When F1 Teams Try To Break The Rules…

[@thedeamonmeteor69420]

FIA: You can do that Other Teams: Hey that’s unfair! FIA: wait, that’s illegal!

[@Riskzey]

when roblox players watch f1

[@mingc4698]

And that got me thinking... if team had idea of a grey area.. who else they can clarify without other team stealing your idea?

[@Lukeywoodsey]

I don't understand the FIA sometimes, it just looks like they have no authority

[@Dominator_5]

Almost like lego and MOC builders lol

[@ajv336]

Either everyone can do these or no one can, that's all there is to it

[@FS84727]

mercedes and redbull are the 2 kids in class that tattle on eachother over everything but are still friends

[@Utopian_Futures]

Well it’s just a purpose alliance between them. They just unite, if it comes to new regulations and reforms by FOM and FIA, doing everything to hold the small teams dependent on them. Wolff and Horner are not really buddies drinking beer together, I am sure

[@mukundyadav6913]

I can confirm literally there are no such kids so find another analogy

[@spiritualsky8259]

Yea true

[@123akash121]

Better Title: When have Mercedes & Redbull NOT protested each other?

[@Jusuff]

Before 2005

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@Akash Verma Exactly. Mercedes has never protested another team. Complain, sure but they have never once formally protested another team. The same cannot said of redbull who formally protested DAS. Ferrari also protested the blown rear axle.

[@busbodge]

@@Bahamuttiamat how do you think merc has never protested against a team

[@alltiktokersgotohell6757]

@@Jusuff begore 2010, pre merc

[@ploppyjr2373]

@@Bahamuttiamat hahahha

[@sooofancier]

F1 fans be like: "we can make meme out of this situation"

[@leonard3374]

_We can make a religion out of this_

[@ploppyjr2373]

@@leonard3374 a man of culture is see

[@TheDareMaximus]

@@leonard3374 exactly what i came up on mind

[@mattiacraman4011]

0:25 Russel after hearing the rumours he’s about to join Mercedes

[@l.v.3952]

Russell*

[@mattiacraman4011]

@@l.v.3952 fuck me, I missed a L! It’s not that deep 😂 go get a hobby instead of crawling through comments just to correct people 🤣

[@mattiacraman4011]

@@Wohlstandsmuell I’d be careful! Most people have stock put down lines. I have a private detective who bums people!

[@mattiacraman4011]

@@Wohlstandsmuell he’ll take the rohypnol himself so he can forget about you

[@mattiacraman4011]

@@Wohlstandsmuell you gonna bark all day doggy, or are you gonna bite?

[@Questerer]

I love it when teams argue. It hypes me up for the race.

[@katlegokgotse]

Red Bull*

[@chase9132]

@AST Poentiefishy Red Bull*

[@Gl-my8fw]

@@katlegokgotse dont be stupid and pretend it isnt merc also.

[@onurkara4059]

“This got me thinking,which is a dangerous thing” 😂🤣

[@Hot-Dog-Racing]

So in other words, two children tattling to their mom about each other?

[@bemo8943]

teacher is better but yeah

[@arboris]

Welcome to F1 teams, they all do it

[@valcant940]

Well with millions on the line instead of a biscuit

[@myk1137]

@@valcant940 money biscuits

[@bkm666]

Yeah but the only difference here is that the mom favors one of the child .

[@neilbadger4262]

I think it was in the coverage of the last race where Christian Horner was interviewed. He said quite clearly that he would protest anything and everything in order to get a championship win.

[@myk1137]

So he says "I'm Mr.Controversial."

[@Infiltator2]

Who wouldnt tho? If you wont do what it takes to win a championship you are wrong in f1

[@myk1137]

@@Infiltator2 But that doesn't mean you can complain. As Ron Dennis said,the rival teams need to accept the innovation challenge and go even further,not complain.I have never seen Mclaren complaining about anything because that's the real spirit.

