When People Say Arknights Gacha is Great...

This video shall remain as critical evidence of the painful gacha life that some players have to experience.
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[@ikmalt9851]

you know its painful when its a pulling video that lasts 30 minutes

[@amaterasu697]

Kukki proving that he's a feline magnet, once again. A Cat Caller, if you will.

[@YoungYuri19]

That's why I don't want to pull Joint Operation banner. I pulled on debut banner

[@tiaosan2140]

*Meanwhile 777Ucky

[@enterchannelname7395]

Watch this Ling pull: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDbanSdhrFgg5I

[@bloodred255]

or bad connection/lag or pure copium runs of annihilation

[@dreiak]

The moment you "need" a specific operator is the instant you have lost the will of the gatcha. I am a firm believer the most valuable resource in arknights is patience and not worrying about getting everything right away.

[@eviez6205]

that's basically every gacha

[@hellnickyable]

then they hit you with a limited banner

[@MilanNikolic96]

unless u save 300 pulls and spark

[@NightcoreDesuTM]

@@MilanNikolic96 is it even possible as f2p player to save up 300 pulls between limited banners? idk but since nearl alter banner i was saving up for ling banner (not missing dailies,weeklies etc at all) and i only saved about 140 or so pulls (and ofc didnt get any of limited operators but got 6 other 6* kms). am i missing something?

[@abyssenjoyer]

ok thank you now you gave me a reason to quit.

[@thischannelwasamistake9403]

This reminds me of the memory with Ch'en alter's banner. One of my friends came primarily for Mizuki but ended up getting pot 2-3 Ch'en with Mizuki arriving on the very last minute. He saved hundreds of pulls beforehand for him, nearly 200 not counting the shop restock and such. I came for both of them, I got a single Ch'en after nearly 120 pulls including the shop restock permits with several offbanners like Eyja and a pots. Never got Mizuki. Although, I feel far less pity for my other friend who never saves (he only had around 20 pulls) and fully expected to get a Ch'en and called the game shitty for not doing so. Good times...?

[@VastSilver]

I came for a pot six la pluma and ended with a pot 5 chalter

[@raveelemental4928]

Lmao I ended up with Angelina and Nightingale, not even a Mizuki. Fortunately I didn't have either of them .

[@ichmood12]

300 I bought Chen and Rosmontis

[@sinastir7688]

@@VastSilver Best result ever.

[@atmosdwagon4656]

@@ichmood12 BOTH? That is pain.

[@himi399]

This was spot on my experience I went into the banner owning Just phantom and wanted all 3 others (Surtr/Schwarz the most) Ended up getting 2 sagas at 50 and 100 pulls, a phantom at 140 and surtr finally at 190 and got 0 schwarz. Arknights Gacha truly can be relentless

[@Babi1st]

I know arknights has decent 6 star rate, but it also has the best greed sensor when it comes to specific operators. Last time I wanted a Nian, i spent 200 pulls for nothing. Just empty your brain, listen to your own breathing until you can actually press the "roll" button without thinking about the operator. Got surtr on 30 pulls his way. Bless you kukki

[@iciclesteak]

For reference, the chances of none of the 5 6-stars being a Surtr is only 0.75^5 = 23.7% So the chance of getting at least 1 Surtr in 5 6-stars was 1 - 0.75^5 = 76.2% very very unlucky. I think the chance of exactly 3 phantoms is 5! * 3^2 / 3! / 2 / 4^5 = 8.789% so more likely than you'd think.

[@afineaddition2115]

Upon entering my base and hearing Nearl Alter's voice in the reception room always gives me war flashbacks. I lost to her banner 5 times and I will forever be salty.

[@Mr_Rhodey]

I went 316 deep for Red Skadi on Deep Drown Lament. I know this pain. May everyone avoid cursed Gacha luck in the future. Cheers!

[@beriasims1869]

My worst experience with the gacha was Mountain's rerun banner. 170+ pulls and no Mountain. I was legit crying so hard and I nearly quit the game because of that.

[@gardajofariano5951]

The desire sensor is so cruel sometimes. I remember how desperate i was when pulling for thorns on his rerun banner, i just keep pulling and pulling until i realized that my OP stash (100+) is empty

[@waiman6240]

same man got two off banners on thorns and i was dead broke

[@Bing35P]

I just triggered a pity and hoping to get him, got Poca which was on the other banner 😭

[@Vindicee]

Same, man. I got Weedy twice feelsbadman

[@MrWeissenHerz]

yeah i want thorns and surtr but i didn't get it till now only way that's i buy on shop later. I spend 240 pull on nearl NTR banner hope get some new operator and didn't, i get NTR 6 pot, and get flametail on 240 pulls.

[@akioyuja9206]

Speaks my experience on this game with all limited banners First I participated and got 6* is dusk And got a saga Second was skalter Wanted skalter so bad. Got eyja and kaltist Third was Chen alter I got 2 mizukis and a kaltist Ntr was most painful one for me I got 2 flame tails then my friend felt bad about it and decided to help with like 70 pulls He got 3 flame tails and fartooth In total of all banners Around 450 pulls total 12 6* Not a single one of them limited Yea game do be harsh sometimes Hopefully I get different ending on ling, do not with that for any other doktah

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Unless you've saved up 300 pulls, you're not guaranteed anything.

[@sinastir7688]

I'm sending you lots of positive energy and good luck. I hope you finally get a limited Operator! As the person above me said, if you're having such a bad luck streak, consider skipping some banners to save up to 300 pulls. You'll guarantee a limited operator with that amount.

