When Just One F-22 Fought Five F-15 Eagles

In March 2003, the American Air Force was done with all the F-22 haters, who were repeatedly saying that the F-15 Eagle was sufficient enough to grant the US aerial victories in the skies of the 21st century! The USAF decided to deploy five F-15 Eagles with aviators who themselves were experienced F-22 pilots against just one F-22, so what happened next? When all six jets landed after a fight, all the F-22 Raptor haters were speechless! Despite the F-15 Eagles giving it their all, the F-22 Raptor shot down each and every one of them.
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[@catchaser52]

The F-22 pilot was Tom Cruise. nuff said.

[@PritiRaut-wj4jr]

Heck 😅😂😂

[@HelperBot]

Haha

[@Hiwaymn]

Uhhhh. He didn’t fly an f22 in the movie

[@robertsanborn7766]

The pilot was Chuck Norris fools.

[@WillieLEdney]

I don't think so, that would not be happening

[@mbyard356]

If you’re flying and see an F22, that’s a good thing. It means you’re not the target!

[@ramonsimpson9473]

EXACTLY!

[@PoshDlrosa]

Kk... I think I'm GETTING THE MEMO... SHELL LOOK IF IM GETTING THE TYPE OF MEMO... IM THINKING IM GETTING AND I SHOW UP @THAT TRAIN STATION... AND YOU ARE ALL SINGLE!!😮.... AND ALL THE TRAIN STOP WORKING THEY GET CLEAN AND ORGANIZE THE TRAIN STATION... YOU DEFINITELY COMING HOME WITH ME😊... I DON'T HAVE A PENTHOUSE YET BUT FUK IT TRUST ME I WON'T LOSE YOU OUT OF MY SIDE...

[@PoshDlrosa]

Go to your song.... Track me please 💃💃💃💃🕺🕺🕺 I'm gonna play a song for you

[@hareecionelson5875]

Breathe a sigh of relief that starscream isn't coming for me

[@peglegjim57]

I talked with one of those F-15 jocks about that one day, and in a nutshell, he said “Thank God they’re ours.”

[@John2r1]

Considering it wasn't the firs training exercise he should have shut up when the F-15 scored 1 kill out of 43 engagements and was shot down by the F-22 the other 42 times. Fact is any aircraft can be shot down but the F-22 has a much better chance of shooting down whatever it's up against before it can shoot the F-22 down. This 5 v 1 proved nothing the rest of the Air Force didn't already know from previous training exercises.

[@John2r1]

@KarKenon Actually the F-22 isn't cheaper to produce. Because at this point producing more F-22s requires converting entire assembly lines and manufacturing all of the parts. Remember the US stopped manufacturing F-22s at 195 (8 test and 187 production aircraft). The US still produced 525 F-15E's and the Air Force has considered building 200 F-15EX's . Now counting all models of the F-15 would be a total of 1,198 built. Operators include the US, Israel, Japan, and Saudi Arabia . So the F-15 is still in production. Unlike the F-22 which was all but replaced by the F-35. And will most likely be replaced by the NGAD fighter they are working on. With its only real air to air kills being a balloon. And yes I know the reasons no one wants to tango with the F-22 Raptor. But at the end of the day the F-22s replaced is in the works. Meanwhile the F-15 is still going to be flying. I guess a real world combat record of 1 balloon to 0 isn't shit compared to 104 downed enemy aircraft to 0 times shot down. Including that time, an F-15 took out a Mi24 Hind helicopter with a 2,000lb laser guided bomb in the air. Yeah the F-22 is supposed to be retired in 2030. The F-15EX will still be flying. As will the older F15E's granted the older F15E's won't be flown by the US. But they will still be flying.

[@Notmyrealnamenumbers]

​@@KarKenonthe mustanf and corsair fighters are even cheaper to maintain, sjould we switch back to those?

[@John2r1]

@KarKenon Producing the F-15s would be quicker than the F-22s . Because the company that makes the F-15s never stopped making them or their parts. So in either case your wrong. Now you already explained the reason your wrong in your own statement. The Procurement of the F-22 Raptors was canceled at 195. 8 of which were used in testing , 187 of them entered service. Currently the USAF has 186 of them. With no new production planned. The assembly lines that were used to make the F-22 are now used to produce the F-35.

[@CHRF-55457]

@KarKenon Quantity over Quality guy eh? So do you also like Imperial doctrine of using swarm tactics with cheap expandable craft like the TIE/ln space superiority starfighters?

[@aaroncervenka998]

The crazy thing is that the f-15 has a perfect combat record👀

[@lagg1e]

And the F-22 is what they build after 30 years of experience with the F-15

[@RamadaArtist]

I mean technically so does the F22.

[@RRtradestar]

That just says a lot about the fine pilots they train

[@RamadaArtist]

@@RRtradestar Given that most of the F-15's combat kills have been made by Israeli pilots, rather than Americans, it says quite a bit about the plane itself, since we know that it's been successful for *everyone* who's flown it, not just for the people who made it.

[@animated000]

Had

[@Velshard]

"You're either invisible, or a Target."

[@NavyVet9702]

Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me.

[@anthonymonge7815]

I have that shirt from HLC. I also work at Lockheed and wear it around. People giggle when they see it.

[@bass305-HCCA]

🤣🤣🤣 best comment

[@NavyVet9702]

@@anthonymonge7815 Due to growing up on a B-52 base, my favorite of his shirts is the BUFF is Forever shirt.