[@neilbadger4262]

@@Infiltator2 Every time the FIA release their rule book for the upcoming season, engineers from every team will try and figure out how to push and even bend those rules to their advantage. It tends to be that when a team is able to introduce a new technology not covered by those rules, one of three reactions would occur. Either the new technology is admired, it is ignored, or people complain that it must be breaking the rules and thus a punishment should be handed down. I think in engineering, you can either be proactive or reactive. Proactive is to take the initiative and try and make your product better than everyone else's. Reactive is to simply wait until someone does a better job than you then complain about how life is not fair. The reality is that Mercedes has been doing a far better job in recent years and the only chance Red Bull has had has been to complain about everything. Do not get me wrong though. Max Verstappen was doing a brilliant job in Baku and I felt sad for the guy when his tire failed on the main straight so close to the end. With how dominant Hamilton has been in recent years, it takes someone truly special to be able to compete against Lewis on the track, however, that is where the racing should take place.... on the track, not the boardroom.

[@GamerFlair]

@@myk1137 Indeed. F1 is all about finding the grey area's. Honestly, this tends to be the difference between most the other teams and Red Bull in my eyes. Other teams look to innovate, find things that aren't in the regulations and make it happen. Red Bull seem to prefer finding things that are in the rules, strictly prohibited, and working out how they can pass the test for it anyways. When another teams finds something geninuely inventive, or they just do something totally legal better then anyone else, Red Bull are like "THATS NOT FAIR BAN IT!"

[@leo_pado]

Red Bull: "Gives you wings". Mercedes: "Gives you FLEXI wings".

[@lodziarzzz7315]

It’s actually really good that we have people making sneaky innovations as it gives the commentators more to talk about than how mazepin is struggling

[@potatie_huh]

Red Bull and Mercedes are both as bad as each other really, like moaning old women! But it does make things so much more entertaining!! 🤣

[@katlegokgotse]

Merc goes to protest once just once and you sat they both bad??

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@katlegokgotse Mercedes has never formally protested anything.

[@3XICS]

@@Bahamuttiamat can it be because they never had a real challenge?

[@edwardterlevich]

@@3XICS no because they were in the midfield for their first 4 seasons

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@3XICS What does that have to do with anything?

[@raykreiger4123]

now that I think about it, who would actually win in the cage when pitted against each other

[@gazzypops1]

Neither because they'd both claim the other was gaining an unfair advantage from where in the cage they were starting from...

[@Lukeywoodsey]

Would you really want to be in a fight with Toto?

[@SirMsuni]

"[...]And that the only response a rival team has is try and find a way to have it banned as appose to rising to the technical challenge" -- Ron Dennis.

[@Cynderfan35]

also literally the moment infamous "Fan Car" was introduced/seen on track, Collin Chapman said its illegal.

[@myk1137]

This was said after that double brake pedal thing.

[@SirMsuni]

@@myk1137 I know but the message can be applied to any innovation.

[@myk1137]

@@SirMsuni Yeah

[@GloomGaiGar]

thing is though not every team has the resources to "rise to the technical challenge" so F1 has to balance innovation with cost

[@coadergrosse8696]

they're not breaking the rules, they're just bending them a bit

[@marcheauxfruits6584]

This comment is underrated on the straights and overrated in the corners

[@rorymotherway1194]

Flexi wings ❌ Flexi rules ✅

[@bobbob123ful]

Breaking

[@coadergrosse8696]

@@bobbob123ful ok

[@rcoder01]

If I recall correctly, DAS was only used for tire warmup in specific scenarios, not on straights for aero.

[@gerardotelese5337]

yeah..belive that...guess Mercedes told you that right? xD

[@Ty4ons]

Yeah, Russell was reminded to use DAS during the safety car period.

[@Xyclops64Gaming]

It was the already had speed

[@BNOVA]

Yes DAS was mainly used to put heat in the front tyres. So it was used in safety car scenarios or when qualifying. Was not used much during actual races. It was evident for who watched the on boards or followed replays when the commentators noticed it.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@Lunarfox That is a lie.

[@tirtel1]

To sum it up: Mercedes' DAS: allowed for 1 year (hah obviously cuz other teams may have implemented that as well, we cannot allow it l0l) Red Bull's excessive rear wing flexibility: 3 months (?) Ferrari's Engine: Few weeks (??)

