When The Grid Goes Down, Jami Users go UP!

In this video I do a review of Jami, a libre messaging application that requires no phone number or email to sign up, supports end to end encryption, its code is open source, privacy respecting, and modifiable (like all libre software) and is available on many platforms.
Download Jami here
jami.net/download-jami-linux/
A more technical overview of jami by someone smarter than me
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Description from the Free software foundation
GNU Jami (formerly SFLphone, GNU Ring) is a universal and distributed communication platform, implemented as free (libre) software, which respects the freedoms and privacy of users. Aimed at the general public as well as professionals, Jami provides all its users a universal communication tool, autonomous, libre, secure and built on a distributed architecture thus requiring no authority or central server to function.
GNU Jami satisfies a high priority software goal of the Free Software Foundation, responding to the challenges of privacy on the Internet. Developed by Savoir-faire Linux, Jami takes advantage of an active development community thanks to the support of young Google Summer of Code developers as well as research partnerships with Polytechnique Montréal and the Université du Québec à Montréal.
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[@drumpf4all]

I lost my text messages the other day through a mistake of my own. I've contacted both the fbi and nsa to see if they have a backup.

[@-ahvilable-6654]

They do.

[@ergpopler413]

@@-ahvilable-6654 exactly, they almost certainly keep backups of people who try and evade monitoring's texts.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

@@ergpopler413 Naw, as Snowden revealed, they just keep a backup of *everything*.

[@drljevic583]

>anti-government >pro-trump lol

[@codertommy6883]

​@@SchemingGoldberg Do they keep a backup of those backups? And if so, are those backups backed up as well? What about the backups of the backups of the backups? What if they have a way to distort space and time in such a way that they can store a theoretical infinite amount of those backups? If they do, why don't they create a way to generate free, infinite energy off of the backups? Or - get this - what if they can just back up the original energy and reuse it? With all of this energy being backed up into existence, how do the laws of conservation get their energy back? If that is the case, what if they back up the law of conservation infinitely, thus causing all of the energy, and due to some stupidly complex physics, matter, everywhere in the universe to be sapped out of existence? Or they could just *not* create backups. That works too.

[@ognotapussyslayer5917]

>"looking at gardening tips" >Shows picture of CHAZ Based

[@alouisschafer7212]

lul pog

[@cyberp0et]

CHAZ got a lot of human manure to use as fertilizer :p

[@angrypotato9914]

I love how they use cardboard and a thin layer of dirt to plant potatoes, a root crop.

[@Miguelocod]

>states that network layer and below infraestructure is broken >proposes as a solution software that relies on all these layers dislike & report

[@spacemeter3001]

Thought the same

[@sebastiaanstoffels7565]

OK Karen. Would you like to speak to the Manager?

[@aprameyanaganur2934]

@@sebastiaanstoffels7565 r/woooosh

[@spykillergames8402]

ya you have a point.... unless someone mods jami to communicate via RF and radio gear it will still be vulnerable to isp failures but just less affected to the p2p systems

[@chubbyadler3276]

@@spykillergames8402 I believe there is a way to create a neighborhood packet net that pops back up into WiFi when necessary. I'm sure we can make antennas to extend transmission range in certain directions if needed. Perhaps we should cover those as well here.

[@A54729]

Myself and many of my friends and relatives are all ham radio operators. We have practiced communicating if an earthquake hit and knocked out infrastructure. Thanks for posting this. Love your videos.

[@mindblast3901]

Same here 73,s

[@chubbyadler3276]

Something I am wondering, is when the grid goes down, how will we move data to gain access to Jami? The recent planned outages here in the US exposes a weakness many of our communication systems have now, which is dependency on the network and internet as a whole. I would like to see ways we can, say, bypass the major ISPs to establish these peer to peer networks in a similar way to how older gaming systems could directly connect and play against each other within a certain range (similar to the Nintendo DS)

[@warmsmells]

Perhaps a distributed radio network similar to helium's longfi (proprietary 🤢) though theres zero chance for any such network to have nearly the same throughput as currently established infrastructure within our lifetimes.

