When the developers actually care about realism...

This is Helldivers 2 gameplay

[@Prefix1998]

They should give her a line for when she gets damaged and go on cool down just to clarify that it isn't a bug.

[@jamesbrooks2179]

"Eagle one Damaged, Pulling out temporarily. Sorry Guys"

[@seantaggart7382]

"Eagle one taken critical damage, returning to base for emergency repairs"

[@amazingnoo9935]

“Eagle One pulling out for critical repairs, I’m gonna take a moment.”

[@Tanksnstuffs]

"Eagle-1 damaged, returning for super-destroyer for repairs."

[@seantaggart7382]

@@Prefix1998 imagine when we fight the illuminate we may lose eagle one and a cutscene plays with her being shot down with the line "eagle 1 shot down! Im going down!"

[@ryanalving3785]

You really don't want to mess with the Helldivers favorite waifu like that

[@yaboy837]

cmon, we should all know better that an eagle never Mrs. 😭

[@ryanalving3785]

@@yaboy837 Okay this is gold

[@acezero8132]

she's never a Mrs because we all share her 😳

[@oneillam1990]

@@yaboy837 that was an excellent pun

[@robbieaulia6462]

​@@acezero8132 that's because Eagle 1 loves every Helldiver equally

[@Rena152]

I lowkey hoped that the flares would disrupt the Spear's lock on, but that would be an extremely rare detail

[@_crescentmoon_wt]

It would be cool but it wouldn't make much sense since I don't think the spear is an IR guided missile

[@BuddySpike101]

@@_crescentmoon_wt Most Man Portable Air Defence weapons (MANPADs) and ATGMs use heat seeking missiles also known as IR guided missiles. You can just point it at anything hot and shoot. You counter IR Heat Seeking missiles with flares. The other type of missile is Radar guided missiles which are countered using chaff. Obviously you need a big old radar to shoot a radar guided missile so they aren’t used in MANPAD or ATGM launchers. Usually radar guided missiles will be used on jets and on Anti Aircraft Vehicles and installations. You can also tell the Spear uses IR missiles because it’s fire and forget. Once the missile has been launched you don’t need to keep the lock on.

[@jpax69sh]

Flares don't disrupt a lock on they disrupt the actual missile to avoid hitting the plane

[@Wacky10394]

@@BuddySpike101 seeing as the game is in the far future the spear may use cross section missiles which are a sci-fi type of lock-on that can lock on to anything that's large enough

[@OnlyBigHoss]

One time, I was playing with the spear, and I was trying to shoot down an airship, but my teammate called an eagle, and when I launched the rocket eagle used her flares and my rocket just changed directions and missed the airship so maybe flares do affect it or it was just a bug that happened at that time but it was interesting to see

[@laggingjaeger1148]

Holy shit so THAT'S why Eagle-1 goes on random ass cooldowns sometimes! They really should add some voicelines like: "Ah, they clipped my wings, commencing early nest return!" or "Caught some strays, must patch up!"

[@covenant_mog05]

I wish they would make dynamic objectives where if your eagle goes down the objective quickly shifts from your original one to a rescue mission for the pilot

[@zuberk8812]

​@@covenant_mog05 like pelican 1 being shot down while extracting so we must defend crash site (payday 2 style)

[@rentokawaii1216]

​@@covenant_mog05nah the super earth isnt even care about the helldivers casualties, why do they care about rescuing eagle pilots?

[@alpacawithouthat987]

@@rentokawaii1216It takes more time to train pilots than it does to train Helldivers. The training at the beginning of the game is like 15 minutes tops

[@jooot_6850]

@@rentokawaii1216 Pilots are very valuable. An F-35 might cost a few hundred million dollars to produce, sure, but a pilot? If they die, you lose all their experience and the many years it takes to produce and train. Most real-world air forces prioritize the lives of their pilots over individual air frames. If no one else, they are worth rescuing.

[@TheNorthie]

I love seeing the AA guns shoot when someone across the map uses an Eagle. But I didn’t know it would put the Eagles in cooldown

[@robothecoolguy]

Yeah today I found out that it isn't just for show

[@alephkasai9384]

Pretty rare though, usually Eagle just flies too fast to get hit.