[@dixiecyrus8136]

SAMS NOT GONNA GET MORE KILLS THAN ME!! 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@solshu]

Started with a computer and ended up with a plane 😂😂

[@robertwhite3752]

It’s not about the dog in the fight. Its about the… Unless the dog is an F-22 Raptor. Then it’s all about the dog!! 100%

[@ryoga8170]

It's clear : the F-22 pilot is the main character....

[@88HELLJUMPER88]

Bruh, the F-22 is so good the five other pilots could be the main cast and the F-22 pilot the bad guy's lackey and it'd still win.

[@pflaffik]

Still the Taliban and Houthi remain undefeated.

[@danielguy3528]

@@pflaffik So are the people of Taiwan

[@gdhdhjjmf-fr3il]

​@@pflaffikthat's what nukes are for duhhh

[@samuelchinonso1778]

F15 Eagle: I'd win in a dog fight F22 Raptor: You can't fight what you can't see💀

[@SA12String]

Which is pretty much the Raptor's mission statement.

[@MatrixSS]

Exactly 😊

[@radufanaca7912]

in a dogfight the f 15 would beat the f22 but in a normal fight the f22 would have the first shoot

[@KnawedOne]

👌🏽

[@RamadaArtist]

Also F22: "Additionally you can't match my turning rate without ripping your own wings off, and even if you _can_ see me, your AMRAAMs won't achieve a positive lock in the final intercept phase, so... bet. I hear you're being repurposed into a great missile bus though. I mean, *someone* has to carry all those anti-shipping missiles for when World War III finally officially breaks out over Taiwan, and they certainly won't fit in my weapon bays."

[@Handskemager]

The F22 is a beast, nothing else to say. No more fitting name than Raptor meaning “Bird of Prey”

[@t.a.akinsete]

💯

[@WaldoTheWombat]

Oh I thought it that dinosaur

[@Centrall69vlog-sg6xe]

Nice #love #happy #Please #KZbin #music #Everyone #f22

[@Centrall69vlog-sg6xe]

🇻🇳 🇻🇳 Mong Không quân Việt Nam chúng tôi được sử dụng những chiếc siêu tiêm kích F22 🇻🇳 🇻🇳

[@shannonmuse9859]

When they are C-1

[@jamesbender1967]

People don’t understand; this ISN’T an era of “dogfights” as people think of it. This isn’t a Turning fight of close air-to-air engagements. It’s beyond-visual-sight missile launch from undetected stealth aircraft. Superior radar detection and stealth capabilities. 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 I saw the F-22 Demo team at the Duluth Airshow. It was mind boggling to observe this bird that owns the skies of THE ENTIRE PLANET. The most advanced and capable Air Superiority Fighter known to man. Glad to be an American.

[@basvanrongen1]

What if you can travel in space and just skip the F22 air dominance?

[@dirtyketchup]

Yes, but also, one of Raptor's main strengths was/is its maneuverability, which arguably isn't as important to today's mission as much as its stealth is. If we can create more sluggish aircraft for cheaper with more stealth, better sensors, and more focus on the BVR capabilities, then there really isn't a need for the more expensive raptor, even if it is a beast (and my favorite fighter after Viper).

[@AFS-ht7bg]

There are no fighters any more. These are weapons platforms. They can't out turn a missile and haven't for 30 years

[@greatclantoni]

Sounds like you’re describing a B-21.

[@dirtyketchup]

@@greatclantoni F-35

[@ralph.aguinaldomd]

Crazy thing is, 20 years later, the F-15 still has a flawless combat record 👀

[@BayouBoy2443]

Everyone gangsta til the Eagle AND the Raptor show up

[@Goofster-goober]

Eagle, raptor, f-16, f-35, If any one of those show up, your done for, all of them showed up, it’s lights out for anything in the air or on the ground.

[@maxc.3504]

​@@Goofster-gooberif all of them showed up you should probably start questioning your life choices

[@Goofster-goober]

@@maxc.3504 If all of them showed up, you won’t have time to do so. You’ll be vaporized before you can say “AAH”

[@Aboutthatbearioweya]

POV the F-22 pilot is a mute psychopath

[@daddyeyez740]

Eagles AND Raptors? What do I say about this to the enemy? Dude... you got PROBLEMS man.

[@marvel9r421]

What I have to say?... dont fuck around with a F22! DONT RETIRE IT!

[@SuitedGhost]

It's expensive

[@arkangel7j]

we got somethin better in the works ;)

[@bigv6724]

Already are, be a few years but they have a drone type f22 coming.

[@barefootbreezy6983]

@@arkangel7j NGAD is going to change everything. Stealth drone co pilots that can Jam, engage, divert missiles on top of an aircraft from our latest useable tech. New paradigm of Fighter jet is coming.

[@SA12String]

Your wish came true. They changed their minds and are upgrading the F-22 avionics to better match those in the F-35.

[@Angelofdeth20]

The f22 is the modern version of a damn Gundam

[@Andrewbert109]

What the fuck is the old version of a Gundam then

[@TroaBarton]

+1

[@overlordb1989]

@@Andrewbert109f15, perhaps

[@L.L]

Don’t bring a potato masher to a gun fight

[@Nostromo2144]

Or don't bring a 20mm canon to a long range missile fight!

[@mongolordofdarkness]

The Eagle is John Wick. The Raptor is John Wick hiding while he's shooting you.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

More like the Eagles were John Wick with a blindfold on, and the raptor was John Wick, hiding on the other side of the ridge with a mortar team. The Eagles never stood a chance because they weren’t allowed to engage the raptor, just told to get in the air and wait to be told they were dead.

