When They Can't Win an Argument They Bring Up Trans Issues | Matt Dillahunty & Wil Jeudy

[@SimonMTL]

Trans women are not claiming to be cis women, and trans men aren't claiming to be cis men. This is really the best explanation.

[@kw2080]

If it were true, it would be a start. Yet, they are claiming to be women; not trans women.

[@OkiSmokey]

@@kw2080just as a tall woman is a woman, a trans woman is a woman. A self-taught artist is still as much of an artist as a formally educated artist

[@22GreenForever-n7x]

Matt getting triggered is pure entertainment....

[@Hingusbingus4]

​@@22GreenForever-n7xlil guy comments this under every post he sees

[@22GreenForever-n7x]

@@Hingusbingus4 Yes, you're such a tough guy behind the safety of your computer screen.... (You're pure entertainment, seriously)

[@schloany4479]

Consistently and unwaveringly, callers whose first sentence is something about the last caller, are always worse or as bad as the previous caller.

[@mecca777]

💯💯💯💯

[@jaceking5938]

Well they are the same people who believe their magical story is better than all the other magical stories 😂

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

Yes definitely. Also, theists who are overly polite and flattering to start with also from what I have seen usually expect a pulpit. Heck, even with the agnostics and atheists it often takes a quick turn.

[@gregoryh9442]

Also when they bring up a previous time they called and spoke to a different host

[@ToHoldNothing]

Heck, when they start with the attempt to seem amiable, it often seems to just be a way to endear oneself before you exert dominance to be "alpha" or whatever nonsense is parroted by the manosphere and patriarchal influencers like Andrew Tate

[@martin2289]

How anyone could say Christianity best explains the reality we experience is just willfully delusional.

[@cy-one]

I love how something that has no explanatory power (*How* did God create anything? That's never explained. Just the claim *that* he did it.) is posited as "the best explanation."

[@nakedgaming12]

There are many good reasons as to why Christianity is the truth. One of them is the historical accuracy of the gospels.

[@EmilyKveldulv]

@@nakedgaming12 sorry buddy but that's a good argument AGAINST it being the truth. Its NOT accurate.

[@WizardImp]

I certainly don't find it especially plausible.

[@Sleve-McDichael]

​@@nakedgaming12saying that on this channel, you've GOT to be trolling!

[@rrodriguez4277]

Thanks for protecting trans people

[@NukaNikki]

TRANARCHY!!!❤❤

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

❤❤❤

[@Jcs57]

Thanks for defending humanity you guys are the real pro lifers.

[@michaelmay5453]

When I was a soldier, a long time ago, or a Captain a long time ago, leader of a platoon of recon airborne rangers I was the hardarse you would expect from such a man. Even then it didn't occur to me that anyone should ever be discriminated about or be oppressed based on things they did that didn't hurt anyone else. In fact, we were fighting for that freedom. Trans, gay, different colour of their skin than me, I might be a bit older but believe you me, I'll hold the line. I learned, a while ago, that I can call myself an ally and that I can help so that is what I do these days. I'm a 7'1 powerbuilder that knows every tactic as a response and as such, my knowledge is put to good use these days and if anyone disagrees I'll demonstrate the art of lifting a grown man like an infant. It's completely non-violent but it makes a point, I am the epitome of their argument and I stand with good people, trans or gay or whatever doesn't matter.

[@michaelmay5453]

@@NukaNikki Anarchy is cute for silly people but at some point you have to realise that it doesn't work. What does work is a society where we work together to allow everyone all rights and all freedoms that are not detrimental. I am your ally, I will stand up for you but that you are trans is irrelevant to me when it comes to that except that you need me to do so even more, so I do.

[@MrYTGuy1]

matt: i don't think you can be absolutely certain about anything caller: well i 100 percent agree with you on that me: lol

[@samhhaincat2703]

Matt's "I KNEW IT! and clapping" moment is one of my favourites ever.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

"Something can't come from nothing, so it just makes sense that my specific imaginary friend from my specific mythology created literally everything from nothing. Also he created himself. Checkmate, atheists."

[@derekardito2032]

There was never nothing till the giant chicken shat it out proving that the egg came after the chicken , but that the chicken can have only come from am egg, makes perfect sense to me, but then I'm a chickenist by indoctrination lol

[@HisZotness]

"For my next trick..."

[@John-nv5zy]

"There was nothing, it farted and magically everything came into existence. Checkmate, theists"

[@scottmoore7588]

@@John-nv5zy That would actually make more sense as an explanation, since we know farts are a real thing. Your god is less evidently real than farts. Let that sink in.

[@RB-zh1eq]

I can’t see how something can come from nothing. Therefore it was a guy. I just don’t get how people can think this

[@perkeyser2032]

"When They Can't Win an Argument They Bring Up Trans Issues". The cosmetological argument. :)

[@nosuchthing8]

Brilliant!!!

[@BlessYourHeart254]

Well played!

[@subductionzone]

I have to credit Matt and Forrest as being the two that educated me about the trans issue. I knew almost nothing about it and had the unfortunate reaction of "different equals wrong" when I first heard of it. Once one realizes that it is a natural variation in the spectrum of life and one cannot "catch it" I could control my reactions that came from a lifetime of prejudice. Keep up the good work. By the way, it is rather easy to refute claims of being "woke", when you look into the details being woke only means to do the right thing. I do not know of any "woke" activity that is not an example of that.

[@5-Volt]

Eh.. some people use "woke" to mean progressive extremism which can definitely be the opposite of "the right thing". Some trans rights actively conflict with women's rights. Progressive extremism demonizes white people. Affirmative action & intersectionality can be seen as ironically racist. Any kind of extremism can be bad.