[@ShadowDreamer100]

I think it has to be close enough to the AA

[@NovakDjokovik]

No eagle one pilots were Harmed during testing Edit: man! 1 month later and 1.5k likes wow that's awesome thanks for the likes guys and don't forget we are all brothers and sisters

[@heakhaek]

makes sense, they're the one carrying HARMs

[@George_M_]

Given how the SEAF is, for lack of a better term, dumb, the flare system is probably hardcoded to go off even when totally unnecessary. Keeps the machine spirit happy.

[@ATigerShark]

Flares popped off in bug missions before fliers

[@mickthick6170]

eagle training more than likely, trained to always drop flares before the climb

[@reporthimllc1584]

Is that treason I hear?

[@thegrayseed2792]

Dropping countermeasures after each strikes are usually the SOP for CAS as by commiting to a strike, you let yourself known to the enemy AA and it is better to just throw some CM even if it seems unnecessary.

[@pixel273a]

​@@reporthimllc1584 It's not treason, it's a tradition, even currently people from different US military branches have a tendency to shit on each other online haha.

[@Wonzling0815]

Those are not flares, those are propaganda pamphlets rolled up with a reading lamp.

[@baguettelauncher8839]

those are well managed decoys

[@giabao6054]

She also does this when fighting the bugs. Terminids have anti air confirmed

[@fenfrostpaws2000]

Bugs have Strelas confirmed

[@lyonidus3073]

I assumed it would also help with altitude but I realized that’s only for landing and reducing the rate of descent to smoothly transition the plane onto the ground

[@jamesThebulbmin]

No that's just when they leave to resupply

[@lyonidus3073]

@@jamesThebulbmin no the flares occur every time they deploy something

[@GooiYingChyi]

Spewers are technically mortars that can hit high targets.

[@PabloHernandez-gl5ij]

You can't stop freedom loving democracy. 😂

[@lovell8983]

0:44 what have you done?!?!!

[@-DEATH_LORD]

TREASON.

[@PlebNC]

Virgin Helldivers: Blow up teammates. Chad Helldivers: Blow up Eagle 1.

[@jonathanmendez9650]

Chad helldiver is gonna get reported for treason at that rate 😂

[@PlebNC]

@@jonathanmendez9650 Chad Helldiver welcomes it. He'll use their barrage to blast the enemy and still extract anyway.

[@SergeantmajormajorOversee]

Remember, no simps.

[@pwnomega4562]

Very true of the virgin helldiver. Legit had a guy blow up everyone with the 280m barrage one time, and then killed everyone but me on the squad with his mortar launchers and when I reinforced everyone before attracting to get the bonus bro kicks me 😂

[@seantaggart7382]

"Helldiver Watch your friendly fire!" -Eagle 1

[@shizumeru_]

I actually used this mechanic to get a straggler AA gun to turn away from me so I could snipe it with the AMR.

[@venompool6529]

Flares right now don't disrupt Spear lock on, but I'm pretty sure they did before the buff (tho let's be honest, even a forager's fart would disrupt it then) so canonically, Super Earth outdid itself with Spear lock on and let's hope Automatons won't get their metallic hands on new systems

[@SirMattomaton]

See that AA coming at her (even though I know she's not in actual danger) makes my heart runneth over with homicidal rage against the trashcans...

[@Clyman974]

*boticidal

[@rafael-qo7zd]

*throws flares to avoid lock on* still locks on -what

[@Bishop1664]

Working flares would be a pretty niche and pointless thing for them to code into the game lol

[@Wonzling0815]

Is the Spear necessarily heat seeking?

[@marcos9396]

​@@Wonzling0815 that lock on bugs so

[@vektor_z7208]

​@@Wonzling0815The spear uses an object recognition system, it does not use heat aiming

[@fenfrostpaws2000]

@vektor_z7208 may be able to switch between optical contrast seeker and infrared like some real life missiles. Only say this because the optical contrast would struggle to pick out the target if there's any sort of backdrop like terrain or vegetation behind the target.