[@mrfigaloopierre9610]

John wick and invisible John wick

[@Incompetent_pilot]

The felon is big chungus the J-20 is a boeing 747 just throwig it out there

[@dreemeagle]

Wick couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag;

[@mrfigaloopierre9610]

@@dreemeagle have you watched John wick?

[@naughton101]

What did the F22 have to say? 'Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me'

[@Spinikar]

I see you are also a person of great culture. HLC is hilarious

[@thuglifemapper4436]

Stolen comment.

[@brandonmellors9161]

HLC haaahhoooo 🎉🎉

[@Flyboy_73]

Good to see a fellow HLC follower

[@manesaint7459]

Ah good Ole HLC

[@zachvanderpool9111]

F22 "would u engage me, I'd engage me"😅😂

[@utley]

"it was like clubbing baby seals." -F22 pilot

[@thewastelander8046]

The f15 and the f22 are two different ways of reminding America’s enemies.The f15 is the jet the US sends when they want you to see the beat down, it’s maneuverable and fast. The f22 is sent when they want to install absolute terror, you never see IT on radar, but you have to sit there and watch helplessly as each and every jet you have vanish one by one until none remain. Both are exceptional jets in their own ways. Both send the same meaning.

[@CrimsonRaven82]

wrong.. they send f22's to shoot down air balloons. its the usa biggest waste of money along with their expensive carriers wich will become obsolete with upcoming hypersonic cruise missiles. the usa is a show of force, and other countries are finding ways to counter that.

[@dcolb121]

Well said.

[@LeeBrown-zi4bh]

Gen 5 pilots can see the Raptor, and track the Raptor, but cannot get a misslie lock on a Raptor using high frequency targeting radar. It must be frustrating as he**.

[@jamesmaddison4546]

​@@LeeBrown-zi4bhexactly the point of stealth. Stealth never meant invisible. It meant if you're lucky enough to even get radar acquisition (low freq) good effin luck maintaining a weapons grade lock (high freq). The uninformed worry about those long range missiles with like 200+mile range but they're a joke cause it provides too much time to bail on it if it's even got battery power left

[@joshd007]

If an F22 is on the scene, you done fu*ked up

[@johnreynolds1527]

you see an F-22 on your Radar it looks like this 👋

[@lgd1974]

​@@johnreynolds1527LOL

[@batlax18]

@@johnreynolds1527lol

[@batlax18]

More like 🐝

[@Shade_Santiago]

That's if you can find it

[@thatjeff7550]

"Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me."

[@zacharysherry2910]

Hahaha

[@Jeff.78]

"THIS HANGAR'S A FKN PRISON!" - The Kid

[@eagleeye1969]

Its like a hornet vs several wasps

[@davomoto42]

True, but it wasn't a dogfight. All eagle kills were BVR, they never got remotely close enough to dogfight. That is remarkable, because the F15 is one of the best BVR air superiority fighters on the planet with a perfect K/D ratio. THAT is just how amazing the F22 is.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

Strictly speaking, if a Raptor or Lighning II pilot gets in a dogfight, he effed up.

[@icelandball1]

Yea he has to shoot them down before they are to close or just don't be detected by the enemies​@@jacobmccandles1767

[@douglascunningham6319]

You ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

[@saber5694]

​@jacobmccandles1767 true. In the standard scenario the f22 is an Air supremacy fighter. It's job it to make it so only US and allied aircraft can operate in the area. The f15 is an Air superiority fighter. Able to operate without prohibitive interference. You send 22s when you want to make a point. The point being you are very alone on the ground and you exist because we allow it

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@saber5694 in their day they both did the same thing: Scrub the sky of enemy aircraft. The F-15 by virtue of it's large salvo of all-aspect missiles, and the F-22 by a smaller payload delivered via stealth. Both can dogfight, but it is technically an error if either one gets into such a scenario. Other countries have matched the capability, if not the record of the Eagle. The F-22 was the next logical step.

[@Germany3583]

F-22:"You're great Eagle, Just not great enough"

[@icespikegaming6786]

It's fake blud you really believe we.would shoot down our own f 15 for a point

[@jamesmceraghan9165]

VERSIONS MATTER

[@Robert-ds8ec]

I noticed they didn't put forth the version of the F-15 Strike Eagle! 😮

[@corryburton9834]

Maybe not in a dogfight....but in a speed race the f15 is still king of its domain

[@infiniteinspiration1628]

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@Solnoric]

Remember hearing somewhere that half of the US air force's planes have a combined radar signature of a Frisbee.

[@GrungeNY]

And just remember, the F-15 had NEVER been shot down in combat by an enemy in over 100 engagements... No other country stands a chance against these machines.

[@joni8090]

Mud Huts don't have S500 ! 🇷🇺 💲 🇨🇳

[@FatumaAdam-mv4vu]

Even su families never downed in syria😂

[@FatumaAdam-mv4vu]

Take them to Ukraine! U gonna get the results😂

[@Gdb987]

Which enemy’s were they fighting? Have they ever fought an army with an Air Force ?

[@GrungeNY]

@@Gdb987 Ummm Over 100 engagements would require other planes to engage them. I'm not sure what kind of shit you're smoking or what level of reading comprehension some of you have. The US is NOT the only country to use these planes.

[@ashenmoonclash]

You can't shoot down what you can't see. The Raptor still wants somebody to intercept them😅

[@nisargshukla]

BVRs exist

[@user-ym5bl2vl7c]

F35

[@steveperreira5850]

It is a great plane, but drones will get them. 100% guarantee, and soon! Whatever an F22 can do, it’s smaller and much cheaper unmanned stealth drone can do it way better. Therefore the F 35 is a total waste of money.