[@lisalawwill4843]

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[@Julian0101]

The thing is that 'woke' is just a buzzword for people thinking different to other people (very common tactic in political discourse). It doesnt even have to be right or wrong, so whoever accepts at face value that label is just playing in their game.

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

I am a “ transgender “ Thank you for defending us . ❤😊

[@taffyjones1642]

It's good he defend trans, as he should. What is sad is he attacked a guy simply for being transphobic.

[@Starhawke_Gaming]

​@@taffyjones1642- would you say the attack was undeserved? If the caller expressed bigotry against any other minority group, would you still bemoan Matt for attacking them "just because they are a bigot"?

[@Wh40kFinatic]

@@taffyjones1642 "The problem wasn't the outright bigotry, it was the people calling them out for being bigots!" That's how utterly ridiculous you sound.

[@paulmatters2641]

@@taffyjones1642 There is a tear in my beer for bigots being called out. Grow up

[@peachypet808]

​@@taffyjones1642So you hold the opinion that we should tolerate intolerance? Nice. You are siding with some very unsavoury people. The paradox of intolerance is something that must have gone far over your head, girliepop

[@marct9942]

As Matt says for the last 20 yrs... Because for the last 20 yrs, every argument a theist has used is distilled down to; I believe therefore you must believe

[@toshikotanaka3249]

Every argument for the existence of a God is, by it's very nature, a fallacious argument. Every single one.

[@timr8431]

I guess theists and transformer activists are the same in that regard.

[@regularfern]

@@timr8431Wah Wah Wah. Trans people. Wahhhh

[@Julian0101]

​@@timr8431 Indeed, terfs cant help but use the same fallacious reasoning for their ideas.

[@LilyJones-mu2cy]

​@@timr8431trans people are stating something about themselves not about the universe. I think they can be trusted to know how they feel in themselves

[@trunphin]

When will they realize the burden of proof is on them. You dont have to prove something didnt happen, they need to prove it did.

[@nosuchthing8]

If they understood basic logic the chance of being a deist would be low

[@doctorwebman]

Shout out to the guitar god, Jimi Hendrix, whose most sacred and holy image is posted behind Wil, and another shout out to Matt Dillahunty and Wil Jeudy, true gods of the music that is reason.

[@tonydarcy1606]

There again, I have witnessed "Eric Clapton is God" painted under a London railway bridge on the brick wall. Surely true scripture ?

[@theboombody]

Comparing the statement "magic isn't real" to reason is like comparing the alphabet to Bob Dylan lyrics. EXTREMELY elementary example of it. And that's mostly what Matt does.

[@Hingusbingus4]

​@@theboombodythen drop your world shattering evidence lil guy

[@22GreenForever-n7x]

@@Hingusbingus4 "lil guy"- This is a coping mechanism for you; priceless... Do you work in an office with the other women?

[@theboombody]

@@Hingusbingus4 No one's saying the statement is incorrect. It's just not wise or intelligent in any way.

[@allendesomer]

The God hypothesis makes the most sense to those who can't grasp how awe-inspiring the cosmos is. The view that consciousness is an emergent property of a physical brain is beyond beautiful!! Theists don't embrace the wonder of it all!!!

[@denverarnold6210]

They just can't take the W that a fluke of chemistry and physics allowed us the ability to reason. No, they gotta be SpEcIaL and best buddy with king of everything, or it's all nihilistic and worthless. Such a sad view of life...

[@goldminer5761]

@@denverarnold6210 A " fluke " of chemisty & physics???? Hahaha thats f**king hilarious ! Which "fluke" did you have in mind? And how exactly did this "fluke" happen in chemistry & physics ( you forgot biology! ) 🤣🤣🤣 You atheists are a laugh a minute.

[@denverarnold6210]

@@goldminer5761 the fact we're here, and you can't demonstrate magic.

[@jful]

​@@goldminer5761it's more plausible that my grandma time travelled to create the universe than God did it because at least I can prove she exists.

[@goldminer5761]

@@jful That would make your grandma God!So you do believe in God !🤣 Atheists .. laugh a minute

[@ericafoster4368]

Thanks for standing up for us trans people!! It's very appreciated.

[@NocnaDusza]

I agree. It makes my heart warm when I hear people stand up for us!

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

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[@aemiliadelroba4022]

@@NocnaDusza ❤❤❤

[@yungsneed8449]

you will never be a woman

[@tonybabb3525]

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[@broadcastbard]

I have a general rule of thumb regarding the entertainment value of a call; any pronoun shenanigans are a sign of an uncritical thinker with strong convictions.

[@ToHoldNothing]

Including that they have no pronouns? Which is silly in context of how language works: there are many pronouns and everyone generally has some preference, though not always.

[@Imperial-Socialist]

Yes. The vast majority of callers that list none for pronouns are bigots.

[@denverarnold6210]

​@@ToHoldNothingthey're talking about people like this caller, who refuses to give theirs, or those who make things like attack helicopter jokes.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

Conservatives literally have one joke.

[@cy-one]

@@ToHoldNothing Yes. The overwhelming majority of "no pronouns" people in these kinds of shows are "I'm just a normal man, also there are only two genders" kinds of peeps ;)

[@samf7192]

Every mud puddle has a beginning and was created. none of them have a purpose.

[@claudiaxander]

Puddles don't have a purpose!!! Tell that to me aged 5 in my wellington boots, that i wore all year round, just in case i ever came across one of those brilliant playpools of sheer joy! The first time i was told to not ruin my 'normal' shoes , i thought "Right, that aint never happening again!!!"