[@abyssenjoyer]

man AK gacha system is shit. The fact that pity does not carry over. And it's almost impossible to get the operator you ""Want""

[@amaterasu697]

I think my worst banner experience ever in Arknights was Archetto's banner. I had pretty much gotten constant, continuous off-banners in a row until finally, Archetto drunkenly stumbled her way into the base via pity. No limited banner has ever hurt me as much as Cheeto's, in recent memory.

[@YoungYuri19]

for me... It's Saileach banner. I have 24K orundums but I failed to get her

[@Gxylord]

same... i spent £100 or more and got 5 6*s off banner... even a schwarz dupe..... this was her original banner too. I ended up buying her with the selector...

[@ConexCX]

@@YoungYuri19 thats only 40 pulls not that much if you ask me im already saving for Ling and currently have 28k orundum + 13 permit can already e2 70 lvl her i want to atleast have 100 pulls before her banner comes even that much wont be enough

[@zenriya]

Mine is pulling Ex-Wife...... I have to pull like 280 for her, 20 short of spark

[@zhan2780]

@@YoungYuri19 that's not even enough for a guarantee pity, you must be very lucky if that was your worst experience

[@shijimuh]

This video really woke me up on how painful a gacha pull can be, from now on I'll be responsible and save up enough orundum for an op that I really want.

[@FrostySnow1000]

Arknight's saving grace is is the certificate system. I can atleast save gold certs and wait for a 6* shoperator, wish more games did stuff like this

[@halv2076]

The worst gacha experience that I had was W banner with 120 pulls with 1 Weedy, 1 Phantom, and 1 Elysium (pot1 since then until now)... And some rate-off *5 of course (3~5 *5 IIRC).. But I'm gonna put it here... I don't think AK have the best gacha system, but I will ALWAYS say that AK have a decent gacha system and not a bad one. Why? Because since I was a child I already got used to something bad/not perfect (probably because our family was poor and I can't get anything I wanted), so I can appreciate almost every little things that even people hate. So when you guys said AK gacha system is so bad, I can't agree with that. But of course it brokes my heart if I can't get Ops that I wanted, but I always knew that I can't have every good things in life. It's all about how you view things actually. Good pulls, I guess. You got 5 *6 and that's nice for my standard. I mean, it's not rare for me to reach 70/80 just to get pity.

[@73nowhere]

"it's not rare for me to reach 70/80 just to get pity." Thats a lie or you misscounted. There is a 99.844 % chance of getting a 6 star by the 70th pull due to how the pity system works, so only a few arknights users will ever reach pull 70. Exponentially lower chance for that to happen twice. And for pull 80... the chance of getting a 6 star goes up to 99.999924% you have a higher chance of getting killed by lighting. Not saying it can't happen but saying its not rare is a bit of a stretch.

[@halv2076]

@@73nowhere or maybe you never got it yourself? Good for you. I can't even prove it to you, so it's okay if you didn't believe me. Probably you should try the gacha simulator for Arknights? But idk if that's 100% accurate just like the game itself. But I'll tell you, even if I reached 70 pity, I had around 40% rate to get a *6 and I'm not even surprised if I can't get a *6 with that percentage. And I'm not miscounted, because I know I reached 45~50 rolls, and then did 3 multis to got the *6. Saying it's not rare is a bit of a stretch, probably yeah, but it's more than once this s#!t happened to me.

[@73nowhere]

​@@halv2076 No need to be personal, and its not really a matter of believing you its just the math is quite clear on this, fundamental math at that. "because I know I reached 45~50 rolls" See here just a difference of 5 pulls make an astronomical difference once you hit 60+ pulls. So or statisticians are wrong or its a human error so i'll go with the latter. Sure you might be the one in a million user to hit 70 pulls twice which again is very unlikely but that's it. The chance is so low it shouldn't be considered by any users. Like kukkikaze said with the pity system you get on average a 6* every 30 pulls so not too shabby IMO.

[@Vindicee]

Whenever I read some comments that really want to paint AK's gacha as horrible (well, it is objectively okay, but definitely not horrible), I just let them compare it to F/GO

[@eviez6205]

​@@Vindicee AK gacha can be real real bad when it happens, but you don't experience it consecutively most of the time which is quite a feat imo, FGO is like walking on sheer luck on every banner, you lose alot yet gain so little, my worst experience was with Melusine banner, spent almost 200 and got spooked by rateoff

[@vertrd]

This really hit home, my pulls on Chalter banner were easily one of my worst experiences in this game, sadly. I went in 190-ish pulls and I got POT 5 MIZUKI and a Passenger, not a single Chalter. I've never been so heartbroken in a gacha game before and it truly showed how merciless AK gacha can be. Sure the rates aren't bad, but the fact we don't have a guaranteed pull (unless it's 300 pulls in limited banners) really really hurts some people, and it happens more often than we think.

[@mkarun8688]

Yeah..times like these I really appreciate pgr/genshin gacha.(I used about 200 pulls for nearl).

[@SilencePandaa]

agreed but then I realise that Genshin's premium currency is so expensive compared to other gachas

[@dinho178]

260 pulls and no NTR =)

[@Vindicee]

@@SilencePandaa oh man you haven't seen how expensive it is to pull in Honkai

[@SilencePandaa]

@@Vindicee dw I already have LMAO played most of Hoyo's games besides ToT. What makes it worse is that I'm based in Australia meaning the prices are even higher

[@yuurina5092]

@@Vindicee Then you realize honkai and genshin gives more pulls than arknights on monthly basis tough

[@ohman5004]

ice cream for sutr? more like I scream for sutr

[@kennar5348]

I read that as I cream for surtr

[@raviel_0422]

I learned my lesson from the previous JO banners. Never ever pull if you only missing 1 6 star.

