When Pagan Became Christian: Why is the History Missing/Cryptic? - Thomas Sheridan and Neil McDonald

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[@beyondroom3133]

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[@Gorboduc]

"No wild beasts are so deadly to humans as Christians are to each other." - Ammianus Marcellinus, Res Gestae, 380AD

[@Tina_K]

Thanks for the shoutout Thomas! That article was defnitely my most snarky one so far haha, because the whole notion of social media shamans is just shameful and embarassing.

[@4cormacos]

Popping up on my insta feed all the time now are shaman courses. As Thomas says, banging a drum in a field for a weekend don't make you a fekin shaman. The group page is a load of new agers in a field with drums. Always makes me giggle 😂

[@jasoncox7257]

Loved it, I'd call it fiery with righteous indignation.

[@gooddogtalks]

"What we have, we hold."

[@Pelatonkilldme]

What we hold we have

[@mysticdr3amz170]

Absorbing all this valuable chatter from Thomas and Neil .....thank you ⚔🐺

[@anvilbrunner.2013]

I saw Thomas Sheridan's doppelganger on an American youtube video. It was a friendly police man. The absolute spit double, beard & all.

[@HiDesert004]

Although it was brutal I understand why the Japanese were fanatical about keeping Christianity out of their islands. The Tokugawa shoguns were told quite bluntly by Portuguese sailors what the Inquisition did in the new world and several daimyos were adopting Christianity the way Constantine did.

[@doylebraeu]

The conversion of the Kingdom of Tibet from Bön to Buddhism is also very interesting

[@ellenmariemccurdy]

I really enjoy when you two get together - always a good conversation

[@strumminronin]

Posted 11 minutes and 11 likes. Thanks Neil, thanks Thomas.

[@tyramasters-heinrichs921]

Hello from Manitoba, Canada Wish I could attend. Loving the summer weather (finally).

[@bobbibby9847]

More curiosity shop!!! What joy 🤗

[@mickdaly2778]

Bring a few of your other books Neil and Thomas to sell at the event! Thx.

[@joe12524]

Didn't know about the Hailz thing with Nordic paganism, thanks for the info Thomas--I'll stop using it in the future. Great talk.

[@timcleary837]

The Zodiac sign Taurus The Bull (earth) represents fertility and the material aspects of life and the enjoyment thereof - another reason to be at war with the cow and the bull 38:37.

[@bobbibby9847]

I agree. Such war against the cow and ancient ways will backfire. They'd be wise leave our cows alone. If they could leave us human beings alone too, that would be swell!

[@tonyhirst3628]

It represents the cerebellum, actually ,these two charlatans are feeding you absolute drivel.

[@StoneHerne]

😃 Thank you for such an interesting talk, Neil and Thomas! 😃

[@LegaliseFreedom1]

And of course Nigel Kneale was from the Isle of Man...

[@arcadia1081]

I've just stood in St Peter's Square and while I am impressed with the rows of statues either side of the circular area, the one weird thing in the middle is the huge Egyptian obelisk! It looks damn odd. I have also visited Rennes le Chateau and it is my opinion it was the first attempt to create a Switzerland.

[@margaretwebster2516]

really interest's me, things were a lot different after the synod at Whitby. Nunburnholm on the Yorkshire Wolds, the church has a superb Saxon cross inside.

[@dragonflyparade8143]

Constantine not converting: like Henry VIII later. He forced Protestantism on the population, but remained Catholic himself, smuggling in a priest every Friday to give him mass and the sacrament.

[@kenofken9458]

Henry's only problem with Catholicism was the fact that someone, the pope, was in a higher position of authority than him.

[@billynomates5482]

Hi Thomas thanks for sharing your knowledge and threw listening to you;I have developed my imagination into writing stories and making music,I have made a video if you have time could you give it a listen and let me now you thought good or bad I don't mind.All the best too you and keep up the good work that you are doing.

[@JzWorld567]

Very interesting.. I was so fascinated by the churches we visited in the Europe, all the statues and art work looked so amazing, but looking at it from an Indian eye, it felt kinda strange, as churches in India are plain without any of these decorations, they are in fact so boring.. Maybe they had to keep it that way in India, coz the thing the Christians laugh at us Hindus are for the fact that we worship idols.. They in fact call us satan worshipers.. :) But there is one funny thing I have noticed in South India these days, the Christians are starting to celebrate few of the festivals we hindu's have, I believe they do this coz it makes them sell their religion more, to make people feel that you are not missing anything as we got it covered for you!!! In the state of Kerala where conversion is the highest, they go to the extend of having lamps like we do, just replacing goddess lakshmi with a cross.. I kinda find this act very desperate and funny!!! Something that fascinates me the most is, how does a sensible person who questions the govt, or believes that media is there to systematically manipulate people and keep us in fear, how can such a person not wonder their holy book which was written many many years after the death of the main guy is all pulled out of thin air and it is no different from any govt or media today? Hmm, how does this logically not add up is beyond me to understand..

[@yetiayur6011]

I even saw a Garuda Sthamba in one small Church in Bangalore while driving past. Such subversion to rein in more flock. Vedic Culture and civilization is the most advanced. But they were systematically abused and subverted, with all the Muslim invaders and later the Christian colonists. India is a shadow now.

[@donnyskinglongliveme]

Could you tell me where those crosses are in Co Mayo? I found Kilalla tower

[@beyondroom3133]

www.sacredlandscapes.ie/crosspatrick-cemetery.html

[@brianc9374]

Pagan infusion into the Church saved Christianity. I find it odd that the Calvinists fought so hard to purge it.