[@foxtrot570]

I once sent in Eagle-1 with the anti-air still active, she got messed up so bad by just one maneuver that she had to retreat immediately. Boy I felt so bad.

[@kuatiogui]

holy fuck that explains it... i always bring 500kg and eagle cluster bombs and sometimes when i used 1 or 2 of them and i'm pretty sure i have 3 or 4 of them more but then suddenly they're in cool down mode... i always thought it's an in game bug....

[@GooiYingChyi]

They should've display a tutorial tip saying that Eagle will retreat for diagnostics and repair if fired by enemy AA.

[@battelbad12]

She was not kidding with attack underway

[@Rashed1255]

The back of the engines is the hottest and so the target of heat seeker missiles, meaning something like a MANPAD can’t do anything until the after jet has passed, for this reason flares are released after an attack since theres no point in doing so before, u can actually see this being done IRL as well. =3

[@amongusus47825]

- spear still locks on Eagle 1

[@Rashed1255]

@@amongusus47825 I called in an auto cannon sentry the other day and the only thing it killed was my whole team and ended the game so I think it’s on purpose, chat GPT wants to kill us all.

[@skarmex3439]

I'm pretty sure the Spear uses laser painted targeting as it can also lock onto bug holes and some of the larger bugs.

[@seantaggart7382]

"Taken Critical damage, Returning to repair!" -Eagle 1

[@Drenix]

Did you actually fire a Spear at our wife?

[@muaxh03]

*My* wife

[@Drenix]

@@muaxh03 [communist_bugs_bunny.jpg] _Our_ wife

[@LunarTikOfficial]

*This didn't age well.. "Laughs in 90% player drop because of a flamethrower"..*

[@besaidknight]

ngl, I've NEVER looked up...

[@javadrubick]

Calling Eagle-01 is always faster than reloading

[@JTelli786]

Figured the flairs would have thrown off the Spear's locking. I do think they're just for show.

[@zacari99]

Spear looks like a radar lock on. Or object based lock on instead of heat

[@clusterduckstudios]

@@zacari99 Spear is not heat seeking or else it wouldn't lock onto things like chargers or bile titans since those may have body heat but the temp is way too low for sensible target identification Ground radar is a bit difficult to make properly but it could work Due to how the entire enemy has to be in view and unobstructed to lock the Spear likely uses optical sensors to identify targets

[@Boundraries]

Now what does a flare do against aa guns???

[@ImPlatinumRyan]

idk, but modern AA guns use IR to lock on and and fire at jets which is why the military uses flares so the AA guns would focus on the flares, giving the jet a moment to escape. (note that the spear should also use IR to lock on targets). if you want more info google yourself as i might give false info

[@SlizMaster]

Distracts them, I think

[@alazygamer1032]

​@@ImPlatinumRyanconsidering what else the spear can lock on, I think the spear is radar However the automatons might use optical instead which is a possiblity

[@shotgunsunblast6667]

@@ImPlatinumRyan just saying Modern AA emplacements use Radar for longer ranges, IR was fazed out when longer ranged Ground to Air missiles which needed Radar started being used, although some countries do still use IR missiles just not as much

[@ImPlatinumRyan]

@@alazygamer1032 thanks for correcting me, it's why what I said might be false

[@Havelthegravel]

They should make an “eagle down” animation!

[@dranoelarios4788]

Eagle 1: She’s dead tourist… *you made a big mistake*

[@lawlznet]

>targeting Eagle-1 TRAITOR DETECTED

[@Octansishere]

yea but heres the thing, she drops flares even on bug planets where there is no AA there

[@therandomcommenter6629]

They literally have bugs the that act as mortars?

[@KARLOSPCgame]

They shoot spores to other planets, so yes. They have AA

[@OctagonalSquare]

The fact you can lock onto it is dope

[@Captain_Yogurt]

To be fair, flares will not save you from a machine gun style anti air system, flares defeat infrared tracking, aka heatseaking missiles. Honestly the only one it should beat is the spears lock, as that’s exactly what flares do, prevent tracking from IR Manpads, which given the spear can lock onto aircraft, it certainly seems to count as a manpad. The better thing to show would be a lot of shiny metal getting dumped out with the flares, as that’s all chaff is. Chaff is the countermeasure used to prevent or break the lock from a radar guided anti air system, which is much more likely to be the guidance system used on the anti air guns.