[@Gzussss]

@ drrate waves are to short.

[@zZGzHD]

HAM Packet Radio would be something worth looking into.

[@risefast184]

these games used lan,it was wired connection between the pcs..

[@manuxx3543]

@@risefast184 Not LAN nintendo ds

[@sebbes333]

5:00 Would be perfect with a temporary or 1-time-use QR code, so only the intended person either connects properly, or probably sends another message like: "Why does it say this code has already been used?", which also reveals that someone would indeed actually be listening to your network & now you know it.

[@mathgeniuszach]

Note that this method isn't as viable as you think due to the two generals problem.

[@reinbeers5322]

@@mathgeniuszach two generals?

[@mathgeniuszach]

@@reinbeers5322 just Google it, it's really not hard to find videos of this kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4GQo3qAgLiNadU

[@fiercethundr_]

@@reinbeers5322 From what I remember it is a technical thought experiment. To remove the fluff to shorten this comment, here is a rough version of the problem... How can two different generals agree on a time to attack a fortified location and be sure the other general knows and has agreed to the proposed time that the first general has sent? The method you propose would have to make sure it could work in all cases including those in which the messengers the generals send to each other may not arrive.

[@videoms1271]

@@reinbeers5322 2 allied generals on 2 opposite sides of a valley try to invade this fort, but if only 1 side goes they lose. They need both armies to attack at once. Theg can send messengers across but the soldiers in the fort might kill the messenger, so how would you set a time for it to happen?

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

"modified lowers" XD Kenny is one of us...

[@184765637]

I wonder what % of the audience actually understands what "modified lowers" means

[@UnReaLgeek]

He’s either a /k/nut or a /d/evient. Or both. Both is good.

[@yukisuzuki629]

@@184765637 i don't, tell me about it t. 3-letter-agency boi

[@184765637]

@@yukisuzuki629 You got a loicense for that, mate?

[@UlyssesPrime]

@@184765637 Good question. Counter question: are those level IV plates?

[@MrHatoi]

Jami still requires an Internet connection, so if the grid goes down, why would Jami be able to stay up?

[@jay1o1o]

was totally wondering this as well. never mention bluetooth or wifi like bridgefy or briar messenger

[@rodrigosouto9502]

Briar messenger works with Bluetooth or WiFi

[@uropig]

He means cell/phone service

[@jay1o1o]

Right, briar messenger has tor internet network routing as well

[@akinozgen]

but you still can connect your neighbourhood together. its not too hard to make your own network with mikrotik/cisco devices. Also there is plenty of air fiber products that only requires good air condition to transfer data. For example in Turkey, there is lots of small ISP's that we work together. They're using mikrotik routers and receiver/transmitter antennas. If global internet suddenly shuts down, the customers of this ISP will still be able to communicate each other.

[@saintmore3089]

7:12 on Android at least, Jami has dark mode. they support system dark/light mode choice and adhere to it. And even if you got system theme set to light, you can override it for Jami in its app settings.

[@tfksworldoflinux]

Very nice. Open source and Gtk. It indeed nicely takes over the theme which is in use. Pitty I don't have any friends... :-)

[@lifebarier]

"GTK" - does not work with themes on kde, massive titlebar, massive buttons in titlebar + titlebar does not respect special buttons (like "shown on all desktops") provided by kde, massive buttons in settings - why do people use tablet ui on desktops? Since it is GTK it will have idiotic GTK file picker which instead of filtering or going to file starting with letter on keyboard click starts RECURSIVE SEARCH.... Yah, trash.

[@tfksworldoflinux]

@@lifebarier Correct. GTK is totally different from KDE's (Qt's) perspective. KDE does have support for GTK themes so you can run the apps. However, I've matched the themes so the title bar and buttons are the same for me. For those who want to take a look: In System Settings go to Application Style and click the button Configure GNOME/GTK Application Style. I've chosen Breeze for GTK which seems to take over the window decoration KDE uses. In my case this is Neonyt-Aurorae. The layout of GTK apps however is different and this is because the design philosophy is different. For me its not really a problem. I just make sure to match colors, fonts, controls. That helps a lot to make things look more coherent. I get your frustration over the open dialog. I also do like KDE's (Qt's) approach better.