[@bloodred255]

just came from a ted talk about learning from you failures and how to avoid them while focusing on the goal. the two things to note when pulling gatcha. you get what you get and you dont get upset. sometimes she isn't coming home today

[@XenithShadow]

An important note is that joint operation is only better than standard headhunting if you want 3 or more of the 6 stars. This is because on joint operation each 6 star is 25% chance. On a regular banner the odds are 25% for each of the rate up's and 50% for a random 6 star. Therefore joint operations is only worth pulling on if you want at least 3 of the units on the banner. Statistacally pulling on any banner other than limited banners is a pretty risky proposition unless your willing to pay the price. The safest way to get a 6 star if you only want to spend a little bit is the to buy a selector ticket and select the 6 star if you don't get them off banner on limited pulls.

[@theprocrastinator6813]

25:54 just when it gives you hope of a back to back 6 star , it gives you another phantom

[@byird7459]

I do agree that arknights is a bit ruthless when it comes to that specific operator if you're unlucky, but I don't think joint operation is a good example when aiming for specific operator considering it has the lowest rate up for the specific one 6*, the banner isn't even meant for this to begin with, any other type of banners have higher single operator rates

[@cwwitchkyobi]

Basically this, you should pull on joint operations if you want at least 2, preferably 3 or all, of the available 6 star operators. Hoping for a specific one isn't too likely, so I'm not surprised at this person's outcome : (

[@arcanumdelta]

if you’re looking for a specific 6* isn’t a JO banner the same as a Standard banner? [specific 6* for JO = 1/4, specific 6* in standard = (1/2)/2]

[@akioyuja9206]

@@arcanumdelta I think he either looking at limited operator banner which has 35% for it Or release/rerun banner which has 50%. Otherwise all other banners has same rates

[@kenshi3942]

@@arcanumdelta Ig they meant JO has joint lowest rate up

[@byird7459]

​@@arcanumdelta yea that's true, they're both bad to all in, from gachas ive played it's always only worth to pull for specific characters on their own banners, so it's just better to pull on their release, rerun, or just wait for cert, that's like the 3rd rerun

[@DylanoRevs]

I had experienced my worst Gacha in this game, and that was from the first Mountain banner. Drained all of my orundums and tickets to get him, and i did in my last pull. I'll never forget about it

[@zhan2780]

how many pulls was that?

[@alifakbar4232]

Got him on my 1st HH permit ✌😁

[@lucio3]

Literally me in Ling's, Flametail and Chalter banner

[@prodigy3148]

To be honest, it will be better if we can also buy them at the shop around 100-150 currency without converting it with another currency unlike in Limited banners or even better if the first 6* operator that we can get in pity is the guaranteed 6* operator that we can choose. Sometimes getting a specific 6* operators are harder than getting a limited operator since there are no guarantee that you will get them especially if you don't have enough luck.

[@CheztaAhmad]

its just like you said, getting 6* in this game is easy but getting the specific 6* more often than not, is really hard even on rate up. My worst experience is that i pulled 317 total in Skalter banner, yet i didnt get Skalter. I had to spark her. However, because of how the gacha system works, often times you get spooked by a new 6* you dont have yet. Granted that this will goes rarer the more you obtained those 6*s. the other good part is that almost no 6* in this game is bad. "Bad" as in they offers little to none to your struggle to clear a stage.

[@AquaticIdealist]

Dio's Opinions said it best: "Rate up is, and always will be, a lie"

[@wzoxae]

HEHHAHAHAHA THE TOE PULLING A BLUE BAG

[@kukkikaze]

rUde

[@husky2961]

This is something that every gacha veteran will experience. Me with fgo. 5 months later she is available to buy using yellow ticket.

[@rip3650]

I had a fairly similar experience with Dusk’s banner. I aimed for 1 saga and save the rest for R6. I ended up pulling nearly 300 times to end up with max pot Dusk and 3 off banners. When the R6 banner came I had to pull until the guaranteed 120 for Ash, best part about this experience is that the first 6* I got was saga. After spending that much on her featured banner. This proved to me Arknights gacha can be a cold mistress and a forgiving one.

[@demonic7131]

Just like me where i did 110 pulls on Near Alter banner and still i haven't got her. This is the reason why gacha sometimes can be cruel at times cause it's not perfect. The lesson here is when you want to play a gacha games and try to summon someone or items like that. Just prepare cause you won't know when will this incident happen to you.

[@zelkk7049]

Seeing multiple 10 pulls and only getting blue light is like a death penalty 💀

[@klutzwei]

AK pulled me back into the game from when I quit long ago at Skadi's first appearance because they gave me Sutr on my first 10 pulls 🙃

[@NateWilliams..]

That's wild😭😭

[@eufrosniad994]

As a newbie, I was hoping for Schwartz to pair up with Exusia, and didn’t get her for any of my rolls. Granted, it was in total around 20 rolls since I didn’t have much. I was so disappointed when I got Surtr since I did not know who she was lol. Now I am pretty happy :D

[@proletariancomrade]

My worst gacha exp in Arknights was during Blaze's first release. Got dupes and off banner ops, I spent like 80k. Eventually got her when she appeared in the shop. And my best one was Kal'tsit and Skalter banner, got both within 40pulls. I also never experienced a double 6* in one bag, only back to backs.

[@ironlegion1580]

ngl when kukkikaze said "u want me to continue" made me smiled cause that face reminds me of mi teachers face

[@jtdarelli1871]

I've been playing this game since the Nian banner in 2020. I think the most I've ever rolled for an operator was for W during the anniversary, which was 122 pulls, then again for Ash during the R6 crossover, which was around 120 pulls too. Other than that, I've never pulled more than 50 or 60 times (and that's including free pulls during limited events). I'm almost completely f2p (minus the 5 dollar monthly card and one six star voucher during the W event). Just by buying tickets from the yellow shop and doing the weekly Orundum battles, I've amassed 42 six star operators in under 2 years. And after rolling on this banner, I got Surtr on my first ten roll no problem. In terms of fairness, my experience has been down right charitable. P.S. I realize this post might come across as arrogant or self absorbed or whatever, but I just wanted to share my experience with this game since most videos on KZbin seem to highlight the most unfortunate gacha experiences players have. For newer players, stuff like this does happen, but equally likely, you can take your favorite operators home more often than not. Just be patient and have fun.