[@hazel5092]

That title aged like milk xD

[@ROrneli]

considering that every hell diver has removed the ejection seat and anti fire systems from every eagle to make room for more bombs i would use the flares on every run too. But yes this game has strakingly good details . Just the other day I was playing with my brother and when his destroyed pulled up i could actually see it quantum drive in and stop under my ship .. which is unecessary detail! Other things i have noticed: -When calling a barrage you can see the destroyer actually shoot down into the ground. -if you look out the window of your destroyer you can see other destroyer get shut down. -The amount of destroyers in the planet you are in is dependent on the amount of players that are on that plannet at the moment. I am sure there is more detail but honestly for the small team that develop this game it is pretty impressive

[@rdomnaispartan3734]

Imagine how cool it would be if we could actually fly and control an eagle. It could be like a multiplayer support role or something

[@Totallynotkyubey]

I don't think I noticed any flares fighting the terminids, another nice touch. If only there wasn't a weapon breaking bug for every nifty detail like this.

[@aidanpalmer1075]

No, the flares still pop on bugs.

[@aidanpalmer1075]

@@Totallynotkyubey I always found it funny. It says something about SEAF philosophy to drop flares on every run regardless of confirmed threat status.

[@seantaggart7382]

@@aidanpalmer1075 makes sense!

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

>flares for anti-missile >automatons use AA guns Ah yes, very realistic behavior.

[@clusterduckstudios]

They might IR might not be the worst as it doesn't give lock warning like radar does Radar would however be better for anti air purposes

[@nikovbn839]

Ever heard about procedures?

[@clusterduckstudios]

@@nikovbn839 No I haven't Flares don't work here and they should have found that out by now

[@lavoroxan8114]

The flares could probably work on non-missile emplacements too, depending on what sort of sight the automatons have. Since they're robots their normal sight probably includes some sort of thermal vision.

[@BecauseHyena]

>says the plane drops flares for realism >shows his missile locking on to it anyway

[@ronaldomarchiano6383]

Cmon my respect for eagle-1 team already max out. I cant add another big F for them

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

Video Games shouldn't really be about realism, it should be about immersion

[@duonglethai8701]

*shot by autocannon* *pops flares* Cool training you got there pilot

[@KrimsonStorm]

Would be cool if the only thing the spear can't lock onto is eagle 1 after it pops flairs as the cherry on top

[@clusterduckstudios]

Spear doesn't use heat seeking The more likely tracking method used is optical because you usually need the entire target in view and unobstructed to lock on If it were IR it would let you lock the flares instead

[@troypowers750]

With stingers, irl btw, you can set your targeting to ignore friendly targets. So... some would say that allowing friendlies to lock onto each other is a crippling design flaw. Also, *_why is there no indication for how much reserve ammo is left in your gun drone pack?_*

[@pringles_mcgee]

"Caught some strays, Eagle 1 returning to nest."

[@AbdullahDaGreat]

This isnt real, the alarm clock said so

[@hobojoe357]

I saw those flares and always thought they were weird sci fi casings for the payload they just used. Like maybe the casings were so hot they glowed orange. This makes more sense and is cooler.

[@christianmogol960]

But does she still deploy flares when you got the 4th eagle upgrade?

[@amazingnoo9935]

I wanted to share some stratagem ideas, here goes: *Eagle cruise missile* The eagle targets the toughest enemy in an area and launches a heavy-hitting never-missing cruise missile. *Eagle homing missiles* The eagle locks on to the toughest enemy or enemies in an area, and launch 4 never-missing missiles. If there are no targets to lock onto, the stratagem will not be used and the pilot will apologise.

[@pyroman4554]

I think technically the homing missiles one does exist (the 110mm rocket pods) but I don’t really see it used often.