[@_Alfa_Channel]

Lucky Once

[@0KT0BER]

Sorry I can't post a direct link to it on ThemTube, but folk can look up what Saxon(Temples) churches they might have in their vacinity on 'archiuk', unsurprisingly the South East is full of them. Navigation is a bit obtuse but there you go.

[@lisawilliams5865]

You both look terrific. Best wishes from Tutu.

[@DJCallidus]

I'll watch this @ home. Gonna need some fig rolls and a cuppa. 🤘

[@Riffwood432hz]

i wonder if rosslyn chapel was a pagan place of worship ?

[@user-xv7cr7vz4s]

Thought I'd add my two penneth. What we call Christianity, isn't. It is that inspirational moment St Paul had on the road to Damascus. He saw a way, as you said Thomas, to change military power into religious power. He was a centurion. Jesus followers were a minor sect. Jesus himself is less likely to be a god than a shaman. He suffered extreme pain nailed to a cross, he 'died' for 3 days where he rested in a cave, and all that signifies, and then he 'rose' again, or was born again like a shaman. Maybe the persistent rumours that Jesus lived and visited other countries is true!

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

It’s all amalgamated fiction. Read “Caesar’s Messiah”, “Christ Before Jesus” & “Not In His Image”. All of these books prove the absolute truth. “The Unbeatable God”, Sol Invictus was a Roman God who was killed on the 21st of December, was dead for 3 days, and resurrected on the 25th. Jesus was named “the King of Kings, Lord of Lords”, which was stolen from Odin & Woden, “Lord of Lords, Chief of Chieftains”. There are endless examples-like the two gentlemen in the discussion mentioned-where the creators of Christianity plagiarised and “borrowed” lore from other religions to fabricate their new domination program.

[@HiDesert004]

@@dragonofhatefulretribution9041I always had the idea the Romans co-opted “Christian” ideas as a form of control, but it somehow got away from them and turned into this monstrous mind control thing.

[@dragonofhatefulretribution9041]

@@HiDesert004 It’s unsurprising that the comment you’re responding to is no longer visible to everyone else… But no, even before Christianity’s rise, a certain ethnic group were already breeding into Roman aristocracy and taking control of the political class from behind the scenes-in EXACTLY the same way they’ve subverted and taken over the modern USA & all Western European nations today. The ideology was literally engineered by a cult which originated out of ancient Palestine. “Caesar’s Messiah” & “Not In His Image” are the absolute best books to learn about it and the nature of the cult responsible. “Not In His Image”’s author has many videos in which he talks about the esoteric nature of the Mystery Schools who this cult used Christianity to wipe out across the Levant & all of Europe.

[@The_Custos]

​@@HiDesert004agreed, see the power tactics of Jesus.

[@Gorboduc]

Look up the Flavian Hypothesis. I don't quite agree with it, but it throws some light on things.

[@seanjobst1985]

So much survived within folklore in all our regions despite all their murderous efforts, with strong foundations we can build upon and which incidentally show a certain continuity. The Gods never "left" us - they just took a strategic withdrawal because its all about our free will and archetypal growth as well, when we are ready to receive them again. Regarding Steiner, I concur that a strong case can be made about his Paganism - even if he could only conceive of his ideas in terms of a Christology (for we are products of our time and place, and also then the Pagan reawakening wasn't as strong as in recent decades). Yet even on that we can only look at the ancient Greek concept of the Chrestos which predated the alleged "Jesus" figure and how it owes more to that tradition than the Judaic concept of an anointed messiah, without any of the salvationism. Steiner brilliantly enunciated the daemonae and the hierarchies of various spirits in a way that owes more to native European Paganism than anything Christian much less Biblical. Aside from his lecture about Germanic-Hellenic comparative mythology, much wisdom can be gleaned from his lecture "Karma of Untruthfulness". He made some criticisms of monotheism and revealed a deep knowledge of Baldur (not only from the Eddas but more importantly showing he was acquainted with more continental sources) and the emergence myth and Nerthus from Tacitus' Germania. His evoking of "angels" can be simply re-interpreted as daemonae. His ideas about Lucifer owe much more to Pagan ideals than to Christianity. "It is illusion that modern monotheism speaks of a single God for in reality, seen from a spiritual point of view, mankind has the tendency to speak of as many gods as there are human beings on the earth since each individual means only his own angel [daemonae, patron deity, etc.]." "Under the mask of monotheism is hidden the most absolute polytheism. That is why modern religions are in danger of being atomized since each individual represents only his own idea of God."

[@edwardkariithi8685]

Its sad n grieving .. it happened from contatine time . People need to go to the word of God strictly.

[@salena3204]

Changeovers happen every time...things merge and old ways remain within new ways

[@beyondroom3133]

But this was a poltically mandated oppression and genocide and not a natural flux. Read Catherine Nixey's The Darkening Age.

[@beyondroom3133]

thomassheridan.substack.com/p/pagans-became-christians-because?

[@bobbibby9847]

@@beyondroom3133 correct. And for the first time this specification makes me wonder should we have be grateful it wasn't militarily. Which it was, in a sense. What would have happened had the people known the score then and there? Had they contingency plans? The mind boggles. All I know is I'm going on holiday and not thinking or talking on these mind bending questions again.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

Orthodoxy never came to Western Europe, Yet as a Catholic I can go to an Orthodox Church and it is practically the same. Orthodox and Catholic split a 1000 years ago, so what your saying is largely BS.

[@The_Custos]

Greeks, Serbs, Byzantines trying to get their empire back. Orthodox did "return" and some did travel and trade in the west.

[@beyondroom3133]

I have no idea what you are saying. Honestly I don't. I never said any such thing. Also I am pretty certian that there was some Orthodox pentration into parts of central Europe such as in Bohemia and Tyrol.

[@brianc9374]

​@@beyondroom3133wasn't Venice orthodox at one time?