When Heavy Was The Fastest Class In TF2

[@nummnutz7046]

I wasn’t around to witness this in real time. But, the thought of vanilla tf2 allowing heavy to chase me down at even just the speed of a pyro is honestly terrifyingly hilarious

[@TheFrantastic]

That's how it is with the gloves of running urgently now, so if you see a heavy using them... Run.

[@kR-qj7rw]

​@@TheFrantasticnah they are the single most easy kill in the game a gru heavy has to switch to a slow mini gun or a less lethal shotgun that is burst damage depending on how long it has rhe gru you can even one shot him

[@purpleapple4052]

Some days ago I was playing MVM and I had the quite funny moment of GRU + concheror + speed upgrades allowing me to run after and reach a Super Scout robot

[@mihaiteodor7763]

@@purpleapple4052 Pretty cool

[@purpleapple4052]

If you whip a GRU Heavy he can temporarily run faster than a Scout

[@swagdoll420]

Considering how vulnerable Heavy would be to if forced into the GRU's health drain AND the extra damage taken from the Steak at the same time, I feel like stacking the Buffalo Steak and GRU's speed buffs could work fine in the current day, as well as giving the Steak a proper role outside of medieval mode.

[@tvna5404]

yeah but the problem comes in rollouts, where you're not being attacked and a heavy can reach mid faster than a scout

[@MaximusChivus]

​@@tvna5404 And after that rollout, when the scouts arrive at the exact same time since they can still double jump to make up for that minimal speed advantage you're on 100 hp and your med can't get you higher than 150. 2-3 meatshots with med, 1-2 meatshots without, and you're a sitting duck if you wanna fight back.

[@cheggf]

@MaxPower-qt3vw The Buffalo Steak Sandvich can be thrown at teammates to restore 50% health on a 25 second cooldown. The alt-fire, by far the best part of the Sandvich, is completely identical on the Buffalo Steak. If eating the steak actually did notably help the Heavy move out faster, then a hypothetical steak+GRU rollout would have effectively no downsides on a map large enough to accommodate it. The real reason this wouldn't be busted, is because the steak does not notably help the Heavy move out faster. Compare a current patch 299hu/s Heavy to a hypothetical 388hu/s Heavy if both stacked. The 299 speed Heavy would spend 20.3 seconds walking at 299 speed, and travel a total of 6,070 units. The 388 speed Heavy would spend 4.3 seconds not moving at all, then 16 seconds moving at 388 speed, travelling a total of 6,208 units. That's only 2% more distance in exchange for hard locking yourself to melee for 16 seconds, which is almost always going to be far too long, and even if you did want to have your melee out for 16 straight seconds and covering 6,200 units of ground you'd almost definitely not notice that 2% difference. Only 0.46 seconds worth of distance at 299 speed, which you could easily miss out on by just sub optimally switching to your steak or sub optimally eating it.

[@skelskeleton]

​@@tvna5404 said heavy will be at 125 or less hp, still need to rev, and potentially still be melee locked heavy is dogshit in 6s let him have this

[@donkhead]

@@tvna5404 Just make the steak mark you for death if you dont get a kill with it before the effect wears off. Kinda like the honorbound stat from the katana

[@mikefoxoftnp8175]

The gloves of dying quickly sounds like a fun meme play style.

[@sircygnusx]

i mean ye its basicly countered ez but its fun if it works

[@saldol9862]

Fast-dying Fatass

[@DaKingKayden]

@@sircygnusx it's probably for the best it's not around now. The gloves are already debatably one of the best support melees and the sandvich and lack of sandvich doesnt really matter with medics. the problem was that heavy could get to mid way too fast which would be a shakeup for the comp

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Speed Heavy would get a big health penalty from the gloves nowadays too. Literally Fat Scout, moreso than shotgun heavy could possibly hope.

[@tomsmithok]

Health penalty from the gloves and damage vulnerability from the steak. it would honestly not be overpowered at all if the gloves and steak could stack again

[@nean9894]

speed heavy is still possible you just need a friend with the whip if friend uses conch and whip you can be revved up and move walking speed

[@Fatih_M177]

Seeing heavy be incredibly fast is so funny, especially how his animation is still somewhat slow so it makes him look goofy. I don't think i would be laughing if i encountered that tho XD

[@walter1383]

Bro is running like the Falconers from Dark Souls 2.

