[@jimiverson3085]

So, what would the 919 EVO done in a simulation? The drivers still faced the constraints about dealing with the risks of the track as a real thing, which probably meant they weren't doing 100% over the full lap. A simulation run has the advantage of not facing the possibility of dying IRL if you make a mistake. The 919 EVO is also stuck with 2017 tire technology - current tires would probably be quicker. Regarding aero effects and suspension, there is more to the 'Ring than being bumpy. There are several spots on the circuit where the car goes airborne. That could be dicey with cars set up for a lot of ground effects downforce.

[@nuttycommuter3718]

Every time I see shots of Spa, I’m blown away by what an amazing circuit it is.

[@marius_thsch]

Thanks for another informative video 😊 Loving the new look of these videos! It’s so great to see that you’re evolving and really finding your visual esthetic 🎉

[@lex0005]

@driver61 I've always loved Laguna Seca, from the moment I drove it on Papyrus Racing Sims in the 90s. There's something magical about it - the corkscrew is beautiful. What is stopping F1 from racing there?

[@TheTutch]

okay so i have not see the entire video yet, but im going to hasard a guess at what modern groundeffect F1 cars could do on the Nordschleife: It's hit a bump, lose most of their downforce and spin at high speed or crush the drivers spine at Karussell

[@JonnyWho]

I'm just waiting for the McMurtry Spéirling to run the Ring. It seems to be breaking every lap record on every track it tries. Scott, I think your Brands Indy lap will be done if, they go there.

[@meekrab9027]

Batteries will run out and the ground effects won’t work

[@johnland7318]

It's too small to drag the battery pack to run for 16 miles..

[@iSantosVinicius]

I think that there's something important to add: no matter who drove the Porsche, this person isn't nearly as fast as an f1 driver, so that matters when it comes to spa, for example. Imagine what Max, Hamilton, Leclerc or Russell could have done with that car.

[@SebastianBeckerPhoto]

All fair and square math, problem being: It is reasonably probable, that the 919 evo time will never be broken. Remember, that Timo Bernhard knows the ring better than almost anyone, it basically is his backyard. If you watch the onboard, you can see that he is driving that thing as hard as humanly possible. I don’t think that even with a faster car, you can push that much more.

[@jazamora7521]

W11 or RB16B would be best suited than the current gen cars that rely on smooth tracks to create greater downforce. W11 is a low rake car so maybe the Red Bull might have the edge.

[@th1nk_outside]

the 919 Evo was mindblowingly awesome but it wasnt really specifically built for the job. it was a project with very limited time and ressources resulting in a lot of compromise. if a car was really build from scratch for the job it could be way faster i think and would probably be electric and have some kind of fan system. man i really hope someone will try this!

[@idexpro8263]

Max actually wanted to drive the Red Bull at the Nurburging during that event, but Helmut denied him. They probably know he would push it to 100%

[@septanos]

Some guy in assetto corsa managed a 4:24 in the F2004 with slicks

[@GwilsonDrums]

Wasn't that Jimmy Broadbent?

[@MrBPC76]

I've seen a couple of those. The F2004 on slicks is a monster

[@therrydicule]

That car is "buggy." Not that it would crash the game, but got more grip than the real one.

[@jodasir7296]

@@therrydicule Sure you were a Ferrari 2004 test driver... haha

[@therrydicule]

​@@jodasir7296 I don't need to be a test driver to know there is a coding error. I just need to know some maths and use a bit of my memory ;) I was alive back then, I was watching races regularly. F1 grooved tires started being used in 1998 and ended in 2008 and it wasn't as effective as intended. The fastest qualifying lap in 1997 at Spa was 1:49.450, the fastest lap in 1998 at Spa was 1:48.682. Yes, they went faster with the grooved tires. In 2008, the fastest lap in qualifications was 1:47.338, and the fastest lap in 2009 was 1:46.308. So how much time did they lose with these tires? Less than 1% a lap. And you are telling me it can go from 5:10.244 (by Jimmy Broadbent) to a 4:24? It doesn't add up. So? Where I would expect an F2004 with slick to be? About 5 minutes. Like maybe 5:07.

