When The McEnroe Brothers Faced Each Other In The Chicago 1991 Final...

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@rjamesyork 8 ай бұрын

Years ago Patrick was doing tv commentary on the Williams sisters, I think with Cliff Drysdale. The other commentator said “Younger siblings often have trouble living up to the pressure of having a famous older sibling as a player.” To which Patrick replied, “Well I wasn’t as good (as John)! That was my problem.”

@MIZUNOMP60 7 ай бұрын

True, but Patrick proved to be an excellent tennis commentator.

@stevel.2759 8 ай бұрын

That's how successful people act after a match. And brotherhood.

@Aria-j3b 7 ай бұрын

Il giocatore più talentuoso di tutti i tempi e tra i più forti della storia

@nishchal11a 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Tennis Tv

@grevinlew 8 ай бұрын

I've watched John play since he was in his teens. I knew his strokes were unorthodox, but I didn't recall how much he was like an earlier version of Mannarino with a one-handed backhand. I can tell you that watching the pace of his shots in a video is misleading. In person, he didn't crush it the way they do today, but his shots had a lot of zip, and his control was amazing. Also, there was a stretch of about 3-4 months one year when Patrick was nearly unbeatable. Unfortunately, he got injured and that was the end of that.

@Bitshitter 8 ай бұрын

McEnroe is unorthodox in his strokes because his strokes are very old-fashioned, not seen much since the 1960s and especially not since the 1970s post-Borg/post-Vilas with their hyper top-spin strokes and extreme grips that when they came about, THEY were considered "unorthodox" but now are considered the standard in today's game of tennis. But John McEnroe's strokes were unique in that they were all from one single grip - McEnroe didn't change his grip from his service return, from his serve, from his forehand or backhand, or from his volley at the net. From what other tennis players adjusted with their grips switching from forehand to backhand, McEnroe would simply pronate/supinate his forearm, which required a strong and firm wrist to hold the racket firm when making ground-strokes - especially ones from deep in the court. To McEnroe, a forehand or backhand from the baseline was simply a net volley from far away from the net. Because of this, he had a lower margin of error because his ground-strokes had lesser top-spin than the players who would employ an extreme western grip. McEnroe used the continental grip. Think of tennis grips like shaking a man's hand. When you extend your hand to shake another man's hand, typically the thumb knuckle is at the top or 12-o'clock, and the back edge of your hand - where the pinky finger is attached - is at the 6-o'clock. So, when you hold a tennis racket in your hand using the continental grip, your hand is like shaking a man's hand, and the frame of the racket face is vertical, going up and down from 12-o'clock to 6-o'clock. A western grip would be where you hold the racket with your hand in the same position, but where the racket frame is horizontal, going from 3-o'clock to 9-o'clock. This frame position in your hand allows you to slice through a ball during your ground-strokes, imparting great top-spin into the ball. With the continental grip, you have the best power with hitting the ball, but that power is shortchanged because there is little top-spin, so you have to pull off of that available power, or you hit the ball past the court's baseline too often. A great preferred compromise to either the continental or western grip, is the eastern grip, where the racket is held so that the frame is at a 45-degree angle - somewhere in-between the continental and western grips. So the frame would be around the 1 or 2-o'clock to 7 or 8-o'clock, or 4 or 5-o'clock to 10 or 11-o'clock, depending on whether you're left or right-handed. Some folks have stated that McEnroe's grip is more eastern than continental, but its really a base-continental grip, and then McEnroe pronates/supinates his wrist (forearm, really) for certain strokes that give the grip an appearance of an eastern grip. Most professional players use the continental grip for returning serve, because a pro player's serve is so fast that there is little to no time for a returner to react to a serve and get his grip into proper position in order to effectively return it, by switching between grips. So they typically just use the continental grip that works for both sides, then adjusts to their preferred grip once the service has been returned into play. Pros also typically use the continental grip when they are volleying at the net, for much the same reason as using it for service returns: play at the net is just too fast to be changing grips in mid-point. This is much of the reason why traditional back-court ground-strokers are always so clumsy at the net: not only are they not used to playing points up there, but they typically prefer a grip that is not conducive to consistent volleys up there. McEnroe is of course what is known as an aggressive net player. When he is serving, he almost always moves to the net immediately. And when he is receiving serve, he is ALSO looking to move to the net almost just as fast. So he figured at an early age to learn how to hit ground-strokes using the continental grip. One notable method when you observe his matches, is he keeps his elbow firm when hitting his strokes, either from the forehand or backhand side. He doesn't open up his elbows outward like other players do with their ground-strokes. Then he pronates/supinates his forearm as he strokes through the shot - especially on his forehands - so that it angles the racket face just enough to generate SOME top-spin through the ball. But his grip is firm, and the racket is still in a continental grip - its just his hand, and not his grip, that has turned the racket face slightly. This requires very firm wrist support, and it also results in little back-swing - which having an open elbow technique provides - but apparently it is difficult to have an open elbow while at the same time have a firm wrist, and still provide consistent placement for McEnroe's ground-strokes. In order for John McEnroe to hit his ground-strokes as efficiently as he did his career, he needed to have very strong and firm left wrist and elbow action. You also see that when McEnroe hits his forehand and backhand from the baseline, he would almost leap up into it, rising off of the court instead of rolling his hips and torso into his stroke. This is because of the stiff, closed elbow technique - he used his entire body, instead of his arm, to generate top-spin. This is ALL due to his loyalty to the continental grip for ALL of his strokes....

@brianlee5584 5 ай бұрын

Yeah but didn’t Edberg use continental grip for all his shots too?

@Thanatos9 8 ай бұрын

can't believe those clowns had the scoreboard wrong on championship point at 5-4

@c3vzn 8 ай бұрын

I think TennisTV added the graphics. Doesn't look like from that era.