[@zeroth88]

I’m really curious as to why you think drones will fully replace planes and the F-35 is a waste. Drone’s are certainly effective, but they fulfill a different purpose than planes do from what I’ve seen and understand. Not opposed to them being more prominent, but I don’t think their existence invalidates the F-35

[@RamadaArtist]

@@zeroth88 Whatever the the 6th gen air superiority platform ends up being, it's very likely to be a drone. At this point of technological progression, the pilot is the limiting factor in the F22, and drones that can do what an F22 can without needing to have a pilot inside of them will win engagements against manned fighters, in much the way a missile typically wins versus the maneuverability of a plane. But that doesn't mean manned stealth fighters will go obsolete, by any stretch. Having, "boots in the sky," so to speak, offers a significant advantage to situational awareness and critical response time in actual operational zones. Very likely we will see the F35 continue to be used as a "strike-spotter" platform and act as the manned guide for unmanned air superiority fighters, taking advantage of the in-the-moment problem solving capabilities that a human brings to the table, as well as the fact that a major role of the F35 in the first place is simply to be an invisible aerial sensor suite. Sure it carries weapons, but in real world combat the most useful aspect of the F35 is the ability to get a very close look at what your enemies are doing without them being able to do anything about it. Being able to accurately call the shots is far more important than being specifically in the vehicle that's making them, and this is theorized to be how the F35 is intended to be used in real combat anyway. It's not designed to excel at dogfights the way the F22 is, so instead they'll likely operate in wolfpacks, and send one plane ahead of the group to scout targets. Using sensor fusion, the person who acquires the target can then call for strikes from the other fighters in the group, (even if they're too far away to get a solid lock themselves,) limiting its own exposure and even curtailing some of the risks of making a BVR attack by having someone who's close enough to actually see the target. It's a very different mindset than what the F22 does, and the F35 is by no means a direct replacement for the F22. By extension, while it makes sense that drones eventually _will_ replace the F22, they don't make sense to replace the F35, as its use case has different requirements that rely on more actual decision making from the pilot.

[@fardeenjoya]

Imagine jiren going all out from start 😂

[@smolpeter]

I know that the f-15 cant keep up with the 5th gen stealth fighters but the f-15 is still a badass jet and it looks better than any other jet, when most people think about a fighter jet they usually picture the f-15 just because its so fucking iconic

[@mkvv5687]

You got that right! I was at an F-4 base overseas way back when, and those are pretty iconic, too. When first released, they sent the first F-15s to show the flag around the world in Bicentennial livery. They came to our base and man! Those were beautiful birds!

[@nomoreprospecting]

Yes they are nice, but my favorite is the Navy Tomcat F-14. When it is tied down on the Flightdeck and you are looking straight at the nose, the Jet looks like an Eagle (not the F-15) but a real Eagle.....

[@chrispq12]

F-16 is the most raw dogfighter built

[@mkvv5687]

@@nomoreprospecting Yeah, I love their crouch.

[@arthurneddysmith]

Which F-22 "haters" is he talking about? The thing is universally loved in the US.

[@JerGol]

Those who don't believe it's worth the hefty price tag. No-one disagrees that it's staggeringly good, they just didn't agree that it was necessary. This showed them the error of their assumptions.

[@matthewhunter6421]

now it is, it wasn't always

[@ScoopDogg]

And the UK 😊 one helluva plane my American Cousin. Respect deserved

[@2whl4re]

Must be referring to the politicians who killed the program.

[@Mithguar]

Russians, mostly xD

[@CrazyPalidin57]

Can't fight what you dont know you're in a fight against.

[@mechntechbeau]

Most understated comment

[@pug_knight7756]

All the pilots flew raptors

[@rogaldorn3643]

@@pug_knight7756 I believe he means in a combat scenario, the enemy wouldn't even know what locked them since it's BVR and not on Radar. Could be any number of planes or even SAM. It's basically fighting nothing while trying to dodge missiles.

[@pug_knight7756]

@@rogaldorn3643 oh

[@Mithguar]

Pretty sure it wasn't a dogfight. Can't call it a dog fight when one side didn't even see their enemy.

[@Mantorix]

If the F15s never saw the F22 then don't call it a dogfight

[@frankthetank8050]

Exactly! What a complete nonsense. Dogfight 🤡🤡🤡

[@tacticalturtlez4906]

yeah, that’s a slaughter.

[@SA12String]

That's the modern dogfight. Over-the-horizon kills. However, the 22 is ridiculously maneuverable AND has a gun, so those good, old fashioned, "chase them around" close-in classic dogfights are doable.

[@BobJason1]

If we did dogfights the way you want us to do them, we’d still be flying P51’s.

[@RamadaArtist]

The F22 does get used in dogfights during training though. (Like, starting at close range and putting radar reflectors on the F22 and everything. F22 pilots get trained to fight at close range even if it's unlikely one of those fights would ever happen like that in real life.) The F15 doesn't come close. (Remember that the F15 was designed before the concept of supermaneuverability even existed, and the first testbed prototype _for_ the concept was an improved F15 with canards and thrust vectoring, and the lessons learned from that were then employed in designing the F22. From the ground up the F22 was designed to be better at dogfighting than the F15 because it is capable of doing things that are _impossible_ for the standard model of F15.) The only things in the US arsenal that do, apparently, are F16s flying fully clean and starting at altitude so that they can trade it for maneuverability until they get to the ground, (at which point the F22 simply out-powers it, regains the altitude faster, and wins.)

[@CashVader]

"You going to intercept me? " *lips smack* "I'd intercept me" Edit: thanks y'all for the 555 likes🤣 in 11 days too! But I ain't a man of culture I just said that for fun💀

[@RadBruce.]