[@notbeyonce]

Look at your gun's total available rounds when you reload without running out of ammo. You'll actually have +1. Thought that was a nice touch.

[@mis8866]

Cares about realism. >nerf every gun in a PVE only game. Yeah bro super realistic.

[@PufflePufflePuffle]

Also nerfs the realism of flame thrower

[@zealotking67]

Ironic considering when you find an anti-air base you can't drop eagle stratagems

[@qaday123]

Most definitely because at that distance it’d be near impossible to outmanoeuvre the AA when flying over it

[@lecorbeauanonyme8458]

Battlefront 1 had a similar concept, Y-wings that bombed the AT-ATs could be damaged and even DESTROYED by tie fighters! Took my a while as a kid to manage to test that theory.

[@tarael86]

It's not too realistic tho. Flares only help against heat-seeking missiles. The automatons are using regular ballistic projectiles. You, on the other hand, fired a heat-seeking rocket at it, and it didn't get intercepted by the flares.

[@clusterduckstudios]

Spear isn't IR Spear is either radar or more likely optical as you nead clear, unobstructed view of a target for lock Also IR missiles won't get "intercepted" by flares They get spoofed or distracted

[@tarael86]

@@clusterduckstudios Right, my bad. So basically you're saying the flares in the video do nothing.

[@clusterduckstudios]

@@tarael86 Basically It doesn't help against optical (the spear's tracking method) and it doesn't help against radar (what the AA guns are likely using) so it's either for show, because the devs don't know better or because super earth wants to make sure that noone suddenly has IR missiles without our knowledge

[@stahp831]

funny thing is its opposite of realism since flares are used to confuse missiles that are already locked on chaffs are used for interrupting or preventing getting locked on in this case bots are using AA canons not a SAM

[@zachboyd4749]

All this futuristic Halo style tech and weapons, and the primary CAS bird is still basically an A-10…

[@Lies-are-Life]

YOU SHOT HER!

[@peterolofsson9871]

Well technically flares, is against guided missiles.

[@yaboi3413]

I thought it just shut off eagle stratagems around AA Artillery, I didn't know Eagle-1 could get damaged

[@coopergraveline4533]

I think it would be cool if, once Eagle 1 deployed the flares, the Spear lock-on would mess up from locking onto the Eagle. Maybe not totally mess up the lock-on, cause it'd be frustrating for an ally to call an Eagle and have it mess up your Spear just cause you were facing the same direction, but at least have the flares make the Eagle unable to be locked on to.

[@TheClandestineFox]

Flares are used to disrupt the targeting of the aircraft, Eagle-1 should be dropping flares well before the machine guns start firing. And even then, that's only assuming the automatons anti air weapons are using heat based tracking in the first place. Typically flares are used to counter lock-on missiles, not anti aircraft flak cannons.

[@mtrttt7256]

How dare you shoot my sweetheart

[@mjohnsimon1337]

Huh... I always thought this was a bug. Didn't realize that Eagle-1 was getting damaged.

[@MrtrenchTrucker]

He SHOT at Eagle 1.... Every Helldiver with a C-01 permit with Eagle One should DEMAND justice for Eagle 1!!!!!

[@keyboardking8008]

that plane has plot armor , it just flies faster then everything else

[@rexuro64]

the spear locking on to eagle1 is more impressive

[@ryderadams8575]

The flares are meant to deter missiles, not lasers. and the automatons don't use missiles.

[@robertungsod691]

I think those AA guns work like CIWS and CRAMS or modern ones that has FLIR ( forward looking infrared) and a radar to target eagle 1 soo using flares mixed with chaffs can bait the AA guns in to targeting the countermeasures chaff and flares giving the plane time to escape.

[@ryderadams8575]

@@robertungsod691 Fair point, didn't think the metal bastards could do that though.

[@robertungsod691]

@@ryderadams8575 like the old man say " don't underestimate the enemy"

[@trojon2889]

realism? like fire not burning? sure sure

[@The_real_Arthur]

What are you on about, maybe you should keep you mouth shut

[@willmarsden7657]

So when do we get an escort a downed Eagle 1 Pilot mission?