[@oldcat30]

thats too much detail to hurt people. jk

[@thomastan6641]

Started AK in the 2nd week of its released, PURE F2P. 186 out of 210 ops (36 diff 6 stars unit, not dupes). So far worst banner is Nian (200pulls) and NTR(220pulls). But i do have all Limited Ops and rn have 450pulls in bank saving for future banners, so cant really complain too much about my luck.

[@JonaD757]

This banner is one of the worst kinds to get a specific character though... it is designed to get 1 of the 4, these banners are for a general good unit. Arknights gacha certainly isn't perfect and it would be good to have some sort of guarantee of an operator, but that would be more relevant on a solo character banner. If the gacha in Arknights improved I certainly wouldn't complain, but generally I think it is really good if you are patient. The W/Weedy banner is the worst I ever had, over 250+, and didn't get either character. Got like 3 Shinings lol, and had her before that already. I can't remember what other 6 stars I got, but honestly nothing very impressive. I finally got Weedy from the Yellow Certificicate shop recently, but W has still evaded me more than a year later. Limited Operators long-term are pretty tough to get, and probably my main issue with the Gacha in Arknights.

[@hornetsilksong]

Yeah it takes a special type of masochist to try to snipe one unit from a 1/4 chance banner. You should only pull on those if all or most of the characters are desirable. would've been more reasonable to pull her from a banner with two featured 6 stars.

[@rubysp]

Desire sensor man. I just wanted Phantom and ended up getting 5 schwarz, 4 surtr before 1 phantom. Rolled a bit more and ended up with 1 more phantom and finally 1 Saga. Thank god i'm not aiming for Saga...

[@ken_5]

I feel bad for the person, i got surtr in only 14 pulls while he has to do lots and not a single surtr. It was very kind of kukki to spend some money on the person's account and the viewers that joined in praying. Hoping and praying they will soon get their beloved surtr 🤲🛐

[@TheNukedNacho]

I understand the pain. I pulled on Qiubai’s banner 150 pulls I think. Pots for Gnosis, Kal, Aak, Lee, Mostima. No Quibai.

[@hypotatoes5517]

Bruh. Watching this video 5months later. When I wanted a chalter so bad, I pulled 300 for her, but got pot 4 mizuki… ended up sparking for chalter. When I pulled the joint operation banner, I got 2 6* in 1st ten roll 😮 one of them is a new operator. I feel like … the less I pray, the luckier I am… moreover, when I pulled the ling banner, I was ready to spark for Dusk and Nian (I don’t care about Ling, I really love Dusk and Nian), but ended up getting pot 3 Ling and pot 2 Dusk 😂, and sparking for Nian

[@exar44]

This reminds me of me having to do 238 pulls to get 1 skalter after getting a bunch of blue bags and 3 kalsits. Probably the most rough banner i ever had so far

[@RenkaKurogane]

Almost close to sparking Skadi Alter at 270+. And Blemishine (on her release banner)? 181. I was borderline close to crying.

[@pablija5]

the opposite for me, i did 273 pulls for my first kalsit, it was so bad that i pulled a bit more and just bought W out of spite even though i never use her

[@WhiteRabbit.08]

yeah me too, it took me 180 to get skalter and 280 to get kal'tsit. funny enough when kal'tsit appeared again on the normal banner i got her in 1 pull.

[@Mati-kun]

Ah yes, that Akafuyu banner was fun...

[@wienerbrony6487]

Brings me back to when i whaled for chalter, got 5 mizukis and got chalter on the 295th pull

[@Mont3rAK]

Add 5 pull to get 1 pot chalter

[@wienerbrony6487]

@@Mont3rAK I did just that. It just sucks that there wasn't any previous limited ops in there.

[@snowleopy6378]

Man it really makes me feel soo bad seeing people pulling for a specific 6 star on their rate up banner, and yet I got that 6 star from a rate off like I got my Surtr from a standard banner when trying to get Exusiai

[@rifatbobos]

This reminded me of a certain "make your own banner" thing, where you can choose which ops to be featured as rate ups. Quite cool thing. And I thought trying to pull on joint banner will be easier like how I got my Bagpipe, but no, Phantom is still dodging me to this day

[@fastranger]

i think i can relate, i spend about 60 on every banner that was thorns in it, but i just got thorn on last thorns's rerun banner. i think it took at least 240 pulls to get 1 specific non limited character if the account was hated by oprator that we look for. but it doesnt count with limited character, remmember! theres ppl that LITERALY NEED TO BUY WITH SPARK SYSTEM TO GET JUST 1! on somecase even worse, 2 yrs of monthly (about 1yr doing oru farming) and rosmontis never appear on my bag.

[@valk5041]

Arknights actually manages to make even genshin's pity system a godsend in comparison 💀

[@HellWriter]

The worst gacha experience I got is in Nearl Alter banner when I was aiming for 300 pull to get W But ofc it's W in Nearl Alter banner the chance is impossible low so I need to prepared for the worst fortunately I reach my 300 pull in the last day of the banner As a Player I was blessed by Goddess of Fortune in my Gacha Games history even my Friend called me as "Fragrant Hand" and ask me to pull for them sometimes, see this just make my heart ripped apart how come an account have this much bad luck like a curse was attached to it Hope the person was blessed by Goddess of Fortune in the future

[@Unicorns2love]

Once I saw an account, and they still had no Nearl Alter after 300 pulls. They had to spark them. It was really painfull to watch.