[@theboombody]

Might as well say the fundamental theorem of calculus has no purpose if you want.

[@damon22441]

@@theboombody I suppose it doesn't; what's calc got to do with dolphins? We give it it's meaning and employ it to a purpose.

[@AquaPeet]

In the sense of "universe beginning", people usually mean 'coming into existence'. The mud puddle did not come into existence because the materials for the mud puddle were already there and were just rearranged into a form that we named a mud puddle.

[@claudiaxander]

Oh but they do have a purpose! Splash splash splash= Joy! (me aged 5)

[@DrownedInExile]

Matt laughing at the caller bring up transgenderism is priceless!

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

This conversation pretty much sums up the last twenty years of calls.

[@clarissanavarro2762]

As a trans woman, I am really getting tired of being the whipping post of these people that cannot marshal their arguments. It's Like.... they think more about me being Transgender, than I do. I go about my day just woman-ing. It rarely comes up in conversation, then again maybe I am spoiled since I live in NYC. A place with sane policies about Transgender people. All I want to do is go about my day and just do me. Why do these ideologues feel they have to keep pointing at me and disparage? It reminds me of what Michael Moore once told a conservative that was against Gay Marriage. " If you are against Gay Marriage, then don't get gay married." If these ideologues are against Transgender Affirming Health Care, then they should just ...NOT get Transgender Affirming Health Care. But what do they gain by denying it to those of us that need it? This is like saying..." Gee, I am Not a diabetic, and therefore I do not need to inject insulin, I am gonna vote to deny insulin for Diabetics." If that were suggested to them they would say " That would be cruel and Inhumane." But these same people have zero problem with denying me the same empathy and humanity. When it is pointed out to them, they simply either do not know what to say, or revert to " That's different. This is evil, because the 2,000 year old book, I cannot read in it's original languages that was a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation, that is mostly a history book about a particular group of Desert people and their poetry says so.... according to my pastor or priest, who has not studied Biology or Sociology." If their child were denied healthcare and then that reason was given for why their child cannot receive life saving treatment they would scream bloody murder. But again... "That's different." It's lack of empathy on their parts... Otherwise phrased..." That is not a problem until it is my problem." Trans Rights are Human Rights

[@neuroriot]

Trans rights are human rights. Trans people belong 💖

[@monicadaniels784]

Love your comment!

[@catalyst3713]

You're not a woman, and nobody has the right to have their delusions affirmed.

[@catalyst3713]

@@clarissanavarro2762 you're not a woman though.

[@sherrix6881]

NYC is a crime ridden shit hole. There’s no such thing as trans rights, just human rights.

[@firmbutton6485]

Something can’t come from nothing, except my sky daddy.

[@nosuchthing8]

I wish I had the nerve to wear a shirt with that slogan

[@firmbutton6485]

@@nosuchthing8 we can in the uk, nobody would have a clue lol

[@TheNihonjin]

24:14 That was that moment Chan should have known he fucked up. Instead, Chan decided to accelerate toward the cliff.

[@IntrovertAncom]

Indeed. He floored it at that point.

[@grahamash62]

Do you mean the Cliffe 😂 because that guy invented this bullshit. 😂😂😂

[@andrewwolf7798]

This was a SEVERE crash course in examining one’s beliefs for the FIRST time.

[@Where_is_Waldo]

"List the possible explanations." *Oh, this is gonna be good.*

[@Noise-Conductor]

But it wasn't.

[@Where_is_Waldo]

@@Noise-Conductor I guess I forgot the eye-roll to indicate sarcasm.

[@22GreenForever-n7x]

Matt getting triggered is pure entertainment....

[@richtraube2241]

Ready for ignorance on parade. 🎉

[@Hingusbingus4]

​@@22GreenForever-n7xbro posts this under every comment he sees

[@Imperial-Socialist]

I found a Jim Castleberry on Facebook, asked if he was the one, and got blocked

[@wyldink1]

Haha. I'd have asked him a question with one of Castleberry's common strawman arguments and see how he responded to that.

[@classybree2241]

😂😂😂

[@Sourmilk69]

That’s funny but on a serious note: let’s not harass theists lol

[@WizardImp]

Ha! Almost enough to make you join Facebook. But not quite.

[@bonbon1315]

the pronouns being none were a big giveaway on Chans views and how much Chan knows about logic, If I was to bet Chan ""'doesn't believe in pronouns"" and claims Chan doesn't have any. Made sure I didn't use any pronouns and only Chan's name, just to respect Chan's choice ofc..

[@HappyHippieGaymer]

Pronouns has become the tell in if the convo is going to be frustrating or productive. Do they pretend they dont have pronouns or whine about pronouns? Then they are probably stupid and its going to hurt to talk to them.

[@davidinsf2680]

"I don't believe in pronouns"... Any other parts of speech you randomly reject? Are you for, or against Gerunds? And why?

[@malcolmdarke5299]

If a person tries to write (or speak) a sentence that involves multiple references to an individual or object without using pronouns, the writing (or speaking) individual will find that the sentence in question ends up being extremely odd, gramatically- and linguistically-speaking. Case in point. Or, to put it another way: Pronouns are an extremely important part of speech and writing, and not using THEM is all but impossible if YOU want concise, easy-to-understand sentences.

[@randomusername3873]

​@@davidinsf2680oh my god, this is the left version of "homophobia is not real because we are not scarse of gay people, we just think they are abominations" How about trying to do better, oh my god

[@84updown]

Or it could just be that he rejects this trend of listing ones pronouns? It's pretty obvious that he's a guy, even in this very video Matt picked up on that just by talking to him. The idea that objecting to this modern convention is representative of someone not knowing anything about logic is just crazy

[@alamunez]

Not surprising a ‘none given’ caller behaves this way.