[@agorman1341]

Hoovy the guardian of friendly

[@wiggytommy8607]

Bring back the super-speed Heavy, obviously don’t make him as fast as Scout. I think it would be hilarious to see a Heavy moving around at the speed of sound punching everyone who gets in his way.

[@sansckocomic8521]

Yes make him faster than scout

[@MaximusChivus]

I mean he gets 1 shot by basically everything at 100 hp with damage vulnerability, might as well make him fast as a 4 head demo knight who is better in every way shape and form

[@Halberds6]

Sniper: "this Heavy should be an easy kill." Heavy: _Starts running at the speed of light_

[@secretname2670]

Join a tf2 x10 server, equip dalokohs and GRU, switch to gloves and drain your health to 100 then switch to dalokohs, eat, heal up, switch to gloves. Boom you now move faster than a scout and untill you swap weapons, you have around 800 health

[@MsDestroyer900]

It would be immediately banned in comp lmfao heavy rolling out to mid at the same speed as scout is terrifying

[@DmanTheCabbage]

Brooo with the way they are now I think letting them stack would be fine. Like this combo is basically a death sentence for heavy right now, at least let my boy have the speed.

[@shadow50011]

The problem with it is that it lets Heavy quickly go anywhere. Heavy’s weakness is that he’s terrible at repositioning and everyone can run from him or chase him down

[@makimaki500]

@@shadow50011 But his strength is the health, which the gru removes

[@mariustan9275]

​@shadow50011 The other guy is right. While using the GRU, he'll be at 100 health, which removes his strength of being tanky. Also he'll be marked for death, which makes him more vulnerable and locked into melee combat.

[@redstonewarrior0152]

​@@shadow50011 I think the fact that you need to spend 4 seconds eating the steak followed by another 16 forcibly holding the GRU out, calling that explosive repositioning is a stretch. Sure, heavy can get to mid, but he will have to let the scouts defend him for 6 seconds.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

​@redstonewarrior0152 also, the fact the BSS doesn't heal removes a lot of his sustain because you're not running sandvich or banana. I say it's a fair trade. You get to be fast but you're vulnerable and your sustain is cut drastically.

[@spartan2ar949]

I say let them stack. Heavy can't switch from melee while under the effects of the steak. Plus his max health goes down when the GRU is out. Yes he'd be faster than scout, but weaker. Seems balanced to me

[@kooolainebulger8117]

i just want to see heavy scuttle about some more

[@Vsolid]

It should be allowed to stack again since it would be banned in 6s anyways. A fun strat for casual that would be degenerate in 6s.

[@skillorb]

6s is a fake meta

[@mariustan9275]

Most people don't care about 6s anyways.

[@augustday9483]

6s has always been a dumb case to me. Rather than build a meta around how the game actually works, they just ban any item that threatens the intended meta they've created for themselves. "Uh oh, an item lets Heavy rollout to mid in time for the first teamfight? We can't let Heavy be viable in 6s! Ban that item!"

[@elsfin]

valve made big mistake by listening to 6s retards about this game

[@NainoLoL]

​@@augustday9483Silly, it's because that would make the game boring to watch and would create a horrible 15 seconds stalemate 😤😤🤔

[@coolsquid22]

Squim and jim?!? At the same time?!?!?!?

[@SquimJim]

It's more likely than you think!

[@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708]

​@@SquimJimThis is big

[@zeldacrafter4578]

"I AM COMING FOR YOU!!" -The Heavy, TF2

[@Husain20119]

At that time hearing "IM COMING FOR YOU" would've been genuinely horrific knowing he can run faster than a scout

[@mythmakroxymore1670]

Shoulda kept this one chief, that massive damage penalty and HP drain balanced that out heavily.

[@ordelian7795]

I think all speed boosts you can have should be stackabled. Imagine a Disciplinary Action whipped Heavy barreling towards you with his fists glowing.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

Scoot would shit his pants

[@dan-ph7ob]

bfb scout with the whip would be amazing

[@guimon78]

Boxing heavy needs SOMETHING to keep up with other classes. They give Demoknight speed, health, and resistances, while giving heavy... A slight speed boost and vulnerabilities???