I see you a man of culture.

[@lazqr]

man of culture

[@phillipcaihoang8845]

Man of culture

[@venomous2die4]

Man of culture

[@mihalacheandrei926]

A fellow man of culture, HBL army taking over the F22 videos :)))

[@davidclaudy4822]

I’m a rotary wing pilot for the Army. Much respect to those who master the fast movers. Side note. I’ve taken fixed wing pilots for rides in my helicopters and boy oh boy was that fun, and a huge dose of humble pie. But I can’t do what they do, so, it’s all good. Great times and memories. 🙏🏻👍🏻

[@trawlerkent9101]

Mutual respect in the service is a great thing, I switched from infantry to armour and no matter what, we were always relieved to see each other

[@larrydugan1441]

I flew fighters and later LOHs in the reserves I had a hell of a lot of fun in the helicopter. Low level flying a LOH is serious stuff

[@davidclaudy4822]

@@larrydugan1441 The OH-6 was the most fun with your pants still on. I had the privilege of flying that bird for almost 3 yrs before task force took our birds. Then I had to go back to the OH-58. Terrible bird for the mission in my day. But, I still wouldn’t trade that experience for most things on my life. CW2 1/158th C Troop, Scout Helicopter Pilot.

[@larrydugan1441]

@@davidclaudy4822 will Dave we were very fortunate to have those experiences. It would be hard for most to even imagine how great that flying was. Hi Five

[@tucanoguy4719]

@@davidclaudy4822 did you ever get a chance to go for A flight in A cobra? Not saying it’s A better ride than the OH 6. I was just wondering.

[@beaubellamy2999]

Haters: “F15 is the best fighter and needs no improvement.” F22: “Hold my beer”

[@tlaselva]

The F-22 pilot was quoted saying 'It was like clubbing baby seals'.

[@brettcouacaud8537]

The F -22 Raptor is one of my favorite Jets the other is the A-10 Warthog ! With just these two jets you can kick some Serious ass !

[@francisconti9085]

Very true! "Top of Role" aircraft

[@Username25272]

Same here, and B-2

[@andyhardy6003]

F22 , A10 and B2

[@rudolfsobotka7527]

f 22 really said hold my beer

[@onrsi3469]

F22 Pilot: John Cena

[@Steve-gx9ot]

Cena is a Weenah weeny weener

[@algladyou]

Omg. I just commented John Cena. 😅

[@TheHellKnight]

F-22: "would you intercept me?" **inhales deep** "I'D intercept me!"

[@mtman2]

"WE the People" say build'em...!

[@Mobius118]

Agreed

[@bassboss1234]

They quit building them because they were too expensive 😢. only a few hundred were made. The F-35 does the same thing the f22 can do as well as be a sufficient ground support aircraft. the us has been working on making a do all aircraft for years and the f-35 is one of the first to fit that. a MBA so to speak like MBT

[@Mobius118]

@@bassboss1234 The issue with cancelling production early is that it drives per unit cost up. Had they kept manufacturing Raptors they would have been nearly the same price as the F-35’s today. The F-35 is NOT an air superiority fighter. While it is capable, the Raptor exceeds its abilities. It has superior kinematics including astronomically better top speed, and supercruise ability, both of which make it a much better BVR fighter. In close it is much more maneuverable, being a better dog fighter in all aspects. So no, the F-35 does not do everything the Raptor can do.

[@bassboss1234]

@@Mobius118 I never said it could, I said the F-35 is multi role which is more what the US wants. You don’t really need to have a superior speed and maneuverability if your missiles and radar can track and hit a target 20 miles away. the f22 cant attack ground targets as sufficiently as the F35 can. The f-35 is also aircraft carrier capable which is big when operating in enemy territory because it’s not a stationary target that can be captured/ destroyed easily. like I said in the first place, the US wants a Do all plane, not 20 specialized aircraft

[@MrRetluocc]

@@bassboss1234 - The F-35 has been a bit of a disappointment TBH. It's definitely not *bad* but it's not nearly all it was cracked up to be while also going way over budget. The USAF has always had a minimum 2-tier system of aircraft. It would have been better, IMO, to build out the full fleet of F22s and made the F35 a multi-role for everything except air superiority. That would neatly replace the F15 and F16 on the ground, and the F35 could also (mostly) replace the F18 in the Navy. Just my opinion...

[@daleradder7354]

US Airforce has new Fighter Aircraft we don't even know about yet.

[@soulvr512]

What do you mean

[@adept151]

​@@soulvr512 there's a newer version of the F-15 coming out and apparently our government has been hiding some severely advanced aircraft under our noses since at least the 30s.

[@daleradder7354]

@@soulvr512 you'll see in the near future. Trust me.

[@soulvr512]

@@daleradder7354 maybe one day

[@niggasonparade325]

No classification but a Hypersonic aurora variation i presume? Y-N

[@Red_Rifter]

Am I the only one who didn't know they had dog fights for training?

[@austinbdog11]

Free bird moment

[@tillonchow3586]

Yeah, that's correct. In that dog-fight the radio cracked one after the other F-15 that they returned to the base: u have been knocked out! Those F-15 pilots were speach less.... 👍

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Why would they be speechless? When you set up an exercise where only one side can see the other, of course it’s an entirely one-sided turkey shoot.