[@22GreenForever-n7x]

Matt getting triggered is pure entertainment...

[@Rachel_M_]

24:35 Matt made my day with that reaction 😂.... And I was having a bad day. Thanks for turning my day around and standing up for trans people ♥

[@jaydinledford6990]

I just cannot comprehend transphobia at all

[@VannywiththeFanny]

🤷‍♀️ Just hateful people is all. They'll call me delusional while I LITERALLY go to a doctor who agrees with me😅. It's pretty wild tbh lmao

[@XPISigmaArt]

They've been told that being trans is a mental disease and should not be platformed. They're legitimately brainwashed by right wing fear-mongering, to the point where they don't even trust science anymore. Which tends to fit right into their ideology (anti vax, etc)

[@toshikotanaka3249]

@@VannywiththeFanny Having a doctor who agrees with you doesn't strengthen your argument. The med student who barely passed at the bottom of his class, and there are lots of those, is still called Doctor, think about that. They're not all smart and up to date on the latest research. Don't forget that two "Doctors" are facing charges in connection with actor Matthew Perry’s fatal drug overdose last year. They're just people. I'm just saying that if someone tells you "Well, my doctor said...", It's not wrong to say "So what?"

[@loomspace]

Their belief system thrives under feeling threatened by an enemy.

[@myzamau428]

It's not a phobia, people are just fed up with biological males claiming they are women and vice versa.

[@arthurunknown8972]

I'll take whatever admissible evidence you have. You got any? NO. Then, I don't believe. Simple. Why would you believe something without evidence?

[@iainrendle7989]

Many people believe an awful lot without previous knowledge, factual information or evidence.....in a lot of cases it is because they have never bothered to seek the evidence. Example you get on a plane because you believe it will fly, that the right amount of fuel is in the tanks to make the journey and that the pilot knows how to fly the plane......have you personal evidence or knowledge of these being correct and accurate.....the answer is no! To strengthen this.....do planes and birds both fly distances.....do they use the same laws of pyhsics to achieve fight.....would you trust travelling via a bird versus a plane? Again evidence, knowledge and understand is required to determine which one is more congruent....but most people do not have this knowledge so they take the plane because of a belief and not use the bird because they do not believe. So we accept a lot of stuff without actually having any knowledge, facts or evidence and just go by the 'it just is...does' etc and christians use the same ignorance through laziness for their belief in a god. Biggest difference is that the evidence for the plane is available, quantifiable and proveable.....however most people just rely on their belief that all will be ok

[@arthurunknown8972]

@@iainrendle7989 Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

[@jackwhitbread4583]

​@@iainrendle7989no they don't rely on blind belief, they believe in something that's justifiable based on evidence and past events, big difference.

[@MissSpaz]

"Don't we both have a burden of proof?!" I've never laughed so hard

[@gregoryh9442]

Chan, you have to stop at I don’t know. Not I don’t know therefore god.

[@tonybabb3525]

Otherwise known as the "god of the gaps" argument.

[@michellejean11]

Chan is terrible at defending christianity but does reveal the bigoted side. I'm very glad you shut him down.

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@michellejean11 He didn't get the chance to explain his view. Why make a bigot out of him??

[@michellejean11]

@@peteralleyman1945 Conclusion you are also a transphobic bigot or entirely out of contact with maga fundies cultural wars.

[@IntrovertAncom]

@@peteralleyman1945 Chan explained Chan's view loud and clear when Chan disrespected another human being. (edit) Chan did a fine job of making Chan a bigot all on Chan's own.

[@godsire6217]

​@@peteralleyman1945Bigots screamed their hatred loud and clear.

[@heyitsthatdood]

If something says they are the father, son and Holy Spirit…aren’t they technically trans too?

[@evenstoats2639]

Or an old testament incest story with a ghost.

[@duaneelliott5194]

I was just thinking of the song "Three times a lady" lol

[@Reno_Slim]

Substantiated trans.

[@evenstoats2639]

@@heyitsthatdood Or an old testament incest story with a ghost.

[@ToHoldNothing]

They arguably have schizophrenia and/or dissociative identity disorder

[@flawedgenius]

Time isn't a measurement for existence, its a measurement for change.

[@markevans8206]

So a timeless entity cannot do anything as doing anything is a change.

[@ursidae97]

Maybe. What studies have you done of time?

[@DeathTheKid6778]

I love how they (Christians in this case) always attempted to prove they are right by saying something else is wrong. Does not stand up to scrutiny even if they were right.

[@MrDesmondPot]

To say Christianity is the best guide to where humanity is heading is a terrifying thing when you consider they’re an Armageddon death cult.

[@arthurunknown8972]

Everything in the universe has a natural cause. Something caused the universe. The universe had a natural cause.

[@wetfishbits]

Early last century, observations of stars and galaxies were shown to exhibit shift indicating the expansion of space. Decades later, the corresponding background microwave radiation was discovered. No doubt, a working cosmologist could cite lots of other facts that collectively paint a picture of reality that we refer to as the big bang. To speculate about the cause of this with no actual evidence is about as useful as looking at the fluff in your navel. What you're referring to is self-indulgence, not insight.

[@AXKfUN9m]

Great twist on the cosmological argument. It being the CA, it's still obviously bunk (we don't know if the universe has a cause), but this surely sticks it up to those faith-leaping theists.

[@arthurunknown8972]

@@AXKfUN9m Bingo!