[@tizianolocarno111]

it's pretty weird how they gave the strongest class in the game that can make it situationally even stronger at basically no downsides whatsoever, not to mention the fact you can totally switch the booties and shield when you already have 4 heads for pills and stickies and play an even stronger Demo while heavy has to be made even weaker while holding another weapon that makes him more vulnerable

[@guimon78]

@@tizianolocarno111 ok demoknight isn't "the strongest class in the game" he's a trade class, but demoman with 4 heads is indeed very stupid I agree. Idk man I just want boxing heavy to be... At least as good as Babyface Blaster scout in terms of usability. Is that an ok amount of strength to ask for?

[@tizianolocarno111]

@@guimon78 I meant demoman not demoknight lol, but yeah, heavy deserves better

[@guimon78]

@@tizianolocarno111 ah fair enough. I'd still argue sniper or Engi can be more impactful, but since Demo counters both...

[@tizianolocarno111]

@@guimon78 there's a reason why Demo is limited to only 1 in sixes, a good demo can pretty much counter every class except probably for a god scout or pyro really

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

Oh my god that looks so fun. Especially with how weak the steak is in general

[@Jon14141]

Indeed!

[@Scissors76-876]

Just imagine seeing a heavy running as fast as the scout in the full Jojo outfit with the gloves

[@Iniosiun421]

A Heavy chasing after a scout and actually being able to catch him would be a comedic expierience

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

"Think fast chucklenuts" "Okay" *nom nom nom, om nom*

[@FnacPenguin_real]

U will have an effective health of 80 but u can become a speedy boi.Sounds good to me!

[@requ1emYBA]

like we’d ever get a balance change again 😢

[@Game-vi2od]

That one time Heavy became The Flash

[@GBomb9704]

Literally Fat Scout

[@bubalackgaming8892]

Bring this back. It wouldn't even be overpowered.

[@wolfmajor1]

It's justified for heavy to sprint now, make him the true fat scout

[@Jon14141]

Indeed

[@CanOfSoup7]

On one hand, an Incredible fast fat man chasing me down with his fist readying to pummel me is both scary and hilarious, but on the other hand, he slowly losing health with his melee out, forced to have it out, plus an additional damage vulnerability, and taking in the fact that he may been have been injured, he’s probably be very weak. I say yes it should be brought back, I can see it being use as a risky rollout to mid, very funny, and something formidable but not downright unstoppable. (Unless a stock Uber) now that would be terrifying.

[@Skelleton54]

"next time eat sandvich, tiny baby man!" -heavy after outrunning scout

[@jonathanwatson4484]

Know they need to add the "FLINT LOCKWOOOOOODDD!!!!!!" Meme

[@unoriginal_observer]

Super Speed Heavy honestly would be hilarious to see in a Casual game

[@Vikingr4Jesus5919]

So Fat Scout Rush is a lot more canon than I realized

[@2kkl4wz]

I am very much liking the idea of super speed heavy! Being a player who entered after jungle inferno, this may be one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. The two items do come at a huge cost of health drain and melee restriction, (technically also losing out on the sandvich) so I think it's honestly a lot closer to balanced than it would first appear. I'd suggest maybe the GRU or steak half-stacks, where it adds 15% when combing instead of the full 30% to be less absurdly fast.

[@SanityDrop]

Old GRU was insane. Not the old one that marked you for death (mini-crit on hit) but made you bleed

[@riddlerthediddler4392]

He truly was the fat Scout

[@sharky-o7lgh]

Now a image of an heavy running at light speed while in uber are haunting me whenever I sleep. Thank alots.