[@giulianofrancella9392]

I proud and impressed you help my f1 career and professional karting thanks

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

Did the all-electric Volkswagen I.D. ever set a time at Nürburgring?

[@davidvalencia129]

Yep the video is on the nurburgring channel. Its the fastest electric car to lap the ring with a 6:05.336. The problem the IDR had is the lack of top speed it has do to the insane amounts of drag, it reached around 250kph in the main straight while the 919 reached around 360kph.

[@whitehavencpu6813]

What's funny is that it also beat the Lotus Evija X which has 2000HP... Goes to show that Aero and weight reduction are much more significant.

[@anthonyw5261]

The driver of the 919 still wasn't feeling well that day and not many practice laps. I say that that very sadly 😥. Fantastic video 👏👏👏

[@paulheinrich7645]

Great videos!!! Question: how is it possible for top-tier drivers to know where is, and consistently drive on, the very edge of performance? Is it like airplanes where the structural limits are designed with safety margins 1.5 times normally expected limits? in other words, how wide is the "edge" of performance in F1 racing?

[@dennistofvesson6351]

When Vettel and Coulthart ran at Nurneburg they had a safetycar infront of them and wasn't allowed to go full speed.

[@TheCaptainmojo1973]

This dude must be a good driver to hold a lap record at a major track. These modern hypercars are very impressive, although far too expensive. As an avid motorcycle racing fan, I wonder what a Ducati GP24 could do? I’m sure it’d be in the low 6 minutes range but exactly where is sadly just conjecture.

[@gasracing5000]

With AssetoCorsa you can take the redbull x2012 on the ring and challenge the track record. 🤔😉

[@PF9O]

The 919 Hybrid did a sub 5 minute lap at the Nordschleife according to trackside observers on the day. I think they wanted a 5:19 number as a nod to 919. They probably also wanted to leave something for the next attempt!

[@gregrowe1168]

I think the length of the track is a big issue as well. You can’t have a 50 lap race because that would be too long. Even 20 laps would be longer in total distance than most races. And if there is an accident, it would take a long time to get the driver and car off the track depending on where it is. Half the race would be spent behind the safety car.

[@KellyR-qx7wn]

The question is more about the rules which limit performance/competition of the cars.

[@DownForceCoaching]

Love the content from this channel always great videos with lots of speed secrets. ❤

[@alsa4real]

Scott, have you tried hotlapping the Nordschiefe in Assetto Corsa with an RSS formula hybrid or VRC formula alpha car? Would love tour thoughts

[@HakarDoski]

what happened to driving an F1 car upside down?

[@aobrien2]

Its crazy to think a 'no limits' 919 is only a tad faster than an f1 car that has so many regs on what they can and cant do. It also answers the question that gets tediously brought up when the racing is dull that they should just let the designers do what they want. They would be doing 300mph and thats just round the corners. Silverstone crowds would need to be sat in Milton Keynes to watch it and 'aeroplane crashes' would be, only if you were lucky

[@RubenHernandez-lx1ej]

I think it would do a 5:28 due to new cars being slower in low speed turns or hairpins. But a softer setup could help, even though at high speeds the car will be scraping the bumpy tarmac.

[@Catcrumbs]

There are very few low speed turns on the Nordschleife.

[@SS454LS6]

The 2024 cars are faster than the 2011 and 2006 cars. Both those cars simulate lap times under 5:19. A big restriction for hybrid F1 cars is battery usage. If they stay limited to just 4 MJ per lap, that leaves a lot of lap time on the table. Of course there are only a handful of true straights that optimize battery deployment. You are right about ride heights and ground effects, but the Nordschliefe got repaved not long ago which took a lot of the bumps out. Also the 919 EVO has fixed side skirts to help generate a tremendous amount of DF from floor, and thus it's ride height and issues with bumps would be similar to a modern F1 car, though likely not as extremely. Computer Simulators are quite realistic these days and it's common to see 2017-2021 cars close to or below 5 mins, I have no doubt a 2024 car would go well below 5:19. Having said that, I maintain my belief the 919 EVO could have gone faster. There are a few spots it appeared to leave time, plus track conditions were likely not 100%. I'd be shocked of the EVO couldn't do a 5:15 or a bit faster.