[@iainrendle7989]

​​​Do not think you realised he was using the normal flawed premise of the christian argument of Causation or 1st Cause. The premise of the argument is ok and can be justified as an actual argument as the premise does work, however the biggest part of any argument is evidence so as to be able to warrant the argument to be taken as factual and congruent, this is where many arguments fall down.....ie similar reason why scientist spend more time trying to prove themselves wrong than they did getting to conclusion/solution/output

[@d_camara]

More so, the universe isn't 'a thing in the universe' The singularity also worked under different rule, for example it was so hot the boson field wasn't working? So no bosons and therefore no gravity. The 4 forces were also described as "merged into one" back when everything was that dense and hot. There was also no time before the big bang It's a whole basket of things that mean we can't just count that as a normal event that obviously has to have a cause and shit. Who knows if we can even know how all that works, or if that stuff has a "how" 🤷‍♀️ Cosmological argument falls flat in a million ways by the first premise

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

My former best friend asked me what evidence would convince me. My answer was I don't know, but an omni God would. I suppose it would be similar to what he would consider evidence for Mohammad splitting the moon. Unfortunately, the friend of 30 years decided I was a lost cause. He explained his viewpoint as a farewell.

[@NocnaDusza]

I'd say that if they stopped friendship because they couldn't convert you they weren't your friend at all. You weren't a friend to them, you were a religious project. At least that's how it sounds to me.

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

They were hoping I was going on a religious exploration and would find my answers centered around faith and theology and come back to the fold. It does suck because with any relationship that long there are a lot of memories and connections. I was pretty close to his extended and immediate family, even when I only sent one Christmas card it would be to his family, and would travel to visit them. It certainly is regretable, but maybe time to move on.

[@NocnaDusza]

@@gottfriedosterbach3907 Yeah I does suck when something like this happens.But that's life. I feel you and wish you the best in your journey called life.

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

Thank you that is much appreciated. Also, isn't that so much better than I am praying for you? I thought so. Be well

[@Jcs57]

I would have screwed with him by swearing an allegiance a god unaffiliated with his god.

[@capthavic]

it's like clockwork at this point when they can't make an argument.

[@kw2080]

Why is it wrong to point to an inconsistent logic in Matt’s worldview. You can tell he cannot defend it because he got angry and hung up on the caller. However, many trans people are anti religion and anti family which this channel caters to; there is a commercial reason to hanging up on this caller.

[@22GreenForever-n7x]

Matt getting triggered is pure entertainment...

[@richyrich6099]

​@@kw2080What did he point out anything inconsistent with what Matt said? He couldn't provide any coherent evidence for his deity and transitioned to bashing trans people when the conversation was going nowhere. That says way more about the caller and their lack of integrity.

[@kw2080]

@@richyrich6099 He didn’t bash trans people. The caller doesn’t subscribe to the trans ideology. I do not either. That’s fine. Matt doesn’t believe in a God; so it’s perfectly fine to not believe in trans ideology either. People are free to have opinions. I do not believe there is adequate biological evidence that being trans is not a choice.

[@richyrich6099]

@@kw2080 He went out of his way to dead-name the trans person in question. Whether or not he subscribes to the "trans ideology," It's still not hard to have basic human decency and respect. You can disagree entirely with someone's lifestyle and still have the grace to use their preferred names and pronouns. And he did this after Matt completely dismantled him on an entirely different topic altogether. It was clearly a childish reaction and a complete goalpost that shouldn't have even been done in the first place, but it was done with zero consideration or respect towards the person being dead-named.

[@soulbeatzmajor]

Education over indoctrination. And that’s all I have to say about that

[@maybe_dont_tho]

so much appreciation for the panelists answering calls - I feel like my brain did somersaults when Matt asks the caller what evidence they have that their belief is correct and the caller responds "it's not one thing, it's a whole big picture" but then is fully unable to elaborate on any aspect of that "big picture". Y'all, thank you for respecting people's names and pronouns and shutting down the transphobic crap at the end of the call. Thank you for continuing to be open to callers' topics and holding them accountable for what they say.

[@ahuman5150]

He perfectly exemplifies the folly of the human mind, the reluctance to accept there are some things we just do not know and may very well never know.

[@theaussietripper]

Ohhh that was just sheer poetry! Thanks AGAIN Matt! 👏👏👏

[@theredeemeriam]

So you're thanking him for lying to you?

[@theaussietripper]

@@theredeemeriam if you'd explain, I MIGHT respond!

[@theredeemeriam]

@@theaussietripper Afterall he is teaching people there is no God when there is. So yes, if you believe his point of view, you have been suckered as have all atheists.

[@Jcs57]

I would of loved to hear his thoughts on Eve being a clone created from male DNA material transitioned to produce a female clone of Adam.

[@mrgaminduck5544]

Remind me never to piss Matt off. Man does NOT take shit from assholes

[@nosuchthing8]

His weakness is his intellect.

[@fyimediaworld]

This conversation, as with many, surpassed the callers level of functional comprehension. At that point, the pigeon strutted around the board knocking down the pieces.

[@rrodriguez4277]

Matt is very good, but I want to hear more from the new host. Nice poster Will :3

[@littlefurrow2437]

Jimi!

[@dougdickson8128]

“Purple haze all in my brain” That’s the feeling I get after listening to theist callers.

[@theredeemeriam]

​@@dougdickson8128 That's the devil blowing smoke in your face.