[@someonehere4380]

well now it switched to qt in the latest update

[@benjaminbrady2385]

>"My favourite distro..." You mean your love-hate distro: Gentoo

[@x0rn312]

The first 60 seconds of this vid are priceless- I fucking love you man

[@egoworks5611]

Sir, your content is pure gold.

[@ablanchi]

How is the video and calling? seems like there would be a ton of latency. Also how does jami handle not having internet access or having poor quality internet access?

[@lordrusk6118]

i love you channel, keep up the good work.

[@mrmaniac3]

Thanks Tom very cool 👍

[@ladyViviaen]

This channel should at least have 50k subscribers ngl

[@buzzdx]

i would like to know how this works on a technical level? how does it make a connection between, e.g. two phones if one is behind a nat on a wifi, and the other is outside on some mobile network. i saw TURN settings in the options part of your video. so i assume that for voice and video calls it makes these connections over the TURN server. which introduces a dependency on this server to exist and be functional. how is this different from matrix for example?

[@eloquenthillbilly]

"wAnA bE fRienDS ?!?!?" "Licked it!!!" Intro gave me a chuckle

[@jd-raymaker]

Cool, reminds me of Tox. Going to check it out! Also, it's cross platform. Works on any OS

[@tejonBiker]

Quite interesting platform, I think deserves more attention and be considered a real competitor to the actual mainstream app messaging (specially for the data collection!)

[@fatbeard8072]

So if I listened to this correctly, say if I had some computers pre set up and a network established at my home. Like a Intranet, I would basically be able to use communications with others around me even though there is no actual "internet" like comcast or AT&T all down. As long I had power and wifi/ethernet base?

[@MsHojat]

What does this have to do with the grid going down? It still needs an internet connection to work, wouldn't that be what you mean by "grid", or do you just mean electrical grid? Electrical grid would generally result in the internet going out though; or at least for most servers and providers.

[@tissuepaper9962]

There's no "server", it's peer-to-peer, i.e. it will work over any local network whether that network is connected to the internet or not.

[@klimenkodr123]

Can you do a comparison to tox? If I recall correctly it has more features like video calls and screensharing for example

[@Ultra289]

How much RAM uses jami on both Windows and Linux?

[@milanssite]

If the grid goed down, 1 powergrid, no networks/battery power to serve your divice 2 cell grid/internet how do you get the (encrypted) data to “Tom”?

[@voltovsky3856]

is there gonna be gentoo installation of jami? i can't install it using even overlay

[@___xyz___]

Know what would've been really cool? If you could setup your server in jami using the tor protocol. And then Jami would natively detect that the server is on the tor network and prompt users to reconfigure their proxy to connect with all addresses hidden.

[@behrouzjavanmardi]

Please make a video about Element (Riot.im) messenger.

[@iqgustavo]

Is "session messaging" a better alternative?

[@TheTicassShow]

Montreal Ganggggg 🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@SmedleyButler1]

You rock outlaw! What about only key and solo key? Not fsf approved. Is arduino teeny fsf / libre? Can't find any faces that own or run either project

[@markf8819]

Can u do an update video on this

[@bobross1310]

Very cool

[@cyberp0et]

Best messenger style: decentralized, multiplatform and secure. And does not ask for phone number.

[@tissuepaper9962]

This is like the "AirDrop Sneakernet" that Eli was talking about.

[@rtlarkin]

So, I still need cell towers or cable providers to make this work correct?? If the cellular structure went down or I don't have access to cable, I still cannot use jammy. It's really just a secure calm application is application, correct??

[@Neko-kun-dp1hq]

Please, do a video on building Jami from source!

[@djsnackcakes2795]

I'm curious about the differences between Jami and i2p are

[@jort93z]

the arch version is just in AUR, isn't it? So pamac install gnome jami-gnome-git should work, right?