[@gvr6079]

Well since Mercedes doesn't lock down the 1st two places on the grid and winning every race from the start of the season they suddenly also start protesting....funny that!

[@kityhawk2000]

Except they didn't protest they just threatened to 🙄

[@gvr6079]

@@kityhawk2000 Yes, because they would have lost their protest. They even acknowledged that.

[@cesardepena7498]

They just complained. Never protested, never tried. The only time they protested was probably pre merc.

[@TheMovingBricks]

“Fancy Name” 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@TheMrJinzz]

I find it funny that when Red Bull protests it's usually to change a rule that another team is using to its fullest but are surprised that they get protested when literally engineering their car knowing it's against the rules but circumvents the tests..

[@jillpatel6597]

Funny how you don’t realize that other teams use similar wings as well

[@TheMrJinzz]

@@jillpatel6597 no I do, still doesn't make it legal tho. Also considering how whiny Red Bull is compared to other teams that really has nothing to do with my comment

[@adibz959]

@@TheMrJinzz You need to consider how whiny Merc is, not just Redbull. You sound like a plain biased Merc fan

[@itmark7063]

@@TheMrJinzz at the moment the red bull wing is legal because it passes the test that say that a wing mustn’t bend more than a certain angle under a certain load (I don’t remember the angle and the load) it’ll be illegal from the french Grand Prix onwards with the new tests

[@sebbers]

You really have just never watched F1 have you!

[@irrationalgeographic9953]

The amount of flex on the Mercedes front wing was clear so Toto shot himself in the foot a little, the big thing with DAS was the fact it helped get the tyres to temp and keep them there, something that had always plagued the team, this season its clear they are having that issue again.

[@robertharrington703]

2013 test was blatant favouritism from the FIA and you'll never change my mind 🤷‍♂️

[@ajv336]

Exactly, but don't tell these fanboys, who are hellbent on turning a clear pro-Merc bias for allowing the test into an anti-Merc bias by banning it eventually

[@thelarry383]

So it's mainly a list of Redbull complaints.

[@_mundi]

I mean its facts🤷‍♂️

[@matthewthomas2546]

It's that Karen Horner's fault.

[@sbinnala14]

@@matthewthomas2546 u have to be at least a decent team principal to have 4 championship lol

[@Gl-my8fw]

@@matthewthomas2546 he isnt qny worse than toto

[@matthewthomas2546]

@@Gl-my8fw based on this video he is

[@EvanLoxley]

2:37 Duel Axis Steering sounds like something where Mercedes and Red Bull have to fight over the steering axis design parameters... Then again, maybe the inadvertent word mix-up of dual vs. duel is appropriate in a video about teams complaining against each other...

[@chris-hayes]

Netflix meanwhile: "Are you not entertained?!"

[@sumitbpatil]

Tbf this is Mercedes’s first protest for Red Bull, while Red Bull is busy protesting for everything.

[@leemahay6742]

Mercedes has not officially protested Redbull yet, they just put it out in the media.

[@TooFastTooDoge]

0:04 "you will of heard"? Nice dude

[@oliverl2172]

0:05 "You would of heard" ☠️☠️☠️

[@iliyadavoodipour258]

Imagine how fast a modern F1 car would bei with full electric/combustion engine system, ground effect, mega flexy Wing, dual axle steering and with drs always allowed. It would make the driver pass out from the massive g-forces.

[@GloomGaiGar]

"It would make the driver pass out from the massive g-forces" that already happened in the US iirc

[@iliyadavoodipour258]

@@GloomGaiGar true. Maybe they could survive it with super tight jet suits.

[@petehutton3976]

These arguments are more entertaining than a race at Monaco.

[@kristianharalambiev7685]

New title: Why do Red Bull never stop complaining?

[@wrexhammusic]

This season was so eventful, I could've sworn the flexi wing stuff happened in 2020 and not this year.

[@jameel626]

Man with party mode and DAS, no wonder Mercedes have been so far ahead. They have been the most creative problem solvers of the grid.