[@emoryogglethorp8180]

​@@theredeemeriamman I feel really bad for you, because if you ever figure out how childish you sound you're going to be really embarrassed over the years of your life you wasted sounding like a literal toddler believing in literal fairy tales LOL

[@rrodriguez4277]

​@@littlefurrow2437ye :3

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

The “ Big Bang cosmology “ is not about the origin of the universe but rather the expansion of our universe. I thought this was obvious 😊 I studied astrophysics.

[@ToHoldNothing]

Cosmology is distinct from cosmogony, though I think most people forget that unless they specialize in metaphysics and the like as a scholar

[@nosuchthing8]

I never studied just read about it from experts like hawking, Greene, and thought it's obvious too

[@mandih1114]

I bet you he is maga 😞

[@Prismatic3127]

Wil in the corner watching Matt completely obliterate a random caller:

[@catbutler1343]

Wil provided more truth with his expressions than that caller did running his mouth.

[@solomonverrico]

As to that first bit, it seems to me the whole insistence by religion that you HAVE to believe RIGHT NOW, he's having a hard time getting out of that trap. Once you can shake that off and realize you don't actually have to commit to anything, it's a lot easier to get to the "philosophically honest" position of "I don't know" and leave it there until such time as that changes, if it ever does.

[@Soylent1981]

Instead of worrying about the strength of their evidence before they present it, theists should just present their evidence and then make their case for why their evidence is sufficient.

[@Say_What-dude]

My game is self-deception. My name is religion.

[@felttip4431]

He says that one of the big questions is "what is wrong with the world and how do we fix it". What an incredibly flawed starting point.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

It's always amusing how these really bad, morally bankrupt callers ALWAYS love to comment on 'the previous caller' and try to say how ridiculous they are. "That's wasn't my intention [to deadname]" Bull. Fucking. Shit.

[@toshikotanaka3249]

Since I'm lousy at reading minds and knowing exactly what a person is thinking and therefore what they really mean or intended to say, I tend to take people at their word. It's easier that way.

[@nosuchthing8]

Why do you think the caller is morally bankrupt? He's wrong, but he might be moral.

[@Wh40kFinatic]

@@nosuchthing8 They are definitely transphobic.

[@thedaemonator3244]

"if atheism is true" - Chan, atheism is a lack of belief in a god, it's not a true or false statement.

[@xinyyc]

If Chan believes that calling in and sounding like an unschooled yokel for 20 minutes would convince anyone, then God DEFINITELY doesn't exist, or he exists but doesn't want anyone to believe that he does.

[@derinderruheliegt]

You know, honestly it didn’t start off too horribly…but boy oh boy did it take a nose dive!

[@ericbrown3881]

Thanks for doing that at the end, Matt. You consistently demonstrate that you're a loving person.

[@peteralleyman1945]

@@ericbrown3881 Fucking a trans not even half your age, isn't necessarily love, is it?

[@hdub8093]

It always amazes me all these theists' confidence in their ignorance

[@robhaskins]

Wil is great!

[@tylerrichlen3286]

The take down at the end was amazing.

[@WayWalker3]

I think I need to take something very, very strong and go to sleep for a week, after that load of head-wrecking and ultimately pointless noodle-knitting from Chan.

[@TheJadeyCat]

Thank you for defending trans people!

[@catalyst3713]

Matt is a truthphobe.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@catalyst3713 Grow up!

[@Where_is_Waldo]

Wil didn't say a lot but his facial expressions did.

[@Where_is_Waldo]

@@antediluvianatheist5262 I would assume.

[@FreyjaAustralis]

Thank you for censoring out a dead name. I appreciate that respect!

[@taffyjones1642]

Beep but immediately called the name afterward. It seems termites start eating Matt's brain since he start dating a dude in dress 😢😢

[@Wiggimus]

​@@taffyjones1642 But he didn't? His partner is a woman, so...

[@padraigther0b0t]

@@taffyjones1642Matt isn’t gay

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

I think his brain still has a ways to catch you. Maybe it will in time for Halloween so you can do the Thriller dance together.

[@jimbob3030]

@@Wiggimus His partner is a trans woman, so these people think that means she is a man in a dress. They simply don't understand the subject at all.

[@tarantulacake3561]

So in this caller's mind, a being that transcends space and time and has never been demonstrated to exist is more believable than the mere existence of a trans person?

[@IT_217]

First time I've heard a Christian question whether "God really cares if we believe in Him or not". As I understood it that was very much a thing He was supposed to care about a great deal, more so than anything else, with the whole claim that He wants a personal relationship and that salvation can only come through belief in Him, that being a good person doesn't matter if it doesn't come with belief and worship.

[@ToHoldNothing]

A god being outside space and time would seem to be contradictory, so kind of undermines the metaphysical and epistemic possibility anyway

[@nosuchthing8]

Nope. Think a computer sim and an architect.

[@jillum89]

“I have played the trumpet for 0 seconds.” “Okay.” “So I jut haven’t played the trumpet.” “How?!? That makes no sense!!”

[@0Fyrebrand0]

I would love to know how long God was around for before he decided to create time. It sure must have been difficult to get anything done back then. You know, back in the time before there was time.

[@AXKfUN9m]

I have a great relationship with my wife. She doesn't talk back to me, but I know she loves me because the other day I saw her face on a piece of toast. ❤❤❤

[@discontinuedmodel232]

Small world! I'm waiting to see my wife's face on an episode of Cold Case Files! 🥰

[@PreviouslyDelicious]

Why does Matt bother with co-hosts if he doesn't let them speak?

[@BlessYourHeart254]

“Right now you’re doing an embarrassingly bad job and I’m not sure god wants you to continue,” Matt wins the internet today 😂

[@KageJW]

Why doesn't God ever want to make a case for God? 🤔

[@theredeemeriam]

This is why he sends the Son in order to break you free from the lies you have been told all your life.