[@3awesomelegodudes]

we're rolling out heavy2mid YEAH

[@iStoleYourGreyBike]

The idea of seeing a heavy on the distance and going "oh its jsut a heavy nothing to worry about" and by the time you finished thinking that he is alredy rigth in front of you is kinda terrifying but hilarious at the same time

[@Just-a-Juggalo]

Imagine this scenario. It's 2010. You're in your room and boot up a good old round of Team Fortress 2. You decide to take a good old crack at playing engineer on 2Fort. As you're in your intel room, setting up dispensers and teleporters you hear the titular sound of a heavy eating. You think nothing of it and start setting up a sentry. Out of nowhere, a group of 5 heavies wielding Crit boxing gloves suddenly runs at you from around the corner at a speed never seen before. Terror fills you as they get to you within seconds, quickly beating the stuffing out of you and destroying your buildings. Before you know it, all your buildings, all your work, has been for nothing. The heavies has your intel, and is in the process of taking it back to their base. You see chat messages going wild at the scene displayed, people in the voice chat are yelling curses over the whole thing. You sit and look at your PC thinking to yourself "what in the fuck just happened" as you slowly gather yourself to try again.

[@tappajaav]

Yes yes prefer to imagine something else

[@kR-qj7rw]

the o e time in all of TF2 where heavy wasn't shit

[@tappajaav]

Heavy isn't shit

[@HellishSpoon]

A yes, Car heavy

[@Majimba_Enjoyer]

this would be hillarios today if the steak was a primary for fat scouts

[@the-sarcasticguy]

The most terrifying thing having a tank come right up to you that fast

[@hristoalovski8048]

So basically this was a 3/10 heavy loadout that got nerfed into a 1/10

[@Kuzeyman09]

And with a Dicipline Stick Soldier...

[@mrsquid_]

heavy outrunning scouts in a melee chase is the funniest thing I've seen today

[@doomguy6688]

Having heavy be fast again would bring back a lot of og tf2 players back to the game

[@donutsorokin8042]

Must be hilarous to start a match and see a heavy just zoom past you

[@elinogales]

I feel like the stacking allowed for a funny subclass of heavy, not practical especially since there are great downsides to both items, but would just make for a fun and funny little different playstyle if you wish.

[@mrlampy]

I’d honestly love to see the speeding meatball return, it seems really funny to have a heavy go faster than scout and with how the items work nowadays, it wouldn’t be broken too

[@FREELOO]

The ultimate fat scout.

[@dazeen9591]

letting them stack again definitely would be a problem. heavy running to granary middle whilst being healed by medic on top of the crates.... no counterplay

[@Helpertf2]

Yes, since GRU lowers heavies HP to 100 (150 with overheal), and all the damage multipliers the enemy gamers get against you, the justice should be made

[@breadmilkYT]

Lore accurate fat scout

[@lawnchairs]

if gru and steak stacked literally every casual server would be full of running heavies punching everyone to death

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

For less than a week, Fat scout was fully realized.

[@SquibbyJ]

They should go back to stacking. Would give the steak a better purpose+would certainly be running urgently.

[@ICY_the_paste_drinker]

We need this back it would be so funny

[@fluzzles]

A bit off topic to this video but who remembers the infinite health glitch with the gloves and dalokohs bar back in around 2016? 😂 That glitch was funny as heck. I was running around punching other players with the holiday punch and they could do nothing. Only spy backstabs would be able to kill me :D

[@imliterallyjessepinkman23]

imagine, being in the sewers of 2fort, low health, playing medic. and then a buffalo steak and gloves of running urgently heavy comes barreling towards you at the speed of the scout. stuff of nightmares

[@Pyrored41]

"Some people think they can move faster than me... Maybe...*SNIFF* Maybe... I have yet to meet them" -Heavy Weapons Guy

[@Norville_-Shaggy-_Rogers--]

Steak+gloves+max run speed upgrades (MvM)

[@tadoriaselan3268]

I'd love to see Heavy's melee build turn him into essentially a melee only super fast bear for bursts of time to give him a distinct style change from other classes

[@PoutyBun]

I honestly miss the small boost in jump height that old GRU gave. It let you pull off some funky angles and heights if you times it well

[@wickedishiccy7621]

This was terrifying. Thanks for the memories of fat Russian death chasing us down like a charger from left 4 dead 2.

[@naamloos1031]

Could be a funny gimmic for the memes. Just this giant Russian dude running at you at super speed to bang knuckles and then killbind

[@chaohunterdaniel3005]

Speed melee Heavy would be hillarious, I want it

[@quamors]

It would be absolutely terrifying, if some heavy would just run straight at me with that speed in the heat of battle. We need him back.