@turdferguson1070 7 ай бұрын

He was a linesman that got demoted.

@Shaunsweeney-Kubach71 8 ай бұрын

This was awesome!

@jm7804 8 ай бұрын

John was incredibly difficult to beat on carpet. He had the most titles on carpet of any male player in history. Wiki lists Connors as having more, but that's a total lie. John had 43 and Jimmy had 33. John had the most overall titles on carpet, highest winning percentage on carpet, and longest winning streak on carpet. Since the surface no longer exists, those records are forever with no chance of being broken.

@JK-vc7ie 7 ай бұрын

oh, so you are saying the person ranked #1 in the world was hard to beat? Go figure.

@tyrone1544 7 ай бұрын

Thanks dork.

@jm7804 7 ай бұрын

@@JK-vc7ie John was ranked number one in 1991? Oh really?

@jm7804 7 ай бұрын

@@tyrone1544 Why don't you try educating yourself about the sport? You're one of the worst trolls on here. Always something nasty to say.

@JK-vc7ie 7 ай бұрын

@@jm7804 You said John won 43 titles on carpet in 1991.

@marcgrondin65 8 ай бұрын

Fantasy tennis : John vs Patrick .. how does one get to see that ? On the tour there have some, but both in the top-10 at the same time .. pretty darn rare.

@pedropablop4098 8 ай бұрын

Exactly, and even more rare thinking that’s a final. This was history of the game

@shelleywarkentin9656 7 ай бұрын

I think this was their only meeting. Glad it was a final.

@davced1 8 ай бұрын

John seems to play with tourna grip here I didn't know he ever did that.

@stoolpigeon4285 8 ай бұрын

well spotted. I think you're right

@tabbnab8204 5 ай бұрын

One of my favourite match ever saw. I love very much toJohn's play style ... btw anyone know this John's racket? I assume it wasn't Dunlop max 200 G

@pedropablop4098 8 ай бұрын

The commentators had a rough time when they had to say : a good shot from McEnroe

@keeganandersson4281 7 ай бұрын

I had no idea Pat had such a different and more modern play style than John. John was a little bit like Medvedev in a sense that his ground strokes looked awkward but were deceptively good and precise

@Shaunsweeney-Kubach71 8 ай бұрын

I seen you smiling John!

@aleksthegreat4130 3 ай бұрын

The only match John wouldn't mind to lose,anyway,Patrick was a solid player,Grand Slam semifinalist.

@JK-vc7ie 7 ай бұрын

Dad is there watching his two sons play in an ATP final thinking how is it possible that I suck at sports?

@Sammytwo4 3 ай бұрын

Very nice 👍

@goderer2057 8 ай бұрын

Almost every player back then had an all court game ability. I look at today’s game and i see players who struggle if you even draw them near the service line in a rally..in those days, these guys could volley, hit shots on the run, slice, etc. medvedev would have pulled his hair out if he faced mcenroe..1000%

@lotus630 8 ай бұрын

and none of these players would have lasted 3 groundstrokes against modern players they're not all court by today's standards

@masters.1000 8 ай бұрын

@@lotus630 Laughable. If the modern players were given the 90s rackets, they wouldn't hit two strokes without shanking the ball.

@forzarsenal98 8 ай бұрын

⁠@@masters.1000well they didn’t begin playing their tennis with those 90s rackets. So really you have no clue as much as the next guy how well they’d fair

@masters.1000 8 ай бұрын

@@forzarsenal98 I certainly know they benefited massively from the improvements made in the last two decades, therefore they doesn't need to be much talented to be a top player. They started playing with modern rackets. Federer played in the 90s and his style modeled after Sampras. Since he adapted and beat everyone of the current generation, it's clear that these guys wouldn't compete in inferior conditions.

@gregoryphillips3969 8 ай бұрын

Such a great point. It's really weird to see a player get a short ball, hit it, and then run back to the baseline. I think that some of these players will have shorter careers because they don't know how to end points. The key isn't to rally until someone misses or falls over, it's about doing what is necessary to win points. This is what all of the great ones do

@masters.1000 8 ай бұрын

Good old times.

@JK-vc7ie 7 ай бұрын

They love each other as brother should, but John would rather die 10,000 deaths than lose to his brother.

@Rodrigorodriguez20241 8 ай бұрын

Still one of the dirtiest old man young man’s games of all time. So so good.

@robocop5935 8 ай бұрын

The first brothers match since gene Mayer vs sandy Mayer.??.

@DavidEJacob 8 ай бұрын

I wonder how much older John is than Patrick?

@JK-vc7ie 7 ай бұрын

google it bro

@shelleywarkentin9656 7 ай бұрын

7 years difference

@miltonweinhold6859 8 ай бұрын

better call saul?

@ucfkid67 8 ай бұрын

@ 12:19, Patrick is up 40-30, but john wins? What kind of backwards tennis scoring is this??

@stixy_dp3005 Ай бұрын

mistype probably

@Rodrigorodriguez20241 8 ай бұрын

Who else sees Keith Richards in Johnny Mac?!

@moheganson 7 ай бұрын

Surface sounds like a WWE mat

@anthonygiles8941 8 ай бұрын

Patrick had a strange backhand, sort of a not fully committed two hander, not hitting over it. Seems like maybe he grew up with a single hander and changed late

@Tennisisreallyfun 8 ай бұрын

Okay, not some weird porn bot here but a real person😂 And I just wanted to say that this is great! I love both of these guys as players and it’s incredible to watch them face each other!!! It’s like the Williams sisters, but with two brothers🤩 Just something special when two siblings walk on court together whether it’s against each other or as a doubles team, but the energy is not to be missed😉