[@myk1137]

Red Bull be like:Imma complain about this because I don't want to innovate anything.FIA should just ban the teams that complain about innovations.Innovation is what keeps this sport alive.Some people complain that innovation gives the team a big advantage.Then apply that innovation to every car on the grid(If the team accepts ofc. You know,it might be against the philosophy of the car.)

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

they had a year headstart in the development of their engine. That's the reason why they've been so far ahead.

[@GloomGaiGar]

@@OnionChoppingNinja a year headstart and NO ONE managed to catch up since then? Ferrari had to cheat just to get close lol

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

@@GloomGaiGar Well if you sink as much cash into your F1 project as AMG been doing the last 7 years. Makes it kinda hard for the competition to catch up if you're already a lap ahead. Besides Red Bull might have caught up sooner if they had the same commitment from Renault in those early days of the Hybrid era as they've been getting from Honda these last 3 years.

[@MaavRickk]

For those curious, DAS toe OUT for corners, pulled IN to neutral on the straights. Video visualization was incorrect. Toe out helps front rotation in the corner.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@Richard Lewis Das was never used such an extent. Only to warm up front tires.

[@MaavRickk]

@@Bahamuttiamat there are plenty of on boards of them using it during hot Laps in Quali and FP. Preseason testing was a good example, used on hot Laps frequently.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

@@MaavRickk There are zero videos of DAS being used on a hot lap. In testing maybe, but never during the season.

[@cryonicbonkers7880]

So in reality it’s just Red Bull protesting absolutely everything ferrari and mercedes do and now it’s Red Bull’s turn to get scrutinized.

[@roxss6538]

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but did you watch f1 from 2010-2013 (when red bull was on top)? Red bull were under fire A LOT back then.

[@_mundi]

@@roxss6538 this vid is about merc v rb, so looks like merc might’ve not officially complained back then about anything on the rb

[@liynne]

@@_mundi bc they werent fighting for the top.

[@ace_skynoteyt7672]

Irrelevant but Russell partying is a new vibe

[@cryonicbonkers7880]

@@roxss6538 they weren’t really. Apart from the Flexible front wings in 2012, they were pretty much left alone. They even protested Brawn’s double diffuser in 2009.

[@FarmYardGaming]

It's like how the Apple v Epic feud won't stop, but ON WHEELS!

[@robgraham5016]

YES! I love handbags between windbags! LOL!

[@GryphLane]

0:06 You will HAVE heard Come on guys, seriously 😂

[@FNG_22]

When Ferrari and Red Bull Team up to complain against merc and there dominance makes me happy.

[@PannenTheKoek]

I'd love for you to go more into detail. Like telling that Hamilton said over a board radio that Max' wing was flexing. Did he really see it, or is it a clever way of Merc trying to get under RB's skin? And maybe some quotes from Horner and Wolff aiming at eachother. Makes the 'beef' feel more real and gives a little more dimension if you know what I mean. Love the edits though with all the memes, that is great.

[@vyangrundler860]

They just couldn’t handle the FLEX

[@________4423]

Cyril : Toto, I name you my successor.

[@liynne]

to ppl saying its mostly redbull: if yall knew how much teams merc included protested redbull when they dominating in 2010-2013. lol. whomevers at top gets protested. not merc not mclaren no one is better than the other. all the teams are sneaky karens. welcome to f1.

[@kayto101racer]

One thing you forgot with Mercedes illegal test in 2013. FIA said they could do 100km with a current car. Mercedes did 1000km. Please actually include all the information just to try and make Red Bull look like the bad guys.

[@Bandit-Darville]

Red Bull: your driver is too fast! Mercedes: no u!

[@anirudhjilla5908]

The editing in this video is literally mind blowing🤩

[@ZOB4]

Brazil 2021 called - they want you to re-do this video

[@gnranger]

1:38 That has to be the most FIA thing ever

[@Dubbidi]

mercedes are salty of redbull because they are starting to give them competition

[@SirMangoMantango]

1:35 You're forgetting that the other top teams were actually offered to do the same kind of test but Mercedes was the only one to accept.