[@KageJW]

@theredeemeriam because he can't be bothered to just make his case himself? Plus where us this son? Why can't this son ever make a case for himself? Why is it always random people in the comment section instead of this god or his son? Pushing the buck one step further to someone else who never shows up and makes the case for themselves doesn't solve anything.

[@theredeemeriam]

@@KageJW Such pessimism. How do you know he is not coming or for that matter he may already be here. You don't know, so why look at the cup as being half empty. For all you know I could be him coming to find all my lost sheep. Let's pretend I am. What questions do you need answered?

[@Oskyosky2009]

@@theredeemeriamthat’s padded wall level thinking

[@theredeemeriam]

@@Oskyosky2009 Another confused lost soul has entered the chat. Don't worry the truth will present itself soon enough.

[@torgeirmolaug196]

22:01 "I believe God communicates through his words yes." "How do you know that's his words?" "Well, I think there's, there's, um, there's, there's, there's transcriptional evidence for that, um."

[@davidwalters9462]

HENDRIX!!! Best guitarist ever. Saw him at the Filmore East.

[@wendellkelsey356]

Jimi Hendrix poster wins the day.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

“I don’t know” is a perfectly acceptable answer for how or why the universe began. Why do people need the prime mover? If there is one, that entity had to be created, so …

[@rebelrouzer5318]

Ah yes the biggest of questions indeed; Where did we come from? where are we going? Why is captain Kirk climbing a mountain?

[@waukivorycopse2402]

That depends, is Kirk's shirt torn or not?

[@rebelrouzer5318]

@@waukivorycopse2402 it wasnt torn

[@AllenAnderson-b6t]

He was trying to get to the top.

[@AllenAnderson-b6t]

​@@rebelrouzer5318he was trying to get to the top.

[@jimbob3030]

@@AllenAnderson-b6t If Kirk is climbing a mountain it means there was a beautiful woman up there, unless his shirt was torn and then it means he's in a fight scene.

[@phillipzx3754]

I can't understand why two dudes would want to sleep with each other, but I defend their right to do so. If something can't come from nothing, where did his "God" come from? As for certainty... I am 100% certain an airplane will fly or it won't. 🙂 "I'm not following you, Matt?" That's because Matt has painted you into a corner. 🙂 Typical caller..."If, If, if, if."

[@John-nv5zy]

What if those two dudes are brothers? Are you ok with that?

[@HappyHippieGaymer]

You understand perfectly why two dudes want to sleep with each other bro lol. For the EXACT same reason a dude and a chick want to sleep with each other. Give yourself more credit.

[@phillipzx3754]

@@John-nv5zy I'd think it weird as hell, but whatever floats their boat.

[@phillipzx3754]

@@HappyHippieGaymer "For the EXACT same reason a dude and a chick want to sleep with each other. " Just because the reason might be the same (attraction, I'll assume) doesn't mean I have to understand it. At best I'll accept that THEY have their reasons and that I have no business interfering with them. I'm also assuming consensual adults. 🙂

[@tcjdv]

Honestly, I don’t think you don’t understand. I think you just can’t imagine wanting that for yourself, which is totally fine but it isn’t the same thing. If you understand attraction at all, you understand gay attraction. Gay men want to sleep with each other for the same reasons you want to sleep with whomever you want to sleep with. Attraction, arousal, desire, affection, love - these things all feel the same no matter your sexual orientation.

[@paolopedro5728]

What are the other options ? One option is that you don’t understand how to reason

[@jeffc5974]

Matt proved in this debate that his sister is god.

[@green_firefly]

Chan is wrong. Not every religion is asking the question where we come from. Buddha is quite clear that asking this question is rather useless to the problem of suffering, since you'd probably never figure it out. Which means it's a huge waste of time.

[@hplovehandle]

These are the callers that have made Matt the angry, concise man he is today.

[@HuxtableK]

I love that question. What kind of evidence would you accept? Well, what kind of evidence do you THINK you have? Give what you have.

[@martinb2213]

I love how thiest can not make sense of a universe existing without a cause ie god but are happy with god just existing without a cause

[@danalinchristania5163]

I love matt's reaction at the end ❤ Thank you matt! That was awesome ❤

[@Snailman3516]

Gender is a human invention just like math. Just because math is a human concept doesn't mean that it can't help us understand the universe. Gender, as it is understood today, is the most helpful version of the concept we have come up with. Just like how thousands of years ago we didn't have a concept of zero, we also didn't have language to describe trans people. We invented zero, and the world became easier to understand. We invented transness as a description for how some people behave and as a way to identify, and the world became easier to understand.

[@ernesthastie-gg7kn]

His dog is tired of listening to him

[@glenriley3769]

I'm going to sound a bit dumb, can someone tell me what dead naming is, as I've not heard that term before.

[@puckerings]

It's using the name that a trans person used before they transitioned.

[@sergei_mikhailovich]

Using a Trans person's former name, it's very disrespectful and invalidating for a Trans person.

[@amyturpen4726]

It is the insistence of using a name someone has chosen to give up for another name. It is not, necessarily limited to trans people, although that is primarily how it is used. If my parents named me Jennifer at birth and I later ask to be called Kelly, and you insist I am and always must be known as Jennifer, you are dead naming me. Same as for a trans person who has given up their birth name & wants to be known by something else. Does that make sense to you?

[@glenriley3769]

@@sergei_mikhailovich Thank you for the information.

[@glenriley3769]

@@puckerings Thank you for letting me know what it means.