[@stranded_mariner7695]

There is an option to change between light and dark modes manually now

[@Elliandr]

Wouldn't you need a P2P internet, perhaps built on a mesh net of Ethernet and/or WiFi devices? Would this even work on a mesh network?

[@bennypr0fane]

When you have a Jami account active on, say, two devices - can I see the whole chat history with a person on both of them?

[@chrisarmstrong2721]

This is a fantastic video, could you do an update on this please as it would be great to learn how this works and how others can change the name and launch your own version of the app which you can share. Thanks and keep up the awesome work.

[@TrueReviewCA]

Hi, did you make your own distro? Could Jami be forked to work without blockchain as id like to make my own version and not need to be connected to a blockchain or fund transactions!

[@youssefgaaloul]

How doed Jami assign a unique ID? There should be a database which has all existing IDs, right?

[@terry2295]

I'd love to see the video on building it from source

[@baaz5642]

Gonna try it on gnu/hurd

[@CartoonsByRoth]

I've been wondering how to actually make a video call - is there a video that explains this? I don't find any information on the jami website.

[@GooogleGoglee]

Would love to see same software available for Arch and also Gentoo

[@CoWinkKeyDinkInc]

It's already in the Arch repository

[@DwAboutItManFr]

Can it work on phones? This would be useful.

[@achromatic.771]

In the Android client, yes, there is a black theme if I remember correctly

[@cyclonemind7585]

indeed

[@cameronmoore136]

How is it able to function without an Internet connection?

[@AmorDeae]

Signal and similar services want your phone number cause it's the least identifying piece of information that will help prevent people clogging up their servers with accounts, since they are storing the message data, so you don't lose message data if you lose an acces device if you can get the phone number, and if you are messaging a lot of pictures for example, they don't need to clog up your drives. There is no need for Jami to ask for a phone number cause they don't suffer anything no matter how many accounts someone creates and how much data is sent or stored. Also, grid going down here seems to mean magically just the servers of other messaging services and the cellular network somehow go down, cause only as long as the internet network is functional will Jami work, and really as long as the network is up, most other contact services will be perfectly functional.

[@sierra715]

Hey do you think you could make a video on matrix and maybe compare Jami to it?

[@algj]

Any discord/slack/... alternative which has guilds/spaces/rooms/servers? I did try element.io(aka riot.im), but those "rooms" are much more different and you would have to join each chat seperately and they all show up in main chat. It's just weird, I heard they're making something named "spaces", but I wanna know your recommendations guys.

[@snubbelbuff1471]

What is your thoughts about Briar Project?

[@SergeantExtreme]

Hey @Mental Outlaw . Bitdefender states that the download page for Jami is infected with malware. Can you investigate this further?

[@AbarSimorgh]

I was looking forward to start using this app across my devices. Head over to their website, and it's unfortunately down. Anybody can connect to their website?

[@2turyi44gi44ge]

bro you should check out those invisible walls first,try climb it..

[@AcidiFy574]

Ok can someonr explain the "when the grid goes down" part of Jami ?

[@danielyoung_]

7:11 You can set dark mode in the Android settings, and Jami will reflect that preference.

[@jokroast6912]

I would like to see a video on building it from source on something like arch or gentoo

[@somethingreal5042]

Finally i can share memes after the grid goes down

[@TheTOMEK2905]

how does it compare to briar?

[@c.j.hatton]

I'd like to see you do a video about how to compile this from source.

[@usernamejp]

Why does it ask for the server?

[@hbhealthandsuch6179]

Make a comparison of Jami vs. XMPP vs. Signal as email alternatives?

[@ozzlemcschnozzle7250]

nobody mentioning the "modified lowers" why hello /k

[@saintmore3089]

Since you dislike Signal for the phone # part, there is getsession.org , a Signal fork with stuff like that. As far as I could understand it uses their servers even though I somewhere read it's non-reliant on servers like Signal is...

[@metaphysicalconifercone182]

How many times did they rename this?