[@oneshotme]

Enjoyed the video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

[@zacktan1403]

0:25 that will never get old

[@mahejo]

DAS gave Mercedes the clear advantage in 2020! You could see the effect comeing off a SC on how much better grip they had after a cold start.. This year they can't keep the tyres as warm as last year..

[@bjoe385]

I’m surprised that Red Bull hasn’t tried to protest that the whole car is a moveable aerodynamic device.

[@ChiXty60]

For Baku the main problem was the Red Bull wing did not move enough to warrent a protest.

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

It's not braking the rules, It's surprise rule bending.

[@moisesmaciel5123]

I can only agree with Redbull, Mercedes turned formula one into pay-to-win game. But I hope the changes for next year will change that and make the races more competitive and without the sea of protests

[@J.D....]

Merc didnt even have the highest budget on the grid.

[@sbinnala14]

@@J.D.... yea but Ferrari are clowns lol

[@deathbower]

F1 has been pay to win since (basically) 1983 with the start of the first turbo era - the only time since then that a team without a massive budget has won was 2009 with Brawn GP and even they had a car that had huge amounts of money sunk into it because Honda had put all their resources into the upcoming rule change before pulling out in the '08-'09 off season

[@shawnpitman876]

What delusions are you living under that makes you think that F1 hasn't been pay to win for the majority of it's existence?

[@moisesmaciel5123]

@@shawnpitman876 Before several teams and several drivers won, when they won two consecutive years was considered a huge achievement. Many drivers won races with few competitive cars, such as Piquet. Nowadays the same pilot wins over and over again.

[@Mike76Unity]

Bend the rules, if you ASK the F1 teams 🤣

[@SJ16toons]

can we get more information on the double drs?

[@namanshetty2352]

2:06 my boi vijay mallya

[@focus550]

Errr DAS; Dual Axis Steering, there's no fight involved (Duel!)

[@guigui70051]

"they are beating us too badly" 😂😂

[@DaVinci-vj7ku]

This video isn’t 4 hours long?? Impossible!

[@lucas040z_]

You just hear that this guy is a mercedes fan

[@Greenday4537]

So essentially they protest each other whenever someone innovates within the rules.

[@katlegokgotse]

Red bull protests others... this the first Mercedes-Benz protest as we call all clearly see

[@dyingearth]

DAS is more for heating up tires and brakes during formation lap and safety car laps.

[@Gl-my8fw]

And is still a huge advantage.

[@gerardotelese5337]

suuuuuure...mercedes said so..so it must be true

[@MasterOfJackShizz]

Tire pressure protest on RB from Mercedes in 3, 2, 1...

[@upnorthyooper1196]

DAS was just Brilliant.

[@williamorrah9613]

So the rules are like Red Bulls wing: a bit bendy for everyone’s liking

[@98MTBiker]

2:39 I didn't know the steering axis took part in a duel

[@RobTheGreenEngine]

1:46 So Red Bull are the reason Sam Bird never became an F1 driver...

[@user-gu3ie]

There is a difference between breaking the rules and "flexing" them

[@nathannicholsonracing]

Everyone is always breaking “rules”

[@aashisheapen8230]

All the examples seem to be of red bull protesting Mercedes innovation which was legal at the time.

[@alltiktokersgotohell6757]

Mercedes's double drs (2012) helped Nico win and got protested by many teams including RB.

[@declanmyers8064]

1 week later, we've got a new one. TIRE WARMERS

[@joshuadoerksen3280]

This is why I’m a Maclaren fan, no drama

[@topgeareasy]

lol

[@zulubunsen9067]

Just a nitpick, 3:19, the cars usually run toe-out, the opposite of what's pictured here.

[@reinisrinka444]

Merc ran a toe-in to heat up the tyres. Something they're struggling with this season.

[@gerardotelese5337]

just find i "funny" that DAS was used only by mercedes and was "illegal from next year" because you can't change rules on the run....while wings that flex (everyones does to some degree) BUT are IN ACCORDANCE with the loads test agreed by EVERYONE in the beginning of the year, since mercedes dosn't like it anymore, so we have to change the roles in the middle of the year..forcing some to redesign wings in middle of the year despire budget cup....it's getting harder and harder to love this sport....