[@Echo_418]

Treason!

[@3ZKZSting]

0:38 Patched for those still clicking on this video. However you can very much lock on to the Exosuits after patch so be careful with friendlies in them as you might accidentally TK them instantly.

[@KerbalChris]

CANT LIBERATE WITH THIS BROKEN EAGLE

[@callmekaiffu2655]

it would be cool if there's a radio that tells you it got hit, just like the heli or apache in insurgency sandstorm

[@scottgust9709]

There is always more details about Helldivers2...games so awesome

[@CasualChriso]

I never get to see this because I’m usually running for dear life

[@grifson_1065]

Sure except you sort of demonstrated that the flares are, in fact, just for show.

[@markfrellips5633]

Wow, don't let Eagle-1 know you shot at her

[@sniperplays6616]

Those are guns, flares are not going to stop guns, but since we operate SAM sites and eagle 1 is doing low altitude ground attacks its feasible to use flares to dodge those l

[@goldminer1772]

and when you have multiple players in a game and you all are spread out wide, you can see clearly that there are flares and red laser fire, visually its epic, especially when a 500KG bomb had been dropped

[@dixiev.2434]

She gains alt rapidly because the rockets for the clankers have low velocity.

[@gorbthegreatmind2422]

I just used the flares so I could know when my 500kg is down and weather or not i should dive

[@elyeneralv5249]

NO FUCKING WONDER and here I thought it was me inputting eagle rearm without noticing.

[@user-pe4kw2mj2z]

All eagles are always on cd ater one bcuz super destroyers have space for only 1 plane and after every time it has to be resuplued and pilot needs libertea to dodge literally a machinegun and not take a hit like that

[@DerKilianist]

Flares protect against missiles, not lasers or ballistics

[@robertungsod691]

I think it disrupts the guidance systems of the AA guns

[@DerKilianist]

@@robertungsod691 Radar locks on planes themselves do not rely on heat signature, so flares would be useless

[@robertungsod691]

@@DerKilianist the plane is not only poping flares tho it's can be mixed with chaffs too

[@murphyisadog]

God this game looks so awesome but i’m stuck with my PS4 😭

[@kaizerevo]

Unfortunately the best AA that the bots have are not AA guns but cannon turrets

[@tuankumiskotak]

anti air gun use radar, the plane should've use chaff not flare, even if they use Fox 2, huge chance it has IRCCM to ignore flares

[@clusterduckstudios]

Fox 1 is semi active radar which doesn't even use IR but yes AAA usually uses radar I think the bots might just use optical tracking for those guns because they only start firing at very close range and have very visible "eyes"

[@arquitensproduction8001]

Oooooh!!! Now I know why sometimes my Eagle1 suddenly goes into cooldown when I only use it once or twice

[@doomslayer7606]

Man I thought it's a bug when I just throw one airstrike and then suddenly all my plane strategem on cd

[@jageryaeger8446]

Blud really said realism instead of details

[@headshothunt3r414]

weird to drop flares if all they face is gunfire tho

[@Sl4yerkid]

well bullets don't lock on, but if they used a javelin then maybe this would make sense.

[@awesometurtle2887]

Eagle-1 still does it on Terminid missions as well though, like I don't think a hive mind can sucesfully operate SAMS... right?

[@ramseyrafan1106]

fun fact : if you call in reinforcements without actually needing one, you can still activate it..

[@Spectre-907]

Spear should bite off on the flares instead of still tracking

[@CosmicGamerReal]

This is unrelated but one time when the escape helicopter landed (i forgor the name I haven’t played in a while) it got stuck in the ground and all me and the rando could do was waiting until time ran out. Also the heli was practically stuck in the ground bc the other guy had to literally crawl into the heli to get inside but even then it wouldn’t go and he just got stuck. Is that common for u guys or is it just a glitch they haven’t patched yet

[@appelbottemjeans]

Futuristic A-10 be like

[@zilfondel]

I just realized that this thing is a space A-10 Fuck yeah!

[@trlltrllenheimer9270]

Flares don't help with AAA fire, only works with IR homing SAMS...