[@MegaLoucon]

I have also noticed that when my work colleagues talk about politics, it mostly ends with LGBT being the reason they don't support the left. And if I hear any of them say they support trump, I go Destiny on them.

[@AllenAnderson-b6t]

Hows that working out?

[@MegaLoucon]

@@AllenAnderson-b6t I get mostly silence and blank stares because they don't actually know the things he's done. But it normally ends with them just being anti LGBT.

[@AllenAnderson-b6t]

@@MegaLoucon it keeps deleting my answer

[@yungsneed8449]

the whole world is laughing at you buddy lol

[@HappyHippieGaymer]

@@yungsneed8449to be fair the whole world has laughed at the trump cult from the beginning. To this day his cultists believe he is respected around the globe when the number of world leaders that like or even slightly respect him can be counted on one hand.

[@heidihaw8119]

“Do you really think that god cares if we believe in him or not?” I don’t know. Doesn’t your god think I deserve to be tortured for eternity for not believing in him?

[@jesperjee]

It's almost painful to listen to these callers when they try to figure something out. It is not that hard for the rest of us.

[@sarah_757]

Thank you for defending trans folk 🏳‍⚧

[@chriswesley594]

I've watched the trans debate for some time. Matt's description of how trans people want to be defined makes perfect sense to me, and I wholeheartedly agree with him on this. But his version is ENTIRELY NOT what I've seen in the very many videos featuring trans people or their advocates. His distinction between "sys women" (AKA "women") and "trans women" is the key. Matt's view uses the newly-invented term in the way it was intended. No problem. The whole "What is a woman" thing (Kirk et al) is centred on this, and in these debates it's all about the idiocy of redefining ancient words (e.g. "woman") in order to accommodate a trans person's self-image. I think this is where the majority of the woke backlash is coming from. Compelling people to use English incorrectly is bizarre and Peterson was heroically right in refusing to do so on pain of dismissal and worse. All people, unless their anticosial conduct disqualifies them, should be treated with kindness and respect (heh - pretty strange to say, given Matt's casual use of "shut you f*cking pie hole!"). Especially so, are those of us who live with conditions predisposing them to many years of unusual mental or physical pain, social outcasting and so on. But commanding everyone around a trans person to mis-use English is a step too far down a slippery slope, as is the notion that someone can think themselves into whatever they want. Words have meaning, biology is a real thing. Use their preferred name, of course. Matt's distinctions are crystal clear and entirely reasonable. "X is not a sys woman, but they are a trans woman". With that clearly understood, we can get on with the business of befriending all people with friendship and respect. Am I the only person who's been following this debate and yet has NEVER seen this distinction made clearly before?

[@wadehathawaymusic]

Since you put this in the context of grammer, which I think would be considered a straw man, I will point you back to grammer. Adjectives do not alter the essential nature of the noun they modify. They provide clarification when such clarification is needed to differentiate aspects of the noun in a specific context. You appear to be fine with using 'cis woman' and 'trans woman', but you fail to understand there are contexts when the distinction is irrelevant. This leaves us to determine whether the adjectives still being used are superfluous (e.g. 'hot steam') or being used as a dogwhistle (e.g. 'criminal rapist').

[@jawamedia1529]

Since the term "woman" is socially defined, it's open to interpretation and being redefined. Trans women are a different type of woman the same way that black women are a different type of women, but they are both women. The idea that using the term "woman" for trans women is a slippery slope is not only a logical fallacy, but is absurd. Not only that, but framing Jordan Peterson as being brave for not respecting Elliot Page's pronouns because it's not "correct grammar" shows that you dont actually follow the trans debates and trans issues as much as you think you do. Peterson is a transphobe. Hes not standing up for women or trying to protect them. He just doesnt like trans people

[@Batgirl219]

In response to your last question, no you're not the only ignorant lying bigot who claims to have been following this "debate" but then can't spell cis. Edit: And Peterson got famous by lying about the effects of trans inclusive legislation. No one was ever in danger of being arrested for misgendering and every story bigots claim is a case of someone being arrested for misgendering, when you actually look into it they were arrested for harassment, abuse, or assault.

[@myzamau428]

​@@jawamedia1529Women are adult human females. Female is not a social construct, it's a biological fact.

[@Julian0101]

@@myzamau428 So you literally believe men (non adult female) become women (adult female) Either that or you believe in more than one gender. Which still would mean you believe people can change gender anyway.

[@christianmartinez76845]

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[@halwasserman7905]

I was never good at science myself but I don't go around saying the big bang or any other scientific theory or process doesn't make sense. So all these folks who opine about things they typically do not understand is very frustrating to me.

[@bryanmack5410]

Hey everyone - Matt’s bigass Santa beard…keep or cut? I say cut.

[@ToHoldNothing]

Why is that tactic about "What evidence would convince you" bandied about so much? And have people called out the gaslighting that comes via the follow up, that somehow you can't trust any evidence in regards to God and thus cannot trust yourself?

[@briannelson27]

It is a common tactic theists use because....they lack imagination. so they have to ask what you want, then that gives them a jumping off point. It gives them an in road to use words instead of evidence.

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@briannelson27 Rhetorical trick ala presuppositional apologetics

[@randomusername3873]

Because it's a common way they use to walk around the subject instead of providing the evidence

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@randomusername3873 Very much a deflection tactic, practically just gaslighting with a new coat of paint

[@Dire_Pants]

"Do you think God cares if you believe in him?" Uh. According to the Bible, he's actually very insecure about people believing in him.

[@nosuchthing8]

That's one particular bible about one deity.