[@WalrusJoy]

Another game I play has a build-a-banner every so often (2x a year about). On this banner you have 2 characters with 40% chance each and 20% for off banner. You can select which characters you want on the banner, and also reset the characters 2 times if you get one of them. If Arknights had a similar banner this may help. I know the standard banners are somewhat similar to this but being able to pick the character really is helpful because so often they have a bad character with the good one you want. With Arknights it would make sense to make the rate up 5 stars also up to your personal selection. I want Mudrock and Kal'tsit myself and for 5 stars I would probable just use it to fill holes in my roster.

[@ariqerr4472]

As fellow doctah, this hurt me personally, because I remember having have this kind of moment too

[@GoodKnightPunpun]

lesson learned: never pull on joint operations banners again, NEVER

[@Obakawaii]

I've yet to get Dusk and Rosmantis, and I pulled on each of their banners 160+ times. That said, I still like Arknights because they provide me with so many free pulling opportunities, and I don't feel especially pressured to buy (at least not until I accidentally click on Closure's purchase screen). I'm free-to-play, so I just sigh and move on if I don't get my girls. At this point, I have a pretty strong team, so I don't feel near as hopeless as when I first started out.

[@m54269]

this reminds me of my good ol days, now I learned to just save and only pull on limited banners cuz by then I already got at least 100 to 150+ pulls instead of burning all orundums on standard banners...

[@Dwivil]

My worst experience was sparking for Kal'tsit

[@Zokkar310]

That.. was painful to watch... I could feel the salt in my veins... my brain was throbbing.. But i'm confused, so is this someone elses' account that you helped abit? That's sucha awesome thing to do.

[@teoguohao]

I am pretty sure most of the pull stream/video I had seen and feedback from players is that JO5 banner is actually a bait, not because the banner is bad by itself, but rather people keep getting operators they do not desired, and also the expectation rate for 6 stars (around 34 pulls) is way lower for the first couple tens of pulls. My personal experience for JO5 is making 80 to 85 pulls and got like 2 6 stars, first being surtr dupe and last being saga. This is actually bad when I only have one out of four operators and I not only got a dupe but also went above the standard expectation rate. kukki in this video also suffering similar fate: he went short in the beginning and only even out at the end of the pulls, calling it for the day with a total of 182 pulls, getting 5 6 stars operators, 2 schwarz and 3 phantom, and also 16 5 stars operators, being 2 april 1 ayerscarpe 3 beeswax 6 flint 1 iris and 3 meteorite.

[@Enju23]

The thing is, Joint Ops banners are just bait banners, it's those single 6* Ops banners that are the near perfect types, since the 2nd pity rate up is guaranteed to be whoever is on rate up, Joint Ops have multiple Ops, so it just splits 50/50 or whatever ratio between the rate ups, which lowers your chance of the one you want exponentially

[@thephoenixthingy]

Arknights doesn't have guaranteed rate-ups, except the limited banners 300 pulls shop and Ash 120. Source - I pulled 6 off-banner dupes before getting Saileach on her original banner :>

[@joycosta8707]

It was lucky for me to get Radiant Nearl after 150 pulls. I had to use all my saved up orandums. I with the pity system needed you to pull like 150/200 times like other games instead of 300. No too mad tho as it’s still a great f2p game with decent drop rates for 6* units.

[@LoganRonin-vn2we]

I splurged a little of my hard earned orundum on the Joint banner gunning for Saga and I pulled Surtr, so I stopped. I got a little bit sad, being just a humble goldfish as well, so seeing this, is like suffering through proxy. Gacha is weird man. P:S: OK Uncle, you have no right to be this wholesome. Literally fundraising the dude's acc. Respect.

[@MadIIMike]

Tbh, it's not even that unlucky compared to some people. That banner has a 25% chance for Surtr, but limited banners have a 37.5% chance for the limited operator and some people have to go for the spark after 300 pulls. Also, I know someone who started before the Skalter banner and managed to not get a single limited operator despite pulling well over 100 times each on Skalter (3 offbanner), Chalter (2 offbanner + Mizuki iirc) and Nearl Alter (2 Flametail) banner. ... and Box2 once wasted someone's savings on Nearl Alter's banner.

[@federicomejia1352]

I personally don't see it as a problem. It's a banner that clearly states that it is a 25% chance to get the 6 Star you want. I pulled 80 times to get pots for Surtr or Saga and I didn't get one of them. I knew the chances and lost. That's it. Arknights it is still one of the most benevolent gacha games out there.

[@kukkikaze]

It is a personal problem, I agree. But I think it's with that knowledge that we have to understand such a problem can turn people off badly from this game

[@MarsMKM]

@@kukkikaze I agree with Federico that’s not a problem with AK’s gatcha in particular, but rather choosing to chase a specific 6 star in the wrong type of banner. I’m amazed that the “don’t chase a specific character in a 25% chance banner” rule is so often ignored by players, who then later complain about the rates… if you don’t want to risk loosing all your savings, you either went hard for Surtr during her 50% rate release, chose her from a selector ticket or wait until she’s tradable for gold certs later this year. Meanwhile just borrow her from friends. Can you get lucky in a 25% banner? Sure you can, but just don’t complain if you risk it and come out of it empty handed. It’s like trying to go for Saileach in the next rotating banner and getting mad if you don’t get her. If you don’t want people to be turned off from the game due to experiences like this, instead of showcasing these bad pulls with a wrong strategy from the get go, and saying how AK rates are brutal, maybe you should make a video with good pull strategies, explaining how you should only go for rotating banner when you’d be happy with either featured 6 star and how you should go for these JO banners only if you want at least 3 of the featured 6 stars and roll until you get the first one and then stop. All this should be obvious but apparently it’s not.