[@mrfigaloopierre9610]

Yeah, invisible plane

[@dennisnickoloff1723]

​@@Matt-yg8ubIt's kind of like driving a 'hypercar'. When you get on the road to experience the performance it's hard to believe it's superiority

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@dennisnickoloff1723 oh, I’m not saying the F 22 and the F3 5 aren’t amazing aircraft, I’m saying they’re overbuilt for the function that we actually have them serving in the military. We bought him McLaren F1 as a grocery getter sure have a couple of those in the stable if you need to go fast, but what’s the point of using them for all of your average every day commuting when you’re stuck in traffic? We could’ve bought a whole lot more minivans to do the job for the price of maintaining one of those things when we didn’t need to.

[@ZeroDim]

​@@Matt-yg8ubthat's the point though people act like the F-22 is a garbage waste of money yet in practice the enemy will never even see it

[@galexeqe]

"I suggest a new strategy R2.....let the Wookie win"

[@christopherlloyd3754]

Dude this 👌

[@brandonsenesac3310]

Like they say “if you know it’s a raptor, it’s too late”

[@UltrafalconVX7]

"It's not the plane it's the pilot" mfs when they see thrust vectoring for the first time

[@abirivera1610]

To be the best, you have to be at the best. Go Raptor! And thats why they're not for sale to anyone.

[@shanefranklin8733]

Imagine this: you're a pilot in the air force of a nation that's at war with the U.S., and you're flying an attack mission on ground forces. You're as alert as ever, but the next thing you know, you're dead -- and you never even saw the attacker. That, my friends, is the power of a true stealth fighter

[@harmangarcha5734]

Lol. They will see the missiles coming towards them at one point. Also, firing a missile can give away the position of the f22 depending on the radars used by the enemy.

[@charlescarmichael1124]

@@harmangarcha5734 not necessarily. The missiles come from behind and are never detected. Also... no.

[@charlescarmichael1124]

😂😂😂. "They said 72 virgins... I didn't know they meant 50 yo catholic nuns!!!"

[@AtomicBlastPony]

​@@charlescarmichael1124That's not how it works. To see the opponent, you need to use your radar, which gives you away. If you don't, the opponent might as well be a stealth aircraft, too. Even if you use datalink, radar missiles will require a lock and alert the opponent that they're coming. And IR missiles require you to get so close you'll be detected, stealth or not.

[@bp968]

​@@AtomicBlastPony it's actually possible to detect and track non-stealth aircraft using totally passive signals like nearby radio towers. People have managed to build passive "radar" using off the shelf commercial stuff in the USA and track aircraft using signal reflections from commerical radio towers. I suspect the military has even better capabilities. Also, I'm fairly certain that some radar guided missiles can use data links from other radars including large area radars like AWACS allowing the shooter to stay nice and stealthy.

[@mateoreyes1304]

The F-22 is just an IRL Night Fury

[@Luis150697]

What do I say? Just one of them has actually engaged in real combat lmao

[@michelcoil1882]

We need to remodify the F-22 with upgraded radar and communication so they can link up with other US fighters

[@22steve5150]

They are going to start upgrading some of the F-22 fleet with vastly improved computers and avionics included Link-16, upgraded radar and EW ability, and off-boresight IR missile capability among other improvements while others will go into protected storage like the F-117 (partially disassembled and placed in climate controlled hangars) ready to be rapidly upgraded and returned to the fleet in case they are needed.

[@christopherrobin4257]

Already doing that with next gen fighters..

[@christopherrobin4257]

In development

[@ScubaShark--8964]

Ain't it retired? Or they just stopped producing and improvise the ones they still have

[@WildmanTrading]

The F-22 has a design that is difficult to upgrade, this is why the design of the F-35 is designed to be easy to upgrade.

[@certainthings2000]

The Enemy: If an F-22 see you your dead, if you see an F-22....you are standing in line at the Pearly Gates!

[@davidherzog58]

nah , there are no F-22 in heaven yet. If you see and F-22 it means it is still sitting on the flight deck waiting to go up and un alive someone, Or the F-22 just flew past your cockpit just for the fun of watching you shit your pants.

[@TheRe-EngineeredLife]

These were arguably the two greatest US / American fighter jets ever created. Nothing else came close.

[@Makes_me_wonder]

If they can't see, then it's not a dogfight.

[@jasonbrenfro]

This is why I sleep well at night. 😂

[@Tubonaso]

Who is forced into a dogfight has already lost the encounter

[@jamesholden5664]

What about rules of engagement require visual confirmation. That can often be the case.

[@Incompetent_pilot]

Not in a b52 the buff lives forever

[@TheGelatinousSnake]

1 v 5 Raptor won. GG Less than 200 Raptors are in Service. Something like 500 Eagles in Service. Probably a good balance.

[@johnjohnson-pf6ln]

Still not a fair fight lol

[@Ada-zn3pw]

Considering they are all on the same team so the F-15s don't have to worry about the raptor

[@tylerhart4257]

@@johnjohnson-pf6ln ok let's give you F-15 simps 10 v 1

[@Yes-thanks-fk-u]

Less than 150 raptors are combat coded the rest are trainers and test aircraft

[@FeddyFazbar]

@@johnjohnson-pf6lnit was fair enough, 5 against 1.

[@angelcorral586]

F-22: Nah I'd Win! F-15 E: Damn

[@gjfwang]

That's an electronics issue. Now we're still building F-15s but with updated radars, and we no longer build F-22s

[@Ian-mrl09]

This is how to shut up the haters

[@-Crimson-knight-]

Sorry to ruin your day but it is fake🫤

[@LiverpoolRules4Ever]

F22 is the most potent fighter jet ever made. Untouchable 😂

[@markatkinson9963]

Not anymore.

[@jadelmalow1179]

Su57 on his Ass nowadays

[@karchariasxiras]

​@@markatkinson9963yeah. The Russians recruited "the ghost of Kyiv" It's over now.