[@mr.j8511]

It would be good for April 1st

[@salmuttotabreabittlecochicarac]

with the fact that the steak has a secret damage weakness, it definitely should stack, at least to 50%

[@mr.master4]

POV: Scout has alerted the Gru and Steak Stack Heavy!

[@shanshansan]

Of course Heavy would be significantly faster without just minigun

[@Itz_BlueJacobMC]

Bro if this existed and plus if we can have a shotgun in our main slot this may truly be Fat Scout Gaming

[@THunD3RG0Dzila]

You know how cool that would be, it could be a legit alternative to the sandvinch, in exchange for giving up your melee and secondary slot you could move to the point faster, just maybe cap the speed out

[@mentosvagabond]

Yes, with how jello heavy nowadays with the gru, he is either really fast back to front line or die really fast trying to.

[@thedoctormario_]

When I think of super speed heavy I think of old PASS time days. If you were a deployed brass beast heavy with a scout carrying the jack, you would move at the scout’s speed. That is still a thing technically but only when you are not deployed.

[@matthewthomson6466]

I’d love for them to stack again, it was such a goofy time 😂

[@humanharddrive1]

i'd love for all the speed effects to stack, imagine GRU + steak + disciplinary action and the concheror

[@Poyarge]

"I Coming For You!" -Heavy

[@anthonyoliver418]

I honestly think if they keep the stats of the Gru, than yeah they should add the combo back

[@Manny4Life948]

I want this to come back for all the hilarious things that you can do with it, since there’s no way it would be as busted as it was before since using them both would give you the effective health of 80, almost the same amount as a Kukai spy

[@IndieLambda]

Superfast heavy is such a funny meme.

[@dotfoxtom5942]

Yes! God I want this back. I also want ghost soldier back, it was such a stupid yet fun way to market garden.

[@alberttrita5858]

Absolutely should stack. Turboheavy would be hilarious, and it's such a niche and vulnerable combo it'll pretty much be a joke subclass.

[@aprcktiplaal9293]

should definitely stack, would make it more tempting to use them

[@fib900]

They should definitely be allowed to stack again. Marked for Death Minicrits AND a health drain is a fair trade off for the speed increase. It would make the combo a great retreating tool.

[@tewum1.20]

Imo the scratching on whiteboard sound isn't even that bad, its the feeling that it gives you to your nails that makes it extremely uncomfortable

[@Gamma_B_Vods]

Bro that sounds awesome what

[@MaatoAngeleri]

The Buffalo Steak's speed increase could've been made additive, like the Disciplinary Action's speed boost. A speed boost grants a flat +105 hammer units per second to the player's movement speed (unless it reaches the +40% movespeed cap). So the Steak's movespeed bonus could've been a flat +70hu/s, so it wouldn't stack multiplicatively with the GRU; the GRU + Steak would only grant a total move speed of 381.15hu/s

[@PianoKwanMan]

I remember those days. Capture the flag by heavy rush

[@やまたに-p3h]

If you are lucky with the randomizer and can draw the same equipment as this heavy for the scout, it will be the fastest human in the world of TF2.

[@zim07]

Need for Speed: Heavy

[@maxthompson7107]

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a community server that kept the speed stacking ability on Heavy. It’d make for some very interesting plays.

[@Fatalis2]

There was a time in randomizer where you could have wee booties, steak, gru, scout

[@ziggyciggs5862]

Baller asf. Should've kept it in

[@philosophichuman1507]

We need the heavy update.

[@V_FIREDRAGON_V]

So now the fastest one is an eyelander demoknight with 4 heads cut?

[@gold4749]

If you wanna meme go boston basher crit a cola scout, you do extra dmg with the boston basher to your enemies but if you hit yourself it does not do additional damage. It is really toxic

[@CoyoteMao]

Heavy just wanted to go fast.

[@JoSephGD]

They do slightly stack now. The cap is still 35%, but both give a 30% boost. If you use both, the cap will actually be hit normally.

[@citizenblu]

GRU Heavies be schmoovin.

[@nikolthomas2544]

We need this as an option on community servers!

[@aquamarinerose5405]

Others have noted it already, but the unique mixtures of vulnerabilities and health drain from New GRU. I think it'd be totally fine to allow fast heavy again.