[@kukkikaze]

@@MarsMKM Such a video will appear soon! Yes

[@kenkaneki3873]

You're an absolute King for even just considering to top up this guys account.

[@angelosgames9960]

This was probably my Worst Banner I pulled. I saved up to pull for this banner because it has Surtr and most of my Account was Slapped by Phantom and my Main was given a Shwarz which was cool for me but goddamn none of them did get one Surtr

[@kassie-stuff]

Watching this was so painful i got all 4 of them in only 55 pulls and I feel so bad for the people who saved up so much for this aaaaaaa

[@kosmosXcannon]

I had to spark Chen Alter. What made it worse was that I was mostly getting off banner spooks. The same thing nearly happened with Skadi Alter, but instead I got a 5 Pot Kaltsit. At least she was on the banner.

[@maichalatte3610]

the thing i learned from arknight gacha is you never hope for specific operators.. just like me pulling for chalter and ntr, both of them didn't come home sadge

[@npt20]

I was also a victim of the joint operation banner. My surtr is actually using a crossbow...

[@munteanurodica2252]

Flashbacks to needing 188 rolls for Skalter and some had to outright spark her. Yeah, when bad luck hits its all over. I am also afraid of my Ling rolls. Dont have enough to spark.

[@YoungYuri19]

My Last banner was Mountain. good thing that I got him but... I have 10K orundums and I skip Ling

[@munteanurodica2252]

@@YoungYuri19 I have around 30k orundum and 2 ten shots. I am shaking in fear of my Ling rolls. I feel like it wont be enough.

[@YoungYuri19]

The reason why I skip Ling is because of 2 limited Operators are failed to get.

[@proltoen3892]

Skip Ling because I can't spark her, but if I as f2p player skip all upcoming banners I can get spark for spectre alter (Eah, i love my gacha without gacha)

[@munteanurodica2252]

@@proltoen3892 Good luck. If I dont get Ling now. I will spark her 6 months later.

[@Trixterion]

this particular banner gifted me the Phantom(he was literally the 3rd 6* I've pulled: my 1st was Hoshi(I had not known that there was such thing as "reroll" on the launch of the game), my 2nd one was Ifrit(ngl once you'll get her, you will be able to see so many tiles, as if the whole universe were there, and earlier you can get her and begin to bring her to almost any stage so that you can think outside the box - the brain cells you can save, before you get some OP operator). As a F2P player, I used to think that it's almost impossible to get a specific operator until I've spent 10x pulls worth of orundum, 4x one-pull tickets, another ~5k worth orundum for single pulls, and gifted 10x pulls ticket just to get Gnosis as my first 6* after Phantom - I would guess that this was a pity pull, that saved me, It seems that I won't get any 6* in next 20 pulls I have and I am okay with that.

[@reginaldmustardbacon5866]

my experience as a noob is.. its a good gacha if you don't want any particular 6 star.. but once you only want one then it gets pretty hard

[@jojosefixu9648]

Flashbacks to when I got 4 mizukis and then in my second to last pull I got chalter

[@Paloch1708]

Then 9 months later there’s the Kukki Dorothy pulls

[@PolarBear_ed]

The worst one for me was NTR knight. I got her at 298. Fuck me. That was devastating as a free player.

[@PolarBear_ed]

The worst part was I got her on the free 10x pulls on my other alts twice.

[@MilanNikolic96]

this banner was rly nice to me, i got surtr saga phantom in 40ish pulls and called it a day

[@ChronicNOTAG]

Rosmontis and the recent Mountain banner still haunts me. I mean, I got both, but at what cost... Thankfully, I still got pulls for Ling.

[@koro5555]

My worst gacha experience was Skalter Banner. Took literally 300 pulls to get finally get Skalter. Not from the HH, but from token shop. Got like 6 Kaltsit and 2/3 off banner

[@rayneforresy640]

Man, desire sensor is really cruel NGL. Pulling mountain none, Jo5 none. Granted I'm broke and just single pulling daily lol. Come gnosis I was just hoping for a good pity 6*, i do wanted gnosis but I'm not picky as a newbie player. Then thorns spooked me. 2 single pulls later surtr spooked me, and I'm like dang, desire sensors really worked hard huh. What's kinda annoying in AK is we don't have hard pity. So no matter of how many off rates we get, we're never guaranteed the rate up op (except in banners like Jo ops, but still it's 1/4 chance). At the end of the day, Gacha is gacha, and I'm sure everyone got their fair share of good times and bad times of pulling.

[@igorot7481]

Wow a lot of peeps reported that they only got Phantoms in this banner as well. This banner definitely has a higher Phantom pull compared to the other 6 stars being shown. Heck even I got just 2 Phantoms in this banner

[@velhesvalden1309]

To share you my experience too: I spend +130$ in the limited Nearl banner and didn't even managed to get her... On this banner I wanted Surtr or Phantom and got Schwart who is OK and Saga. lol. The last 5 banners that guaranted a 5* at 10 pulls: all 5 I pitied the 5* and not a single 6* obviously. The new banner that guaranted a new 6*, I got Skadi who is one the worst 6* of the game... This is MY experience of the game and I can tell that Arknights is THE worst and frustrating gacha I ever played concerning the rates and pulls. Just disgusting.

[@inverseking1118]

Ahh f… that was my friend lol. I rolled in the same banner and even my rolls were betterFate GO gacha or Arknights gacha. Its all the same.