[@steamyninja8881]

“When you get to hell, tell ‘em Viper sent ya. Dodge this.”

[@Firealone9]

"The Darkstar, a fictional aircraft....or maybe not." My boy what did you just say? 😂

[@rickyestes]

Same story my Air Force pilot friend in AZ told me the same story. Never could even ID the plane before they were eliminated.

[@haydenwestfall8798]

Also forgot to mention, the eagles were piloted by senior raptor (former eagle) pilots, meaning the eagles were piloted by the best of the best. Meanwhile the raptors were piloted by fairly newer pilots with only a few years under their belt (fact check me for the raptor pilots)

[@ColonelRoge]

It’s not about the plane it’s the pilot, it comes down to who’s in the box. F22 Raptor: ‘What’s that you’re saying now’?

[@colocode6979]

3 eagles were died before they even knew the raptor was there

[@DavidMcClanahan-us9ih]

What do I say: give me a Raptor!

[@denniswilliamson6880]

Well I'm a huge fan of the F 15 Eagle. I. Even a bigger fan of the P 51 Mustangs. Awesome planes. Natural progression. The new kid on the block is an out right Bad Ass and rules the skies!! Most importantly, It's in the right hands. Thank God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America the greatest country in the world. Amen

[@dreaminknight]

The US is only great in military. The rest is quite mediocre.

[@gilbertsmith3087]

As long as Donald trump doesn't get back into office, we will continue to be the greatest. 😮😅😂😂

[@nachetgn7287]

​@@gilbertsmith3087Because grandpa Joe is doing a great job, right???

[@michaeltotten7508]

Hmmm...let's see...Democratic Party presidents don't have much of a good record, with keeping or maintaining the U.S. military, in good shape. Ronald Reagan did a great job, making our military strong, and so did Dwight D. Eisenhower, both Republicans. Meanwhile, Truman weakened our military, and got us into that mess in Korea, while JFK and then LBJ, got us into an even bigger mess, in Vietnam, all Democrats. Nixon actually had beaten the NVA, bringing them to peace talks, but when Watergate occurred (brought on by media that we didn't know then was controlled by liberals, but we know it now), Democrats took control of Congress, and took away any funding for the South Vietnamese military, as we were pulling our troops out of there. But the NVA were fully funded by the Soviet Union, and had heavy weapons, which the South Vietnamese military did not. And so we won the war, but lost the country, due to Democratic Party and liberal interference and the emasculated of a Republican president. And FDR? That Democrat nearly DESTROYED our military, from 1932 to 1940, while pursuing failed New Deal socialist policies. Only on May 28, 1940, when the British were struggling to get off the beaches of a vanquished France at Dunkirk, did he call upon the greatest American Republican capitalist of the time, to place him in charge of all weapons production in the U.S. FDR went against the advice of all of his advisors, and even his own wife, and appointed William Knudsen, an avowed Republican who had made G.M. the #1 industrial corporation in the world, at the time. And this great unknown American hero proceeded to BURY all of our enemies in WWII, by leading a massive profit-driven production of aircraft, ships, tanks, guns, and all other weapons, supplies and equipment, enabling us to win that war. If only another dumb-ass Democrat like Joe Biden, would ask for help in his failing administration, from another great Republican businessman, like FDR did, maybe this country would get better, and our military would get strong, again. But, dumb Joe keeps on ignoring the excellent policies of Donald J. Trump, instead of following them--and so everything keeps getting f'd up, in this country. Our enemies abroad are practically laughing at us, now--because Democratic presidents have a policy of weakening our military, in favor of their "social" policies and programs--or just running away, like in Afghanistan. No War in Ukraine started under our last Republican president, because he kept our military strong--and wasn't afraid to use it. Democrats just have a bad history, weakening our military...

[@pfcpriddy]

How about that ole Kennedy feller?

[@br3226]

Yes , but no one of them was MAVERIC😂😂😂😂

[@round1369]

Then Imagine Maveric in an F22..............

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

None of the five F-15s Eagles pilots ever saw the F-22 Rapter in the dogfight. Tom Cruise was in the F-22 Raptor, enough said. So it was mission impossible for the five F-15 Eagles, who all got toasted by Maverick Tom Cruise. Hopefully that will be in the next Tom Cruise Top Gun movie. Just kidding. In our dreams.

[@outsidedsys3099]

F-15's win a in "Dog fight" F-22 wins from striking before that dog fight occurs...

[@lgd1974]

After the movie Top Gun:Maverick, a panel of Navy Top Gun graduates (even a former CO of the school) had this to say: "I wouldn't want to go up against ANY 5TH Gen fighter of ANY country if I'm only in a Gen 4. All I want to be is back on the ground and fast." Professional pilots know that Gen 5 (and the F-22 especially) are far advanced over a Gen 4 aircraft.... even US Made.

[@electicvibes888]

Here's what happened: The F-15s didn't even detect the F22 flying right next to them, in fact, one even send a radio to the F22 saying, "Eagle 3, Eagle 1 is down"

[@dononairos9543]

F-22 is starscream😂

[@alonzowinston5470]

Talked the talk, and walked the walk!

[@lancetruong3075]

Maverick: "It's not the plane. It's the pilot."

[@LS-ot6vd]

That's only true to a certain extent. Pretty sure that Maverick wouldn't stand a chance against an F22 if he was flying a Spitfire.

[@milkymarssnickers]

If the Generation is the same. Of the plane - not the pilot. Knowing his routine a well trained rookie will be able to pull this off in a F22 against 5 Eagle Veterans - just because of the plane.