[@santiago-cb9lf]

well, DAS was an incredible innovation that only they engineered and got banned because no other team would be able to do it during the season. Meanwhile Flexi wing is something that is clearly illegal even if Mercedes are doing it

[@gerardotelese5337]

@@santiago-cb9lf no team would/could care to invest in developing the technology (redesigning from zero the whole frot suspensionen an stearing system) because already before seasons start, during testing, they knew the technology was going to be banned next year

[@gerardotelese5337]

@@JotaSE30 ask Mercedes front wing about moving aerodynamic bodywork and regulation!. Truth is, F1 has always been about finding the grey area in the regulation (again none complined about DAS during 2020, they just corrected regulation for 2021). The aim is the pass the test (load test in this case). How the wings behave after that thershold is not specified in the regulation and thus allowed, everyone knows it and everyone does it (Mercedes included, just not as much). Problem is that the test to pass at the beginng of the year, accordig to which everyone design their car, and tonwhich everyone agreed to was one thing, and now, under pressore from one single team (should i Say 4?), is a different one. Its like if we are competing at running 100m, I train for 100m and i'm great at 100m but I gas off at 110m. You suck att at 100m but you can hold the same pace for 400m. Would't be a problem for me because race is 100m so I would win.. but suddenly you get to complain an change the rules so we run 400m instead. It's unfair because you get to change the scope of the test for which I optimised my training (designe our case) for.

[@notshubhransh]

People when their favourite team is bending the rules- "they are thinking out of the box, you are just jealous" People when another team bends the rule to their advantage- "Cheaters! Ban them"

[@QurttoRco]

I think you guys should change the title ? Also I love the savegdry of this video keep it up

[@Ethan.YT.]

FIA: FIA You broke the rules pays us...

[@ozzX92]

That Red Bull wing hasa weird flex but it's OK.

[@thijsvinke4333]

I mean I agree but the Mercedes front wing also has a weird flex.

[@ozzX92]

@@thijsvinke4333 but it's also ok.

[@ronaldgrey4458]

“Break the rules” ?? RedBull is ‘bending’ the wings eh ….. rules.

[@JustFabian02]

the phineas and candice of f1

[@AlexisDelatolas]

And a few more like oil burning and lower tire pressures for Mercedes, flexi front wing and fuel flow sensors for red bull...

[@mat_bb]

When Mercedes break the rules: hmm, lets keep it legal for a season When another team break the rules: we need to change it mid season

[@brendanturner7341]

Alternate title :Red Bull cries every time someone is smarter then them

[@andreparra9241]

im convinced chris horner and toto wolf have a whastapp group each with the other team principals (except each other) and talk smack about each other there, like some mean girsl stuff...(and posibly have each other as "BFF" in whastapp)

[@Matthew_Troll]

I hate to be that guy but DAS stands for DUAL Axis Steering not DUEL Axis Steering. The steering wheel just moves on two axes (turn left/right and push/pull), it isn't trying to fight anyone.

[@manas5040]

can we please have a compilation of protests in f1 🥺

[@BNOVA]

You have 10 years of idle time?

[@teddyh9400]

2:30 ah yes predicted the future again?

[@Sharp_Stone]

Why Mercedes didn't protest at Baku was that they used themself a flexible rear wing. And it was more flexible than those rear wings of the Red Bulls..... Coincidence I Think Not!!!

[@henrycollins2478]

0:00 you have to leave a gap

[@Kj_Gamer2614]

Thing is, when Mercedes agrees a rule or car thing with the FIA they have much more leniency because toto wolf is part of the FIA so it’s sort of unfair

[@iamthecondor]

0:00 YOU HAVE TO LEAVE-A THE SPACE

[@gianniskamakas3578]

Double DRS was great engineering. Too pity that they banned that.

[@Drrolfski]

Whoever leads will be scrutinized to the bone by its competitors. Mercedes will for sure protest the heck out of Red Bull the moment they start dominating again.

[@ekovahavanen1085]

Actually Matt, Mercedes have used Das already in 2018 and 2019, not only 2020

[@ZachNovak]

Better title: WHY TEAMS TRY TO BEND THE RULES.