[@WillMetcalfe7]

Imagine what an ‘Evo’ version of the Merc W11 would do around the Nurburgring… surely that would be under 5 minutes

[@ryankassel5691]

Bro that's not enough flexing about still holding the Brands Hatch record

[@SRFriso94]

I do wonder what would happen if the 919 Evo vs. a modern F1 car would be less apples and oranges. Basically an F1 team doing the same thing, where they toss the rulebook in the shredder and go nuts. Remove the fuel flow limiter, remove the DRS deployment limits, hybrid system whenever, no need to worry about 'the plank', and yes, fit softer suspension to deal with the bumps of the Nordschleife.

[@syntheovaldy5173]

Of course they would smash the 919😂😂

[@emenesu]

refreshing when the comments are not filled with "project inversion cancelled?!??"

[@GaijinGamerGirl]

It doesn't matter because Spierling eats every racecar for breakfast.

[@Ilovecars-wd6xu]

The Porsche just full sends in every single corner ( well some aren’t )

[@britboy70]

Great video. After watching and thinking about your reasoning over why the 2024 F1 car would not be as quick as the Audi (specifically the bumpy nature). Could you imagine a circuit specific F1 car with no limits using tech from across generations, proper ground effects with skirts, active suspension to keep it planted over bumps, tires specifically designed for the circuit, no speed restriction etc.. How fast do you think they could go?

[@therrydicule]

Five minutes is realistic for an F1. With a driver being maybe sick and certainly pissed after such a run (because of how much shakes they would have been through).

[@racinglab6797]

Porshe 956 was also ground effect car and it held the record for 30 years

[@glynnepritchard2526]

As a toll road open to the public, I doubt its the longest or has the greatest elevation change, it has to be the IoM

[@Huckenbacher]

F1 could be under 5 min a lap, not in the current form, but if it was actually part of thy race calendar. I'm sure the engineering teams would have a very specific upgrade package for such a track. however in it's current form it would be hard to break 5 min without a very specific upgrade package. Also let's be honest the ring could use a regrade and full pave as well likely affecting the F1 lap time taking away any advantage the more traditional chassis would have with maintaining down force on a inconsistent track surface.

[@seven4221]

I've raced some F1 cars around the Nordschleife virtually. Though it was the tourist version, which is a bit shorter, it still indicates how mental it can get, if risk of death is not a factor. Lap times below 5 minutes are pretty easy with the F2004.

[@Palvader]

Don't apologize, I am proud of your lap record!

[@joaobranco2164]

Great, assertive, analysis. I concur.

[@Atticvs32]

Did the 919 Evo not add skirts for ground effect as well? I think it did. - I think the 5:19 was probably not pushed to a theoretical 100% limit by Timo Bernhard (in fact I seem to have read somewhere it wasn't, but like 98-99%, so close) which would mean that car, and by extension (based on the Silverstone-Spa comparison) the ground effect F1 car, would lap a tad faster. I'd say somewhere between the theoretical 5:13-5:15 range from Red Bull and Sauber and the 5:19 that the Evo actually did.

[@TheZipeedoo]

Sabine Schmidt did a lap in just under 10 minutes in an unmodified Ford Transit cargo van. Most citizen drivers in Porsches or BMW's can't crack 10 minutes.

[@NexuJin]

These days we could actually put these questions to a test in simulators at home in your pyjama's. Like if you too want to see Scott Mansell attempt to re-enact his legendary lap record at Brands Hatch in a sim!

[@chaoringmeister]

I was wondering when you would mention the elephant in the room. Or should I say, the elephant under the Venturi.

[@Codiac300]

How about a current f1 car without rules. Adaptive suspension and everything.

[@PatrickSBellSr]

i think the 5min 23sec time is spot on.

[@isaacary]

It would be interesting to see current generations car on the track due to how much quicker they are on the corners

[@Chongo_657]

What about an Indycar? running oval level downforce, but with suspension for street circuit? that would be very quick on the "straights" but how much would it lose on the mid to slow corners?