[@Maeldune75]

Unfortunately, archlinux build for the application is not adequately supported by developers. Like it very much however...

[@GeorgeDundalli]

Jami literally the first name on my birth certificate but I pronounce it Jamie

[@cointrickrTM]

'the modified lowers are buried in a secure location...' -lol-

[@lightninguru26]

Build from source for arch, please?

[@x0rn312]

You should make that building Jami from source video

[@fosres]

Nice video on Jami. I personally tried Jami but it unfortunately did not work when I tried to configure it. I probably will try again in the future.

[@gotija]

Can you look the Hellium proyect?? Ive have dudes about that, how descentralaised its the network and the companys behind the red(who makes the hardware/routers)

[@DeadlyDragon_]

Helium is a crypto project.

[@SuperSpecies]

@@DeadlyDragon_ crypto project that provides a mesh wireless network based on lora.

[@asmarton]

There is, in fact, a dark mode option on the Android app.

[@knoxiegb1782]

Mint 19? I'm pleasantly surprised!

[@Meleeman011]

fiiine i'll take notes least we have a dark theme lol

[@ParadoxPerspective]

You are the coolest guy in the world.

[@levelup1279]

I would like to see a p2p mesh network for android phones which uses the long range cellular signals, of course without properly licensing out the bands. But if the idea is a mesh network on your phone then it would be almost impossible to track down individual users when hundreds or nodes are broadcasting at the same frequency. Implement the same technology bluetooth uses to avoid interference with nearby devices & just say "screw you" to whatever cellular provider is "renting" those frequency bands. I personally believe that no one has the right to sell of auction off frequencies of light, & an ultra long range mesh networking technology would be a really cool use for cellular phones. Just requires someone smart to program it & you would probably need a custom rom to unlock the full raido functionality. That would be be so awesome & of could do hops across highways to interconnect cities across the country together. That would be a truly decentralized internet. Design if front the ground up with privacy & anonymity in mind, like burner receive ips which are randomly generated like tor addresses & all traffic is end to end encrypted. Yes this would be illegal to broadcast on random frequencies but who cares, they wont be able to catch you.

[@fision8090]

I couldn't make it work in artix, that's sad

[@pham9790]

I didn't even know this happened

[@festerbutt]

What if they just cut the cables? We have gypsy people here that cut them all the time for copper ore.

[@juxuanu]

What about groups?

[@arshadpakkali]

yami-qt package on manjaro has dark mode

[@benjaminbrady2385]

I use jami on android and it does in fact have a dark mode built in

[@user-md3is4dq2d]

How are you going to comm on jami when there’s no service

[@lorddorogoth]

Nice selfie tom.

[@Sovaltair]

Build from source? I can't say no to more content from you :P

[@kodesafi]

The android app has a Dark Mode.

[@Germoney2000]

I first installed SKYPE and it crashed my OS (Ubuntu Budgie) believe it or not. Skype is "presently" no longer in the repository... now I'm trying Jami. So far so good!

[@biehdc]

Is there really not a single free alternative that literally copies discord's interface? We are trying to move away from it, but every alternative we found is just missing a few essentials, matrix gets close, but its a not just there yet issue.

[@STNKbone]

I haven't actually used DIscord, so I might be wrong, but I thought Riot.im used the same basic interface as Discord.

[@RedFenceAnime]

@@STNKbone "matrix gets close, but its a not just there yet issue." matrix == riot

[@saintmore3089]

Only heard about these once but what was your experience with these? Rocket chat Mattermost Zulip btw was just looking for more and found out they're all listed on alternativeto.net/software/discord-app/?license=opensource

[@jonesbbq307]

I thought you can use it without the grid.

[@Lola_Greens]

when the internet goes down just use the internet

[@GianvitoFerrara]

Needs upnp ?

[@p33kss35]

Epic

[@RoughGanome]

Please do a gentoo video

[@beesleyrc759]

Seems similar to Session, a fork of Signal.

[@someonehere4380]

its p2p you dum dum