[@felipecatano3818]

Had to go through 180 pulls for Aak on this standard banner, because of this i got my Pallas to pot 6.

[@QuickQuips]

Meanwhile I got him through Top Op and Supporter...

[@felipecatano3818]

@@QuickQuips I haven’t gotten a Top Op tag in over 6 months 😭

[@evrys3221]

I feel like sniping on a banner with 4 units is a mistake. I wouldn't roll on those banners unless you're happy to get a copy of at least 3 of the featured units.

[@saika1369]

Ikr? Getting *6 is easy because there is pity but getting the SPECIFIC *6 is hard because there is no pity for guarantee *6 RATE UP op especially in non limited banner. At least in limited banner u can spark for the RATE UP ops but in non limited banner? No matter how much u pull if ur luck is garbage u will get off banner until who knows when u will get the *6 RATE UP op. So i wish HG can implement spark at least for non limited op debut banner in the future

[@josuad6890]

Look at that Phantom's face. It screams "Uh, hey, it's me again" energy right there.

[@a2w4omp77]

Damn, this video shows completely different pulling experience than what I've seen. I'm a new player and my luck in arknights has been extremely good(got 2 Top Operators in row. Surtr on my 35th pull and NTR on 8th),but seeing other F2P or goldfish players having none of it really does hurt

[@sb18wlc]

Thats the thing, someone can be lucky enough to get all of what they want and thats what I have been experiencing for one and a half year but then Saileach and Flametail banner turned out to be a different experience for me, I never got Saileach after the amount of pulls I threw at her and instead got 4 pity off-rates. Flametail was also on almost in the same situation, where it almost(luckily not) took me 300 pity on the limited banner before I got her.

[@yuurina5092]

Problem is exactly this Arknights lacks consistency so this makes it extremely hard to actually get the operators you want

[@MyrdinAnnoth]

Still remember how I was trying for Ash during the RB 6 banner. Didnt have enough for pity, coz I was still fairly new and didnt understand the pity system well thus burning most of my resources on Dusk banner just to get spooked by Magalan. FInally hit a 6* on the RB6 banner and instead of Ash it was yet another damn Magalan (hero I hated the most looks wise + coz of the unfortunate spook, at least the skin makes her bearable). I had no budget left to try and help myself with cash at that time. Knowing that limited is never coming back felt really bad, yeah watching this just made me remember.

[@Mordeiv]

This is why I have 0 hopes on this banner. I just knew it was going to be this way and I wasnt wrong.

[@yubiyubiw]

This banner is fun. I spent all I got, and I obtained da Saga pot, Schwarz pot, and the man Phantom himself. Everyday is just another day of no Surtr day I see.

[@jasonmartel854]

Was missing Saga, but wasn't going to try and go in on a 25% chance. Should just about have enough to hit pity on the next limitted banner (which I've needed to have before) including the free pulls, and don't want to compromise that.

[@tejoadi4349]

who knows he will get lucky in future banner, usually will be

[@reallyreallywrong2228]

"on average you take 30 pulls for a six-start" me hitting hard pity 4 times in a row on different banners every single time: oh....

[@shinobuoshino5066]

Don't forget that this is ANY 6* and not the one you want from the banner. Yesterday someone tried to tell me that building 6* meta operators is most sane way to play the game for casuals when it's impossible to get 6* meta operators unless you whale or get lucky.

[@PersonaPrime]

Rookie numbers. I had to do 240 pulls to get Mountain the first time he came into the game. And that's mind you 5 6 stars in those 240 pulls, missing the 50/50 4 times in a row, having to break pity almost every time and needing to buy monthly headhunting pack to do the last 20 pulls.

[@yuurina5092]

Problem with arknights gacha is that it lacks consistency. Higher base chances means nothing if you are unable to gurantee the operator you are pulling for. And even on cases when you can (limited banners) you need to save for more than 7 months non stop to actually do it. Genshin,honkai,pgr and blue archive has lower chances than arknights but what makes them goodis that you are actually able to gurantee the operator you are pulling for not to mention only extremely small amount of gacha games tend to put double rate up in same banner wich arknights sadly is a part of. Yes genshin base chances are terrible but then you realize you only need 2.5 months to get a guranteed character and 5 months to gurantee the character and its weapon while you need 7 months for a single limited unit on arknights. Its a TERRIBLE system in my opinion and seriously needs a change. Espiecelly for new players because its hard to justify telling anyone to pull for any standart banner only banners that are worth actually pulling for are limited,joint op and "New year??" Banners wich only limited one gurantees (at some point) you are getting the operator you want. I just find it weird that Ash, a collab character had a way better banner than any banner this game has ever released.

[@arclight5934]

Except that's what precisely differentiate AK's gacha from those others that you said. AK's gacha is "generous" in terms of how many 6* you can obtain within a number of pulls but there's no guarantee that it'd be who you want. Those other gacha (Genshin, PGR, BA, etc) is "generous" in terms that you have a guarantee to get the one you want. The problem with Genshin, PGR, BA gacha is that they can drop the chance to be as low as possible and still getaway with it just because there's a "guarantee" system (Remember that PGR and Genshin gacha chance is below 1%). For those kind of games, you can do a stupid high amount of pull and get absolutely nothing at all without relying on the guarantee. My issue with those kind of games is that you can technically throw out the "luck" factor (which is the main point of a gacha) and just play it around with money since you can technically "buy" the character you want if you have enough money. This means IF the games have PvP mode, the gap between whales and f2p/casual player become exceedingly large, just because the whales don't need to rely on their own luck and just need to rely on their money instead. In my opinion, the real issue is that gacha players nowadays are getting too used to having a guarantee system in their gacha. They don't want to rely on their own luck and just simply want easier time using guarantee system, as if they're trying to make a justification at their own spending without wanting to accept the fact that what they did is gambling in the first place. Edit: In simpler terms, gacha with guarantee system like Genshin, PGR, and BA promotes spending just the same as how much they promotes saving since the amount of currency you have decided the result of your pulls. Gacha games like AK doesn't promote anything whether it's spending nor saving. Your result depends on your luck instead.