[@SackamanjaroX]

Woah awesome website man, great job and thanks y'all.

[@serenawatkins6875]

The 919 Evo was massively modified over the standard car and yet, according to projections, it would be slower than some standard F1 cars from the past 20 years. Which just shows how far ahead F1 cars are over top level prototypes in design, engineering and technical prowess, even much older F1 cars compared to a LMP1 car. When the LMP1 cars were racing, there was a lot of talk about how advanced and quick these cars were and yet they're nowhere close to a F1 car. As for laps times for a current F1 car around the Nordschleife, 5mins 23 is staggering considering the car would have no mods unlike the 919 Evo. If a current F1 car had the same modifications as the 919 Evo, I reckon the lap time would be well under 5 mins. And I still think a standard current F1 car would beat the 919 Evo with ease.

[@TheTutch]

these cars are developed for different rulebooks, tracks and race legths. you can't compare their laptimes and use just that to draw conclusions about how well developed they are. look at the budgets spent on lmp1s. they were similar to those of f1 teams at the time. that buys you similarly skilled engineers earning similar pay, who are going to do a similarly good job of optimizing perfomance within their respective constraints. and in the end you get very different cars

[@milnez]

Bathurst remains the one run I loved…

[@andypughtube]

Does the McMurtry Spéirling have the full power range to have a go?

[@gregd806]

Ngl, I'd say that the best car for the Ring is The 2021 Car, Less Ground effect for a bumpy road, and insane Speed in total. What do y'all think?

[@sentientraptor]

8:34 on an early-2000s car that is almost 20-something seconds slower (yes, slower) than the 2024 24h of Nurburgring pole position time, set by, ironically, a BMW m4 gt3 as Driver61 said though, while driving a sub-5 minute lap time of the nordschleife in an f1 car (approx ~6:00 in a contemporary gt3 car) is theoretically possible, it'll be very tough on the driver

[@jacksparks9801]

Atleast a sub 5 min 30 sec lap, the more a driver can push, on the treacherous track would keep subtracting from there.

[@worminator15]

Is that Scott Mansell who still holds the Brand‘s Hatch lap record after all these years?

[@Keepraging]

Scott can't go a video without mentioning his lap record

[@robinwells5343]

Porsche are literally too good to be in F1 so makes sense.

[@seeker0587]

its a shame they wont even let a 10 year old relic go flat out to set a record

[@unandi4063]

Jimmy Broadbent answers this for a living.

[@og9806]

The Mercedes W11 and Ferrari F2004 (with slicks) could break the 5 minute barrier, but it would be very dangerous.

[@donaldwilliams6821]

Big issue as you said was the Porsche is was no rules car. Do that to an F1 also then see which is faster. But I would prob go with b4 ground effects for all the reasons you mentioned. And a no-holes-barred F1 around SPA, etc would demolish the Porsche. (I am a 100% Porsche fan BTW) but it would lose

[@patrickquirke888]

We are racing at Dunks next weekend. MANSELL

[@Nonixification]

F1 without restrictions would be under 5 mins

[@airgunningyup]

i guess the question is , who will build a car to beat the 919?

[@kornonacob]

F1 should go back this track.... 20 plus km per lap ... 30 laps is just nice

[@Nehpets1701G]

My nephew in his Panda 100hp could do it in 4 minutes 🔥

[@goldtaker95]

the real question: what laptime the 2004 f1 cars with slicks would do? sub 5 maybe, with a fully committed driver willing to die to beat the record? lol

[@exp2745]

If sausage curbs aren’t considered a safety issue, there is no reason not to race at the Ring.

[@javajoint]

It's much more than that. A primary reason is TV coverage. It's more than 3x the lap time of any F1 circuit. Run off areas are... insane there. There's a reason why Jackie Stewart called the Ring "Green Hell".

[@sion2697]

we didn’t forget about the F1 car upside down video….

[@uvannaveen8237]

Wasn't Russell's time on Silverstone this year in damp conditions? I don't remember so idk.

[@dantate9245]

Would love to see what Ken Blocks Honicorne would do in a lap.

[@johnjohn427]

Makes for good bar conversation!🥃