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

It was Rooster who said that, Maverick knew that 4th gen or 4.5 gen like the Block III Super Hornets will never beat a Raptor in any engagement. In the movie he pretty much had every advantage. His IFF was sending friendly signals to the SU-57s, he had the initiative, he was at point blank visual range, SU-57s are pretty shit when it comes to 5th gen aircraft, and likely has trained for years playing the role of aggressor against the US' own 5th gen aircraft.

[@mkvv5687]

The F 15 pilots were all experienced senior pilots who had been promoted from the F 15 to the F 22. So those pilots knew all the tricks of both planes. In this particular case, it was the plane.

[@VladMoneybagsThe3rd]

I think the F-22 has to be the scariest damned thing with wings since the Cretaceous period.

[@MatyasFrank-bf7cv]

When it is the engineers who win the war and not the soliders 💀

[@eanders7992]

If Whispering Death had a name...

[@aritrabhattacharjee2227]

F-22 RAPTOR IS THE UNDISPUTED GOAT 🔥 PERIOD

[@trex.wantok]

I still think in a dog fight the F-15 has a fighting chance but the Raptor hunts from beyond the scope of any aircraft radar or human eye sight...it's a new era of fighter they don't dog fight they'll kill you without you knowing their was anyone there 😂😂😂😂😂

[@petersmythe6462]

Winning a fight with an F-22 (or J-20, or F-35, or FC-31, or probably even Su-57 or Su-75) is like winning a fight with a camouflaged sniper. It helps to be able to know you're even in a fight with a camouflaged sniper.

[@Ace-of-the-Spades]

Experienced f22 pilots 💀 Wtf happened to f15 pilots

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Exactly. That’s like putting a Formula One driver in a NASCAR and acting like that makes it “ more fairer” When the Formula One smokes them in the straightaway.

[@FAMINE_R1]

To pilot the F-22 you have to be the upper echelon of F-15 pilots. It's basically a promotion. You think they just put random folks into the F-22 cockpit? I swear it's like no one ever taught y'all how to use your brain for any type of critical thinking whatsoever.

[@NJG1986.]

Don’t forget Mr. Cruise’s F-14 Tomcat is and always will be one of the greatest weapons platforms created

[@WildmanTrading]

Specifically Mavericks. That thing could beat two well maintained SU-57's(Which will never actually exist) while in poor condition itself.

[@charlescarmichael1124]

@@WildmanTrading well maintained and su57 should never be spoken in the same sentence

[@nazaxprime]

Having been one of the folks that put the 14 to bed, and have been in the flight line with both tobcats and raptors, watching the sun go down every day, I can say I'd never put a 14 against a 22. I love my Tomcats, but the 22 is a different beast entirely.

[@nazaxprime]

​@@charlescarmichael1124😂

[@billd.6684]

And his Tomcat is 2nd place to his Ninja!

[@Invicta117]

I mean it's the difference between stealth technology and not stealth technology...? Who was surprised by the outcome of this exercise?

[@stevendeclercq3566]

I wonder if the Raptor has an adaptive camoflauge skin so they literally couldn't see it...

[@mikescharmen2288]

I see you but you don't see me

[@USAAMERICAFUCKYEAH77]

Smacks lips "Would you intercept me?"

[@11Tits]

**smacks lips again** “Id intercept me”

[@nr324]

A Pitbull vs a Chihuahua is technically a dogfight, I guess...

[@Rubashow]

The F-22 being better than an F-15 doesn't mean that the F-15 wasn't sufficient in supressing other Air Forces.

[@alanmacification]

What usually handicaps fighters like the F-22 is the rules of engagement. If visual identification is required, it can severely expose planes like the Raptor.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Which is the opposite of what happened here, they put five eagles in the air and told them to just fly straight and level until they were “destroyed” by a phantom they couldn’t see from beyond visual range. They weren’t even given the luxury of smoke in the air and maybe the chance of using countermeasures. This was a simulated “just fly until we tell you you’re dead” situation

[@floydholder597]

Can you even begin to imagine what ROE's the current puppet in the whitehouse basement can come up with to keep his clients happy?

[@boddaboom77]

​@Matt-yg8ub the video said that the Eagkes "used every strategy...plus what they could to save themselves"...

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@boddaboom77 With respect, the video is wrong. Red flag exercises like this are intended to prove a point, they’re pretty much scripted with an already predetermined outcome. This wasn’t news to anybody, this was the outcome they wanted and Designed the “experiment” to achieve.

[@zekepentecost2393]

How do you figure my man? The raptor can get close enough for visual confirmation and never be seen by an enemie aircraft.

[@HarryGuit]

Air superiority can be obtained with F15s because the enemy doesn‘t have F22s.

[@alfr1516]

But why use f-15 they can just use f-22

[@russelltindale9428]

Well no. The f15s can still be seen by other fighters because of its sh*t rcs. The f22 would need to be very close to them to be seen.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

Now that’s a concept the air forces never even heard of. If it’s not the most costly aircraft on the face of the earth, they don’t want to hear about it.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@alfr1516 the F 22 is a fantastic aircraft, but the F-15 is a legendarily good aircraft that outperforms it in several respects. Stealth is only one aspect of combat .

[@fierysun4943]

​@Matt-yg8ub even if it "outperforms" In some way over the f22, which would only be speed, it would still lose to other aircraft designed for modern air supiority which would be stealth

[@CharlesPayton-ow5uz]

F22 is the equivalent of a sniper.

[@bennyfugazzi1054]

The f22 is very underrated They went up against a pack of f18 super hornets and they got messed up