[@yuurina5092]

@@arclight5934 i completely disagree with your logic PGR has two sets of gacha one with 60 pull guranteed and one with increased base drop chance (2% same as arknights) Wich makes it amazing to pull for What makes genshin and BA good is that you can save and you can save alot You said "their system promotes spending" and thats highly untrue Instead they straight up lower spending since you CAN get the character you want And all of these games give more pulls per monthly basis than arknights so your argument on them promoting spending while arknights doesnt still doesnt hold up On arknights you have not set gurantee for anything you are getting and you have to save for 7 months to gurantee a single limited unit (300 pulls) To compare on PGR its 2 months and on genshin and BA its 2.5-3 months And add that none of these games has a limited system like arknights wich means they do rerun their supposed "pseudo" limited units wich arknights doesnt And even their standard banners get effect from this Best example is Honkai since even on standart banners pity carries there is no offbanner and the base chances are 1.5% wich is amazing since honkai gives More pulls on monthly basis than arknights does Your logic is extremely flawed

[@arclight5934]

@@yuurina5092 Seems like you don't read my 2nd paragraph eh? Gacha is gambling and gambling requires luck. Guarantee system kills this need of luck as it changed it from "luck required" into "x amount of currency required" to obtain what you want. Is this good? Yes. Is this bad? Also yes. Why? Because it feeds on the urge of people with gambling addiction. It promotes spending for those kind of people because now they think they just need to spend certain amount of money to obtain what they want. Does it lower spending? Yes since now the ceiling for the amount of money needed falls down tremendously. Does it promote spending? Also yes if the person can't resist the urge to gamble/obtain that certain character. I understand what you meant by lowering spending, but those only applied to people that normally spend money anyway. For those that is usually f2p, there's more chance for them to start spending money just for the reason "to get what they want" (and who knows that this will be the spark that will changed their status into "whale" instead). On AK you said that you need to saved up for 7 months to obtain a limited ops. While this is true, does getting this limited ops is a must? Does the game forced you to save for limited banner? Answer is no. You don't need to do that. The guaranteed 300 spark in AK limited isn't meant for normal players anyway. It has and always meant for the whales. Why do they do this for the whales? To avoid "monkeygate" from happening again. If you don't know what that is, go and google it. It basically what happened to a GBF whale in the past where they spent shitton of money and didn't get certain chara that they want. This incident birth the spark system and later on pity system on gacha games. Lastly, for those games that you said "give more pull on monthly basis", do you even know why they do that? They do that because they know the base gacha rate in their game is shit anyway. They do that because they know that their player needs the guarantee system to get what they want. Like what I've said before, it's possible for this kind of game to not obtain any single high rarity before the guarantee hit. For example: you can go and obtain absolutely nothing in 100 - 150 pull (or even up to 200) in BA or you can also obtain nothing in Genshin before the soft pity hits. They give more pulls as an illusion to show that they're "generous" while the fact is they don't. Remember, the gacha company never care for you as a player. What they care is your wallet instead. Edit: Also read my previous reply edit again. I said they promote spending just the SAME as how they promote SAVING.

[@yuurina5092]

@@arclight5934 Everything you said is already explained on my previous comment... Please for the love of god know that "bUt YoU donT hVaR tO PuLl fOr ThaT OpaerTaor" is NOT an argument here Thats preference

[@arclight5934]

@@yuurina5092 and yet that's not the main point of what I said... "always meant for the whales" is the main point. Please realize that spark in AK is purposedly made difficult for normal player while in games like BA, PGR, and Genshin, the spark/guarantee was meant for all players instead since they made it very accesible. And let' just get this straight. In your first comment, you said that AK lacks consistency. It's honestly is not. You will get a 6* AT WORST in each 60 pulls. It's consistent in being that. Games like BA, Genshin, and PGR is consistent in GIVING what you want in certain amount of pulls. Both kind are consistent but in different way. You said that AK gacha system is terrible while it actually doesn't. There are people that prefer getting a bunch of 6*/high rarities and play with their own luck instead to get what they want, which is my kind of people. On the other end of the spectrum, there's people like you that prefer having easier time getting the character that you want instead. Saying one system is more terrible than the others just doesn't make any sense. There are people that hates AK gacha system, but at the same time, there are also people that hates gacha system of games like PGR, Genshin, and BA. Both kind of system CAN be terrible in their own right. Please for the love of God, realize that you can't see things in one way only. There's always a pros and cons in everything. There's no such thing that is pros only without cons and cons only without pros.

[@Villan8lle]

Sigh. This made me remember my experience with NTR; with 230 pulls - 0 NTR, 2 Sona and 127438++ Corroserum 💀 I thought I have yet to move on from that devastating experience but since Aurora came home so early and Kjera is a free operator I think I'm ready to move on. 😆

[@anca1ag0n37]

Don't worry man. It took me 210 pulls to get Surtr on her original banner

[@Klyfel]

I'm never pulling again on a joint operation banner EVER. I thought i could get some pots for April, and i wasted all my savings for Ling to get only one dupe

[@geo-pillar]

This is why I never go for specific ops. I learned my lessons from Skalter and Chalter banners

[@mikethe9th]

That was painful... I feel almost guilty that I got my surtr just randomly off banner.

[@awesomesauce980]

Ironically, the operator that hurt me the most out of all banners was Ashlock on her banner