When the new cast is even better than the original

A side-by-side analysis of the #RatPack classic and Steven Soderbergh’s equally star-studded reimagining, featuring #GeorgeClooney and #BradPitt.
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[@RustyMeyers-q2r]

I was lucky to be cast in the O11 remake. I played the Security Guard who let the Greaseman (in the money cart) into the vault area. Opposite Scott Caan and Casey Affleck.

[@Flexin010]

Nice! I love the oceans series.

[@IFeelSoTongueTied]

That’s awesome, I just rewatched it and that scene stood out, that’s so random I happened to see your comment hahah

[@dianalee3059]

I was blessed to have a 60 year busy career as a studio singer. At one time or another I worked with all the members of the Rat Pack. Dean Martin with always be my favorite. I worked on his T.V. show for six years. He was the BEST. He had the greatest respect for his cast and crew members, and not an ounce of star ego. I miss you, Boss ❤️

[@element720]

To be fair to the original, they weren’t trained actors. A bunch of entertainers who got together for a fun movie. Remake is one of my favorite movies EVER

[@shingshongshamalama]

If anything, the remake is pretty much the same project the original was. A big goofy vanity project for a bunch of stars to do something zany with and have fun.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

@@shingshongshamalama Difference being they WERE trained actors :D Even then though, it's the directing that made this film so brilliant.

[@TheJjcczz]

@@shingshongshamalamaNot at all. Gilbert Kay got the idea from a gas station attendant and sold it to Peter Lawford who then workshopped it with multiple writers. Lawford told Sinatra about the premise of the movie with William Holden as the lead, however Sinatra liked the premise so much he wanted to star in it himself with his friends. Sinatra essentially co-opted the movie to have some fun WB had been looking at remaking Ocean’s 11 since 87, but the initial attempt fell through. When they tried again 2000, they wanted to go all out with the cast and looked at all the big actors at the time. The final cast is the result of multiple rejections and dropouts due to other projects and offers. Soderburgh literally had to reach out to several actors he was friends with to fill roles. While some of the cast were friends and had worked together before, many of them were meeting and working together for the first time. The cast did have a lot of fun filming , but they thought the movie would only do ok. In fact most of them including Clooney and Pitt were only doing the movie as a favour to Soderburgh and had actually turned down more promising lead roles, at least 2 of the actors only signed on because they wanted to work with Soderburgh. Don Cheadle was literally filming a different movie when Soderburgh called and asked him to play Basher with Cheadle filming his intro scene during one of his breaks. They then had to pause shooting for 2-3 weeks until Cheadle had wrapped the other movie The original is the result of a group of celebrities using their power and influence to change a movie to suit them The remake is the result of Soderburgh helping out many of those actors in the past and them returning the favour

[@AlystrZelland]

I really love that line: "the audience is part accomplice, part patsy." Very well said. I was pleased to find a juxtaposed review of both films having recently seen the Rat Pack version for the first time; I'm more pleased still that it's well done. Cheers.

[@RedHotMessResell]

Finally a video points out the “Is it hard crossing over from tv to film” line. I have been rewatching ER and Clooney movies recently and I love that subtle nod to George’s career as a parallel to Topher’s even though George is Danny in this timeline. 😂

[@matorix003]

That’s a great statement… „old times are only good when you’ve had em“

[@ohmypaper]

Soderbergh's O's11 is an absolute all-time masterpiece. Another brilliant remake that far surpasses the original is, of course, The Thomas Crown Affair

[@HeadbutKneecap]

I watched the original a few months ago and the thing that worked so well was the chemistry between all the characters. You got to see how well they worked together and it was like watching a band on a day off hanging out with each other which I think is the point of the whole movie really.

[@laughingatyrfuneral]

A rare instance of the remake being better than the original. Far better

[@JDillaRobot]

goof

[@joshpritt2146]

I disagree. Im not a fan of both movies.

[@jokerz7936]

@@joshpritt2146 Same. Nothing beats the ending of the original.

[@jqyhlmnp]

Old people and film bro hipsters would like to have a word with you. I’d recommend declining to respond to them 🤮

[@Bully_dogg]

The original does not even deserve to stand in the shadow of the the remake. The remake if just too good.

[@funkygoobermelon]

It took the rat pack staring back at me at the very end to realize that ‘I’ was the audience for this video editors rassle dazzle, dang that’s cool

[@adityachaurasia2532]

Your quality of video is getting incredibly beautiful.

[@L3i6HSin63R]

thank you Aditya, very glad you liked it!

[@jakethet3206]

Ocean's 11 is absolutely NOT meant to be "pure entertainment." It is, in point of fact, an extended metaphor for film-making. Because of this, you basically misinterpret everything, most egregiously when you say that the end scene represents how there is no brotherhood here. HOLY CRAP, is ALL of this wrong! They make it clear throughout the movie that these men mostly all know each other, having done multiple jobs together in the past, and even knowing about each other's personal lives to some degree. And what the end scene represents is how a movie crew IS a brotherhood, one that has to temporarily disperse, to come back and reform in different configurations over and over and over. You say there’s no brotherhood, to which I ask you: Then WHY would Rusty turn to his co-conspirators and look at them so fondly? Why wouldn’t he just look at the fountains and leave? And the rest of that sequence backs me up… that these guys care for each other. And none of this is subtle subtext, which, to be honest, to anyone who really knows movies, makes this is an especially egregious miss you've made here. And considering that this is a well-known (and again, OBVIOUS) analysis of Ocean's 11, it frankly undermines confidence in any of your analyses.

[@Al-gx6lt]

Great content! One of my favorite films. It was a pleasure watching this 😀

[@MFTKR]

Imagine them trying to make a prequel to oceans 11, how could that work ?

[@Phrankytee]

I lOve the movie so much i think this would br the only way to pay homage 13 was great btw

[@DSQueenie]

The original wasn’t that bad.

[@miligaming27]

Honestly the first one was great 👍👍👍

[@johnts1]

That 60s movie stinks compared to Ocean's 11. Also, it's a different movie.

[@joshpritt2146]

You can blame me all you want for my opinion but im not a fan of both

[@awwwyeaboyeeee]

@3:29 it's hard to make brad pitt look unattractive but they did a good job here

[@cenadj]

please do a video on Italian job too..

[@L3i6HSin63R]

those are interesting films to compare, though maybe a little close to the Ocean's examples - '60s original caper, early '00s star-heavy remake - for now. but thanks for the suggestion!

[@sebthelobster]

Given the state of cinema now, those of us in the 40s didn’t know how good we were eating until now

[@justintime1343]

Apparently Mr. Roper was rubbing elbows with Rat Packers. Who'da thunk?

[@javierbedolla4248]

Thank you for this 👍😎

[@antoinepetrov]

I beg you, the Little White Lies team, do not adopt the title style of Cinemastix, it's endlessly annoying.

[@dianalee3059]

Both films had their strengths. Personally I liked the newer version more.

[@raymondclouston6255]

I think of the remake as a perfect movie..everyone did their job.

[@EgdeFilms]

Fantastic video.

[@L3i6HSin63R]

thanks Matt, nice to hear!

[@jebbell3040]

I got 5 seconds into this video and immediately stopped to go watch oceans 11

[@daisieb7547]

Wheres brad

[@trishlangford5773]

It's a completely different film. The original had the Rat Pack including Sammy Davis Jr. Oh yes. They filmed in the day and performed and partied all night in Las Vegas. It was just great fun. As a huge Sammy fan needless to say I like the original. The remake takes itself much more seriously. In the original their parts were written to take up as little golf time as possible. Not to mention that Ava Gardner and Shirley McLean played uncredited cameos. Didn't want their names on it. But for all its flaws I just love the original. Because of Sammy. and the rest of the Pack.

[@rossw5258]

The narration sounds like pillow talk

[@Thedarkknight2244]

I thought the vid was referring to oceans 8 being better. I know options are subjectivie, but that would be wrong

[@ahuxley123]

Can't say I agree with the title of this video. Enjoyed the remake but not as much as the original.

[@kifacorea]

Forgot the Asian clown they always marginalize when talking about this film.

[@1cardplayer]

The original is much better than the 2001 version. You have to appreciate being able to see Vegas in it’s early years before being over commercialized. You have to also appreciate that the premier showing was unexpected and not many even knew it was being produced. Also, back then, the rat pack was notoriously known to go out and give a dealer a break and deal cards or tend a table game while mingling with the general public which is something that never happens today.

[@mintybadgerproductions]

Nothing you've said has anything to do with the substance of the actual movie.

[@1cardplayer]

@@mintybadgerproductions OH really....you may want to watch the movie.

[@mintybadgerproductions]

@@1cardplayer The only thing you mentioned of any actual relevance to the substance of the movie is being able to see Vegas in 1960. Even then, I'm not too sure what you mean about Vegas becoming commercialised, it was Sin City since the 1930's unless you're referring to the end of the Mob which is surely a good thing? Regardless the surprise movie premier and the fact that the Rat Pack mingled with the card dealers has nothing to do with what's actually on screen.

[@1cardplayer]

@Minty Badger Productions God damn kid, your gonna keep milking my nuts on this huh? Here's the facts just so you have them. The version that I have of this movie contains within the disc a narrated version of the movie by Angie Dickenson and Sinatra's son, both speaking of the above comment that I posted, regarding how my said comment is indeed factual information. It's a fuckin joy to watch with their narration while also taking in the scenes and being able to see the different scenes of Vegas, in a timefeame where Vegas was not as overly commercialized in 1960 as it is today.

[@mintybadgerproductions]

@@1cardplayer Hold on mate, no need to get hostile. It seems you can't comprehend my comment. I never disputed what you said was fact, I just said that those facts have nothing to do with the actual quality of the movie. I think it's clear to anyone not influenced by nostalgia that the remake is the superior movie.

[@dcamaraman939]

Oceans 8 isnt Canon😅

[@HGBMD]

Should do a video on original vs remake vs remakes 💩 remake 😂 and why it shouldn’t exist

[@John14710]

They’re gonna remake Game of thrones

[@TheJjcczz]

I don’t see that happening

[@oldfrend]

the problematic part of classics - they're a product of their time and often suffer for it. modern sophistication even in a light film like soderberg's version would blow away a 60s audience. when i was in my 30s i decided to have a really good look at classic cinema. for the most part i hated it. overacted, shallow, melodramatic garbage esp. anything pre 1970.

[@me_here_now]

The 1960 cast were jerks as people and pathetic actors, except Sammy Davis Jr. The remake is actually great to watch.

[@joshpritt2146]

I disagree with both, im not a fan of both movies.

[@WillL1TE]

Good analysis, didn't like the narration though

[@Farbautisonn]

As a guy who lives in the 1950ies and really like Dean, Frank and Sammy, its perhaps not surprising I like the original more. Ive only seen the newer movies once. I watch the original a couple of times a year. At least. You know you are getting a Summit/Ratpack home video when you turn the original on. The new ones are just heist movies with an ensamble cast, thats not even that greatly written. A petty cash grab from Hollywood, that lacks the charm and style of the original.

[@mintybadgerproductions]

Cash grab? The sequels maybe, but the first 2001 remake is definitely not. I'd argue the original is more of a cash grab than the remake, it's a pretty lazy heist movie that coasts on the star power of the rat pack. The remake is better shot, has a more nuanced and varied heist and better performances. The actual members of the 11 beyond the leads are also far more memorable and distinct than the lookalike middle aged journeymen of the original.

[@Farbautisonn]

@@mintybadgerproductions So... the original was a cashgrab? Lulz. You are talking about Martin and Sinatra who were at the height of their careers. They were top-billing in Vegas and could have had any studio throw money at them for just doing a documentary on how to cook an egg. The original isn't to be taken seriously. Its a fun movie,, both for the cast and crew. It doesnt pretend to be anything its not. Its just goofy entertainment. What came after lacks the charm and wit. It lacks the "devil may care" attitude. It lacks the style of decadence that everyone thought was Vegas. Sure it has an ensemble cast, but are any of them really even close to how popular Martin and Sinatra was at their time?

[@mintybadgerproductions]

@@Farbautisonn Yes it was a cash grab, it's a lazy heist movie designed to cash in on the Rat Pack's popularity filmed on their time off from performing. If you know anything about the production you'll know that's true. Sinatra made excessive demands on scheduling and other aspects that the Director and Writer had to keep adapting to. Saying it's not meant to be taken seriously isn't an excuse for a poor movie, the remake isn't meant to be taken seriously either, but it's far superior. Beside the rat pack, the original 11 are a group of interchangeable generic middle aged guys with no defining traits or characterisation (that also applies somewhat to the rat pack too) They're all meant to be cool, but they come across like incompetent drunks who mess up a relatively straight forward heist that lacks the variety and challenges of the remake. The 11 in the remake actually have distinct personalities and character traits which come into play during the heist. They all actually contribute something to the story. You talk about decadence, most of the original involves them standing around in various Vegas hotel rooms talking to each other and phoning each other up. It's flatly directed, the cinematography is dull. The popularity of the actors has nothing to do with the quality of the film, but even by that token in 1960, Dean Martin and Sinatra were old blokes who made music for your mum and dad. They didn't trouble the singles charts and they were only a few years away from being swept aside by the Beatles and the new Rock scene. Brad Pitt in 2001 was arguably the biggest movie star on the planet and actually had a young following too. I can't help but feel you're blinded by your nostalgia and fandom for the Rat Pack to see that the remake is clearly the better movie. It has better characters, better direction and better set pieces.

[@trishlangford5773]

​No it was advertising for the Rat Pack. They were performing every night in Vegas.

[@douglaslewis866]

Wrote my views on which was better after watching an interview with Georgie Boy.........not even close........Frank, Dean, and Sammy legends. Angie in a limited role is off the charts better than the Pretty Woman...... Some originals should just be left alone.

[@JohnVanderbeck]

Every time I see these older movies from the 50's and 60's, I'm frankly appalled by the excessive and casual level of smoking and thank god every time I wasn't born in that time period.

[@xboxnangable]

The original stands way above the remake

[@yeetxd2890]

Okay old timer

[@Legend77700]

I bet you think the godfather is the greatest movie of all time too

[@ZionistWorldOrder]

ayyy spare me the feminist commentary

[@joshpritt2146]

Hate me all you want but both the 60s movie and the remake sucks in my opinion.

[@tiffsaver]

This reboot SUCKED. The original was easily 100 times better. Just look at the cast of the first... the greatest, most talented group of men the world has even known, all in one fantastic film. These young Hollywood boys aren't fit to carry their water.

[@theknowledgeco-operative6997]

both were terrible, terrible movies. all ego, no plot. horrendous drivel